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Nine Ways to Know that the Gospel of Christ is True

 
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Nine Ways to Know that the Gospel of Christ is True
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1. Jesus Christ, as he is presented to us in the New Testament, and as he stands forth from all its writings, is too single and too great to have been invented so uniformly by all these writers. The force of Jesus Christ unleashed these writings; the writings did not create the force. Jesus is far bigger and more compelling than any of his witnesses. His reality stands behind these writings as a great, global event stands behind a thousand newscasters. Something stupendous unleashed these diverse witnesses to tell these stunning and varied, yet unified, stories of Jesus Christ.



2. Nobody has ever explained the empty tomb of Jesus in the hostile environment of Jerusalem where the enemies of Jesus would have given anything to produce the corpse, but could not. The earliest attempts to cover the scandal of resurrection were manifestly contradictory to all human experience—disciples do not steal a body (Matthew 28:13) and then sacrifice their lives to preach a glorious gospel of grace on the basis of the deception. Modern theories that Jesus didn't die but swooned, and then awoke in the tomb and moved the stone and tricked his skeptical disciples into believing he was risen as the Lord of the universe don't persuade.



3. Cynical opponents of Christianity abounded where claims were made that many eyewitnesses were available to consult concerning the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. “After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep” (1 Corinthians 15:6). Such claims would be exposed as immediate falsehood if they could. But we know of no exposure. Eyewitnesses of the risen Lord abounded when the crucial claims were being made.



4. The early church was an indomitable force of faith and love and sacrifice on the basis of the reality of Jesus Christ. The character of this church, and the nature of the gospel of grace and forgiveness, and the undaunted courage of men and women—even unto death—do not fit the hypothesis of mass hysteria. They simply were not like that. Something utterly real and magnificent had happened in the world and they were close enough to know it, and be assured of it, and be gripped by its power. That something was Jesus Christ, as all of them testified, even as they died singing.



5. The prophesies of the Old Testament find stunning fulfillment in the history of Jesus Christ. The witness to these fulfillments are too many, too diverse, too subtle and too interwoven into the history of the New Testament church and its many writings to be fabricated by some great conspiracy. Down to the details, Jesus Christ fulfilled dozens of Old Testament prophecies that vindicate his truth.



6. The witnesses to Jesus Christ who wrote the New Testament gospels and letters are not gullible or deceitful or demented. This is manifest from the writings themselves. The books bear the marks of intelligence and clear-headedness and maturity and a moral vision that is compelling. They win our trust as witnesses, especially when all taken together with one great unifying, but distinctively told, message about Jesus Christ.



7. The worldview that emerges from the writings of the New Testament makes more sense out of more reality than any other worldview. It not only fits the human heart, but also the cosmos and history and God as he reveals himself in nature and conscience. Some may come to this conclusion after much reflection, others may arrive at this conviction by a pre-reflective, intuitive sense of the deep suitability of Christ and his message to the world that they know.



8. When one sees Christ as he is portrayed truly in the gospel, there shines forth a spiritual light that is a self-authenticating. This is “the light of the knowledge of the glory of God” (2 Corinthians 4:6), and it is as immediately perceived by the Spirit-awakened heart as light is perceived by the open eye. The eye does not argue that there is light. It sees light.



9. When we see and believe the glory of God in the gospel, the Holy Spirit is given to us so that the love of God might be “poured out in our hearts” (Romans 5:5). This experience of the love of God known in the heart through the gospel of Him who died for us while we were yet ungodly assures us that the hope awakened by all the evidences we have seen will not disappoint us.



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You convinced me, I always thought Jezus was an asshole, but now I know better.

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when u open your heart to god the holy spirit tAlks to you. true story bro
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Thank you :)
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1. Jesus Christ, as he is presented to us in the New Testament, and as he stands forth from all its writings, is too single and too great to have been invented so uniformly by all these writers. The force of Jesus Christ unleashed these writings; the writings did not create the force. Jesus is far bigger and more compelling than any of his witnesses. His reality stands behind these writings as a great, global event stands behind a thousand newscasters. Something stupendous unleashed these diverse witnesses to tell these stunning and varied, yet unified, stories of Jesus Christ.



2. Nobody has ever explained the empty tomb of Jesus in the hostile environment of Jerusalem where the enemies of Jesus would have given anything to produce the corpse, but could not. The earliest attempts to cover the scandal of resurrection were manifestly contradictory to all human experience—disciples do not steal a body (Matthew 28:13) and then sacrifice their lives to preach a glorious gospel of grace on the basis of the deception. Modern theories that Jesus didn't die but swooned, and then awoke in the tomb and moved the stone and tricked his skeptical disciples into believing he was risen as the Lord of the universe don't persuade.



3. Cynical opponents of Christianity abounded where claims were made that many eyewitnesses were available to consult concerning the resurrection of Jesus from the dead. “After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep” (1 Corinthians 15:6). Such claims would be exposed as immediate falsehood if they could. But we know of no exposure. Eyewitnesses of the risen Lord abounded when the crucial claims were being made.



4. The early church was an indomitable force of faith and love and sacrifice on the basis of the reality of Jesus Christ. The character of this church, and the nature of the gospel of grace and forgiveness, and the undaunted courage of men and women—even unto death—do not fit the hypothesis of mass hysteria. They simply were not like that. Something utterly real and magnificent had happened in the world and they were close enough to know it, and be assured of it, and be gripped by its power. That something was Jesus Christ, as all of them testified, even as they died singing.



5. The prophesies of the Old Testament find stunning fulfillment in the history of Jesus Christ. The witness to these fulfillments are too many, too diverse, too subtle and too interwoven into the history of the New Testament church and its many writings to be fabricated by some great conspiracy. Down to the details, Jesus Christ fulfilled dozens of Old Testament prophecies that vindicate his truth.



6. The witnesses to Jesus Christ who wrote the New Testament gospels and letters are not gullible or deceitful or demented. This is manifest from the writings themselves. The books bear the marks of intelligence and clear-headedness and maturity and a moral vision that is compelling. They win our trust as witnesses, especially when all taken together with one great unifying, but distinctively told, message about Jesus Christ.



7. The worldview that emerges from the writings of the New Testament makes more sense out of more reality than any other worldview. It not only fits the human heart, but also the cosmos and history and God as he reveals himself in nature and conscience. Some may come to this conclusion after much reflection, others may arrive at this conviction by a pre-reflective, intuitive sense of the deep suitability of Christ and his message to the world that they know.



8. When one sees Christ as he is portrayed truly in the gospel, there shines forth a spiritual light that is a self-authenticating. This is “the light of the knowledge of the glory of God” (2 Corinthians 4:6), and it is as immediately perceived by the Spirit-awakened heart as light is perceived by the open eye. The eye does not argue that there is light. It sees light.



9. When we see and believe the glory of God in the gospel, the Holy Spirit is given to us so that the love of God might be “poured out in our hearts” (Romans 5:5). This experience of the love of God known in the heart through the gospel of Him who died for us while we were yet ungodly assures us that the hope awakened by all the evidences we have seen will not disappoint us.



[link to trueorigin.org]
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1. No, he wasn't all that "great". Most of his "miracles" were magic tricks. If he was a "god" he would have healed amputees, or ended wars, or would have appeared in hundreds of places at once, not just the deserts of Palestine.

2. There are too many contradictory and conflicting events in the gospels to take any of them seriously. This heavily altered "books" were put into Bible form 300 years after Jesus died. What the hell were Christians believing until then. (300 years is a long time, It's longer than the age of the United States.)

3. No. You've got it backwards. Critics aside, the people making the claims of Jesus's resurrection should have lots of documentation, but there is none. One guy claiming that "hundreds" of other people claimed to see Jesus alive after his crucifixion is no different that someone saying he "knows a guy who knows a guy who saw it with his own eyes." That's the start of urban legend and it's not very reliable.

4. Delusion is more common than you think. And delusion in a time of ignorance is easy to come by. Primitive thinking (which was the norm 2000 years ago), was everywhere. Only the occasional spark of genius, despite all the religious delusion, is what got us to where we are today.

5. Forcing prophecy isn't really fulfilling anything. Deliberately riding a donkey into the city to "fulfill" the requirement is silly. Today, that forcing of prophecy is downright dangerous, with loony Christians trying to bring about Armageddon by supporting war in the Middle East. Furthermore, there are many many instances of what some Christians call prophecy fulfillment and yet they simply are misinterpreting lines that are either vague or clearly refer to ancient Jewish (only) related events.

6. Perhaps the writers of the gospels and letters are not "gullible or deceitful or demented", but they are confused. They can't seem to match up the stories. As eyewitnesses their vision is poor. Time and time again their stories are quite different from one another. It's as if they weren't even there, but heard about it all from someone who heard about it from someone who heard about it from someone....

7. Jesus's message is flawed beyond repair. Despite a few nice things he said, there are many more ridiculous, ignorant and dangerous things he says. His ideas on thought crimes and the ways to deal with such are ludicrous. He seems to think the body controls the mind instead of what science has proven: that the mind controls the body. Jesus would have you pluck out your eyes, remove your limbs, get castrated, etc., just to avoid lust -- lust being a natural part of the human experience. You'd think a creator god would have creating things differently if he found those things to be so offensive.

8. Here you just have platitudes and nothing more. Jesus is no more a beacon of light than an insect is the King of Egypt.

9. The "love" you have is made up from your own mind. It's a false and fake love if you really believe that you "love" everyone on earth. You don't. And, unfortunately for you, you don't know what love really is.
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4. Delusion is more common than you think. And delusion in a time of ignorance is easy to come by. Primitive thinking (which was the norm 2000 years ago), was everywhere. Only the occasional spark of genius, despite all the religious delusion, is what got us to where we are today.
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Yea, that whole, "All men are created equal" and "inalienable human rights" thing was a major hang-up. What a shame we still have that dogma hanging over us. :P
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4. Delusion is more common than you think. And delusion in a time of ignorance is easy to come by. Primitive thinking (which was the norm 2000 years ago), was everywhere. Only the occasional spark of genius, despite all the religious delusion, is what got us to where we are today.
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Yea, that whole, "All men are created equal" and "inalienable human rights" thing was a major hang-up. What a shame we still have that dogma hanging over us. :P
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Jesus doesn't get any credit for "All men are created equal" and "inalienable human rights". That would be the Founding Fathers of the United States of America less than 300 years ago. Ideas your Christian fathers did everything they could to suppress for 1700 years prior.
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4. Delusion is more common than you think. And delusion in a time of ignorance is easy to come by. Primitive thinking (which was the norm 2000 years ago), was everywhere. Only the occasional spark of genius, despite all the religious delusion, is what got us to where we are today.
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Yea, that whole, "All men are created equal" and "inalienable human rights" thing was a major hang-up. What a shame we still have that dogma hanging over us. :P
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Jesus doesn't get any credit for "All men are created equal" and "inalienable human rights". That would be the Founding Fathers of the United States of America less than 300 years ago. Ideas your Christian fathers did everything they could to suppress for 1700 years prior.
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Might want to go a little bit further back than that :P

Wave hello to the Magna Carta on the way and keep going till you arrive at the source, and that is the utter belief that Man's Universal Rights come from GOD.
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4. Delusion is more common than you think. And delusion in a time of ignorance is easy to come by. Primitive thinking (which was the norm 2000 years ago), was everywhere. Only the occasional spark of genius, despite all the religious delusion, is what got us to where we are today.
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Yea, that whole, "All men are created equal" and "inalienable human rights" thing was a major hang-up. What a shame we still have that dogma hanging over us. :P
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


Jesus doesn't get any credit for "All men are created equal" and "inalienable human rights". That would be the Founding Fathers of the United States of America less than 300 years ago. Ideas your Christian fathers did everything they could to suppress for 1700 years prior.
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Might want to go a little bit further back than that :P

Wave hello to the Magna Carta on the way and keep going till you arrive at the source, and that is the utter belief that Man's Universal Rights come from GOD.
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Sorry, but the Magna Carta was about PROPERTY rights. I've actually read it. Have you?

Man's Universal Rights cannot come from a god that condones slavery (as yours does). You can CLAIM that your freedom comes from god, but that doesn't make it any more true than you claiming to be a leprachaun.
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4. Delusion is more common than you think. And delusion in a time of ignorance is easy to come by. Primitive thinking (which was the norm 2000 years ago), was everywhere. Only the occasional spark of genius, despite all the religious delusion, is what got us to where we are today.
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Yea, that whole, "All men are created equal" and "inalienable human rights" thing was a major hang-up. What a shame we still have that dogma hanging over us. :P
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Jesus doesn't get any credit for "All men are created equal" and "inalienable human rights". That would be the Founding Fathers of the United States of America less than 300 years ago. Ideas your Christian fathers did everything they could to suppress for 1700 years prior.
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"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal. Endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights such as life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Yeah your right, not one word about Jebus. Not even a mention of the Hebrew/Christian god. Seems more like the people who wrote this had a very inclusive free masonic view about religion.
No. Surely not, not the guys who wrote that?
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Plus OP, you cited nothing but the bible in your rant. Thats not going to convince any of us. Its not that we havent read it and are yet to discover the glory of christ. Its that we know that it is what it is, "The Greatest Story Ever TOLD".
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Sorry, but the Magna Carta was about PROPERTY rights. I've actually read it. Have you?

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Are you claiming that the right to own property comes before the right to your own person?

Who exactly is in ownership of the property?
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Sorry, but the Magna Carta was about PROPERTY rights. I've actually read it. Have you?

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Are you claiming that the right to own property comes before the right to your own person?

Who exactly is in ownership of the property?
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Property rights in the Western World came about BEFORE the Universal Rights of Man. And human beings could be considered property back then. So, the "rights of men" back then meant the rights of very specific men (and only men.) Haven't you ever taken a history class?
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and one way to know your book is dribble...

1- WRITEN BAY MAN
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Sorry, but the Magna Carta was about PROPERTY rights. I've actually read it. Have you?

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Are you claiming that the right to own property comes before the right to your own person?

Who exactly is in ownership of the property?
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Property rights in the Western World came about BEFORE the Universal Rights of Man. And human beings could be considered property back then. So, the "rights of men" back then meant the rights of very specific men (and only men.) Haven't you ever taken a history class?
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What you're simply labeling Property Rights, is men declaring freedom from tyranny. Not by overthrowing the King, but by declaring as a maxim of law, that they have the Right to a significant measure of freedom, no matter what any King says, period. The Law of the Land is of a higher authority than the King.

Why you are describing this as simply Property Rights is beyond me unless your intentionally obfuscating.

Yes there were slaves and serfs. Nobody said it was perfect. What's your point?
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and one way to know your book is dribble...

1- WRITEN BAY MAN
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Man put the pen to paper.

What influenced Man to do so?
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if the whole bible/jesus thing is true, it's one seriously messed up mind game.
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:) TY for posting OP. Very well thought out thread. +1

hf
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:) TY for posting OP. Very well thought out thread. +1

hf
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lol Was going to give you +1 but you are AC. 5 stars for the thread.
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:) TY for posting OP. Very well thought out thread. +1

hf
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Ah, Thanks but I am not the author :) Just stumbled upon it and thought it was some beautiful logical explanations for Christ and figured I would share.
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