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Christians think I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing because I'm not judgmental enough

 
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Re: Christians think I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing because I'm not judgmental enough
No.
You ignore Jesus because "YOU" don't think "it's" right.
Thats why.
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No.
You ignore Jesus because "YOU" don't think "it's" right.
Thats why.
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Well, no - I don't ignore Jesus. He's my Redeemer, and I can't live without Him.

Why would you make such an assertion?
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(Deuteronomy 4:2) Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.


(Matthew 7:16) Ye shall know them by their fruits.
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No.
You ignore Jesus because "YOU" don't think "it's" right.
Thats why.
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Well, no - I don't ignore Jesus. He's my Redeemer, and I can't live without Him.

Why would you make such an assertion?
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You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
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Re: Christians think I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing because I'm not judgmental enough
(Deuteronomy 4:2) Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.


(Matthew 7:16) Ye shall know them by their fruits.
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Wow that's inciteful. Has it come to the point where God empowers us to not speak for ourselves and just recite scripture?

I think the majorty of todays self righteous christians are just modern day pharisees. They preach scripture yet they themselves give only lip service and look away when someone points out that they themselves are prideful in their own knowledge and sinners themselves.

The OP says discuss and you put two completely out of context verses together as though they are one.

Amazing!
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Say this prayer..

That should fix the problem..

Dear God in heaven, I come to you in the name of Jesus. I acknowledge that you have perfected torture and blackmail, and that if I dont grovel,tremble,and fill myself with pride and fear, that you will burn me alive forever in hell. and I am not REALLY sorry for my sins and the life that I have lived; but if I dont say that you will burn me alive forever.

I believe that your only begotten Son Jesus Christ shed His precious blood on the cross at Calvary and had himself tortured to death so you would not have to torture me forever in your great enduring mercy, and I am now willing to turn from my sin....but ONLY because you will torture me if I dont at least pretend to, even though everyone will see how evil I still am by the pride and arrogance and hate that will henceforth spew from my mouth, because I will now think I am above everyone else.

You said in Your Holy Word, Romans 10:9 that if we confess the Lord our God and believe in our hearts that God raised Jesus from the dead, we shall be saved and avoid the eternal torture that you fashioned before the world began in your great love and mercy.

Right now I confess pride..oops..I mean Jesus as the Lord of my soul. With my heart, I believe that God raised Jesus from the dead. This very moment I accept Jesus Christ as my own personal Savior and according to His Word, right now I am saved...and can now freely sin...condemn others,,and look down on them in sheer contempt.

Thank you Jesus for your rather limited grace, which has saved me from my sins. I thank you Jesus that your grace always leads to license, pride..arrogance..hate..and sarcstic comments to all those you allow me now to condemn freely. Therefore Lord Jesus transform my life so that I may sling mud and shit and shame to you alone and especially myself.

Thank you Jesus for dying for me and giving me eternal life.

Amen.
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No.
You ignore Jesus because "YOU" don't think "it's" right.
Thats why.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


Well, no - I don't ignore Jesus. He's my Redeemer, and I can't live without Him.

Why would you make such an assertion?
 Quoting: op 8788578


You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
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Guy, I'm the one telling people "Jesus saves". Why do you believe He's going to fail - and not just slightly, but *colossally*?


His blood paid for the sins of the world. Yes, plenty still need to come to repentance, and that will happen "in due time" (1 Timothy 2). But the debt is paid.

Hebrews 1 also says that Christ is the heir of "all things" (Greek pas, meaning "all"), and He states in Matthew 11 that "All things are delivered unto me of my Father".
In John 6, he says that He'll lose *nothing* of what He was given. If He was given all, and will lose nothing of that all, it sounds like "all" is in good hands, yes?


You know what scripture says brings us to repentance? It's not judgment or doom or even hellfire. . .it's His kindness. Check out Romans 2, which talks about judgmental hypocrites, whom it asks "Do you actually despise the riches of God's goodness and patience?"

That's a pretty eye-opening question.
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You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
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And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
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Here is a Translation of the Sermon On the Mount
that I did August 25th, 2009. It took 27 minutes to write.

Some comments have ranged from "amusing", to
"This is more about you, than what Jesus said."







Blessed are the alone: for the Kingdom of Heaven is come to earth.

Blessed are groups that bring suit to correct records of the past: for membership is comforting.

Blessed are the shy: for the whole earth shall hear of their inheritance.

Blessed are the groups which read and think on verdicts: for they shall know fulfillment.

Blessed are the pardonful: for they shall be pardoned.

Blessed are the pure in record: for they shall see good.

Blessed are the peacekeepers: for they shall be called the child of good.

Blessed are groups which are prosecuted for the correction of studies, and reports: for the Kingdom of Heaven is come to earth.

Blessed are ye, when man shall advertise against you, and prosecute you, and shall say all manner of misscharacterization against you falsely, for our sake.

Party, and be huge celebrations: for large is your company of friends: for so they prosecuted the truths which came before you.

Ye are the addiction of the earth: but if the addiction has lost his hold, where and with what will it be addicted? It is therefore God of nothing, but to be forgotten, and made into footwear.

Ye are the justice of the world. A public database cannot be made secret.

Neither do men seek a justice, and form a secret society, but seek audience, and it gives Justice to all that are subscribed.

Let your record so be published before men, that they may see your God work, and glorify your motives which are in heaven.

Think not that I am here to destroy science or scientists: I am not here to destroy, but to fulfill.

For truthfully I say unto you, till heaven and earth reproduce, one job or one tittle shall in no way pass from Science, till all be resurrected.

Whoever thenceforth shall break one of these least positions, and shall coax men so, he shall be called the smallest in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

For I say unto you, that except your researches shall exceed the record keeping of the lawyers and politicians, ye shall in no case win the kingdom of heaven.

Ye have believed it was felt of them of old, thou shalt not sue, and whosoever sues is in danger of damnation.

But I say unto you, that whosoever is upset with his country but without a lawsuit shall be in danger of the damnation: and whosoever shall say to his country, fubsk it, shall be in danger of the elders, but whosoever shall say, they're dumb, shall be in danger of litigation.

Thenceforth if thou bring a breakthrough to the system, and there remember that thy country has anything against thee;

Leave the the breakthrough with the system, and go thy way; first to be reconciled with thy country, and then come to offer thy Hypothesis.

Agree with thine critic quickly, while thou are in the consciousness with him, lest at any moment the critic deliver thee to the self doubt, and the self doubt deliver thee to thee to inaccuracy, and thou be the father of a lie.

Verily I say unto thee, thou shall by no means get away with it, till thou has undone the uttermost consequence.

Ye have believed it was felt of them of old, you made your bed sleep in it:

But I say unto you, that whosoever thinks they aren't smart has slept in it already in his readings and studies.

And if thy best friend calls you stupid, snap your fingers at it, and flick it away from thee: for it is advantageous for thee that one of thy friends should be lost, and not that thy whole country be brought to trial.

And if thy best lover advises you to ignorance, clap your hands, and laugh it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy friends should be lost, and not that thy whole country be brought to trial.

It has been said, whosoever would drop out, let him take the g.e.d.

But I say unto you, that whosoever shall drop out, save for the teachers dropping out on him, has already failed, and whosoever joins him that dropped out commends failure.

Again, ye have felt that it has been believed by them of old, thou shalt not make thine own categories, but shall use the categories of the institutions.

But I say unto you, categorize not at all; neither in Heaven; for it is the imagination:

Nor by art; for it is the footprint of imagination: neither by history for it is the provence of brutal warriors.

Neither shall thou categorize by IQ, because thou can't make one score contain all truth.

But let your results be, whole, whole, none, none: for whatsoever is more than these comes from mischaracterization.

Ye have felt that is has been believed by them of old, thou can have any job ye want, and do something you love:

But I say unto you, that ye resist not mischaracterization: but whosoever shall assign you a label you don't like, turn to him your positive emotions as well.

And if any man will apprentice thee at the science, and take away thy findings as his own, let him have thy methods also.

And whosoever shall compel thee to serve a year, go with him two years.

Give to him that assigneth thee, and from him that would make expectations of thee turn not to quitting.

Ye have felt that is has been believed by them of old, thou shalt love thy company and, hate the competition.

But I say unto you, Truth to the competition, be honest about them that won't be honest about you, point out the righteous works of them that criticize you, and think well of them that despise and use you, and set themselves against you.

That ye may be the children of our imagination which is in heaven: for our imagination sheds light on the bad and the righteous, and grows the illusion and the truth equally well.

For if ye hand them which hand you, what reward have ye? Do not even the politicians do the same.

And if ye honor your company only, what do ye more than others? Are not even the lawyers so?

Be ye therefore perfect, even as our imagination which is in heaven is perfect.

Take heed that ye do not your mercy thinking before cameras, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of our imagination which is in heaven.

Therefore when thou doest thine mercy thinking, do not advertise before thee, as the corporations do in the homes and in the streets, that they may have the glory of cameras. Verily I say unto you, they only want money.

But when thou doest thy mercy thinking, let not thy worst lover know what thy best lover does:

That thine mercy thinking may be in secret: and our Imagination which sees in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

And when thou mercy think, thou shalt not be as the corporations are: for they love to mercy think standing in the homes and in the intersections, that they may be seen of cameras. Verily I say unto you, they are lucky to even get money.

But thou, when thou mercy think, enter into thy bedroom, and when thou hast shut thy door, mercy think to our Imagination which is in secret, and our Imagination which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

But when ye mercy think, use not the vain preconceptions, as the unimaginative do: for they think that they will be accepted for their much concentration.

Be not ye thenceforth like unto them: for our Imagination knoweth what feelings ye have need of, before ye ask him.

After this manner therefore mercy think ye: Thy Imagination which art in heaven, Revealed by thy name.

Our kingdom is come, our will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

Give me this day, my daily feeling.

And forgive me my failures, as I forgive my failures.

And lead me not into repetition, but deliver me from misscharacterization: for Ours is the kingdom, and the responsibility, and the cameras, for ever. Amen.

For if ye forgive men their unknowing, our heavenly Imagination will aslo forgive you.

But if ye forgive not men their unknowing, neither will our Imagination forgive your unknowing.

Moreover when ye vacation, be not as the tourists, of a colorful clothing: for they change their appearance, that they may appear to be on vacation. Verily I say unto you, they have their reward.

But thou, when thou vacation, learn the local IQ, and clean thy accent;

That thou appear not unto men as tourist, but unto our Imagination which is in secret: and our Imagination, which seeth in secret, shall reward thee openly.

Lay not up for yourself souvenirs of the place, where photos and performers do distract, and where packaging produces more waste than product.

But lay up for yourself souvenirs in heaven, where neither photos nor performers do distract, and where packaging does not produce more waste than product.

For where your ovine is from, there your feelings will be also.

The justice of the tribe is in the friend: if therefore thine friend be one, thy whole tribe shall be full of justice.

But if thine friend be misscharacterized, the whole tribe shall be full of injustice. If therefore the Justice that is in thee be injustice, how great is that injustice.

No man can follow two guides: for either he will doubt the one and listen to the other; or else he will hold to the one, and ignore the other. Ye cannot follow learning and facade.

Thenceforth I say to you, take no thought for your hotel, what restaurants, or what nightclubs ye shall visit; nor yet for your tribe, how ye shall represent them. Is not the visit more than commercial, and the tribe more than image?

Behold the word of mouth: for they pay not for advertising, nor do they want all your money; yet our heavenly Imagination makes them teachers. Are ye not better students than they?

Which of you by criticizing thought can add one day unto his stay?

And why criticize ye thought of your own tribe? Consider your own children who have had sleep overs, how they can grow, they advertise not, neither do they recruit:

And yet I say unto you, that even Mark Twain in all his publications was not received like one of these.

Wherefore, if Imagination so represent a tribe of the world, which this day is, and the morrow is changed, shall he not much more represent you, O ye of timid travels?

Therefore take no thought, saying, where shall we eat out? or, what club shall we drink at? or, how can we represent our tribe?

(For after all these things do the tourists seek for our heavenly Imagination knows of friends, families, and marriages who can meet all these needs.

Pay them your vacation money: and pay the taxes on that money so they may enjoy it fully. For their country will grow thereby. Study of local tax laws is a task sufficient for a travel agency.

Advise not, that ye be not advised.

For with what solution you advise, ye shall be doubted: and with what standard you raise up, it shall be seen as prejudice in you.

And why fixate on tiny flaw that is in thy countries friend, but consider not the disaster in thine own friend.

Or how will thou say to thy country, Let me erase the flaw out of thy friend; and, behold a disaster is in thine own friend?

Thou hypocrite, first cast out the disaster of thine own friend; and then shalt thou find friendship in thy countries friend.

Reveal not that which is understood to the soldiers, nether cast ye your wisdoms before the police, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn again to arrest you.

Ask, and it may be given you; seek, and ye may discover; knock, and doors may be opened unto you:

For everyone that asks will see something, and he that seeks will feel something, and to him that knocks will hear.

Or what man is there of you, whom if his guest asks food, will he give him blindness.

Or if he asks for a feast, will he give him a poison?

If ye then, being misscharacterizers, know how to give God gifts unto your guests, how much more shall our Imagination which is in heaven give God things to them that ask him?

Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should see in you, do ye even to see so in them: For this is the science and the truths.

Go ye in at the sober gate: for intoxicated is the gate, and crooked is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go for that.

Because sober is the gate, and moderation is the way, which leads to life, and few there be that find it.

Beware of fake truths, which come to you clothed in certificates, but are not internally consistent.

Ye shall know them by reproducing their results. Do men gather facts from categories, or data from statistics?

Even so every God system brings forth God results; but a fake system brings forth mischaracterized results.

A God system cannot bring forth mischaracterized results, neither can a fake system bring forth God results.

Every system that brings not God results is dismantled and cast into the studies of historical deceptions.

Whenceforth by their systems ye will know them.

Not everyone that says to me, Word, Word, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of our Imagination which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Word, Word, have we not truthed in thy name? and in thy name have cast out deceivers and in thy name done many amazing actions?

And then will I professor unto them, I never knew you: depart from here, ye that work inequality.

Therefore whoever knocks these sayings of mine, and yet does them, I will liken him unto a doctor, which rebuilt a organ with his eyes closed:

And the light descended, and understanding came, and he could hear, and feel; and he failed not: for it was guided by imagination.

And everyone that hears these sayings of mine, and doesn't do them, shall be likened unto a propagandist, which rebuilt an organ of sand:

And it was made to look right, and shaped into the right form, and he closed it up, but it could not hold; and it ruptured: and tragic was the rupture of it.

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Here is a Translation of the Sermon On the Mount
that I did August 25th, 2009. It took 27 minutes to write.

Some comments have ranged from "amusing", to
"This is more about you, than what Jesus said."


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Progressive :)
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(Deuteronomy 4:2) Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.


(Matthew 7:16) Ye shall know them by their fruits.
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Wow that's inciteful. Has it come to the point where God empowers us to not speak for ourselves and just recite scripture?

I think the majorty of todays self righteous christians are just modern day pharisees. They preach scripture yet they themselves give only lip service and look away when someone points out that they themselves are prideful in their own knowledge and sinners themselves.

The OP says discuss and you put two completely out of context verses together as though they are one.

Amazing!
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(John 8:37) I know that ye are Abraham's seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you.


(Matthew 7:16) Ye shall know them by their fruits.
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You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
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And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
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How do you know he didn't?

0 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
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(Deuteronomy 29:29) The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.


(John 8:24) I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
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Re: Christians think I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing because I'm not judgmental enough
No.
You ignore Jesus because "YOU" don't think "it's" right.
Thats why.
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What I find really interesting, is the fact this comment immediately tries to find fault with the OP, but without sufficient basis or reasoning.


A judge has to hear a court case first before he can determine the outcome for himself. If a judge has an outcome already in mind before he's heard the case, then he hasn't properly done his job.


To the OP: Why do you say that? What happened?
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One more thing Mr. Pride.
Your title says alot.

One you admit that most Christians think your beliefs about hell are of lies. Hence your wolf persona.

Two. You try to cast the blame on them because you don't believe in what scripture plainly states by claiming you are not "judgmental" enough. Like you are above the true teachings of scripture.

Tell me, what if you are wrong and souls are condemed because of false teaching?
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You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
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Here's another one for you. Why would God create Adam and Eve so totally innocent so as NOT to know right from wrong, and then punish them for disobedience....KNOWING they could not have known it wrong to disobey?

Further, what type of parent would tell their kids NOT to eat from a tree that would give them knowledge, in effect not wanting them to know anything?

Does any of that make sense?
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
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And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
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Here's another one for you. Why would God create Adam and Eve so totally innocent so as NOT to know right from wrong, and then punish them for disobedience....KNOWING they could not have known it wrong to disobey?

Further, what type of parent would tell their kids NOT to eat from a tree that would give them knowledge, in effect not wanting them to know anything?

Does any of that make sense?
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Wow man. You must be smarter than God. If YOU can't understand it, it must be BS.
Your sin is pride and ignorance.
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You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
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And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
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Here's another one for you. Why would God create Adam and Eve so totally innocent so as NOT to know right from wrong, and then punish them for disobedience....KNOWING they could not have known it wrong to disobey?

Further, what type of parent would tell their kids NOT to eat from a tree that would give them knowledge, in effect not wanting them to know anything?

Does any of that make sense?
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Wow man. You must be smarter than God. If YOU can't understand it, it must be BS.
Your sin is pride and ignorance.
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I'm not smarter than God, I'm smart enough to know that God would be BETTER than this type of petty crap. There's a difference.
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
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And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
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How do you know he didn't?

0 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
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So are you claiming that God waited until the first century AD to bother informing humanity that if they die in their sins they'll end up in Hell?

Seriously?

And He let all those poor schmucks from Adam & Eve up until then stumble into their irrevocable afterlife without any clue that they might end up dropped onto a blazing grill?


God always urged the prophets to plainly warn people of their predicament, lest blood be on their own hands for not speaking up. . .yet He Himself appears to have neglected for literally thousands of years to alert people of the *worst* possible fate imaginable. Why is this?


hmm
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Re: Christians think I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing because I'm not judgmental enough
You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Here's another one for you. Why would God create Adam and Eve so totally innocent so as NOT to know right from wrong, and then punish them for disobedience....KNOWING they could not have known it wrong to disobey?

Further, what type of parent would tell their kids NOT to eat from a tree that would give them knowledge, in effect not wanting them to know anything?

Does any of that make sense?
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Wow man. You must be smarter than God. If YOU can't understand it, it must be BS.
Your sin is pride and ignorance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


His ONLY sin..is that he can THINK.

Pride and arrogance is the christians specialty..not thinkers.
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You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Here's another one for you. Why would God create Adam and Eve so totally innocent so as NOT to know right from wrong, and then punish them for disobedience....KNOWING they could not have known it wrong to disobey?

Further, what type of parent would tell their kids NOT to eat from a tree that would give them knowledge, in effect not wanting them to know anything?

Does any of that make sense?
 Quoting: ajk


If you don't skewer it so much, it does.

The reason for the discouragement is it was knowledge of both Good and evil. You know what evil is like, you detest evil, correct? Would you actively encourage learning of evil? Or discourage it, like parents do with children? And if parents with children, why not God?


The hell like state, being a result of, knowing evil and performing evil. A direct result of. If I commit an evil act, which are destructive, I harm myself (regardless of whether or not I harm others, I harm myself also). Do unto others, as you'd have them do unto you.
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You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
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How do you know he didn't?

0 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


So are you claiming that God waited until the first century AD to bother informing humanity that if they die in their sins they'll end up in Hell?

Seriously?

And He let all those poor schmucks from Adam & Eve up until then stumble into their irrevocable afterlife without any clue that they might end up dropped onto a blazing grill?


God always urged the prophets to plainly warn people of their predicament, lest blood be on their own hands for not speaking up. . .yet He Himself appears to have neglected for literally thousands of years to alert people of the *worst* possible fate imaginable. Why is this?


hmm
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Have you considered the possibility that this God you have worshipped for so long isn't really God?
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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Re: Christians think I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing because I'm not judgmental enough
You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Here's another one for you. Why would God create Adam and Eve so totally innocent so as NOT to know right from wrong, and then punish them for disobedience....KNOWING they could not have known it wrong to disobey?

Further, what type of parent would tell their kids NOT to eat from a tree that would give them knowledge, in effect not wanting them to know anything?

Does any of that make sense?
 Quoting: ajk


If you don't skewer it so much, it does.

The reason for the discouragement is it was knowledge of both Good and evil. You know what evil is like, you detest evil, correct? Would you actively encourage learning of evil? Or discourage it, like parents do with children? And if parents with children, why not God?
 Quoting: Joshua Flynn 6094756


Would it not be better that they know the difference? They're gonna be faced with it eventually no? So why keep them dumb to it?
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Here's another one for you. Why would God create Adam and Eve so totally innocent so as NOT to know right from wrong, and then punish them for disobedience....KNOWING they could not have known it wrong to disobey?

Further, what type of parent would tell their kids NOT to eat from a tree that would give them knowledge, in effect not wanting them to know anything?

Does any of that make sense?
 Quoting: ajk


Wow man. You must be smarter than God. If YOU can't understand it, it must be BS.
Your sin is pride and ignorance.
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I'm not smarter than God, I'm smart enough to know that God would be BETTER than this type of petty crap. There's a difference.
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cruise
Good luck.
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And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
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(Deuteronomy 29:29) The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
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You realize that God gave Moses volumes of instructions and directives, yes? And it included such mundane details as how to menstruate? Yet it featured not one word about any afterlife, let alone on consisting of infinite burning?

Does that not seem strange to you, that God was apparently more concerned with us knowing how to wipe our butts properly than with comprehending the possibility of potential eternal damnation?
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To the OP: Why do you say that? What happened?
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Sorry, why do I say *what*? Not sure what you're asking. . .
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Re: Christians think I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing because I'm not judgmental enough
You deny the main reason Jesus came and died. To save humanity from ETERNAL HELL.
How many souls have you deluded this year? Do you realize the implications of being the cause, or part of the cause, someone stays lost?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419030


And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


Here's another one for you. Why would God create Adam and Eve so totally innocent so as NOT to know right from wrong, and then punish them for disobedience....KNOWING they could not have known it wrong to disobey?

Further, what type of parent would tell their kids NOT to eat from a tree that would give them knowledge, in effect not wanting them to know anything?

Does any of that make sense?
 Quoting: ajk


Wow man. You must be smarter than God. If YOU can't understand it, it must be BS.
Your sin is pride and ignorance.
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Don't judge him. He has a valid question which is based on a misunderstanding of a concept. He's asking why would discouragement of knowledge be a good thing (on the assumption that learning is a positive experience). He's missed the part where it says 'evil'. Knowledge of evil. Would anyone ever encourage learning of the evil in this world? Or discourage it?
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And if eternal hell is such a danger, why did God not warn Adam & Eve right at the start of all this? In fact, please tell us where in scripture God first announces for all time the alleged Truth that sinners wind up in an afterlife of endless fire. This alone is a rather startling exercise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


(Deuteronomy 29:29) The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7254491



You realize that God gave Moses volumes of instructions and directives, yes? And it included such mundane details as how to menstruate? Yet it featured not one word about any afterlife, let alone on consisting of infinite burning?

Does that not seem strange to you, that God was apparently more concerned with us knowing how to wipe our butts properly than with comprehending the possibility of potential eternal damnation?
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GOD FORCES us to be born blind and does FUCK ALL to show us the alternatives..which if he was really SERIOUS about loving us and wanting to save us from this hellhole HE CREATED..he would have gone out of his way to show all mankind..on an individual basis..WHAT our choices will lead to.

But God does NOT want robots right?

So there is the conundrum..

If God WAS to show everyone hell in all its glory..or horror..yes...most SANE people would bow to him.

But they would NOT BE DOING IT IN LOVE..they would be doing it in FEAR..having been FORCED to make a choice.

So it cant be THAT important to God to save his creatures from his dungeoun..cause he just wont settle the issue once and for all by GIVING US A CLEAR CHOICE.

So therefore hell CANT be real cause god does not WANT robots..and NOT to reveal such a place to ALL..with all its horror..would also go against his desire to have people love him WILLINGLY..and not a fake and forced love because of the BLACKMAIL of hell.

And if hell IS real..and god does NOT make the choice clear..HE IS WITHOUT A DOUBT..and UNCARING SADISTIC EVIL BLACK HEARTED CUNT.

But we all know he CANT be..or do we?
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To the OP: Why do you say that? What happened?
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Sorry, why do I say *what*? Not sure what you're asking. . .
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Your title.





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