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Bill intriduced in House to stop drone surveillance in America!

 
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It's too bad that an effective campaign to eliminate what could be one of the most important and essential tools we have against the true enemies among us will succeed.

I suppose the greater evil that these drones have the capacity for, and the potential for abuse is greater than the good they can do at preventing devastating attacks.

If you had nothing to hide, then you had nothing to fear.

Our border security flaws have been exploited, immigration policies exploited, our tolerances exploited.

Our vulnerabilities have made our doom possible.

We'd rather die free, then to live with enhanced security.

Right?

Careful what you wish for.

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What mind warping bs...I do not mind "enhanced security" but I do not see the need for the free for all of collecting data on US citizens by gov't or private entities. They should be made to produce a warrant...where does it end?
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With our vulnerabilities exploited, agencies and institutions infiltrated, and the enemy living among us.. Where do you suggest they look, how should they, and what do they look for, also what tools would you approve of them using????
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It's too bad that an effective campaign to eliminate what could be one of the most important and essential tools we have against the true enemies among us will succeed.

I suppose the greater evil that these drones have the capacity for, and the potential for abuse is greater than the good they can do at preventing devastating attacks.

If you had nothing to hide, then you had nothing to fear.

Our border security flaws have been exploited, immigration policies exploited, our tolerances exploited.

Our vulnerabilities have made our doom possible.

We'd rather die free, then to live with enhanced security.

Right?

Careful what you wish for.

Thread: Welcome to the beginning of the end
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20705582


What mind warping bs...I do not mind "enhanced security" but I do not see the need for the free for all of collecting data on US citizens by gov't or private entities. They should be made to produce a warrant...where does it end?
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That is exactly the point! Warrentless searches are unconstitutional. If a judge signs a warrent, they can follow me around all day long. Without a warrent, they should not be watching any American. They could put all that energy to better use watching the borders, but then they might have to turn back some future deocrap voters.
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would this include insect drones? or are we going to have a million separate bills to wait on for all of the millions type s of terrorists devices they have? grow up people
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dam,just when we was getting ready to BCI take over them too..maybe they grew a brain after all...

Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 08/06/2012 02:16 PM
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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dont worry children- the bill will never pass
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It's too bad that an effective campaign to eliminate what could be one of the most important and essential tools we have against the true enemies among us will succeed.

I suppose the greater evil that these drones have the capacity for, and the potential for abuse is greater than the good they can do at preventing devastating attacks.

If you had nothing to hide, then you had nothing to fear.

Our border security flaws have been exploited, immigration policies exploited, our tolerances exploited.

Our vulnerabilities have made our doom possible.

We'd rather die free, then to live with enhanced security.

Right?

Careful what you wish for.

Thread: Welcome to the beginning of the end
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20705582


What mind warping bs...I do not mind "enhanced security" but I do not see the need for the free for all of collecting data on US citizens by gov't or private entities. They should be made to produce a warrant...where does it end?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5141990


With our vulnerabilities exploited, agencies and institutions infiltrated, and the enemy living among us.. Where do you suggest they look, how should they, and what do they look for, also what tools would you approve of them using????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20705582


The first tool they need to use is the oath they all took to uphold the Constitution! The Constitution is very clear about the use of warrentless searches. If you are not familiar the Constitution, maybe you should look it up. Hillsdale College has a couple of great course you can take on line, for free, that really do a great job of explaining the Constitution.
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It's too bad that an effective campaign to eliminate what could be one of the most important and essential tools we have against the true enemies among us will succeed.

I suppose the greater evil that these drones have the capacity for, and the potential for abuse is greater than the good they can do at preventing devastating attacks.

If you had nothing to hide, then you had nothing to fear.

Our border security flaws have been exploited, immigration policies exploited, our tolerances exploited.

Our vulnerabilities have made our doom possible.

We'd rather die free, then to live with enhanced security.

Right?

Careful what you wish for.

Thread: Welcome to the beginning of the end
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20705582


What mind warping bs...I do not mind "enhanced security" but I do not see the need for the free for all of collecting data on US citizens by gov't or private entities. They should be made to produce a warrant...where does it end?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5141990


With our vulnerabilities exploited, agencies and institutions infiltrated, and the enemy living among us.. Where do you suggest they look, how should they, and what do they look for, also what tools would you approve of them using????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20705582


The first tool they need to use is the oath they all took to uphold the Constitution! The Constitution is very clear about the use of warrentless searches. If you are not familiar the Constitution, maybe you should look it up. Hillsdale College has a couple of great course you can take on line, for free, that really do a great job of explaining the Constitution.
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


In a few months none of this is going to matter.

Of course, I am more than familiar with our Constitution.

I am only asking what levels of freedom can be sacrificed for security.

None would seem to be the consensus.

Admirable, inspiring, but ultimately, tragic.

I suppose that ultimately, our freedom and strong defense of it was our greatest, exploitable vulnerability of all.
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It's too bad that an effective campaign to eliminate what could be one of the most important and essential tools we have against the true enemies among us will succeed.

I suppose the greater evil that these drones have the capacity for, and the potential for abuse is greater than the good they can do at preventing devastating attacks.

If you had nothing to hide, then you had nothing to fear.

Our border security flaws have been exploited, immigration policies exploited, our tolerances exploited.

Our vulnerabilities have made our doom possible.

We'd rather die free, then to live with enhanced security.

Right?

Careful what you wish for.

Thread: Welcome to the beginning of the end
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20705582


What mind warping bs...I do not mind "enhanced security" but I do not see the need for the free for all of collecting data on US citizens by gov't or private entities. They should be made to produce a warrant...where does it end?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5141990


With our vulnerabilities exploited, agencies and institutions infiltrated, and the enemy living among us.. Where do you suggest they look, how should they, and what do they look for, also what tools would you approve of them using????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20705582


Things will happen regardless of the measures taken. Peering into American citizens backyards will not prevent anything so it is basically an excuse to invade our privacy.
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Re: Bill intriduced in House to stop drone surveillance in America!
It's too bad that an effective campaign to eliminate what could be one of the most important and essential tools we have against the true enemies among us will succeed.

I suppose the greater evil that these drones have the capacity for, and the potential for abuse is greater than the good they can do at preventing devastating attacks.

If you had nothing to hide, then you had nothing to fear.

Our border security flaws have been exploited, immigration policies exploited, our tolerances exploited.

Our vulnerabilities have made our doom possible.

We'd rather die free, then to live with enhanced security.

Right?

Careful what you wish for.

Thread: Welcome to the beginning of the end
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20705582


What mind warping bs...I do not mind "enhanced security" but I do not see the need for the free for all of collecting data on US citizens by gov't or private entities. They should be made to produce a warrant...where does it end?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5141990


With our vulnerabilities exploited, agencies and institutions infiltrated, and the enemy living among us.. Where do you suggest they look, how should they, and what do they look for, also what tools would you approve of them using????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20705582


The first tool they need to use is the oath they all took to uphold the Constitution! The Constitution is very clear about the use of warrentless searches. If you are not familiar the Constitution, maybe you should look it up. Hillsdale College has a couple of great course you can take on line, for free, that really do a great job of explaining the Constitution.
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do they tell you the Constitution is the only paper you need to receive and preform services in America,its your birth papers,ssi ,drivers license and any other proof of paperwork if you are capable of preforming what ever inalienable right you choose given by the creator as long as it harms no one...i already know,no one can refuse me anything without other paperwork,doing so will get them sued for violating my Constitution rights of inalienable rights from the creator who lives inside of me...2 appeals will present any constitutional case to the supreme court to decide whether the Constitution is trash or not...i am a self appointed constitutional lawyer that will claim my rights from the creator in front of any kangaroo court..and i will file 2 appeals to push it in front of the supreme court and i will not back down,hell or high water as real Americans do...

Last Edited by T Ceti H.C. Radnarg on 08/06/2012 02:35 PM
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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Let's say I take a piss in my backyard while watering the lawn. Drone catches me, neighbor girl is next door on her side of the fence.

What would happen, or could happen in this case?

What would be "public" and "private" with drones?

I should state, I don't even own a home, or a penis, so this is just used as a way to see things for how they might get in a situation like this.

And, if they are drones, who has the access to this system? Can it be hacked?

Etc. Etc.
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Let's say I take a piss in my backyard while watering the lawn. Drone catches me, neighbor girl is next door on her side of the fence.

What would happen, or could happen in this case?

What would be "public" and "private" with drones?

I should state, I don't even own a home, or a penis, so this is just used as a way to see things for how they might get in a situation like this.

And, if they are drones, who has the access to this system? Can it be hacked?

Etc. Etc.
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...dont worry, failsafe is here to protect idiots from themselves...
How unfortunate for some rulers when men,women,and children continue to think... Keep repeating the lies loud enough and long enough and just maybe the people will start to believe the lies again and good luck with that...finding your energy open until mars becomes raging aries...
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The FED should take the border issues away from the states and close them period. That is worthy of my tax dollars.

Stop the flood and get control of what is here...sort them out and make decisions. It's not rocket science and it is what we pay them to do.
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Also, can we get a pin on this please?

People worried about all kinds of other shit like crystals, pole shifts, Syria, and other randomness.

Let's get this thread pinned and the ball rolling, kthx!
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EXACTLY!!!
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TU OP for bringing the bill to my attention. I've sent letters and posted to friends to get some more action...as I see not one of my congressmen have signed it.
Signed: A Dem...yeah there are some of us who are very concerned.
hf
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drone in US
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It will be shot down ;)
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It will be shot down ;)
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Yeah a drone flying over my head would likely get shot down as well. ;)
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It will be shot down ;)
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Thank you ladies and germs! I'll be here all night!!!
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It will be shot down ;)
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Yeah a drone flying over my head would likely get shot down as well. ;)
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I checked the rest of my email, she sent this letter 5 times. That must be 1 for every time I wrote her about this unconstitutional intrusion into our privacy.
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Those are automated responses to letters received , but none the less its great that the bill has been introduced. I will be writing my Texas Reps to encourage their support of this bill.
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TU OP for bringing the bill to my attention. I've sent letters and posted to friends to get some more action...as I see not one of my congressmen have signed it.
Signed: A Dem...yeah there are some of us who are very concerned.
hf
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Now, if everyone else here would do that, our reps in DC would have to understand what we want.

hf
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I checked the rest of my email, she sent this letter 5 times. That must be 1 for every time I wrote her about this unconstitutional intrusion into our privacy.
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Those are automated responses to letters received , but none the less its great that the bill has been introduced. I will be writing my Texas Reps to encourage their support of this bill.
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Yeah, I don't usually get form letters any more. I write so often that I get a personal response. This is the first news letter I have gotten in a year or so. I rarely get form letters any more. This exception is OK though.
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Barrak Obama is a Kenyan Marxist riding dirt on us.
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You didn't even type it correctly that time.

I think that means you need to find a new phrase that isn't stupid.
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Is this the same retard that posts a one liner on Ron Paul?
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Barrak Obama is a Kenyan Marxist riding dirt on us.
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You didn't even type it correctly that time.

I think that means you need to find a new phrase that isn't stupid.
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Is this the same retard that posts a one liner on Ron Paul?
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Its a BOT not a user
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Rand Paul introduced similar legislation in the senate about a week ago. To bad it's not going anywhere..
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Nice OP, thanks for sharing!
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I just got this letter from my rep. in DC. Surpisingly, it seems she paid attention to what I wrote her several times. Everyone should write their reps and senators to support this bill.

WASHINGTON – U.S. Representative Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo) joined 22 of her colleagues in introducing H.R. 6199, the Preserving American Privacy Act, which is designed to protect individual citizens’ privacy from the increasing domestic use of Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV), or drones. Already deployed on the battlefield and along our nation’s borders, drones are now being used domestically by private and governmental entities. H.R. 6199 would: prohibit drone surveillance without a warrant; prohibit drone surveillance by private entities without the subject’s consent; and, prohibit agencies like the Environmental Protection Agency from using drone-collected surveillance in administrative hearings.



“This is another instance of new technology challenging our constitutional rights, and the Constitution should always win,” Rep. Lummis said. “Drones are and will continue to be a great tool for our military and Border Patrol. But drones also dramatically enhance the government’s ability to spy on Americans, so we need to set a privacy standard to prevent unauthorized drone flights over our backyards. H.R. 6199 strikes a balance between law enforcement and individual freedom that I believe is consistent with the Constitution.”



The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) currently grants permits for limited drone use on a case-by-case basis. Numerous domestic federal agencies (including the EPA), research institutions and state and local law enforcement currently have active permits. The FAA is also working towards the wholesale integration of drones into United States airspace by 2015.



The Preserving American Privacy Act would:



• Prohibit the FAA from issuing a drone permit for law enforcement or surveillance purposes unless the activity is pursuant to a warrant and in the investigation of a felony. This prohibition would be applicable to State, Federal, and local jurisdictions.

• Prohibit the FAA from issuing a drone permit to any private individual for person or property surveillance unless the person under surveillance has consented or the owner of the property has consented.

• Prohibit evidence obtained by drones from being used by federal agencies in administrative hearings.

• Preserve the current use of drones for border security purposes and within 25 miles of a United States border.



Sincerely,



Cynthia M. Lummis

Member of Congress
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I want to see this bill succeed.

The use of drones should never have been authorized in the first place and a suit should be underway to challenge their Constitutionality.

Regardless, I hope it passes BOTH houses, Congress (very likely) and the Senate (hardly likely) and then gets passed on to Obama... where he will veto it because he wants to control everything especially those who oppose him.
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I want to see this bill succeed.

The use of drones should never have been authorized in the first place and a suit should be underway to challenge their Constitutionality.

Regardless, I hope it passes BOTH houses, Congress (very likely) and the Senate (hardly likely) and then gets passed on to Obama... where he will veto it because he wants to control everything especially those who oppose him.
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This is undoubtedly Oblabla's plan to begin with. He wants to know what everyone is doing all the time. He's a paranoid little fucker, he doesn't trust anyone. He even has the drones spying on farmers to make sure they don't use chemicals in an unapproved manner.
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Awesome! I looked up the bill and my Rep (DesJarlais) is already a co-sponsor. Woo hoo!

As of this afternoon, 25 Reps have co-sponsored it and it has been refered to the subcomittee on crime, terrorism, and Homeland Security. Current sponsors are:

"Mr. POE of Texas (for himself, Mr. GARRETT, Mr. HUIZENGA of Michigan, Mr. PITTS, Mr. GOHMERT, Mr. WILSON of South Carolina, Mr. RIBBLE, Mr. RIGELL, Mrs. LUMMIS, Mr. ROE of Tennessee, Mr. CULBERSON, Mr. DESJARLAIS, Mr. WALBERG, Mr. STUTZMAN, Mr. GRAVES of Georgia, Mr. MULVANEY, Mr. DUNCAN of South Carolina, Mr. GOWDY, Mr. JORDAN, Mr. BURTON of Indiana, Mr. ROSS of Florida, Mr. BURGESS, Mr. SOUTHERLAND, and Mr. CAMPBELL"

Above copied from the bill summary at thomas.loc.gov
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787





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