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The burden of proof of this supposed planet/brown dwarf (and now apparently a neutron star) does not rest upon those to disprove it, rather those making the claims to proof it. Anything else is onus probandi.

Anecdotes, shaky videos, supposed knowledge of the ancient is not concrete evidence.

The reason orbital mechanics and gravitational laws are called laws is because the vast majority, and in most cases, nearly 100% of scientists have produced studies and experiments that support those laws. Not only have there been multiple experiments to confirm our current understandings, but also we can accurately predict motion and positions to nearly 100%.

There is no consensus on ANY of the pro-Nibiru arguments. There is only speculation based on anecdotal evidence. Until the pro-Nibiru group can confirm, publish, and verify a consensus, it's all purely hypothetical speculation.

With our current understandings of physics and gravity, we would very easily say there is no brown dwarf or even less likely a neutron star heading throughout our solar system right now. The simple fact is there has been no real observations with coordinates. Not to mention the vast amount of amateur astronomers, myself included, that would have noticed it, but have not. It's bunk. All of it.
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Thread: If Nibiru/planet x is not coming, then what is FEMA and the secret government preparing for

Thread: Nobody is talking about Sirius A, Aren't we in a binary system with this beautiful Dog star? This is what we are waiting for;The Golden Age!!!
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Those links are garbage.
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The burden of proof of this supposed planet/brown dwarf (and now apparently a neutron star) does not rest upon those to disprove it, rather those making the claims to proof it. Anything else is onus probandi.

Anecdotes, shaky videos, supposed knowledge of the ancient is not concrete evidence.

The reason orbital mechanics and gravitational laws are called laws is because the vast majority, and in most cases, nearly 100% of scientists have produced studies and experiments that support those laws. Not only have there been multiple experiments to confirm our current understandings, but also we can accurately predict motion and positions to nearly 100%.

There is no consensus on ANY of the pro-Nibiru arguments. There is only speculation based on anecdotal evidence. Until the pro-Nibiru group can confirm, publish, and verify a consensus, it's all purely hypothetical speculation.

With our current understandings of physics and gravity, we would very easily say there is no brown dwarf or even less likely a neutron star heading throughout our solar system right now. The simple fact is there has been no real observations with coordinates. Not to mention the vast amount of amateur astronomers, myself included, that would have noticed it, but have not. It's bunk. All of it.
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Thread: If Nibiru/planet x is not coming, then what is FEMA and the secret government preparing for

Thread: Nobody is talking about Sirius A, Aren't we in a binary system with this beautiful Dog star? This is what we are waiting for;The Golden Age!!!
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Those links are garbage.
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that was a quick reply, i thought this was a thread for analytical discussion not ignorance
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Astromut, I can accept that the camera angle from our satellites are not completely static. I could accept that the planets may not have perfectly flat orbits as seen over the course of years and at such huge distances. I could even accept based on your evidence that there is no such immediate danger of a giant rouge planet. I saw your thread yesterday and the day before. You are very compelling and thorough. I even seconded another self proclaimed "quasi Nibirutard" that you sure do put together good evidence.

What I can't ignore is the degree of unsettling changes I see every day in things that just should not change so fast without a larger than Earth reason behind them. The weather, the quakes, the Sun. What I can’t ignore is the sometimes down-right intelligence insulting changing data seen on USGS and SOHO and the fraud that is the man-made global warming hoax perpetrated on the population by people who call themselves scientist in one breath and deliberately falsify data in the next to make their lying political agenda believable to masses of over entertained sheople.

I’m not saying that about you personally. I am saying that I don’t trust the whole system the data comes from. It may not be fair to compare astrophysics to meteorology. They are different fields with different people, but the complete corruption and political bias in the so-called scientists of the world involved in the man-mad global warming sham is the perfect example because that deception has been pushed into other scientific fields and accepted by so many other so-called scientists that it taints the whole scientific community that badly.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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that was a quick reply, i thought this was a thread for analytical discussion not ignorance
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Some people just like to grunt and poke things instead of talking about them. I haven't gotten into the second thread yet, but your opening post on the first one is a long list of questions and events that ought to be answered and explained honestly. It is the inconsistent things that get attention and cause question and concern. Strange how when one asks any other question on a conspiracy forum like this all manner of bizarre solutions are on the table. But this one, holy crap it's an instant flame fest waiting to happen. Kinda make you think of the old WWII bomber pilot's saying. You'll know you are over the target when you start taking flack.
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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that was a quick reply, i thought this was a thread for analytical discussion not ignorance
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Some people just like to grunt and poke things instead of talking about them. I haven't gotten into the second thread yet, but your opening post on the first one is a long list of questions and events that ought to be answered and explained honestly. It is the inconsistent things that get attention and cause question and concern. Strange how when one asks any other question on a conspiracy forum like this all manner of bizarre solutions are on the table. But this one, holy crap it's an instant flame fest waiting to happen. Kinda make you think of the old WWII bomber pilot's saying. You'll know you are over the target when you start taking flack.
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these observations and questions are not being answered or even talked about, my friend, everyone is too busy building a house, working, drama, money problems,

in my opinion, something will happen, but there won't be much notice, it will happen suddenly and it will be harsh

we need this, the purification needs to happen to end most of the suffering and karma

blessings and peace
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What I can't ignore is the degree of unsettling changes I see every day in things that just should not change so fast without a larger than Earth reason behind them. The weather, the quakes, the Sun.
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What does this have to do with the claim that astronomers are being killed to cover up changes in the positions of the planets? Frankly I don't accept the notion that any such changes must necessarily be caused by a reason beyond earth and/or the sun itself, that needs to be demonstrated with a thorough analysis showing statistical significance compared to a historic baseline.
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What I can't ignore is the degree of unsettling changes I see every day in things that just should not change so fast without a larger than Earth reason behind them. The weather, the quakes, the Sun.
 Quoting: Resister

What does this have to do with the claim that astronomers are being killed to cover up changes in the positions of the planets? Frankly I don't accept the notion that any such changes must necessarily be caused by a reason beyond earth and/or the sun itself, that needs to be demonstrated with a thorough analysis showing statistical significance compared to a historic baseline.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


sigh

I didn’t even mention the dead scientist in the post you carved those two sentences out of.

That our planet is geologically active and has been as long as we have been here is obvious. It’s what makes places like Yellowstone, the Rocky Mountains, Hawaii, and any number of other places so beautiful. It’s the recent increase in activity and severity that is so far out of what use to be normal and begs the question why.
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What I can't ignore is the degree of unsettling changes I see every day in things that just should not change so fast without a larger than Earth reason behind them. The weather, the quakes, the Sun.
 Quoting: Resister

What does this have to do with the claim that astronomers are being killed to cover up changes in the positions of the planets? Frankly I don't accept the notion that any such changes must necessarily be caused by a reason beyond earth and/or the sun itself, that needs to be demonstrated with a thorough analysis showing statistical significance compared to a historic baseline.
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sigh

I didn’t even mention the dead scientist in the post you carved those two sentences out of.
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Well that's what I'm talking about, that and the so-called perturbations are the main points of the video you linked to.
That our planet is geologically active and has been as long as we have been here is obvious. It’s what makes places like Yellowstone, the Rocky Mountains, Hawaii, and any number of other places so beautiful. It’s the recent increase in activity and severity that is so far out of what use to be normal and begs the question why.
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Unless it's statstically significantly greater it doesn't really beg any questions.
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Astromut, I can accept that the camera angle from our satellites are not completely static. I could accept that the planets may not have perfectly flat orbits as seen over the course of years and at such huge distances. I could even accept based on your evidence that there is no such immediate danger of a giant rouge planet. I saw your thread yesterday and the day before. You are very compelling and thorough. I even seconded another self proclaimed "quasi Nibirutard" that you sure do put together good evidence.

What I can't ignore is the degree of unsettling changes I see every day in things that just should not change so fast without a larger than Earth reason behind them. The weather, the quakes, the Sun. What I can’t ignore is the sometimes down-right intelligence insulting changing data seen on USGS and SOHO and the fraud that is the man-made global warming hoax perpetrated on the population by people who call themselves scientist in one breath and deliberately falsify data in the next to make their lying political agenda believable to masses of over entertained sheople.

I’m not saying that about you personally. I am saying that I don’t trust the whole system the data comes from. It may not be fair to compare astrophysics to meteorology. They are different fields with different people, but the complete corruption and political bias in the so-called scientists of the world involved in the man-mad global warming sham is the perfect example because that deception has been pushed into other scientific fields and accepted by so many other so-called scientists that it taints the whole scientific community that badly.
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What I can't ignore is the degree of unsettling changes I see every day in things that just should not change so fast without a larger than Earth reason behind them. The weather, the quakes, the Sun.
 Quoting: Resister

What does this have to do with the claim that astronomers are being killed to cover up changes in the positions of the planets? Frankly I don't accept the notion that any such changes must necessarily be caused by a reason beyond earth and/or the sun itself, that needs to be demonstrated with a thorough analysis showing statistical significance compared to a historic baseline.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


sigh

I didn’t even mention the dead scientist in the post you carved those two sentences out of.

That our planet is geologically active and has been as long as we have been here is obvious. It’s what makes places like Yellowstone, the Rocky Mountains, Hawaii, and any number of other places so beautiful. It’s the recent increase in activity and severity that is so far out of what use to be normal and begs the question why.
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Most are probably not gonna like me saying this and I'm sure I'll get a bunch of BS flags including the usual scientific slam from astro or T, but there's gonna come a time very soon which I submit is going to be around March of 2013, in which all the laughing and mockery from the skeptics and SCIENCE community etc, is going to suddenly CEASE and you'll hear a pin drop as UNUSUAL EARTH CHANGES they now deny are happening, increase exponentially to the point it will be so intense it will be undeniable that the entire planet has entered a GEOLOGICAL POLE SHIFT.

There's already compelling evidence that this planet is showing clear signs that occur right before such a SHIFT whether its due to and being or will be induced by an HMO or by NATURAL occurrence so to speak.

Aside from the conventional "scientific" evidence, I submit there's other EVIDENCE that goes beyond the primitive frequency and understanding of conventional science, which is pointing to and warning about THIS EVENT occurring around the MONTH I stated which I'll be explaining further and presenting if not VALIDATING in my 4th video of God Code Matrix that has everything to do with this 188 cycle and the Ley lines I've discovered that these same scientist call pseudo science and ridicule implying the evidence is false and implausible or even impossible.

And guess what?? THATS FINE because I already know that these mainstream "scientists" WILL NEVER accept or even consider this new but lost science thats based on SACRED GEOMETRY unless their ego's are stroked and what I'm talking about CONFORMS to their PRIMITIVE and out-moded concepts and models they've been taught in schools and institutions that base truth and their science mostly on what they see within their 3 DIMENSiONAL physical reality that is about to go through a MAJOR paradigm shift as well.

So let them all LAUGH.

I've presented more than enough basic evidence to support this lost science I've been using and concepts conventional science can never fully explain or prove false such a seismic patterns said to be impossible which I'm suggesting will support that this planet is about to experience a Geological Pole Shift in 2013. Believe it or not thats up to you and others. However the signs are everywhere whether they or anyone wants to accept and admit it. What I'll present in part 4, will only add more evidence to the argument which people can make up their own minds about at that point. But VERY SOON within 6 MONTHS, the TIDE will turn and those clinging only to old science, will either be forced to embrace a new era of science thats far more dynamic in its mind-set and methods, or be left behind trying to figure out where they went wrong and WHY their physical science wasn't enough to explain this coming frequency upgrade, chain of events and GLOBAL Paradigm SHIFT.

buckle up Dorthy

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I appears Moore is a CIA tool being used to spread fear and lies.
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I appears Moore is a CIA tool being used to spread fear and lies.
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I agree
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EXACTLY, i can't quote the program but it was a National Geographic show on astronomers trying to find another solar system like ours/other planets like earth, and in that show they said they had made discoveries that blew old science out of the water, things that old science had rationalized away into not existing, were happening. Watch that show, they say it themselves, that science is constantly being re-written.
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That the configuration of other solar systems surprised us should itself not be all that surprising. It was foolish to assume they would all look pretty much like ours. The basic physics that govern those systems, however, are still the same.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I think he was just trying to say that scientists were forced to reconsider what was possible because of the new data and observations. You can't see what you are not looking for, especially if you believe that it doesn't exist.
 Quoting: Resister


Actually we know that Nibiru doesn't exist. We can exclude that possibility because analysis of the orbits of the planets shows that there is no massive object within at least the radius that a 3600 year orbit would have. Any massive objects that are out there must, must be at farther distances and indeed thanks to the matese hypothesis, we are looking for just such an object.
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how can you or anyone say for sure what this thing is if you don't know what exactly it really is to begin with?

your orbital elements are based on the assumption that this is a "brown dwarf" or class of a planet/star that conforms to known data, while at the same time leaving out the possibility of an object that DOESN'T.

but even if your oribital elements are correct, again, the simulation is based on an assumption that the input data of a brown dwarf is all correct and there can be no other possibility.

Its mostly theory either way no?

in other words, whatever object this is, there's still a chance that it could very well be UNKOWN or uknown to conventional science

what criterion and data is the brown dwarf orbital elements based on?

NASA?

where does the input DATA come from?

NASA?

"independent" sources who probably all have some link to NASA and government on some level or at some point?

So to me your argument isn't as sound as you're making it out to be IMO
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I appears Moore is a CIA tool being used to spread fear and lies.
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without a doubt. Moore is an emotionless cyborg who creates confusion and fear and disseminates scripted counterintelligence.

Like his announcement the other day that 65,000 Russians are coming across the Canadian border with orders "to destroy what the flyby doesn't destroy."

Bullshit. Yes there may be foreign troops and military movements as they prepare to secure areas of the country and go to safe locations and to the underground, but Russians are not going to be walking around killing and destroying everything that this nonexistent flyby doesn't destroy. Planet X is not going to come streaking into our solar system like a comet and make a tight little turn between the Earth and the Sun.

And it's not logical to suggest that a planet 3-5 times the size of Earth somehow caused 30 years of global warming stretching back to the early 80's.

Fuck that's stupid.

Yes we're going to have a serious set of catastrophes, but Moore's assignment is to continue to run the Planet X strolling as a distraction from whatever they're trying to cover up. Even if Planet X, wherever it is, is part of this equation, it's not in the solar system (John said to Ann Morrison on his 7/11 show that Planet X is inside the solar system).

Everyone should realize at this point that now that John Moore has kicked his disinformation campaign into overdrive that we're getting much closer to the end. Moore wouldn't be doing this if we still had two years left. We're entering the next critical phase, and his job is to scare and confuse the masses just enough so they can't take decisive action....as long as you're sitting around thinking that Planet X is inside the solar system, and you're waiting for someone to announce that they've found it, John Moore has done his job.

The reality is that most of us on the surface won't survive this when the crisis hits full throttle...conditions on the surface will be too extreme. John Moore leads people to believe that you can survive with your dehydrated foods and some seeds for next year's harvest....and that keeps people from rioting and looting and quitting their jobs. The Moore storyline is a bogus storyline.
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That the configuration of other solar systems surprised us should itself not be all that surprising. It was foolish to assume they would all look pretty much like ours. The basic physics that govern those systems, however, are still the same.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I think he was just trying to say that scientists were forced to reconsider what was possible because of the new data and observations. You can't see what you are not looking for, especially if you believe that it doesn't exist.
 Quoting: Resister


Actually we know that Nibiru doesn't exist. We can exclude that possibility because analysis of the orbits of the planets shows that there is no massive object within at least the radius that a 3600 year orbit would have. Any massive objects that are out there must, must be at farther distances and indeed thanks to the matese hypothesis, we are looking for just such an object.
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how can you or anyone say for sure what this thing is if you don't know what exactly it really is to begin with?

your orbital elements are based on the assumption that this is a "brown dwarf" or class of a planet/star that conforms to known data, while at the same time leaving out the possibility of an object that DOESN'T.

but even if your oribital elements are correct, again, the simulation is based on an assumption that the input data of a brown dwarf is all correct and there can be no other possibility.

Its mostly theory either way no?

in other words, whatever object this is, there's still a chance that it could very well be UNKOWN or uknown to conventional science

what criterion and data is the brown dwarf orbital elements based on?

NASA?

where does the input DATA come from?

NASA?

"independent" sources who probably all have some link to NASA and government on some level or at some point?

So to me your argument isn't as sound as you're making it out to be IMO
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That the configuration of other solar systems surprised us should itself not be all that surprising. It was foolish to assume they would all look pretty much like ours. The basic physics that govern those systems, however, are still the same.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I think he was just trying to say that scientists were forced to reconsider what was possible because of the new data and observations. You can't see what you are not looking for, especially if you believe that it doesn't exist.
 Quoting: Resister


Actually we know that Nibiru doesn't exist. We can exclude that possibility because analysis of the orbits of the planets shows that there is no massive object within at least the radius that a 3600 year orbit would have. Any massive objects that are out there must, must be at farther distances and indeed thanks to the matese hypothesis, we are looking for just such an object.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



how can you or anyone say for sure what this thing is if you don't know what exactly it really is to begin with?

your orbital elements are based on the assumption that this is a "brown dwarf" or class of a planet/star that conforms to known data, while at the same time leaving out the possibility of an object that DOESN'T.
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The orbital elements I gave it were deliberately set to be as generous as possible to the claim. Anything else would not have been generous, or would simply not resemble the claims being made.
but even if your oribital elements are correct, again, the simulation is based on an assumption that the input data of a brown dwarf is all correct and there can be no other possibility.
 Quoting: matrix

Again, I made the generous assumption that it was a minimum mass brown dwarf. Any deviation from that would only make it worse and more easily detected.
what criterion and data is the brown dwarf orbital elements based on?

NASA?
 Quoting: matrix

Nope. The claim itself. I explained all that in the video.
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I think he was just trying to say that scientists were forced to reconsider what was possible because of the new data and observations. You can't see what you are not looking for, especially if you believe that it doesn't exist.
 Quoting: Resister


Actually we know that Nibiru doesn't exist. We can exclude that possibility because analysis of the orbits of the planets shows that there is no massive object within at least the radius that a 3600 year orbit would have. Any massive objects that are out there must, must be at farther distances and indeed thanks to the matese hypothesis, we are looking for just such an object.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro



how can you or anyone say for sure what this thing is if you don't know what exactly it really is to begin with?

your orbital elements are based on the assumption that this is a "brown dwarf" or class of a planet/star that conforms to known data, while at the same time leaving out the possibility of an object that DOESN'T.

but even if your oribital elements are correct, again, the simulation is based on an assumption that the input data of a brown dwarf is all correct and there can be no other possibility.

Its mostly theory either way no?

in other words, whatever object this is, there's still a chance that it could very well be UNKOWN or uknown to conventional science

what criterion and data is the brown dwarf orbital elements based on?

NASA?

where does the input DATA come from?

NASA?

"independent" sources who probably all have some link to NASA and government on some level or at some point?

So to me your argument isn't as sound as you're making it out to be IMO
 Quoting: MatrixLNIN11


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The fact that you think gravity and the moon are the cause of all quakes (LOL) shows you're the one that needs to take your advice.

But as usual, shillobot shows up right on cue with the usual EVASION followed by ignorant commentary having nothing to do with the essential issue, point or questions posed that he's obviously too stupid to comprehend.

when are you gonna stop with this charade as if you're some omnipotent authority on celestial mechanics let alone scientist. We both know you're nothing but a mental-midget trolling this forum posing as some intellectual academic kissing up to astromut hoping he'll give you some credibility.

you have none. never have. never will.

now please kindly go spam some other thread to fill your quota

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I appears Moore is a CIA tool being used to spread fear and lies.
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I agree
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but why? why is he side railing? There is something going on though
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I appears Moore is a CIA tool being used to spread fear and lies.
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without a doubt. Moore is an emotionless cyborg who creates confusion and fear and disseminates scripted counterintelligence.

Like his announcement the other day that 65,000 Russians are coming across the Canadian border with orders "to destroy what the flyby doesn't destroy."

Bullshit. Yes there may be foreign troops and military movements as they prepare to secure areas of the country and go to safe locations and to the underground, but Russians are not going to be walking around killing and destroying everything that this nonexistent flyby doesn't destroy. Planet X is not going to come streaking into our solar system like a comet and make a tight little turn between the Earth and the Sun.

And it's not logical to suggest that a planet 3-5 times the size of Earth somehow caused 30 years of global warming stretching back to the early 80's.

Fuck that's stupid.

Yes we're going to have a serious set of catastrophes, but Moore's assignment is to continue to run the Planet X strolling as a distraction from whatever they're trying to cover up. Even if Planet X, wherever it is, is part of this equation, it's not in the solar system (John said to Ann Morrison on his 7/11 show that Planet X is inside the solar system).

Everyone should realize at this point that now that John Moore has kicked his disinformation campaign into overdrive that we're getting much closer to the end. Moore wouldn't be doing this if we still had two years left. We're entering the next critical phase, and his job is to scare and confuse the masses just enough so they can't take decisive action....as long as you're sitting around thinking that Planet X is inside the solar system, and you're waiting for someone to announce that they've found it, John Moore has done his job.

The reality is that most of us on the surface won't survive this when the crisis hits full throttle...conditions on the surface will be too extreme. John Moore leads people to believe that you can survive with your dehydrated foods and some seeds for next year's harvest....and that keeps people from rioting and looting and quitting their jobs. The Moore storyline is a bogus storyline.
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great post, thanks, what is coming, the sun?
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I telepathically communicate with my dear friend Christiana from the constellation Pleiades Taurus region. I will conduct a Q and A right now with this beautiful lady.
Q Christiana what do you know about Nibiru.
A It is an incoming object that will adversely affect your planet earth.
Q when will Nibiru happen.
A it will be very recent.
Q can yo give me a time frame
A I see this happening this year 2012 the effects are already happening on your outer planets.
A I do not the exact date but it is near.
Q What will be the ramifications of Nibiru passing Earth.
A I see major flooding and a pole shift on your planet.
A I see a 27 degree alteration on your axis.
Q How can people prepare for this Christiana.
A Go to higher places and beware of flooding.
Q What do we need to to do to prepare for this.
A Stock up on food and survival equipment.
Q Do you expect a massive tidal wave to affect coastal regions,
A Yes the information gathered anticipates this.
Q What is the the best way to protect one's family.
A Go to a higher locality,2000 feet up is good.
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No pole shift on August 17.

No pole shift on September 26.

John Moore was rightfully tricked into pushing those dates so he would be discredited.

He is giving oftentimes terrible advice while at the same time selling, selling, selling. Even his radio program, where he dribbles out bits of info and often repeats himself, is self-promotion.

What is funny: John Moore does not realize where the U.S. Navy got their information from in the first place. It was visiting ETs, the good guys!
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Looks like Astromut is having to expand from his usual haunt on GLP because Nibiru/Planet X is being discussed so often now.

As usual he concentrates on ONE piece of evidence and ignores the overall picture. The big picture is this: The earth changes AND what people can see with their own eyes in the sky can no longer be denied. That is what he does not want you to notice nor think about.
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Actually we know that Nibiru doesn't exist. We can exclude that possibility because analysis of the orbits of the planets shows that there is no massive object within at least the radius that a 3600 year orbit would have. Any massive objects that are out there must, must be at farther distances and indeed thanks to the matese hypothesis, we are looking for just such an object.
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how can you or anyone say for sure what this thing is if you don't know what exactly it really is to begin with?

your orbital elements are based on the assumption that this is a "brown dwarf" or class of a planet/star that conforms to known data, while at the same time leaving out the possibility of an object that DOESN'T.

but even if your oribital elements are correct, again, the simulation is based on an assumption that the input data of a brown dwarf is all correct and there can be no other possibility.

Its mostly theory either way no?

in other words, whatever object this is, there's still a chance that it could very well be UNKOWN or uknown to conventional science

what criterion and data is the brown dwarf orbital elements based on?

NASA?

where does the input DATA come from?

NASA?

"independent" sources who probably all have some link to NASA and government on some level or at some point?

So to me your argument isn't as sound as you're making it out to be IMO
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Gravity. Learn what it is.
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The fact that you think gravity and the moon are the cause of all quakes (LOL) shows you're the one that needs to take your advice.

But as usual, shillobot shows up right on cue with the usual EVASION followed by ignorant commentary having nothing to do with the essential issue, point or questions posed that he's obviously too stupid to comprehend.

when are you gonna stop with this charade as if you're some omnipotent authority on celestial mechanics let alone scientist. We both know you're nothing but a mental-midget trolling this forum posing as some intellectual academic kissing up to astromut hoping he'll give you some credibility.

you have none. never have. never will.

now please kindly go spam some other thread to fill your quota

THANKS
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The fact that you think there is an invisible high mass body anywhere near the solar systems shows you should probably work of learning about astronomy and physics.
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I don't mean to be rude but does anyone here read actual books to do research? First and foremost in any Nibiru discussion, you need to have actually READ The Twelfth Planet by Stitchen. Cliff notes and documentaries only scratch the surface of this amazing work. Then try something like Andy Weber's Dark Star. Walter Crittendon is also a must. Study Velikovsky, some ancient history, the Bible, the Kolbrin, the Vedas, throw in the oral legends of almost every culture on the planet, then add some archeology, notice the rise and fall of civilizations (3600ish year cycles). Our ancestors were trying desperately through prophets or stories, or architecture to tell us something important, about the heavens. Research the announcement of Planet X and the immediate back pedaling and hiding after. Listen to abductee stories or Jason Martell. Count the number of dead astronomers, and whistleblowers, Pay attention to our insane weather, as well as the sun and planets ALL being perturbed. Check out the Vatican with major telescopes in Anarctica. Sprinkle in an insane, lying government, covering with more lying Agencies (NASA)(FEMA)(CIA)FBI) hoarding all the planet's resources, acting as though there is no tomorrow, and spending billions to scurry underground, after locking the average Joe up in concentration camps. Now connect the dots........
A large scary body(s) from space (call it Hercobulous, X, Sedona, Dark Night, Dark Twin, comet, meteor, alien ship, or Betty ) is on its way!
WHEN? We can only guess through rumor, home photographs, connected uncles, and speculation because the government sure as hell is not telling you or me and, in fact, are actively and with great malice, covering it up.

Duck and cover,baby!

In the Universe most stars are binary or trinary. Why would we be the exception? The brown dwarf only comes close enough to mess us up every 26 million years, but its buddies,(if they are) Nibiru and others orbit closer to 3600 years. They don't hit us but affect us from afar. They also seem to stir up comets and meteors, shit burns and floods and explodes,and turns read and we suffer and die, and survive and start a new age. Look and see how many people keep photographing second suns. Notice NASA's big new lie about that.(Betelgeuese going supernova!) Mathematically the dwarf sun has been shown to exists (Sorry cannot remember the name of that excellent book-loaned and never returned) but it is still extremely far away! Can't see it cause it never lit. Seems to need infared lenses to view, It also hangs in the OOrt cloud.
It is going to be a big ugly surprise to most people.


There are some videos that will give little clues.

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how can you or anyone say for sure what this thing is if you don't know what exactly it really is to begin with?

your orbital elements are based on the assumption that this is a "brown dwarf" or class of a planet/star that conforms to known data, while at the same time leaving out the possibility of an object that DOESN'T.

but even if your oribital elements are correct, again, the simulation is based on an assumption that the input data of a brown dwarf is all correct and there can be no other possibility.

Its mostly theory either way no?

in other words, whatever object this is, there's still a chance that it could very well be UNKOWN or uknown to conventional science

what criterion and data is the brown dwarf orbital elements based on?

NASA?

where does the input DATA come from?

NASA?

"independent" sources who probably all have some link to NASA and government on some level or at some point?

So to me your argument isn't as sound as you're making it out to be IMO
 Quoting: MatrixLNIN11


Gravity. Learn what it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3555102


The fact that you think gravity and the moon are the cause of all quakes (LOL) shows you're the one that needs to take your advice.

But as usual, shillobot shows up right on cue with the usual EVASION followed by ignorant commentary having nothing to do with the essential issue, point or questions posed that he's obviously too stupid to comprehend.

when are you gonna stop with this charade as if you're some omnipotent authority on celestial mechanics let alone scientist. We both know you're nothing but a mental-midget trolling this forum posing as some intellectual academic kissing up to astromut hoping he'll give you some credibility.

you have none. never have. never will.

now please kindly go spam some other thread to fill your quota

THANKS
 Quoting: MatrixLNIN11

The fact that you think there is an invisible high mass body anywhere near the solar systems shows you should probably work of learning about astronomy and physics.
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The fact that you think there is no possibility that one may be present given all the evidence there IS that possibility, shows what an ignorant fool you are.

The fact that you think you're an authority on celestial mechanics or that there aren't anomalies related that SCIENCE CAN'T SEE or are might be aware of and understand, makes you the biggest fool in this thread if not on GLP.
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NASA response to Nibiru propaganda
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What you have discovered is that Astromut does not address earth changes or the big picture. No matter how many lists of inadequately or totally unexplained things happening right now you or others post, he will ignore them.

Planet X/Nibiru does not even exist according to Astromut, so any EARTH CHANGES or visible to anyone SKY SIGNS will be ignored by him. Such as this list:

1. Sinkholes (worldwide and unexplained)

2. Increasing earthquakes and volcanic eruptions

3. Methane gas released from water and ground

4. Buildings, bridges, cranes, etc. collapsing for no good reason

5. Sun out of position (isn't that in Astromut's self-proclaimed area of expertise, astronomy, yet he will not say WHY people in North America can SEE the sun is often rising and setting WAY too far north and south and the govt will say nothing about it either)

6. Flooding to the point of absurd and always blamed on rain no matter how much or how little rain occurs

7. Extreme drought and dust-bowl like conditions in the U.S.

8. Landslides, worldwide

9. Permafrost melting, fast! Greenland melting way too fast!

10. Extreme weather events, worldwide, both record breaking heat and record breaking cold including snow in summer or places that have like, you know, never seen snow before and the jet stream abnormal, standing up almost vertically instead of a loop

11. Albino animals like never seen before (except during earlier passages of Planet X)

12. Increasingly obvious signs that governments are preparing for some huge event but will not say what (bunkers, Continuity of Government plans, executive orders, etc.)

People are noticing something is very wrong, global warming does not explain it (a few degrees rise in AIR temperature is causing EVERYTHING happening?)

The debunkers usually ignore any theories that do not involve Planet X/Nibiru because they are not concerned about those other things as they know what is the actual cause but will not admit: Planet X!

Astromut refuses to address any of these clear signs and the big picture because he cannot.

Frankly surprised I have not been banned already for daring to point out what Astromut is up to on GLP and how he HIDES from the now overwhelming evidence that earth changes and SKY SIGNS are real and not being explained.
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Astromut will jump on what I posted about the sun being out of position so I need to clarify:

The sun is currently rising too far north from the view in North America.

But in the past few years the sun has ALSO been rising and setting too far south.

Thus my north and south remark.

How can that be? Where the sun rises and sets and the path it takes across the sky are very well known.

But the sun is out of position in impossible ways.

Does the sun shine in windows where it never did before?
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I like to think of myself as open minded when it comes to paranormal, ufo's aliens. As I'm Star Wars, Star Trek fan, I think those go hand in hand cause, of course it would be great to connect with beings from other worlds and learn from them as well as teach them some also.

Now, dreamtime over, real life is we, as humans, can't even live with each other without judgement or prejudice, we can't even tolerate a gay couple next door or people from different skin color, I can't even imagine, a 2 headed lizard moving in the building nor a six foot bat that eats kittens.

Nibiru, what I thought was a possibility, now is just a fairy tale, just like many religions all over the world. Now some will say, hey idiot the Mayans, the Inca, the Sumarians or whoever else left documentation from stone carvings the whatever as proof.
Ok, so if an alien race gets here and we're extinc or whatever reason, then they find all the christmass apparatus, the Xmas movies, story books, statues, will they start looking for Santa Clause also? Then the Easter bunny?

Next argument well look at the stone carvings showing vessels or men in suits or a guy sitting in a rocket maneuvering controls and such, how could they know this if they haven't seen it then carve it as documentation for future generations?!? Hmm, ok, how come I watch Start Trek episodes with starships, warp drives, transporters, replicators unless Gene Roddenberry actually seen all this with his eyes?!? Did lucas visit the Death Star, of course, how else could he have come up with such detail about it?

Ahh yes, Nibiru, coming in with an elliptical orbit from under, OK, STOP right there. Even if it was, it would be coming up from under.... The sun, not earth... Hello, we would see it come up from under the sun before it went behind then come up from top side of sun and then commence it's approach. Would be seen clear as day.

Lesson learned is, not what u see on tv is real, so why would all you see carved in stone is real either. There is no proof, believers rely on FAITH.
Same as religion.... So why ridiculize each other, when in the end FAITH is all everybody has to rely on? This should be recgnized as an opportunity for us all to come together, without regard of race, belief, religion, orientation, to become a civilized race. Maybe then, if aliens are around, they would see us as more than savage, destructive, hating animals and find us worthy of contact.

Right now, all we would like from them is their technology and their weapons and we'd then just turn against them. That's how stupid and greedy we are.
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What you have discovered is that Astromut does not address earth changes or the big picture. No matter how many lists of inadequately or totally unexplained things happening right now you or others post, he will ignore them.

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^this^

It is so exasperating to spend time and energy carefully crafting one solid point over two or three paragraphs only to have that point completely ignored by a tangent argument. I have freely admitted that I can not argue with his seemingly absolute and definitive science, but he just keeps hammering away at it regardless of any other point drawn from clear observation of unusual events. When pushed he and others like him just deny that they are unusual.

I am not stupid. I understand what he says, and I don't thing he is a bad guy at all. It isn't the methods I disagree with or reject, it is the source of the information and who controls it that I don't trust. Numbers don't lie. The problem is where the numbers come from and who controls that information. There are lots of good, well-meaning people who work hard at their jobs in all different fields of study. Those that cling to all that they know are not bad people for doing so. But all of the major sciences are often heavily tied to political and very strongly anti-religious biases. Anything outside of that bias is attacked, denied, and rediculed.

Something big is happening. Some have chosen to just ignore it. Some filter it through a biased lense. But something is happening.
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