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How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper? - An Eye Opening Preview

 
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i can't wait to go on raiding sorties for all these "preppers" spoils
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Can't wait to catch a raider in my crosshairs.

When you look down and see that red dot on your chest...then and only then will you understand your folly.
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if you can see me I can see you, may the best man win
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Survival requires smarts, good instincts, and an ability to improvise. No matter how well prepared an individual or community is food will run out, sources of clean water will run out, ammunition will run out, and you won't be able to hold off the rest of the world forever. The best prep is to prepare your head and your heart. Nothing else will get you through.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14713854

The food will not run out if you run a smart farm/ranch, and don't have unfortunate personal catastrophes come your way. Heirloom vegetables' & trees' seeds are harvest-able for replanting, and livestock reproduce. So if you build it right, your farm can be sustainable.

Clean water doesn't necessarily run out if you have access to renewable water sources. Hand-pump or solar wells are useful if you can perform maintenance on them. Rivers and lakes are useful if you can boil or pasteurize the water.

Ammo will run out, but you can extend it's life with judicial re-use of expended brass casings for re-loading (with the proper equipment), and recycling lead from car batteries, lead boot flashings from home roof plumbing vents, and tire balance weights. But you'll have to keep a large stock of primers as they are rather complicated, and most people will not know how to re-load them. And I'm not sure how feasible it is to make smokeless powder at home. Black powder would have to be re-formulated I imagine to be able to be created and used in reloading, as it's normally not at all used for that.

You don't have to hold off the world if you are well hidden in a rural location. If you attempt to hide out and hole up in an urban or suburban environment, then all bets are off.
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"Doom" is taking place in our thoughts and we all know thoughts create matter.

So prepp for love instead for "doom"
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We all know too, that starving to death, equals living life to the fullest.
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It is the preppers that need to worry- there is a network of people - myself included? that are monitoring web sites like this looking for preppers, figuring out where they are and mapping them- when the shtf we will no where to go, what you have and how to get it.

BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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What is horrific is the fate of the prepper who is discovered by the hoards of nonpreppers.
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So true. Ya can't stay awake and on guard 24 hr a day.
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That's why you hang out with trusted friends. 24/7 security requires shifts.

Never go less than 50% security if you want to live. 75% is better.
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Yeah..its gonna be a laugh watching millions of fat arsed wobbly blubber laden merkans wobbling their way round the empty isles in walmart complaining that there are no more twinkies or pizza's.
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Yeah, real funny.

Esp when they get organized and realize that some of their neighbors have food and water. And all they have to do is take it.

Remember, one way is certain death, the other gives them a chance. Good luck defending it against 1000 deadshits who dont GAF about you.
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Yeah, that's going to be our zombie apocalypse right there. Not the undead, but the "nearly dead" that you'll have to shoot en masse.
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Both the "Non-prepper" and the "prepper" will find themselves trapped in chaos faced with the exact same threats and dangers without an effective, tested and proven escape plan. Once an urban area has been shut down, and containment protocols are in place...

In that scenario chances of survival for either will be slim at best, regardless of levels of preparedness.

Thread: Welcome to the beginning of the end
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No amount of prepping will help for what is coming.
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Why worry about preparing when we can be part of the true church and be taken out of all this? Didn't God promise us that He would take care of us? The churches have fallen away, I've known that for about 30 years now. The real true church will be removed right after the antichrist is revealed. The falling away that Paul mentioned has already happened and it totally complete now. Those who have ears to ear and have heeded God's warning do not have to worry about making it through the tribulation. Repent and fill your lamps with oil now before it's too late. I tend to agree that no amount of preparing will help much when God's wrath is started to be poured out. People wake up! Time is short, get on your knees and pray, fast. Read the bible and be watching and praying, we don't know the hour the Lord will come. Be in your prepared state always from now on out. He's coming very soon, soon as in our sense of soon. Get in the ark now.
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About the screams and the stench, earplugs and air freshener, will they do?

I take it there still will be curbside pickup of all those "waste disposal plastic bags"?

lolsign
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Ear plugs are a must for gun battles..

The stench is overcome by having spearmeny oil in your preps and you put a few drops on the out side of a dust mask (you should have many of these) the spearment over powers the smell of death and rot and will prevent the weak from vomiting when in an area over come by the stench of death, rot and or human waste.

Of course this is only a protection as you quickly remove yourself from the are at a cleaner one or if you are forced to handle the dead for body removal.
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Will be horrific even for the prepper. The non prepper? Bend over and kiss the butt goodbye. On the upside though, the non prepper will have a faster demise than the prepper if the entire planet goes -- but I anticipate it to be more regional than global.
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The silver lining in the regional crisis cloud is that regional crises are geographically limited, which means you can leave the region to find safety.

So many people refuse to get that.

If your house is burning down around you, and all you have to fight the raging fire is toilet water, do you stay to try to put the fire out with your toilet water, no matter how futile the effort? Or do you escape with your life, to return later and rebuild after your house has inevitably burned itself to the ground?

Tough choice there. Sadly, it's often an emotional one that nets the wrong result.
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Never go less than 50% security if you want to live. 75% is better.
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A 100% is to have a goal, despite the circumstances (which means for example, people like you).
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i can't wait to go on raiding sorties for all these "preppers" spoils
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Can't wait to catch a raider in my crosshairs.

When you look down and see that red dot on your chest...then and only then will you understand your folly.
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if you can see me I can see you, may the best man win
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Wana bet?

You have no idea.

May the best man win? Wrong again...

The best trained and best armed man wins.
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[link to www.shtfplan.com]

This is the best article I have ever read about the importance of prepping that could be forwarded on to those who need a good wakeup call. I urge you to read the whole article and send it to those you think it might help. I did. Did even one of you get more serious after reading this?

(Less than 50% rule followed)

What horrors they will likely face after a cave-in of their nation’s economy, war, geophysical upheaval, or whatever crisis is bad enough to disturb or stop their nation from working and functioning? There are plenty of very potential SHTF events that are simply awaiting a catalyst to trigger them.

• The Non-Prepper (NP) has to realize right off the bat that 911 and other emergency calls in will be met with silence or some recording telling the caller not to panic.

•The (NP) that has no reliable self defense that can stop an attacker, will not get help from public services, and will become a victim of rape, assault, torture, or murder.

•The (NP) that has no reliable self defense and will not only be at the mercy of criminal elements, but also have to contend with many desperate animals, some with rabies.

•The (NP) that has no food will either have to find food or be ready to beg for food or worse, like sacrificing their bodies or other horrible acts or things to get a bite of food.

•The (NP) will have to go through the worst, most rancid conditions of garbage to just maybe find what they should have stored up.

•The (NP) will go through panic and near if not total psychosis looking for any water source right before their bodies begin shutting down during advanced stages of dehydration.

•The (NP) will go through unbearable trauma when their children and other people around them are crying, screaming, and suffering with intense hunger pains in their stomachs.

• The (NP) will have to deal with the awful stench of rotting wastes from many sources because they have not taken the effort to even store up waste disposal plastic bags.

•The (NP) will have disease and pathogens everywhere, not only because they have no trash disposal means, but because they haven’t prepared how to deal with trash and waste.

•The (NP) will have to live in very primitive conditions after things around them deteriorate rapidly, because they have neglected putting away anything to make life more bearable.

•The (NP) and those around them will likely develop all sorts of infective skin rashes from the lack of insight of storing up toilet paper. Imagine the smell for a moment.

•The (NP) will have to handle biting insects and other vermin that will collect amoungst the filth that will pile up. No pest control stored up along with no other supplies.

•The (NP) will have no way of treating sickness certain to follow a SHTF event, no first aid and likely no training or knowledge about how to treat the ill on top of this.

•The (NP) will have sick and dying people around them because of not being able to treat minor injuries. Didn’t even stock up on disinfectives. Unsanitary conditions lead to infection.

•The (NP) and others around them will experience much grief as they watch helplessly as their family members literally die of starvation right in front of their eyes.

•The (NP) won’t believe how desperate hunger drives them and those that mean everything to them to “trying” to eat food that taste so bad it gags them and comes back up.

•The (NP) will likely have family and friends around them that have also not prepared committing suicide because they can’t take it any longer.

•The (NP) will witness some of those people around them lose any sense of civilized humanity in them and behave like wild animals after some time from lack of necessities.

•The (NP) and family members, maybe friends also, will at some point end up barbecuing or eating raw the family dog, cat, bird, any pet dear to everyone for food.

•The (NP) will likely get into physical fights with other family members over any scrap of food available as rational thoughts are lost to wanton hunger.

•The (NP) as many other (NP’s) will eventually go out of any safety of their home looking for food and or water, become disorientated and lost, and die a hard death somewhere.

•The (NP) that is “lucky” enough to find some government help will likely have to almost sell their soul, probably all their freedom, to get tiny rations – just enough to keep them alive.

•The (NP) will see widespread violence and barbarism that will shock them to the core and will wish that they had purchased some form of firearm and stocked up on ammunition.

•The (NP) better get used to attempting to explain the children and other adults why they wasted all that money on junk, and didn’t buy any emergency food and other supplies.

•The (NP), no matter how positive they are will drop quickly into depression and lose willpower as having nothing to hold on to does this, along with lack of any nutrition.

•The (NP) will feel the worst guilt imaginable as they hear their family moaning in anguish from lack of anything to eat, knowing they could have done something to prepare.

•The (NP) will most likely not see the rebuilding and recovery after A SHTF event. They will, like almost all NP’s, be statistics. Some will die hours or a day before help arrives.

•The (NP) from lack of food, drinking bad water, no light at night, the horrid smells, no good self defense, the overall horror, will often be paralyzed with fear and despair, blank stare.

•The (NP) is totally helpless after SHTF, will have to rely totally on charity of those prepared to live. They will take all sorts of desperate measures likely to get them shot. They’ll attempt to eat hazardous foods like an animal trapped in a house will do, and get sick and suffer much before dying. The (NP) will likely die (ugly and hard) as they lived, unprepared for anything.

If we were to use one single word to describe the torments that someone who “chooses” not to prepare will go through after a true you know what hits the fan it would be “PREVENTABLE”.
 Quoting: withoutatrace


Yeah..its gonna be a laugh watching millions of fat arsed wobbly blubber laden merkans wobbling their way round the empty isles in walmart complaining that there are no more twinkies or pizza's.
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We're not all fat dumbasses you know :)
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I tend to agree that no amount of preparing will help much when God's wrath is started to be poured out. People wake up! Time is short, get on your knees and pray, fast. Read the bible and be watching and praying, we don't know the hour the Lord will come.
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I tend to agree, that no amount of preparing will help much in the end, because you will still be stucked with this creature - and no one will care anymore.
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What scenario are we going with were the entire world has no food and everyone is attack each other?
lol.
Because if its "end of the world", you'll end up like everyone else "eventually"...
And why are non-preppers not able to defend themselves?
That's just retarded.
Have fun wasting your cash.
You believe you'll have the last laugh, but you have no idea.
XD
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4281714


Exactly this.Many havent prepped because they will take form ones that have.Oh I know all these big bad armed preppers can handle it.All it takes is on small gang and you will be history,probably dead.Home invasion shows how easy it is to over power people.You can have all the guns in the world but you cant use them all at once and the ones coming will be armed too.Probably just sneak around and burn you out.
Preppers are just a big ass target.
I prepare like I would in case of an emergency or storm,etc.The government will take most of it anyway if times get that bad and redistribute it.
A total waste of time and funds for the most part.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16139111

1. 1 small gang can easily be defeated by 1 small family of Preppers properly defending their position.

2. Homes after TSHTF will need to be fortified against attackers.

3. Guns can shoot farther than gansters can throw Molotov Cocktails.

4. Only overt Preppers are a big target, not the hidden ones.

5. If times get that bad, you will either have to hide from TPTB, or you will have to move far away from them.

Moral of the story?

1. Hide your place far away from gangs.
2. Have adequate 24/7 security.
3. Don't let them get close to your place. If you cannot keep them away, then move now to a more secure place.
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I read these verses this morning out of Isaiah Chapter 8 and they popped out at me. Kinda fits in with this thread so i though I'd share it.

11 For thus the LORD spoke to me with mighty power and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying, 12 "You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy !' In regard to all that this people call a conspiracy, And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it. 13 "It is the LORD of hosts whom you should regard as holy. And He shall be your fear, And He shall be your dread.
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"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for Thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.." -- Ps. 23:4 KJV

"You will not fear the terror of the night, nor the arrow that flies by day, nor the pestilence that stalks in the darkness, nor the plague that destroys at midday. A thousand may fall at your side, ten thousand at your right hand, but it will not come near you. You will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked. If you make the Most High your dwelling -- even the LORD, who is my refuge -- then no harm will befall you, no disaster will come near your tent. ... 'Because he loves me,' says the LORD, 'I will rescue him; I will protect him for he acknowledges my name...'" --Ps. 91:5-10

Contrary to what TPTB and those who fear (worship) them predict, the ones who should be the most worried are them. All the woes are spoken to these who devise iniquity, build a global community on bloodshed and destroy the earth in the process. It's the one apocalyptic movie no Godless imagination has conceived of to even film.
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ps, the above post is posted from a 53 year old type 2 diabetic who has been prepping for over 6 years. It took two years to get my husband on board. My adult children still look at me funny, but they know where their meals will be if needed. I have bought pre prepper food in the cans, I buy bags of rice, I have both wheat berries for milling and flour for immediate use to make bread.

I have started a small orchard on my property with fruit, very small, but I only have an acre. I have gotten my husband helping. He dug a food pantry in our basement, took the dirt out bucket by bucket with my teenage son, we now have a 20 by 8 food pantry jammed back of food with paper supplies. I buy little propane jugs for the propane cooker to use if we have no gas or electricity. We have bought iron pans to cook food outside in a pit. We were all in the scouts for years, so we know how to survive outside if need be. My garden started with a 15 x 15 foot patch, and it has grown into about a 40x50 foot patch. I grow herbs, and veggies.

I dehydrate my veggies, and get frozen veggies on sale and dehyrate them. jars of dehydrated foods in my basement. I buy beans everytime I go to the store. I buy nothing unless it is on sale of course.

My FIL is a gun collector, he has a reloader and supplies, between him and my husband they own over 200 guns.
He lives on a lake, fishing tackle is a must.

The only thing that will get me, is my thyroid. I don't have it anymore, and my pills will be gone in a month. I asked my doctor what will happen to me. He said that I would gain a lot of weight, become incredibly lethargic and eventually die from a heart attack. But he said I would have two years.

Those two years, I will spend setting up my surviving children and relatives for the future. helping as much as I can with the gardens, food hunting, gaurding the house with the guns etc. In the long run I won't survive, and if civilization doesn't come back, I'll be old anyways (possible 60's) so I don't mind. But I will spend every once of my life helping my beloved survive. And I'm not waiting for it to happen then, I'm preparing now.
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May God bless you and keep you and your family safe.
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I'm preparing spiritually. I plan on having fun in this "chaos", maybe save a few lives, arm people with spiritual knowledge, etc. If I get taken out at some point, no biggie. My spirit will wake up somewhere else. What I won't do is live in fear or relegate myself to that of a "dog eat dog" survivalist. That's what the PTB do, not me. Death before dishonor, always.
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Well said!
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Even the prepper will eventually run out of things.
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Not the smart ones that learn how to live of the land. Food is everywhere.
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I am curious about what all the preppers will do if shit doesnt hit the fan?

Will you be prepared for love and positivity?
Will you be happy for the rest of your lives?
Will you enjoy life?

Or will you still be living in fear and prepping untill
you r dead?

Prepped as i am, i still choose NO doom over doom.
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Hope for the best and prepare for the worst. One of the worst things that can happen is to be sold out for doom and no doom comes. Then you will be doomed. So if you are a prepper truly living according to "hope for the best and prepare for the worst" then you should prepare for that too.
Prepping is just fun though.
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Funny, that's the US Boy Scouts Motto, I believe.
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I hope it will only happen in films.
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yep, it will be like the zombie apocalypse.
zombies = non preppers....

hiding
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Or when the sDhtf

Live your life to the fullest,
love others like you should love yourself,
fall in love, but dont be a slave to love,
start a family,
grow old and happy and sane.

Oh yeah, and smoke lots of weed!

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1. 1 small gang can easily be defeated by 1 small family of Preppers properly defending their position.

2. Homes after TSHTF will need to be fortified against attackers.

3. Guns can shoot farther than gansters can throw Molotov Cocktails.

4. Only overt Preppers are a big target, not the hidden ones.

5. If times get that bad, you will either have to hide from TPTB, or you will have to move far away from them.

I'm preparing spiritually. I plan on having fun in this "chaos", maybe save a few lives, arm people with spiritual knowledge, etc. If I get taken out at some point, no biggie. My spirit will wake up somewhere else.
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Moral of the story?

1. Hide your place far away from gangs.
2. Have adequate 24/7 security.
3. Don't let them get close to your place. If you cannot keep them away, then move now to a more secure place.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6677658


Moral of the story?

It will wakeup here, so no biggie and don't forget to live your live to the fullest.
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I hope it will only happen in films.
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I hope it will only happen in films.
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Hopefully by then our garden and hunting skills have been honed in.
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Has it ever occurred to any of you Preppers that some of us Non Preppers are barely making it by at all? That sometimes we barely have enough to pay the bills? In my household, it goes like this: rent first, then bills, lastly food. NOTHING else until we get a little extra money. Do you preppers ever stop to think that maybe the true horror is not having enough to get by? All that matters to me right now is that we have enough to pay the bills? If the SHTF, it might be a blessing in disguise because then maybe just maybe we won't have to pay the bills that month
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1598404

I've seen very wealthy people make the same argument you are making now. They are living beyond their means, have their credit cards maxed out, have their children in all manner of money pits, and have no extra income available for Prep investments.

But it's all just an illusion. If they would reduce their standard of living by moving out of their big house into an economical one, sell off the summer home, sell off the expensive Beemers, and cut up their credit cards, cash out some of the investments, and sell the boat, they would gain the extra income to invest in their future survival.

So unless you are already dirt poor by Greek standards, you should be able to tighten the belt, so to speak, suck it up and prepare for your family's future now.

It's just another of your insurance policies, after all.

I suspect most Germans, even the ones with very modest incomes, live better than 90% of the rest of the world, considering that most of the world have never even ridden in a car, much less owned one. It's just a matter of perspective for most.

YMMV
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Has it ever occurred to any of you Preppers that some of us Non Preppers are barely making it by at all? That sometimes we barely have enough to pay the bills? In my household, it goes like this: rent first, then bills, lastly food. NOTHING else until we get a little extra money. Do you preppers ever stop to think that maybe the true horror is not having enough to get by? All that matters to me right now is that we have enough to pay the bills? If the SHTF, it might be a blessing in disguise because then maybe just maybe we won't have to pay the bills that month
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but but but you live in a socialist utopia subsidized by US tax dollars for over 50 years
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I'm actually in southern California (it says Germany when i am on my phone idk why). believe me this article scares the shit out of me, but when i make enough to barely fill my refrigerator after the bills i can't really worry about stocking up my pantry
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Kalifornia is a Socialist money pit in and of itself. People who live there willingly are just wasting their money supporting a bankrupt state monster with an insatiable appetite for your wallet.

Move out before that state defaults like Greece is doing.

Then you'll be able to invest in your survival.
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I read these verses this morning out of Isaiah Chapter 8 and they popped out at me. Kinda fits in with this thread so i though I'd share it.

11 For thus the LORD spoke to me with mighty power and instructed me not to walk in the way of this people, saying, 12 "You are not to say, 'It is a conspiracy !' In regard to all that this people call a conspiracy, And you are not to fear what they fear or be in dread of it. 13 "It is the LORD of hosts whom you should regard as holy. And He shall be your fear, And He shall be your dread.
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We have two groups of people saying "conspiracy" right now: 1. TPTB, self-exalted elitists, whom G W Bush spoke for, who fear those who are not for them and declare these to be terrorists, and 2. the ones the self-exalted elitists call terrorists.

Which group is this scripture referring to?
Perhaps the most important thing to glean from this verse is that there is a God above all who knows all and sees all, and is the defender of the oppressed -- not the oppressor, and therefore is the only one to "fear" (worship).

The ones who should fear Him most are the self-exalted, wealth-hoarding oppressors who forget God is God, (Deut. 8) and therefore don't realize that it is they (TPTB) who will be destroyed -- by the curse itself, when the measures they have used are measured back to them.
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Has it ever occurred to any of you Preppers that some of us Non Preppers are barely making it by at all? That sometimes we barely have enough to pay the bills? In my household, it goes like this: rent first, then bills, lastly food. NOTHING else until we get a little extra money. Do you preppers ever stop to think that maybe the true horror is not having enough to get by? All that matters to me right now is that we have enough to pay the bills? If the SHTF, it might be a blessing in disguise because then maybe just maybe we won't have to pay the bills that month
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I've seen very wealthy people make the same argument you are making now. They are living beyond their means, have their credit cards maxed out, have their children in all manner of money pits, and have no extra income available for Prep investments.

But it's all just an illusion. If they would reduce their standard of living by moving out of their big house into an economical one, sell off the summer home, sell off the expensive Beemers, and cut up their credit cards, cash out some of the investments, and sell the boat, they would gain the extra income to invest in their future survival.

So unless you are already dirt poor by Greek standards, you should be able to tighten the belt, so to speak, suck it up and prepare for your family's future now.

It's just another of your insurance policies, after all.

I suspect most Germans, even the ones with very modest incomes, live better than 90% of the rest of the world, considering that most of the world have never even ridden in a car, much less owned one. It's just a matter of perspective for most.

YMMV
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This is true for many folks. Living without extra cash because of all the little bells and whistles of life distracting them.

For me though...

I'd say that I'm living pretty bare bones. I do what I can to prepare, but I definitely fall short.
I have a gun and lots of ammo, but I live amongst a neighborhood of people that would converge faster than I could pull the trigger.
I just don't have enough money to move rural and stock up on food and supplies. It's just not possible for all.

But, for those that make it possible, they'll have a VASTLY better chance at survival.
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