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Smoking Helps PROTECT Against Lung Cancer

 
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I agree, smoking does not cause lung cancer. But what about COPD? Emphysema? Cardiovascular disease? Too bad it doesn't protect against that! Would be nice if smoking cigs was a harmless thing to do. Just sharin'...
 Quoting: ctruth333


Did you know the radiation from that cell phone you are holding in your avatar has been linked to cancer? In fact, the World Health Organization now lists mobile phone use in the same "carcinogenic hazard" category as lead, engine exhaust and chloroform. But I bet you won't give that up just because there are known health risks. We all have our vices.

There are very few things in this world that are healthy for us anymore so I say SMOKE 'EM IF YOU'VE GOT 'EM! We all gotta die somehow (incidentally my great-grandfather smoked a pack a day and lived to be 102 so I've got good genes on my side! lol)

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Exactly, I come from a long line of aged smokers, my grandpop smoked like a train for 50 years with one lung, he lost it to tb, also a heavy smoker myself, I also do yoga breathing when I don't smoke, 50 still fit, last blood O2 was 99%, higher than non smokers, nicotine has beneficial effects on the brain, n wtf is covid to a smoker...alkaloids are fantastic, every human should be on them, I find they also help the Karen at bay lol
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Yeah, and fucking preserves virginity...
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Your a preservation of Virginity!
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At least a model against procreation
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Yeah, and fucking preserves virginity...
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Your a preservation of Virginity!
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At least a model against procreation
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Excuse me sir, can please remove your penis from that goat?I need to see your breeding licence
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and if you do smoke use a zippo, then they know you really mean it
All glory and honor to my lord and savior Jesus Christ
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I agree, smoking does not cause lung cancer. But what about COPD? Emphysema? Cardiovascular disease? Too bad it doesn't protect against that! Would be nice if smoking cigs was a harmless thing to do. Just sharin'...
 Quoting: ctruth333


"Medical opinion concerning emphysema has had an interesting history. My 1973 edition of "Diagnosis and Treatment" (a standard medical textbook), states that emphysema is a disease which involves destruction of the alveolar (lung) tissue but that the cause is unknown, although "many doctors" think it is caused by "cigarette smoking". In 1973, Chromic Pulmonary Obstructive Disease (COPD) had not yet been invented. COPD, while now discussed at length in modern medical textbooks, did not exist in 1973.

By 1992, it becomes still more politically imperative to blame smoking for COPD and emphysema. In the 16th Edition of the Manual (1992), it is explained that, yes, emphysema is caused by destruction of lung tissue, caused by an unchecked enzyme. We are told, however, that smoking lowers the body's defenses to the enzyme. No evidence or authority is cited for that proposition.

Thus, we are left with confusing conclusions. We have a new disease, COPD, the exact cause of which is unknown (indeed, the definition of the disease is vague; it seems to be a case of "this patient has something wrong with his lungs, but we don't know exactly what"). Cigarette smoking is thought to play a role; yet the 16th Edition makes it clear that many cigarette smokers never develop the disease, and the authors do not know why. I submit that the reason is very simple: smoking does not cause emphysema."
[link to www.lcolby.com]

Small excerpt from a really good book that outlines the bias against smokers and tobacco and how we have all been lied to.
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they won't tell you but it is caused by diesel fumes.
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why do you guys argue with brief

He is a self righteous prick that is never wrong, so save your breath.
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I love smoking. But I always feel better when I don't smoke. Perhaps they add something to cigarettes now that makes them harmful.
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Here are few beneficial effects of organic tobacco smoke (most not due to
nicotine):

1. Upregulates glutathione (by 80%), catalase and SOD (by 100%).

2. Selective MAO B inhibition (by 40%), much safer and more harmonious
with overall biochemistry than via selegiline. Smokers in their 50s
have MAO B of non-smokers in their 20s.

3. Dopamine (throughout the body, including brain), acetylcholine and
norepinephrine are also stimulated directly (protective & therapeutic
for ADD, Tourette, anxiety, depression, schizophrenia).

4. Upregulates pregnenolone, DHEA and testosterone and slows down
their decline with age (protective against endometrial cancer &
endometriosis).

5. Upregulates telomerase and suppresses apoptosis (protects against
Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, also via 1,2 & 3; e.g. resulting in tenfold
lowered rates for early onset Alzheimer's, twelvefold for early
Parkinson's; protective in strokes & spinal injuries).

6. Upregulates vascular growth factor (via nicotine CO, NO).

7. Provides CoQ10 (which is even manufactured from tobacco) & niacin
directly into arterial bloodstream.

8. Upregulates neutrophiles (by 20%)

9. Reduces appetite and increase basal metabolism.

10. Suppresses amyloidosis throughout tissues, not just brain

12. Improves insulin sensitivity, protects against & alleviates
diabetes.

13. Anti-inflammatory effects at multiple levels, from T-cells through
CNS vagus/'cholinergic anti-inflammatory' pathway (therapeutic &
protective against asthma, allergies, ulcerative colitis, IBD, colon
cancer, apthous ulcers, arthritis, pre-eclampsia, endotoxemia,
polymicrobial sepsis...)

14. Downregulates IGF-1

15. Downregulates NF-kB

16. Upregulates bFGF (basic fibroblast growth factor) and MMPs
(expression of several matrix metalloproteinases)

17. Increases BDNF (brain-derived neurotrophic factor) expression

18. Reduces TNF-alpha and increases adiponectin (adipocyte effects)

... and so on.

The net effect is that smoking animals (such as mice, rats, hamsters,
dogs,... even those smoking at 5+ packs/day equivalents) live about
20% longer, stay 10-15% thinner and sharper throughout. Smokers are
over-represented among supercentenarians and, among others the oldest
man and the oldest women ever were smokers (the only two humans who
lived over 120). The current oldest man is also a lifelong smoker. The
oldest marathon runner (completed London marathon at age 101) even
smoked few cigarettes during the marathon.

After 6+ decades of massive efforts to demonstrate experimentally any
harm at all from inhalation of tobacco smoke, pharma sponsored
antismoking researchers still don't know how to shorten the lifespans
of test animals via inhalation of tobacco smoke, short of gross smoke
asphixiation (you could cause same kind of overdose harm with plain
water and it's easier to overdose on water than on tobacco smoke).

The entire antismoking "science" (sponsored and publicised mainly by
Big Pharma, which battles and suppresses as much as it can all other
natural & folk medicines as well) rests entirely on blind statistical
correlations on non-randomized (self-selected subjects) samples of
smoking with 'smoking related diseases'. Such non-randomized
correlations are equally consistent with beneficial and causal role of
tobacco smoke in those diseases. This is no different than observing
that people using statins or blood pressure medications will have more
heart attacks than those not using them. Or that people wearing
sunglasses will have more sunburns and skin cancers thn those not
wearing them. Sunglasses are merely a statistical marker for sun
exposure. Similarly, use of tobacco smoke is a proxy for any exposure
or biochemical/genetic malfunction for which the enumerated effects
are protective and therapeutic.

For example, the upregulation of the main internal antixoidants &
detox enzymes (1), implies that tobacco smoking will protect against
and alleviate the harmful effects of most industrial and environmental
toxins, hence people suffering such toxic exposures, or those
especially sensitive to them, would perceive tangible benefits from
smoking due to doubled detox rates (this has been experimentally
verified animal experiments and observed in human studies), thus they
would smoke more than general population, resulting thus in
statistical correlations with diseases (e.g. lung cancer, copd) caused
by the very same toxins against which tobacco smoke is protective.

See references & further discussions here:

[link to forum.grasscity.com (secure)]
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Just got done reading through the majority of this thread,
and I think they key point most of you are missing is this:

There is a major difference between

standard store bought cigarettes

and

hand rolled organic tobacco.


One is poison, the other has medicinal benefits.

Yes, smoking kills.

Smoking kills because people are lazy and buy their tobacco from the gas station.

Gas station tobacco is riddles with all kinds of unnecessary additives.

It is bullshit. bsflag

However, pure organic tobacco is a very different story.

Organic agriculture is produced much differently
than non-organic agriculture.

You can't just throw all these tobacco(s) in the same category, you need to see the clear difference between the two.

If you know someone who buys their smokes from the gas station, then yea they might have some major concerns.

However, organic tobacco is quite a different story as it untouched and a pure medicine of nature.

Tobacco has been historically know to cleanse and purify things. Why is this?
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smoking1

Fkn legittt cruise I do pull-ups while smoking. It does make exercise harder, but, hahahafafafa while I'm.in this realm I'm smoking, there ain't no cigs in Heaven or hell
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That explains why my mother -the only smoker in the family- died of lung, then bone cancer at 58...despite being a fit ladies and doubles tennis champion at the time.
No other direct family members have had any form of cancer. All of her non-smoker sisters and brother outlived her by 3 to 4 decades. /S.

Addicts will grasp for any and every mirage to justify their destructive addictions.

bullshit

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American Spirits cigarettes are the most natural tobacco cigs on the market that I have found.
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smoking reduces the number of pregnancies from making men impotent
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American Spirits cigarettes are the most natural tobacco cigs on the market that I have found.
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thats what i buy- tobacco and water is all thats in them but holy fuck they are almost twice the price of other smokes
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American Spirits cigarettes are the most natural tobacco cigs on the market that I have found.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78736870


thats what i buy- tobacco and water is all thats in them but holy fuck they are almost twice the price of other smokes
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79724200


I know. Just try to smoke a little less during the week and the cost is the same. I only smoke @ 2-3 cigarettes a day and 1/3 of the cig is all I need at one time. I put the used cig back in the pack and finish it when I'm ready for more.
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Maybe I should take up smoking again. Burt Mustin lived to around 95 and he smoked all the time.
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...and helps mitigate against Covid and respiratory illnesses.





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