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Anonymous Coward User ID: 13578021 United States 05/08/2012 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand what the author is getting at. Heat acts pretty weird in a vacuum but... you can see sun destined comets and asteroids evaporate / ignite before they reach the corona. The only force in the universe that I know to cause things ignite is heat... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1471236 Canada 05/08/2012 09:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand what the author is getting at. Heat acts pretty weird in a vacuum Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13578021 but... you can see sun destined comets and asteroids evaporate / ignite before they reach the corona. The only force in the universe that I know to cause things ignite is heat... I don't think you do if you say such silly things. Heat does not ignite things. Heat is a conversion of energy. It is a result of the interaction of an energy source with another energy source. energy is neither created nor destroyed, only converted. |
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User ID: 2285530 Netherlands 05/08/2012 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can take the information or leave it. If you choose to leave it, then leave it. No need for the fuss. Quoting: DivineTruth Honestly, if you say something so stupid, then expect people to ignore it, after it's pinned, you're extremely naive. We have sent two probes to Mercury, and guess what, searing hot temperatures. How do we know? We measured them. So... aside from a ridiculous new age blog, have you any proof that the temperature of Mercury was hoaxed back in 1973? dude, he's talking about the sun, not mercury. Yes, mercury is warm/hot Fill a room with hydrogen and set light to it. Then come back and tell us it's cold. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 475310 If you fill a room with just hydrogen and light it.... NOTHING will happen. It will NOT light. Stand outside with the sun shining...It's hot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1211208 Stand outside at night...it's not.. That's true. what's yer point. That's not the sun. I find it hard to disagree with this information, its all laid out in perfectly easy to understand logic. Naysayers - Have at it, and goooood luck! Quoting: DivineTruth [link to www.luisprada.com] See the following response about the temperature of the space at: [link to imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov] . Here is the text from that website: "The Question: All I wanted to ask you is that if we put a thermometer in Space with no other light or heat source around and absolutely no background radiation there, what would it read? Would the temperature be really cold or what? "The Answer: "Yes, it would be really cold. Temperature measures the energy per "degree of freedom" (i.e., way something can move) of whatever molecules happen to be around. So, it becomes so cold that the molecules stop all together, then this is the "absolute zero" temperature. On the Celsius Temperature Scale (i.e., water freezes at 0, and boils at 100) this takes place at -273 o C. "We usually use the Kelvin temperature scale, where Zero Kelvin is this "absolute zero" temperature -- or -273 o C. Water freezes at +273 o Kelvin and water boils at +373 o Kelvin. "If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time. Once it cooled off, it would read 2.7 o Kelvin. This is because of the "3 degree microwave background radiation." No matter where you go, you cannot escape it -- it is always there." Answer by Jonathan Keohane for Ask a High-Energy Astronomer. Is this the Jonathan Keohane you are talking about? [link to www.hsc.edu] IF that is your astronomer I have to say I'd like a second opinion. BTW, your assumption that a thermometer would not react in space is incorrect. The radiation given off by the sun interacts with the mass of the thermometer, giving off heat. That is what light and heat are, different types of the same energy. Light doesn't feel hot until it smacks into an object. Here's another slam-dunk. Space is not a perfect vacuum. Light and Heat are NOT different types of the same energy other than they are types of energy, but not the same. Reading comprehension is a requirement for intelligent discussion. You fail. Example was what the temp would be without any interaction of the sun or other sources of energy. Light doesn't feel hot, until it hits you and is converted into heat. Light is not hot, it's light. well,if the sun is indeed "cold",from where do you suppose our planet receives heat and light?this is such a fundamental argument one doesnt need to bring out details.this is absolute Quoting: buck2shot we receive heat and light from radiation. I'm not sure I agree but some of the dumb responses are dumb. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11412579 Their logic would be a microwave has to be hot!!! or that microwaves are hot. If a brick shoots by the sun it burns up, we all have seen this! Al farytales about a cold sun can be put in the refrigerator! i have NEVER seen a brick shoot by the sun and burn up. WOW, you people are all really really really dumb. That you cannot even read the article and comprehend simple things and then the 'arguements' you give are ridiculous. I haven't finished reading the article, but will later, but it initially makes sense. Although it may be the author is splitting hairs. The actual temperature of the sun seems to me it may be very cold, but the closer you get to the sun the radiation it emits creates a higher and higher interaction that when it impacts something converts that radiation to a higher and higher temperature. First to comprehend this you need to be as Ill as OP. Second here is your brick. That I still try to reply is to retarded for my ass. This whole thread is: You are your own Guru! |
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User ID: 15715750 Brazil 05/08/2012 09:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Soooo all the heat we feel, warming our bodies in the Summer, is a witchcraft??? I fucking knew it!!!!! Quoting: UndercoverAlien Electromagnetic field should be an option. Pal if the amount of heat we feel next to the Equator was "EM field", we would be fucking fried like a bag of popcorn and nor a SINGLE electronic equipment would EVER work. Ok, now I'm done with this thread. Waaay too much stupidity. "Do or do not. There is no try." (Yoda) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1471236 Canada 05/08/2012 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've seen some nonsense posted in here before...this takes the biscuit by miles...is it 1st April ? Quoting: ScepticalSam true dat. the responses by people trying to refute it are so amazingly simple and nonsensical. heat lights things? I am warm from the sun, therefore the sun is warm? The sun looks like flames, so it is hot? very silly |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13578021 United States 05/08/2012 09:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand what the author is getting at. Heat acts pretty weird in a vacuum Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13578021 but... you can see sun destined comets and asteroids evaporate / ignite before they reach the corona. The only force in the universe that I know to cause things ignite is heat... I don't think you do if you say such silly things. Heat does not ignite things. Heat is a conversion of energy. It is a result of the interaction of an energy source with another energy source. energy is neither created nor destroyed, only converted. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1471236 Canada 05/08/2012 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand what the author is getting at. Heat acts pretty weird in a vacuum Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13578021 but... you can see sun destined comets and asteroids evaporate / ignite before they reach the corona. The only force in the universe that I know to cause things ignite is heat... I don't think you do if you say such silly things. Heat does not ignite things. Heat is a conversion of energy. It is a result of the interaction of an energy source with another energy source. energy is neither created nor destroyed, only converted. ok, rub your hands together. Do they get warm? Are you generating heat? Heat is the conversion of energy. You use energy stored in your muscles, you rub your hands, and convert the energy to kinetic energy. the kinetic energy transfers to the the surface of the hands by friction and then it is transferred to heat. If you rub your hands ( or sticks ) fast enough, they will light on fire. This is not HEAT starting the fire, but kinetic energy. Lightning starts fires, not heat. Radiation starts fires, not heat. Kinetic energy starts fires, not heat. Chemical energy starts fires, not heat. You can start a fire will ALL types of energy, just not heat. Heat is a byproduct, of the fire, it is a result of the reaction. Heat does not start fires. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15257500 Netherlands 05/08/2012 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it hard to disagree with this information, its all laid out in perfectly easy to understand logic. Naysayers - Have at it, and goooood luck! Quoting: DivineTruth [link to www.luisprada.com] See the following response about the temperature of the space at: [link to imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov] . Here is the text from that website: "The Question: All I wanted to ask you is that if we put a thermometer in Space with no other light or heat source around and absolutely no background radiation there, what would it read? Would the temperature be really cold or what? "The Answer: "Yes, it would be really cold. Temperature measures the energy per "degree of freedom" (i.e., way something can move) of whatever molecules happen to be around. So, it becomes so cold that the molecules stop all together, then this is the "absolute zero" temperature. On the Celsius Temperature Scale (i.e., water freezes at 0, and boils at 100) this takes place at -273 o C. "We usually use the Kelvin temperature scale, where Zero Kelvin is this "absolute zero" temperature -- or -273 o C. Water freezes at +273 o Kelvin and water boils at +373 o Kelvin. "If we put a thermometer in darkest space, with absolutely nothing around, it would first have to cool off. This might take a very very long time. Once it cooled off, it would read 2.7 o Kelvin. This is because of the "3 degree microwave background radiation." No matter where you go, you cannot escape it -- it is always there." Answer by Jonathan Keohane for Ask a High-Energy Astronomer. Jonathan Keohane does not make the claim the temperature of the sun is -273 degrees. That's the dude writing the article Luis E. Prada. Why are you implying in the OP that Jonathan Keohane claimed it? |
Sungaze_At_Dawn
User ID: 1458670 Canada 05/08/2012 10:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, agree. Its also a construct, crystalline, like a mirror, and we're on the other side from home. Like a base, cities. The Light shining forth is not generated by the mirror, but shines from Family on the other side. When you light a candle you are burning off thousands/millions of nano diamonds. Yes where the light comes from is a mystery. Our own cells and pineal emit photons. Our dna. The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1471236 Canada 05/08/2012 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, agree. Its also a construct, crystalline, like a mirror, and we're on the other side from home. Like a base, cities. Quoting: Sungaze_At_Dawn The Light shining forth is not generated by the mirror, but shines from Family on the other side. When you light a candle you are burning off thousands/millions of nano diamonds. Yes where the light comes from is a mystery. Our own cells and pineal emit photons. Our dna. don't make Canadians look stupid. Read the article, post something sensible to refute it or STFU |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13578021 United States 05/08/2012 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I understand what the author is getting at. Heat acts pretty weird in a vacuum Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13578021 but... you can see sun destined comets and asteroids evaporate / ignite before they reach the corona. The only force in the universe that I know to cause things ignite is heat... I don't think you do if you say such silly things. Heat does not ignite things. Heat is a conversion of energy. It is a result of the interaction of an energy source with another energy source. energy is neither created nor destroyed, only converted. ok, rub your hands together. Do they get warm? Are you generating heat? Heat is the conversion of energy. You use energy stored in your muscles, you rub your hands, and convert the energy to kinetic energy. the kinetic energy transfers to the the surface of the hands by friction and then it is transferred to heat. If you rub your hands ( or sticks ) fast enough, they will light on fire. This is not HEAT starting the fire, but kinetic energy. Lightning starts fires, not heat. Radiation starts fires, not heat. Kinetic energy starts fires, not heat. Chemical energy starts fires, not heat. You can start a fire will ALL types of energy, just not heat. Heat is a byproduct, of the fire, it is a result of the reaction. Heat does not start fires. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1471236 Canada 05/08/2012 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no point in even reading this stupid article. If the sun was cold then you would be a frozen block of ice. If the sun is cold than why does it feel so damn hot. Stupid coldsuntard. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8662631 yeah, cause reading might actually cause you to learn sumptin from the article. Read it bitchez Heat and light are effects of the positive rays of the Sun. Heat is felt on the Earth because the Sun's positive rays intersect with its negative atmosphere and crust causing a friction or change in the quality of particle motion given off as heat radiation as a result of this friction. The effect of the Sun's rays on the Earth's atmosphere is also responsible for the phenomenon of visible light that results from a different kind of particle motion. The eyes are sensitive only to positive light rays reflected from negative substance; thus light is an interaction of negative and positive forces. The Sun does not send us heat and light, although it is responsible for its manifestation on Earth; the Sun sends only positive lines of force which interact with the negative crust and atmosphere of the Earth to produce the phenomena of the electromagnetic spectrum, which includes heat and light. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1471236 Canada 05/08/2012 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1471236 I don't think you do if you say such silly things. Heat does not ignite things. Heat is a conversion of energy. It is a result of the interaction of an energy source with another energy source. energy is neither created nor destroyed, only converted. ok, rub your hands together. Do they get warm? Are you generating heat? Heat is the conversion of energy. You use energy stored in your muscles, you rub your hands, and convert the energy to kinetic energy. the kinetic energy transfers to the the surface of the hands by friction and then it is transferred to heat. If you rub your hands ( or sticks ) fast enough, they will light on fire. This is not HEAT starting the fire, but kinetic energy. Lightning starts fires, not heat. Radiation starts fires, not heat. Kinetic energy starts fires, not heat. Chemical energy starts fires, not heat. You can start a fire will ALL types of energy, just not heat. Heat is a byproduct, of the fire, it is a result of the reaction. Heat does not start fires. that is my point. every single one has a BYPRODUCT of heat. Heat does not start the fire, it is the RESULT of the fire. It's very simple. For us on earth, HEAT is pretty much the last in line for energy. It's the thing we cast off. You might say we need heat to get warm, but that's not true. We use heat as a medium to slow the rate of energy transfer between our bodies and the surrounding environment. The colder it is, the more heat our bodies have to produce to keep our cells within a living temperature. Just as paper needs to be at 454 degrees farenheit, our cells need to be at a certain temperature to function correctly. If they get too cold you die. For most interactions heat is a byproduct that gets cast off and eventually out to space. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14392840 United States 05/08/2012 10:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | and light does not travel according to Walter Russell. Read the Universal One. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14899810 [link to www.scribd.com] I think light is a living thing. It reproduces and lets off waste matter. Now off to prove my theories. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15721064 United States 05/08/2012 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It makes sense. After all it is not the heat from the sun that warms the earth but the light from the sun striking the surface of the planet and being changed into heat. Just like its not the heat from the sun that burns your skin but the UV light. My theory is that the sun is hot but the heat doesn't radiate far from it since there is no transfer medium for heat in space to transfer through. Light and other radiation is how the energy escapes the sun. Not through heat. The lack of heat escaping is probably one of the things that keeps the sun from burning out. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13578021 United States 05/08/2012 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13578021 I really don't see the point you are trying to make. Maybe if you named another source of energy that causes things to ignite on fire I'd be more persuaded ok, rub your hands together. Do they get warm? Are you generating heat? Heat is the conversion of energy. You use energy stored in your muscles, you rub your hands, and convert the energy to kinetic energy. the kinetic energy transfers to the the surface of the hands by friction and then it is transferred to heat. If you rub your hands ( or sticks ) fast enough, they will light on fire. This is not HEAT starting the fire, but kinetic energy. Lightning starts fires, not heat. Radiation starts fires, not heat. Kinetic energy starts fires, not heat. Chemical energy starts fires, not heat. You can start a fire will ALL types of energy, just not heat. Heat is a byproduct, of the fire, it is a result of the reaction. Heat does not start fires. that is my point. every single one has a BYPRODUCT of heat. Heat does not start the fire, it is the RESULT of the fire. It's very simple. For us on earth, HEAT is pretty much the last in line for energy. It's the thing we cast off. You might say we need heat to get warm, but that's not true. We use heat as a medium to slow the rate of energy transfer between our bodies and the surrounding environment. The colder it is, the more heat our bodies have to produce to keep our cells within a living temperature. Just as paper needs to be at 454 degrees farenheit, our cells need to be at a certain temperature to function correctly. If they get too cold you die. For most interactions heat is a byproduct that gets cast off and eventually out to space. But still, for all I care radiation, kinetic energy, electricity, and heat are all the same to me. |
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User ID: 15673008 United States 05/08/2012 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The fact that some geniuses were laughed at does not imply that all who are laughed at are geniuses. They laughed at Columbus, they laughed at Fulton, they laughed at the Wright brothers. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15671023 - Carl Sagan Bozo was pure genius. Z Free your mind,...your ass will follow. --- parliament funkadelic |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15723693 Australia 05/08/2012 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | someone failed their physics and thermodynamics class... i mean seriously get educated. I wont even do the effort to educate you with my response. Do you know how the heat can be conducted??? Clue... there is 3 ways... and yes... you can conduct heat in a void space... research. what a failed op |