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| Duh, it's cement! User ID: 13338785  United States06/11/2012 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17435359 United States06/11/2012 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You don't need just 'significant' magnesium; you need equal magnesium to that calcium in order for it to be of any use at all. And we get that the same place cows are supposed to get it: eating greens. Because government is in hock to agri-business, most notably the dairy industry, it is suppressing the information that the countries with the highest numbers of cases of osteoporosis are those with the heaviest dairy consumption - and regular calcium supplementation. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 13338785 United States06/11/2012 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | your right, you need to have MORE magnesium than calcium and this idea that people should be taking 1,000 to 1,200mg's a day is not only stupid, it's dangerous one thing the study proving this dramatic increase in heart attack doesn't address: similar increases in stroke and dementia - people are literally cementing themselves taking the wrong type of calcium You don't need just 'significant' magnesium; you need equal magnesium to that calcium in order for it to be of any use at all. And we get that the same place cows are supposed to get it: eating greens. Because government is in hock to agri-business, most notably the dairy industry, it is suppressing the information that the countries with the highest numbers of cases of osteoporosis are those with the heaviest dairy consumption - and regular calcium supplementation. Quoting: Sweetshrub |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17435359 United States06/11/2012 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | your right, you need to have MORE magnesium than calcium Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13338785 and this idea that people should be taking 1,000 to 1,200mg's a day is not only stupid, it's dangerous one thing the study proving this dramatic increase in heart attack doesn't address: similar increases in stroke and dementia - people are literally cementing themselves taking the wrong type of calcium I remember even thirty years ago, a doctor telling me that calcium pills will show up in an X-ray! Scary. Someone put a thread in here yesterday about milk and all the nasty crap that's in it that was very good. Thread: Milk - It contains more than you think. On that rense link, what bothered me the most was seeing how much money was being spent in advertising campaigns to get more of this pus-laden crap into school children, through the school lunch programs. BTW, if you too are taking any supplements, where are you getting yours? As you're a licensed nutritionist, I know we'd like to get a recommendation from you about what type we should be searching for. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17435359 United States06/11/2012 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was told to take vitamin D pills with my calcium supplement, its supposed to make the calcium go to the bones! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14685602 told by my doctor! Go stand outside naked in the morning sun - and flip a bird to the google cameras whilst you're at it. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16383845 Australia06/11/2012 03:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Strontium mi makes calcium. Ensures the Bones are stronger. Selenium, in also excellent. Linked to anti-cancer. Calcium is the truck of all minerals Boron is the steering wheel. With Vitamin D and herbs and vitamin C is one powerfull packed punch , when was the last time 'you' did somwthing for your body.  |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 13338785 United States06/11/2012 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I take and recommend a whole food calcium called Calcium from the Sea, great calcium, more magnesium, lots of trace minerals and digestive enzymes...plus, I know the company that makes it so I know what the label says is what is actually in it...if you go to the Harmonic link I put in the original thread, it's there... your right, you need to have MORE magnesium than calcium Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13338785 and this idea that people should be taking 1,000 to 1,200mg's a day is not only stupid, it's dangerous one thing the study proving this dramatic increase in heart attack doesn't address: similar increases in stroke and dementia - people are literally cementing themselves taking the wrong type of calcium I remember even thirty years ago, a doctor telling me that calcium pills will show up in an X-ray! Scary. Someone put a thread in here yesterday about milk and all the nasty crap that's in it that was very good. Thread: Milk - It contains more than you think. On that rense link, what bothered me the most was seeing how much money was being spent in advertising campaigns to get more of this pus-laden crap into school children, through the school lunch programs. BTW, if you too are taking any supplements, where are you getting yours? As you're a licensed nutritionist, I know we'd like to get a recommendation from you about what type we should be searching for. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17503266 United States06/11/2012 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | your right, you need to have MORE magnesium than calcium Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13338785 and this idea that people should be taking 1,000 to 1,200mg's a day is not only stupid, it's dangerous one thing the study proving this dramatic increase in heart attack doesn't address: similar increases in stroke and dementia - people are literally cementing themselves taking the wrong type of calcium I remember even thirty years ago, a doctor telling me that calcium pills will show up in an X-ray! Scary. Someone put a thread in here yesterday about milk and all the nasty crap that's in it that was very good. Thread: Milk - It contains more than you think. On that rense link, what bothered me the most was seeing how much money was being spent in advertising campaigns to get more of this pus-laden crap into school children, through the school lunch programs. BTW, if you too are taking any supplements, where are you getting yours? As you're a licensed nutritionist, I know we'd like to get a recommendation from you about what type we should be searching for. dairy is being pushed, as is calcium supplements in food to equal dairy, because of the PHOSPHATES. YOU BEST WATCH thoses, because the calcium binds the Phosphates into your soft tissues causing arthritis AND fibromyalgia which is an excess of phosphate that the kidneys cannot excrete. Of you have lots of little lumps under your skin, feel like little hard rocks, guess what, get the fuck off phosphated foods. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17755113  South Africa06/11/2012 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was told to take vitamin D pills with my calcium supplement, its supposed to make the calcium go to the bones! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14685602 told by my doctor! Go stand outside naked in the morning sun - and flip a bird to the google cameras whilst you're at it. This.^ |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17786106 United States06/11/2012 05:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of you have lots of little lumps under your skin, feel like little hard rocks, guess what, get the fuck off phosphated foods. Could you point to a link for this or a name for this type of disorder. I do have lumps under my skin, but i dont know what it from, i want to do some reading on this, thanks |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17787809 United States06/11/2012 05:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what the article fails to tell you is that most magnesium sold is Magnesium Oxide. It only has a 4 percent absorption rate because it has to have a chemical reaction inside your body to work. so you are wasting 95 percent of the magnesium pill. You need Magnesium Chloride because it does not need to have a reaction inside the body to work. It goes right to work. Has a high absorption rate. The best is Magnesium spray and to absorb it through the skin. |
| Axx User ID: 568542 United States06/11/2012 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a calcium supplement is fine as long as it is taken with a higher amount of magnesium Quoting: Anonymous Coward 636900 example 100/200 200/400 etc.... NO IT"S NOT Most sups are either coral or oyster shell - both bio-unavailable. They just go in and clog vital organs as OP describes like cement & rocks. We get our calcium in usable form from plants. The plants and vegetation get cal from the soil & rocks. |
| Axx User ID: 568542 United States06/11/2012 05:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what the article fails to tell you is that most magnesium sold is Magnesium Oxide. It only has a 4 percent absorption rate because it has to have a chemical reaction inside your body to work. so you are wasting 95 percent of the magnesium pill. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17787809 You need Magnesium Chloride because it does not need to have a reaction inside the body to work. It goes right to work. Has a high absorption rate. The best is Magnesium spray and to absorb it through the skin. The best mag is found in plant chlorophyll. The highest is found in chocolate and chlorella & spirulina. But just any veggies such as broccoli or spinach, bell peppers, ect, all have chlorophyll rich in mag. |
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| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 13338785 United States06/12/2012 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you are correct but their are some new supp's out that use algae/seaweed as the source for the calcium AND have more mag than cal AND have all of the other things - D, etc... - that you need this is the one i've been recommending and taking for years: [link to www.harmonicinnerprizes.com (secure)] all of the ones i've seen using this new source of whole food calcium still don't have enough mag - which is still going to cause all sort's of problems step 1 - absorb the calcium into the blood step 2 - deposit calcium into the bone if you don't get it into the bone you are in big trouble (see my original post) Most sups are either coral or oyster shell - both bio-unavailable. They just go in and clog vital organs as OP describes like cement & rocks. We get our calcium in usable form from plants. The plants and vegetation get cal from the soil & rocks. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1266993 United States06/12/2012 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I get so damn mad when I see cal/mag supplements with 2x calcium as magnesium. Being a certified nutritionist, I've known about this major problem for 20+ years, but now there is scientific proof that if you are going to take a calcium supplement, you better make sure you get the right one: Quoting: Duh, it's cement! 13338785 [link to www.harmonicinnerprizes.com (secure)] (snip) Is Your Calcium Supplement Killing You? Chances are – IT IS! by Patrick Bailey The May 23rd issue of Science News cites 5 different calcium research studies that clearly show the parallel between increased calcium supplementation and the dramatic rise in female heart attacks. [link to www.sciencedaily.com] The biological pathways of calcium metabolism have been known since the early 80s. And yet probably 90% off all calcium supplements manufactured ignore this biological truth. “If calcium is consumed without significant amounts of magnesium, the calcium will be deposited on the soft tissues of the body and not into the bone matrix”. So these calcium products will not improve your skeletal integrity in the slightest, and as Science News correctly reports could very possibly leave you in the emergency room with a heart attack. Back in the late 70s, researchers noted that cultures without a history of skeletal diseases and very low incidents of cardiovascular diseases ate diets where the amount of dietary magnesium always exceeded calcium. In our culture, the opposite is true. We eat diets where calcium dominates magnesium by at least 2:1 and hence degenerative skeletal disease affects 80% of all Americans over 65 and cardiovascular disease is our #1 killer. Dr. Guy Abraham, MD brilliantly examined the biological pathways of calcium/magnesium metabolism and published his article “The Calcium Controversy” in the Journal of Applied Nutrition in November of 1982. In this landmark report, Dr. Abraham states that the cellular uptake of calcium is dependent on two hormones; parathyroid hormone (PHT) and calcitonin (CT). PHT increases the bone resorption by stimulating osteoclasts thereby removing calcium from the bone and PHT favors the uptake of calcium into soft tissue (like heart muscles). By contrast, CT increases the deposit of calcium in the bone matrix and blocks cellular uptake of calcium in soft tissue. Magnesium stimulates the production of CT, while it suppresses the production of PHT. So it is clear that if your calcium supplement doesn’t have the necessary levels of magnesium you are not preventing degenerative skeletal diseases and you are creating the conditions for a heart attack or a myriad of other degenerative diseases involving the hardening of soft tissue. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17435359 United States06/12/2012 03:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you are correct Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13338785 but their are some new supp's out that use algae/seaweed as the source for the calcium AND have more mag than cal AND have all of the other things - D, etc... - that you need this is the one i've been recommending and taking for years: [link to www.harmonicinnerprizes.com (secure)] all of the ones i've seen using this new source of whole food calcium still don't have enough mag - which is still going to cause all sort's of problems step 1 - absorb the calcium into the blood step 2 - deposit calcium into the bone if you don't get it into the bone you are in big trouble (see my original post) Most sups are either coral or oyster shell - both bio-unavailable. They just go in and clog vital organs as OP describes like cement & rocks. We get our calcium in usable form from plants. The plants and vegetation get cal from the soil & rocks. Thanks for the link! Interesting site. They have 'etherium gold' too, for mental clarity. I noticed Vitacost online has some of their supplements too, a relief to those of us on a tight budget who use that site regularly. I eat raw vegan now and I'm going to have to supplement because I can't get enough safe produce to buy - unless I drive about 130 miles. What with the price of gas, it's cheaper to order online to fill in the nutritional gaps. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 13338785 United States06/12/2012 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No problem, I am on a mission re: telling as many as I know about this calcium dilemma. When the average - i.e. woman - consumer finds out about this, all the idiot doctors and nutritionists that have been pushing this bad advice better run for the hills! you are correct Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13338785 but their are some new supp's out that use algae/seaweed as the source for the calcium AND have more mag than cal AND have all of the other things - D, etc... - that you need this is the one i've been recommending and taking for years: [link to www.harmonicinnerprizes.com (secure)] all of the ones i've seen using this new source of whole food calcium still don't have enough mag - which is still going to cause all sort's of problems step 1 - absorb the calcium into the blood step 2 - deposit calcium into the bone if you don't get it into the bone you are in big trouble (see my original post) Most sups are either coral or oyster shell - both bio-unavailable. They just go in and clog vital organs as OP describes like cement & rocks. We get our calcium in usable form from plants. The plants and vegetation get cal from the soil & rocks. Thanks for the link! Interesting site. They have 'etherium gold' too, for mental clarity. I noticed Vitacost online has some of their supplements too, a relief to those of us on a tight budget who use that site regularly. I eat raw vegan now and I'm going to have to supplement because I can't get enough safe produce to buy - unless I drive about 130 miles. What with the price of gas, it's cheaper to order online to fill in the nutritional gaps. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 8183941 United States06/12/2012 04:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | your right, you need to have MORE magnesium than calcium Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13338785 and this idea that people should be taking 1,000 to 1,200mg's a day is not only stupid, it's dangerous one thing the study proving this dramatic increase in heart attack doesn't address: similar increases in stroke and dementia - people are literally cementing themselves taking the wrong type of calcium I remember even thirty years ago, a doctor telling me that calcium pills will show up in an X-ray! Scary. Someone put a thread in here yesterday about milk and all the nasty crap that's in it that was very good. Thread: Milk - It contains more than you think. On that rense link, what bothered me the most was seeing how much money was being spent in advertising campaigns to get more of this pus-laden crap into school children, through the school lunch programs. BTW, if you too are taking any supplements, where are you getting yours? As you're a licensed nutritionist, I know we'd like to get a recommendation from you about what type we should be searching for. dairy is being pushed, as is calcium supplements in food to equal dairy, because of the PHOSPHATES. YOU BEST WATCH thoses, because the calcium binds the Phosphates into your soft tissues causing arthritis AND fibromyalgia which is an excess of phosphate that the kidneys cannot excrete. Of you have lots of little lumps under your skin, feel like little hard rocks, guess what, get the fuck off phosphated foods. True, calcium is used as a phosphate binder...at the same time, calcium carbonate -such as caltrate- before a meal will bind with phosphates, and not allow for absorption. |
| Vision Thing
User ID: 75064396 United States07/30/2017 01:02 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what the article fails to tell you is that most magnesium sold is Magnesium Oxide. It only has a 4 percent absorption rate because it has to have a chemical reaction inside your body to work. so you are wasting 95 percent of the magnesium pill. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17787809 You need Magnesium Chloride because it does not need to have a reaction inside the body to work. It goes right to work. Has a high absorption rate. The best is Magnesium spray and to absorb it through the skin. I used the liquid magnesium chloride for a long time, made my own from magnesium chloride crystals, it's cheap. Didn't use it externally much. It is not convenient to take internally because it tastes bitter and terrible and you have to have things on hand to cover up the taste. I never really started getting the benefits of magnesium until I started buying magnesium citrate powder, you can mix that with plain water to get it down, it just tastes faintly tart and that's all. All the other kinds of magnesium I tried were too expensive to use enough of to make a difference, or were too bitter like magnesium chloride. You are right about magnesium oxide and it's a shame that that's the form of magnesium in pretty much every multiple vitamin. I've avoided that from any source for many years. |
