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A REMINDER: Iran warns of preemptive strike to prevent attack on nuclear sites

 
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A REMINDER: Iran warns of preemptive strike to prevent attack on nuclear sites
Iran warns of preemptive strike to prevent attack on nuclear sites

DOHA (AFP) >>> Aug 18, 2004 <<<
Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani warned Wednesday that Iran might launch a preemptive strike against US forces in the region to prevent an attack on its nuclear facilities.

"We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly," Shamkhani told Al-Jazeera TV when asked if Iran would respond to an American attack on its nuclear facilities.

"America is not the only one present in the region. We are also present, from Khost to Kandahar in Afghanistan; we are present in the Gulf and we can be present in Iraq," said Shamkhani, speaking in Farsi to the Arabic-language news channel through an interpreter.

"The US military presence (in Iraq) will not become an element of strength (for Washington) at our expense. The opposite is true, because their forces would turn into a hostage" in Iranian hands in the event of an attack, he said.

Shamkhani, who was asked about the possibility of an American or Israeli strike against Iran's atomic power plant in Bushehr, added: "We will consider any strike against our nuclear installations as an attack on Iran as a whole, and we will retaliate with all our strength.

"Where Israel is concerned, we have no doubt that it is an evil entity, and it will not be able to launch any military operation without an American green light. You cannot separate the two."

A commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards was quoted in the Iranian press earlier Wednesday as saying that Tehran would strike the Israeli reactor at Dimona if Israel attacks the Islamic republic's own burgeoning nuclear facilities.

"If Israel fires one missile at Bushehr atomic power plant, it should permanently forget about Dimona nuclear center, where it produces and keeps its nuclear weapons, and Israel would be responsible for the terrifying consequence of this move," General Mohammad Baqer Zolqadr warned.

Iran's controversial bid to generate nuclear power at its plant being built at Bushehr is seen by arch-enemies Israel and the United States as a cover for nuclear weapons development.

The latest comments mark an escalation in an exchange of threats between Israel and Iran in recent weeks, leading to speculation that there may be a repeat of Israel's strike against Iraqi nuclear facilities at Osirak in 1981.

Iran insists that its nuclear intentions are peaceful, while pointing at its enemy's alleged nuclear arsenal, which Israel neither confirms nor denies possessing.

Shamkhani told Al-Jazeera it was not possible "from a practical standpoint" to destroy Iran's nuclear programs because they are the product of national skills "which cannot be eliminated by military means."

He also warned that Iran would consider itself no longer bound by its commitments to the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in the event of an attack.

"The execution of such threats (to attack Iran's nuclear installations) would mean that our cooperation with the IAEA led to feeding information about our nuclear facilities to the attacking side, which (in turn) means that we would no longer be bound by any of our obligations" to the nuclear watchdog, he said.

Diplomats said in Vienna Tuesday that the IAEA would not say in a report next month whether Iran's nuclear activities are of a military nature, nor will it recommend bringing the case before the UN Security Council.

The IAEA board is due to deliver the report on Iran's nuclear activities during a meeting at the organization's headquarters in Vienna from September 13 after the last of a group of IAEA inspectors returned from Iran last week.

The UN's nuclear agency is conducting a major probe into Iran's bid to generate electricity through nuclear power.

The Islamic republic has agreed to temporarily suspend uranium enrichment pending the completion of the IAEA probe, but is working on other parts of the fuel cycle and has recently resumed making centrifuges used for enrichment.
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Surely the country with "God on our side" and the other one of "God's chosen people" couldn't pre-emptively commit or even consider committing such a heinous, murderous act against innocent Iranians, could they? Sorry, history answers that question quiet clearly.
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Iran has learned the lesson from 1982 Israeli attack on Iraqi nuclear facility. They don’t keep their eggs in one basket.

If Israel is seriously planning to stop the Iranian nuclear program it has to target not one but something close to 50 sites scattered across the country. I don’t believe that will ever be possible.

But the consequences of even a single strike may lead the world into an impossible situation with no way out.

I believe that Iran will make sure that the whole world witnesses that Israel is the initiator of the military confrontation so that the retaliation would be seen as an act of self defense.
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"I believe that Iran will make sure that the whole world witnesses that Israel is the initiator of the military confrontation so that the retaliation would be seen as an act of self defense."

That is very true, if Iran attacks first, then they immediately loose the support of Russia & China. The Iranians will wait until they are hit first, then they will have Russia's & China's support militarily
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I hope the Israelis and Americans realize who they're FUCKING with. Iran actually has an army this time, they're not going to be able to pull of air strikes like they did in the Balkans or in Iraq without some serious losses. Plus, it seems that Iran's PM is doing a better job in mobilizing his country against the Americans, and overall seems to be a better leader than Bush if push came to shove. Iran is also 100% committed to wage war against the American/Israeli infidel. It looks like USA/Israel has finally met their match.
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The stage is set. The show is about to begin.

If a battle begins between Israel and Iran, we will be involved.
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Actually, in the thinking of the Bush administration, a country apparently has the right to pre-emptively strike anyone they suspect might one day consider the possibility of maybe, maybe possibly, considering a future a attack on them.
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That means if Israel has the Go for Jan 6 2006 10:00:00 hrs

we well get Preeventive hit 1/2/2006

1+2+(2006=8) = 11

with lots of camel dung !
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Actually, in the thinking of the Bush administration, a country apparently has the right to pre-emptively strike anyone they suspect might one day consider the possibility of maybe, maybe possibly, considering a future a attack on them.



Especially when they have military parades with 'death to america' painted on the long range missiles, and the president talks about 'wiping israel of the face of the earth' oh and by the way 'our nuclear program is only for peaceful purposes'

It would seem obvious to anyone but an asswipe liberal that this is a regime that fully intends to provoke a regional conflict in the near future - I am suspecting in the hope of drawing in russia/china Vs the usa, so that in the aftermath the jihadi's will be left to pick up the pieces and restore the caliphate - hopefuly the russians/chinese/usa can see what thier game is and play them along.
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> Iran will make sure that the whole world witnesses<

That would depend on how they plan to get the news out.
The US set the precedent for 'pre-emptive strikes', did they really think everybody else would play by rules when the US does not? Anyways, I doubt Iran will (pre-emptively strike), because they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Except in the event of an immdeiate and absolute need to gain an upper hand no holds barred.
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Iran has a very religious fanatical people. When push comes to shove 100% of Iranians from all sects and religions will go to way. During 1980 war with Iraq all men, women and children as young as 11 went to war. In this country if one child of 11 went to war , we would re-write history and call this child super natural and yet Iranians did thid day in day out. Also remember that Iraq attacked Iran with full millitary support of USA and EU. That means that Iran was fighting the whole of West through Iraq and after 10 years the West could not defeat Iran. Since then Iran has wised up and they are much more powerful than before. Before 1980 they bought all arm from outside. Now they make many themselves including tanks and one man subs.
Did you know that they have many one man subs stationed at the bottom of persian gulf just waiting for a carrier to come near. When needed all they have to do is to surface rather than approach. Very clever indeed. To soot straight up rather than shoot at. Bet you US ships won't see that coming.
Almost all of you know that a war in Iran will not be limited to Iran only. So why support this war when it is clear that it will lead to the destruction of the whole world? Why not wake up now and say NO to NeoCons and their greed for oil at your expense?
Do you really think that we can woop Iran's ass without being hurt one way or another?
If US attacks Iran, don't you think that it will lead to real terrorism , not like the ones Bush created himself(9/11 etc)?
I live in UK and know many many Iranians as friends and from work who have settled in UK. They are married to British girls and have children who have been born in UK. They have nothing to do with politics at all and don't wish to get involved. And yet every single one of them will say that if USA or Israel attacks Iran, they are more than willing to become part of an army fighting the West. These people have families who they love dearly in Iran and unlike the Western culture they stay very very close.
On a personal note i can tell you this: Almost all of you who comment about Iran have never met an Iranian person but I have. Not just one but many and all over many years. I can tell you this with 100% accuracy. Not a single Iranian is anything like what USA makes them out to be.
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when you attack Iran, Israel goes Boom.

Iran has the best delivery system;Hamas

nukes could already be planted and i think they are. Iran is waiting to deliver a sucker punch.

of course just a little of the fallout will be the price of oil.


so what if they have nukes, let them. its just an expensive toys for generals.

Never forget who did 911
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The stupidity of the posters on this thread knows no bounds.
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Did you know that they have many one man subs stationed at the bottom of persian gulf just waiting for a carrier to come near. When needed all they have to do is to surface rather than approach. Very clever indeed. To soot straight up rather than shoot at. Bet you US ships won't see that coming.
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Interesting. Where'd you get that information?

I'm a former submariner, and that's the first I've heard of this.

Being in a one man sub, "stationed" on the bottom for longer than a few days, would be a very good way to go insane.
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EVERYBODY GETS TO PLAY THERMONUCLEAR WAR

FALLOUT GETS SWEPT UP INTO THE JETSTREAM

AND WHIPS ROUND THE GLOBE ABOUT 3 TIMES

AND COMES DOWN AS WINTER SNOWFALL/RAIN

`ENJOY THE SILENCE` OF NUCLEAR WINTER
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Iran is a paper tiger. They ain't got no firepower.
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The Pakistani foriegn minister says Pakistan will stand by Iran if they are attacked. And they DO have some firepower. Enough to make Israel go away, anyways.

Pakistan to stand by Iran in case of US aggression: Kasuri

[link to www.jang.com.pk]
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I think the jews are being suckered into this.

by the USA as well. they dam sure will be gone. boom
heres the nukes
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Ukraine Reveals $32Bln Weapons Embezzlement

Created: 19.12.2005 16:16 MSK (GMT +3), Updated: 16:16 MSK, 9 hours 59 minutes ago

MosNews

From 1992 to 1997 illegal weapons traders exported arms and military property from Ukraine worth $32 billion, the LigaBusinessInform web site quoted MP Sergei Sinchenko as saying.

Sinchenko, who heads a parliamentary commission investigating illegal arms deals, said that about 114 companies took part in the embezzlement of $89 billion of the Soviet military legacy that was enough to supply an army of 10 million men. Due to the imperfect nature of the former Soviet republic’s new legislation, a considerable amount of the weapons were sold abroad. Remarkably, only 20 percent of the deals were carried out by companies that were officially authorized by the government; the rest of the firms were so-called shadow structures.

Complete article: [link to www.mosnews.com]
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So now, Israel has to attack now to pre preempt the Iranian preemptive attack which is to preempt the Israel original preemptive attack on Iran?

blink
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"Interesting. Where'd you get that information?"
Some time ago there was a prog in BBC about Iran and after war with Iraq. They were saying that Sat pics has picked up one man subs and has caught the West by surprise. They had a guy who came on and said that they are quite worried about this. They did not expect Iranians to improve so fast. Then they said that one reason that Iran has moved so far ahead in military is because of sanctions. They badly needed parts for their army that they could not get in the war with Iraq. They were so desparate that they actually started to file down pieces of metal for certain parts. Very quickly they began to start a secret operation in order to make parts themselves and this is how it all started. I am paraphrasing form BBC prog. They have also made un-manned planes. As far as the subs are concerned, they seem to have used similar system as the one UK used for the tunnel under the sea to reach France. The Iranians have built tunnels which can dock a few one man subs. These subs rotate as frequently as possible without having to surface. This whole thing according to BBC is clever thinking without the need for advanced technology. They seem to have sectioned the tunnels incase of problems.
Remember that during the Shah's time 100% of Iran's arms came from West. After revelution and then sanctions Iran was left without spare parts and hence they had to learn how to make these parts. The BBC was saying that directly because of sanctions put on Iran by the West, Iran has actually advanced by decades. They were also sure that when USSR broke up, 5 Nukes disappeared and they know that 3 of then turned up in Iran. This was many years ago. Out of the 3, they know that one was taken apart for study and two were kept.
On the whole i think that the West is playing with people's lives. The Neocons don't seem to care. They act like a bully without thinking that one day someone will stand up to them. They figure that if they are confronted... so what... many people are going to die but it is not going to be them. On the other hand people are too brainwashed to realize what is going on and in the end who really is going to get hurt.
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Zec 5:6 And I said, What [is] it? And he said, This [is] an ephah that goeth forth. He said moreover, This [is] their resemblance through all the earth.

Zec 5:7 And, behold, there was lifted up a talent of lead: and this [is] a "fire" that sitteth in the midst of the ephah. (the word for fire is the same as woman-most translations use woman which doesn't make sense as you'll see)

Zec 5:8 And he said, This [is] wickedness. And he cast it into the midst of the ephah; and he cast the weight of lead upon the mouth thereof.

Zec 5:9 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and looked, and, behold, there came out two women, and the wind [was] in their wings; for they had wings like the wings of a stork: and they lifted up the ephah between the earth and the heaven. (looked at any Iranian missles lately?)

Zec 5:10 Then said I to the angel that talked with me, Whither do these bear the ephah?

Zec 5:11 And he said unto me, To build it an house in the land of Shinar: and it shall be established, and set there upon her own base.
Please note: Shinar is known today as none other than Iran.

A fire that needs lead to enclose it is a nuclear warhead. Notice that the angel said this is how they look thruout the whole earth. Zechariah was shown the reason for the future nuclear war, it is a nuclear armed Iran.

Israel will suffer severe losses as will the rest of the world's nations. However, the Lord will deliver Israel out of all of her troubles, as this is the time of Jacob's trouble.
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What makes you think that by Israel it is meant the people of Israel. Putting our stupid brainwashed patriotic ideas aside, we all know and see every day that Israeli army are commiting the biggest crimes know to humanity. This is a fact and in this case there is no use turning away from it and lieing about it. With that said and our christian idea of what God is. How can you think that a true God will praise these people? You might refer me back to Bible but then i say to you, don't read like a blind person. Read the real meaning and then you will see the truth. Even simple logic and reason will confirm that an agresson will never be praiseworthy in the eyes of a true god.
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I'm getting really tired of having religion thrown in my face.

Creationist: Where did man come from?
Me: From a single cell organism from which we evolved.
C: where did the cell come from?
M: The ocean
C: Where did the ocean come from?
M: Hydrogen sodium and oxygen.
C: Where did they come from?
M: You use my lack of an intensive scientific background to promote the blind obedience based on the absolute certainty that while your replies are all questions, your answers are all dogma.
C: We'll discuss this later.

Jesus wept.
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Cool! More power to 'em!
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Oh my god!
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"EVERYBODY GETS TO PLAY THERMONUCLEAR WAR

FALLOUT GETS SWEPT UP INTO THE JETSTREAM

AND WHIPS ROUND THE GLOBE ABOUT 3 TIMES

AND COMES DOWN AS WINTER SNOWFALL/RAIN

`ENJOY THE SILENCE` OF NUCLEAR WINTER"

So this 3 times around the globe for the nuclear fall-out, could this perhaps be the fulfillment for the 3 days and nights of darkness as prophesied by different prophets?
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you brought up some good poings AC 54534, especially how the West was fighting against Iran for 10 years through proxy Iraq. Now Iraq is gone and USA is now on Iran's borders. Why do they insist that Iran is part of the Axis of evil? Ok so they support Hamas are Muslim fundementalists and are anti-Zionist. Sounds like an everlasting crusade to me by the Americans. They started it in the 50s didn't they, by trying to 'democratize' the Middle East by installing Shah?

Now the chess peices are positioned very differently, and I think that USA/Israel are going to try and sacrifice some major peices to get the win, because they think the game is almost over.
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Zec 12:2 Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.


and to all the bile filled back biting God haters, xxx for example, get used to it, the more vain men like yourself rail and fight against it, that much closer it comes, do nothing and it will still be fulfilled, try and hasten it and it will happen in His timing not yours. It is revealing to watch the naysayers(whatever brand) and lie tellers , truth distorters, deniers, athiests and all other religions and occultists make their vain attempts at changing plain scripture. Its going to happen as written, unhappy God haters, and you really will be unhappy if you have not made your peace with Yahshua should you die before that opportunity to get right with YHVH, because the second death then awaits you.





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