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How Horrific Will It Be For The Non-Prepper? - An Eye Opening Preview

 
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What this article neglects to mention is that it may be a scenario the preppers didn't prep for that happens.
What if an asteroid hits and wipes out all of your prepped stock?
Or an ice age comes and freezes everything?
How about all the criminals who know you stocked up and want to take what you have?
Eventually you will be out of stock then what?
I'm not saying prepping isn't a good idea but you cannot prep for everything that could go wrong.
Considering the government has already passed the bill to confiscate your stock how long do you think you'll be able to keep it?
Personally I hope that whatever happens hits us so quick that we never felt it coming.
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The cool thing about prepping is the build-in redundancy. Many preps are useful over a wide variety of crisis scenarios. So, while no on can prepare for every possible emergency, many basic preps can help to overcome the vast majority of them. That's why it's wise to think these things through in order to get the most prep bang for your buck.

If a Prepper loses his/her stock, he should know how to replace it or survive without it, even in a crisis. Prepping is not just about accumulating stuff. It's also about mental/emotional preparedness, learning skills, raising situational awareness, problem solving, improvising, etc. Proper Prepper plans provide for perished preps.

If an ice age suddenly materializes before the Prepper, he'll just move south to where the green stuff still grows.

All the criminals should not know about the Prepper's stuff. If they do, he's already failed at operational security. (OPSEC) And if they do know, he should relocate himself and his stuff somewhere safer, with less criminals standing around looking at his stuff. Plus, if the Prepper has family and buddies who have a good means of self-defense, they collectively have a better chance at protecting his stuff in case of an attack.

A good Prepper is smart enough to know that an extended crisis will drain him of all of his stuff through use, and that he will need to also prepare to replace that stuff when it runs out. Good Preppers are not ignorant of this need.

The best way to achieve that is by becoming self-sufficient as much as possible with renewable food sources such as garden vegetables, grains, fruit trees and micro-livestock. With renewable food sources and other needed but renewable resources, he can then barter his excess for some other things he may not have but might need, such as medicines, ammo & fuel, if he has already run out of his own stock. Edible food & clean water will always be in need, even if every other aspect of commerce and barter fails.

Having the government confiscate your stock is a real threat that needs to be discussed. Basically, it appears that you only have two realistic options:

1. Hide your stock (& the farm) so well that they will never find them.
2. Move yourself to another jurisdiction, away from the government that is threatening to steal everything you own. Not all governments of the world are preparing to steal their subjects' farms and food stocks.

If you and your family were walking along a road one afternoon, and then you noticed that you were standing on some train tracks; then you looked up and noticed a train was coming right at you, would you desire to step out of the way, or would you rather it hit you and your family so quick that you never felt it coming?

The people who fled Hitler's, Mao's & Stalin's tyrannies, chose to get out of the way. What happened to those who ignored those trains?
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Great post.
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i can't wait to go on raiding sorties for all these "preppers" spoils
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You sound like you have a parasitic death-wish.

Tell me it's not so.
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i can't wait to go on raiding sorties for all these "preppers" spoils
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I can't wait to add you to my humanure compost pile.

Butthead troll.
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The condescending, self-righteous tone of this article irks me.

What about those who CANNOT prep much because we are barely making ends meet now??

There are an awful lot of people who are well aware of what's coming but have NO way of adequately preparing for it - that doesn't mean we live "ugly and hard" as this writer suggests...
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Unless you live in Uganda, you probably have room to shave a few dineros off your budget.

Here are a few resources to help out:

[link to frugalliving.about.com]
[link to www.frugal-living-freedom.com]
[link to www.wisebread.com]

Very few people ever bother to really explore ways to save every penny they can, as it can be a lot of work.
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i can't wait to go on raiding sorties for all these "preppers" spoils
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Can't wait to catch a raider in my crosshairs.

When you look down and see that red dot on your chest...then and only then will you understand your folly.
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if you can see me I can see you, may the best man win
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errr .... not really.
Fate whispers to the warrior

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Both the "Non-prepper" and the "prepper" will find themselves trapped in chaos faced with the exact same threats and dangers without an effective, tested and proven escape plan. Once an urban area has been shut down, and containment protocols are in place...

In that scenario chances of survival for either will be slim at best, regardless of levels of preparedness.

Thread: Welcome to the beginning of the end
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No urban area can be truly completely shut down from creative people. That's a Hollywood myth. Urban areas are very porous in most cases.

And TPTB are not omniscient.
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There are an awful lot of people who are well aware of what's coming but have NO way of adequately preparing for it - that doesn't mean we live "ugly and hard" as this writer suggests...
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Of course there is a way:

[link to www.amazon.de]

[link to www.amazon.de]

The best books available, at least in this part of the world.
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No amount of prepping will help for what is coming.
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Why worry about preparing when we can be part of the true church and be taken out of all this? Didn't God promise us that He would take care of us? The churches have fallen away, I've known that for about 30 years now. The real true church will be removed right after the antichrist is revealed. The falling away that Paul mentioned has already happened and it totally complete now. Those who have ears to ear and have heeded God's warning do not have to worry about making it through the tribulation. Repent and fill your lamps with oil now before it's too late. I tend to agree that no amount of preparing will help much when God's wrath is started to be poured out. People wake up! Time is short, get on your knees and pray, fast. Read the bible and be watching and praying, we don't know the hour the Lord will come. Be in your prepared state always from now on out. He's coming very soon, soon as in our sense of soon. Get in the ark now.
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We do not know when our Lord will return. Things could get bad for a long time before He returns for us. We cannot say that nothing bad will happen before He returns, as we simply do not know.

That's like saying that you do not need medical insurance because you know you will not get injured or sick before the Lord comes for you. You cannot know this in advance.
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Even the prepper will eventually run out of things.
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Yup...best prepare for death: )
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Even the prepper will eventually run out of things.
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That's true. The only real preparation is acquiring skills to live off the grid permanently. Just storing up food, water, meds, whatever probably isn't going to help in a LONG term or PERMANENT disaster. It's a good place to start though.
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Never go less than 50% security if you want to live. 75% is better.
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A 100% is to have a goal, despite the circumstances (which means for example, people like you).
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100% security means to have 100% of your people on guard duty at the same time. Everyone has to eat & sleep sometime, so you will have to reduce your security percentage for those activities.
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Compassion skills will be important, too.

Knowing how to calm and soothe frazzled nerves, frail egos, and fretful babes.

Knowing how to support the transition from the dieing body of a living Soul.

Knowing how to give and to receive compassion from the most unlikely of sources.

Even the frailest of hands bolster the flagging spirit of the Warrior Within.
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No it won't be horrible, even though many will think it is at the time.

It will be like boot camp for the oblivious. Some will lose it, danger will increase, food will become more valuable than any other thing, guns and bullets included. Silver will become the standard trade, but barter will be the new norm. Bicycles, motorized bikes, and motorcycles will be highly prized. People will quickly form small collectives with necessary night watches. Law and order will become immediate and final. Race and wealth as issues will disappear overnight.

Eventually, the shade tree mechanics and basement brainiaics will somehow re-invent the suspected free energy capture devices which even now circulate on the underground pathways.

People will realize what a disaster capitalism and unlimited wealth has made of the world and their own lives. Some formerly corrupt will be found and discovered. The secrets will be revealed. Mob justice may induce fear and panic amongst the elite whom like brainless boobs will attempt to retain what doesn't belong to them any longer.

Borders will become meaningless, people will begin to realize that without a billion laws and make believe divisions that we are all of one kind, and that only some few universal truths need be held for a civil society.

Hopefully, despite all the hardships which still await, hopefully I shall live to see these things before my time passes.
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Compassion skills will be important, too.

Knowing how to calm and soothe frazzled nerves, frail egos, and fretful babes.

Knowing how to support the transition from the dieing body of a living Soul.

Knowing how to give and to receive compassion from the most unlikely of sources.

Even the frailest of hands bolster the flagging spirit of the Warrior Within.
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This is very true.

Women seem to more often have this gift than men.
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Even the prepper will eventually run out of things.
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Yup...best prepare for death: )
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Why Wait? Get an early start if this is your attitude.
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I've heard that cheeks are the tastiest part of the human flesh
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I've heard that cheeks are the tastiest part of the human flesh
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Let us hope that what you've heard is only hearsay.
At any rate, cannibalism was known in WWII and the punishment is summary execution. Something to think about before you size up the tender parts of the neighbors kids.
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Ive been thinking about this, the desperate hordes of NPs. If you can secure your home, the best thing to do is starve a little and look dirty in public, appear as if you are suffering like the NPs. Line up for food and water like everyine else if its offered, no matter how much you have stored. It wont fool everyone in every situation but it will be a useful strategy to help many preppers get by and keep their supplies.

Also, get every family member familiar with a gun. Never let every adult/ young adult in the house be asleep at the same time, even if there is only two of you.
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finally others with common sense, and make sure you scatter crap around the yard, looks like you have already been raided
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All it takes... to look at person's eyes to see if they eat ok.

The most dangerous "NP" is the one that survived for more than a month.
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Will be horrific even for the prepper. The non prepper? Bend over and kiss the butt goodbye. On the upside though, the non prepper will have a faster demise than the prepper if the entire planet goes -- but I anticipate it to be more regional than global.
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I'm willing to help those who are not prepared. Do I fear for this One Life in case it back fires, no.
Right!!
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I like the sticking together option most of all.

Make plans with those who DO have a means of survival so that you can help each other.

In my personal example; I have a gun and ammo. A buddy of mine lives on an Indian reservation on a river that leads straight to the Atlantic. He has enough canoes for the two of us, a few extra folks, and plenty of supplies.
Our bug-out plan is to meet there and set off if S ever HTF.

So, if you're lacking in resources, team up with your friends so that you can help each other. Nobody is saying that you have to face the apocalypse on your own.
-GooGooFlexy-
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Will be horrific even for the prepper. The non prepper? Bend over and kiss the butt goodbye. On the upside though, the non prepper will have a faster demise than the prepper if the entire planet goes -- but I anticipate it to be more regional than global.
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I like the sticking together option most of all.

Make plans with those who DO have a means of survival so that you can help each other.

In my personal example; I have a gun and ammo. A buddy of mine lives on an Indian reservation on a river that leads straight to the Atlantic. He has enough canoes for the two of us, a few extra folks, and plenty of supplies.
Our bug-out plan is to meet there and set off if S ever HTF.

So, if you're lacking in resources, team up with your friends so that you can help each other. Nobody is saying that you have to face the apocalypse on your own.
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+1

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I like the sticking together option most of all.

Make plans with those who DO have a means of survival so that you can help each other.

In my personal example; I have a gun and ammo. A buddy of mine lives on an Indian reservation on a river that leads straight to the Atlantic. He has enough canoes for the two of us, a few extra folks, and plenty of supplies.
Our bug-out plan is to meet there and set off if S ever HTF.

So, if you're lacking in resources, team up with your friends so that you can help each other. Nobody is saying that you have to face the apocalypse on your own.
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+1

:) <3
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5a
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I like the sticking together option most of all.

Make plans with those who DO have a means of survival so that you can help each other.

In my personal example; I have a gun and ammo. A buddy of mine lives on an Indian reservation on a river that leads straight to the Atlantic. He has enough canoes for the two of us, a few extra folks, and plenty of supplies.
Our bug-out plan is to meet there and set off if S ever HTF.

So, if you're lacking in resources, team up with your friends so that you can help each other. Nobody is saying that you have to face the apocalypse on your own.
 Quoting: -GooGooFlexy-


+1

:) <3
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Agreed.

"Lone Rangers" will be incredibly vulnerable. Maybe they can live off the land, but what if they become ill or injured?
Fate whispers to the warrior

"You cannot withstand the storm"

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"I am the storm"

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Someone will always have a bigger gun than the preper/farmer does, or have more ammo. Civilization fails,we all go down.dead3
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[link to www.shtfplan.com]

This is the best article I have ever read about the importance of prepping that could be forwarded on to those who need a good wakeup call. I urge you to read the whole article and send it to those you think it might help. I did. Did even one of you get more serious after reading this?

(Less than 50% rule followed)

What horrors they will likely face after a cave-in of their nation’s economy, war, geophysical upheaval, or whatever crisis is bad enough to disturb or stop their nation from working and functioning? There are plenty of very potential SHTF events that are simply awaiting a catalyst to trigger them.

• The Non-Prepper (NP) has to realize right off the bat that 911 and other emergency calls in will be met with silence or some recording telling the caller not to panic.

•The (NP) that has no reliable self defense that can stop an attacker, will not get help from public services, and will become a victim of rape, assault, torture, or murder.

•The (NP) that has no reliable self defense and will not only be at the mercy of criminal elements, but also have to contend with many desperate animals, some with rabies.

•The (NP) that has no food will either have to find food or be ready to beg for food or worse, like sacrificing their bodies or other horrible acts or things to get a bite of food.

•The (NP) will have to go through the worst, most rancid conditions of garbage to just maybe find what they should have stored up.

•The (NP) will go through panic and near if not total psychosis looking for any water source right before their bodies begin shutting down during advanced stages of dehydration.

•The (NP) will go through unbearable trauma when their children and other people around them are crying, screaming, and suffering with intense hunger pains in their stomachs.

• The (NP) will have to deal with the awful stench of rotting wastes from many sources because they have not taken the effort to even store up waste disposal plastic bags.
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Complete BS, all a person needs is a weapon, ammo, and how to use it effectively, everything else will come, including whatever you want...
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its unfair but when something global happens, the unprepared will appreciate the help from the prepared and The prepared will help the unprepared with love, otherwise he is not prepared.

Now the unprepared are making fun of the preparing one, thatts silly shit to da bottom for me.

whatever
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Someone will always have a bigger gun than the preper/farmer does, or have more ammo. Civilization fails,we all go down.dead3
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Doesn't matter how big your weapon is if you cannot find the target or properly time the discharge.

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The simple lack of 'feminine hygiene products' is going to be disturbing, to say the least! redface
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I knew an old lady, who folded a cloth and placed it in her underwear. She had cancer and didn't know about feminine hygiene products. When I offered to buy her some, she refused.

Maybe we are spoiled so badly we can't even recognize what spoiled is anymore.

Wonder what women in Haiti did after the big quake. Surely not using leaves, they were eating them to survive.





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