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Another Challenge to the Big Bang Theory - Early Universe akin to Water Freezing into Ice or Mass Crystalizing into Matter

 
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Another Challenge to the Big Bang Theory - Early Universe akin to Water Freezing into Ice or Mass Crystalizing into Matter
Big Bang theory challenged by big chill

The start of the Universe should be modeled not as a Big Bang but more like water freezing into ice, according to a team of theoretical physicists at the University of Melbourne and RMIT University. They have suggested that by investigating the cracks and crevices common to all crystals - including ice - our understanding of the nature of the Universe could be revolutionised.

"Think of the early universe as being like a liquid," he said. "Then as the universe cools, it 'crystallises' into the three spatial and one time dimension that we see today. Theorised this way, as the Universe cools, we would expect that cracks should form, similar to the way cracks are formed when water freezes into ice."


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I disagree.


I believe DNA is the building block to all life, and the pattern all cycles work in.

DNA opens, and comes back and closes.
Multiple strands over top of one another, smaller strands that close with bigger ones symbolize the end of certain cycles (eg. 2012 cycle).

The biggest cycle that opens and closes as DNA does would be the big bang.

All the energy in the universe slowly collapses in on itself until it reaches 0 point in which it expands again.

...If the universe is currently still expanding - we have many billion of earth years until it comes closing down again.

...Hard to explain without a pen and paper for me to draw it out - hope you get my point!
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I disagree.


I believe DNA is the building block to all life, and the pattern all cycles work in.

DNA opens, and comes back and closes.
Multiple strands over top of one another, smaller strands that close with bigger ones symbolize the end of certain cycles (eg. 2012 cycle).

The biggest cycle that opens and closes as DNA does would be the big bang.

All the energy in the universe slowly collapses in on itself until it reaches 0 point in which it expands again.

...If the universe is currently still expanding - we have many billion of earth years until it comes closing down again.

...Hard to explain without a pen and paper for me to draw it out - hope you get my point!
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I understand you, and I don't necessarily agree with this premise either.

My take is that the universe is infinite, so it can never collapse back on itself. Red shift is an electrical effect, and so nullifies much about the present 'big bang' theory.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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I disagree.


I believe DNA is the building block to all life, and the pattern all cycles work in.

DNA opens, and comes back and closes.
Multiple strands over top of one another, smaller strands that close with bigger ones symbolize the end of certain cycles (eg. 2012 cycle).

The biggest cycle that opens and closes as DNA does would be the big bang.

All the energy in the universe slowly collapses in on itself until it reaches 0 point in which it expands again.

...If the universe is currently still expanding - we have many billion of earth years until it comes closing down again.

...Hard to explain without a pen and paper for me to draw it out - hope you get my point!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


I understand you, and I don't necessarily agree with this premise either.

My take is that the universe is infinite, so it can never collapse back on itself. Red shift is an electrical effect, and so nullifies much about the present 'big bang' theory.
 Quoting: Stepping through My Shadow


I see your point, but the way I think is that everything is a cycle...No matter how grand.

How could something be ever expanding?

How could life exist without death?...Meaning, how can one thing keep continuing to grow without being allowed to die?
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Re: Another Challenge to the Big Bang Theory - Early Universe akin to Water Freezing into Ice or Mass Crystalizing into Matter
I disagree.


I believe DNA is the building block to all life, and the pattern all cycles work in.

DNA opens, and comes back and closes.
Multiple strands over top of one another, smaller strands that close with bigger ones symbolize the end of certain cycles (eg. 2012 cycle).

The biggest cycle that opens and closes as DNA does would be the big bang.

All the energy in the universe slowly collapses in on itself until it reaches 0 point in which it expands again.

...If the universe is currently still expanding - we have many billion of earth years until it comes closing down again.

...Hard to explain without a pen and paper for me to draw it out - hope you get my point!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


I understand you, and I don't necessarily agree with this premise either.

My take is that the universe is infinite, so it can never collapse back on itself. Red shift is an electrical effect, and so nullifies much about the present 'big bang' theory.
 Quoting: Stepping through My Shadow


I see your point, but the way I think is that everything is a cycle...No matter how grand.

How could something be ever expanding?

How could life exist without death?...Meaning, how can one thing keep continuing to grow without being allowed to die?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


But what you are saying is eternal as well. Forever collapsing and beginning...over and over in cycles.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Re: Another Challenge to the Big Bang Theory - Early Universe akin to Water Freezing into Ice or Mass Crystalizing into Matter
I disagree.


I believe DNA is the building block to all life, and the pattern all cycles work in.

DNA opens, and comes back and closes.
Multiple strands over top of one another, smaller strands that close with bigger ones symbolize the end of certain cycles (eg. 2012 cycle).

The biggest cycle that opens and closes as DNA does would be the big bang.

All the energy in the universe slowly collapses in on itself until it reaches 0 point in which it expands again.

...If the universe is currently still expanding - we have many billion of earth years until it comes closing down again.

...Hard to explain without a pen and paper for me to draw it out - hope you get my point!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


I understand you, and I don't necessarily agree with this premise either.

My take is that the universe is infinite, so it can never collapse back on itself. Red shift is an electrical effect, and so nullifies much about the present 'big bang' theory.
 Quoting: Stepping through My Shadow


I see your point, but the way I think is that everything is a cycle...No matter how grand.

How could something be ever expanding?

How could life exist without death?...Meaning, how can one thing keep continuing to grow without being allowed to die?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


But what you are saying is eternal as well. Forever collapsing and beginning...over and over in cycles.
 Quoting: Stepping through My Shadow


Exactly.

Life and death is the balance, even though the cycle continues.

Eternal does not mean ever expanding - Death is not the end, just a new beginning.
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I think we are very close to being on the same page.

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but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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No seriously, it happened.
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Ea, with Water, Won Earth
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I think we are very close to being on the same page.

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I agree - which is why talking about it always helps myself, and others see the bigger picture.

I think at the end of the day - the true 'God' (not the one this Earth knows) resides in the highest dimension.

His 'all knowing' aspect, comes from knowing the cycles and their properties.

There is so much to discuss, and I wish I had more people in my life to discuss it with...Because being able to draw diagrams and discuss in person is always easiest.

However, I am very happy you were able to see my point about the DNA sequence cycle which appears to be a building block of all life.

...After all, the universe is alive.
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I think we are very close to being on the same page.

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I agree - which is why talking about it always helps myself, and others see the bigger picture.

I think at the end of the day - the true 'God' (not the one this Earth knows) resides in the highest dimension.

His 'all knowing' aspect, comes from knowing the cycles and their properties.

There is so much to discuss, and I wish I had more people in my life to discuss it with...Because being able to draw diagrams and discuss in person is always easiest.

However, I am very happy you were able to see my point about the DNA sequence cycle which appears to be a building block of all life.

...After all, the universe is alive.
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lol, our thinking is very, very similar.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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No seriously, it happened.
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"EARTHFALL
Alalu Nukes to Earth, Said Gold’s Here, Threatened Nibiru
Ea, with Water, Won Earth
Ea Fired Pilot Anzu
Ea Sent Abgal to Nibiru with Gold Samples"
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That is one step up from our picture, knowing this enables us to see a bigger picture.

However, many things above this.
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I want to add, view how our solar system revolves around our galaxy.

DNA Strand?
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I want to add, view how our solar system revolves around our galaxy.

DNA Strand?
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yep
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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BUMP ...because I like this thread
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Re: Another Challenge to the Big Bang Theory - Early Universe akin to Water Freezing into Ice or Mass Crystalizing into Matter
I disagree.


I believe DNA is the building block to all life, and the pattern all cycles work in.

DNA opens, and comes back and closes.
Multiple strands over top of one another, smaller strands that close with bigger ones symbolize the end of certain cycles (eg. 2012 cycle).

The biggest cycle that opens and closes as DNA does would be the big bang.

All the energy in the universe slowly collapses in on itself until it reaches 0 point in which it expands again.

...If the universe is currently still expanding - we have many billion of earth years until it comes closing down again.

...Hard to explain without a pen and paper for me to draw it out - hope you get my point!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


The Grand Cycle.

To me, all of existence is simply a massive series of sin waves... eternally ebbing and flowing, up and down, over and over...

We can see this cycle in our waking and sleeping, heart beat, breathing, blinking... it's literally everywhere!!



This is the same principle that allows light to travel billions of miles in a vacuum. Ebb and flow.
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I disagree.


I believe DNA is the building block to all life, and the pattern all cycles work in.

DNA opens, and comes back and closes.
Multiple strands over top of one another, smaller strands that close with bigger ones symbolize the end of certain cycles (eg. 2012 cycle).

The biggest cycle that opens and closes as DNA does would be the big bang.

All the energy in the universe slowly collapses in on itself until it reaches 0 point in which it expands again.

...If the universe is currently still expanding - we have many billion of earth years until it comes closing down again.

...Hard to explain without a pen and paper for me to draw it out - hope you get my point!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


The Grand Cycle.

To me, all of existence is simply a massive series of sin waves... eternally ebbing and flowing, up and down, over and over...

We can see this cycle in our waking and sleeping, heart beat, breathing, blinking... it's literally everywhere!!



This is the same principle that allows light to travel billions of miles in a vacuum. Ebb and flow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16151153


As I agree with you, I think there's more to it than that.

There's always positive and negative in some sort of balance.
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I disagree.


I believe DNA is the building block to all life, and the pattern all cycles work in.

DNA opens, and comes back and closes.
Multiple strands over top of one another, smaller strands that close with bigger ones symbolize the end of certain cycles (eg. 2012 cycle).

The biggest cycle that opens and closes as DNA does would be the big bang.

All the energy in the universe slowly collapses in on itself until it reaches 0 point in which it expands again.

...If the universe is currently still expanding - we have many billion of earth years until it comes closing down again.

...Hard to explain without a pen and paper for me to draw it out - hope you get my point!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


The Grand Cycle.

To me, all of existence is simply a massive series of sin waves... eternally ebbing and flowing, up and down, over and over...

We can see this cycle in our waking and sleeping, heart beat, breathing, blinking... it's literally everywhere!!



This is the same principle that allows light to travel billions of miles in a vacuum. Ebb and flow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16151153


As I agree with you, I think there's more to it than that.

There's always positive and negative in some sort of balance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


I totally agree.

I'm just saying that in a most basic essence, this ebb and flow permeates EVERYTHING.


Have you ever drawn any sacred geometry? It's really cool, honestly. As you draw it you can see cyclical patterns that repeat for eternity, ebbing and flowing forever.

You also begin to realize that everything breathes. Breathing is merely another expanding/contracting cycle that manifests everywhere: respiration, electromagnetic energy fields, light waves, machine code (0s and 1s), ect.
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I disagree.


I believe DNA is the building block to all life, and the pattern all cycles work in.

DNA opens, and comes back and closes.
Multiple strands over top of one another, smaller strands that close with bigger ones symbolize the end of certain cycles (eg. 2012 cycle).

The biggest cycle that opens and closes as DNA does would be the big bang.

All the energy in the universe slowly collapses in on itself until it reaches 0 point in which it expands again.

...If the universe is currently still expanding - we have many billion of earth years until it comes closing down again.

...Hard to explain without a pen and paper for me to draw it out - hope you get my point!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


The Grand Cycle.

To me, all of existence is simply a massive series of sin waves... eternally ebbing and flowing, up and down, over and over...

We can see this cycle in our waking and sleeping, heart beat, breathing, blinking... it's literally everywhere!!



This is the same principle that allows light to travel billions of miles in a vacuum. Ebb and flow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16151153


As I agree with you, I think there's more to it than that.

There's always positive and negative in some sort of balance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


I totally agree.

I'm just saying that in a most basic essence, this ebb and flow permeates EVERYTHING.


Have you ever drawn any sacred geometry? It's really cool, honestly. As you draw it you can see cyclical patterns that repeat for eternity, ebbing and flowing forever.

You also begin to realize that everything breathes. Breathing is merely another expanding/contracting cycle that manifests everywhere: respiration, electromagnetic energy fields, light waves, machine code (0s and 1s), ect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16151153


As you said, the universe is very much alive. It is constantly breathing.
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I disagree.


I believe DNA is the building block to all life, and the pattern all cycles work in.

DNA opens, and comes back and closes.
Multiple strands over top of one another, smaller strands that close with bigger ones symbolize the end of certain cycles (eg. 2012 cycle).

The biggest cycle that opens and closes as DNA does would be the big bang.

All the energy in the universe slowly collapses in on itself until it reaches 0 point in which it expands again.

...If the universe is currently still expanding - we have many billion of earth years until it comes closing down again.

...Hard to explain without a pen and paper for me to draw it out - hope you get my point!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


The Grand Cycle.

To me, all of existence is simply a massive series of sin waves... eternally ebbing and flowing, up and down, over and over...

We can see this cycle in our waking and sleeping, heart beat, breathing, blinking... it's literally everywhere!!



This is the same principle that allows light to travel billions of miles in a vacuum. Ebb and flow.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16151153


As I agree with you, I think there's more to it than that.

There's always positive and negative in some sort of balance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1266452


I totally agree.

I'm just saying that in a most basic essence, this ebb and flow permeates EVERYTHING.


Have you ever drawn any sacred geometry? It's really cool, honestly. As you draw it you can see cyclical patterns that repeat for eternity, ebbing and flowing forever.

You also begin to realize that everything breathes. Breathing is merely another expanding/contracting cycle that manifests everywhere: respiration, electromagnetic energy fields, light waves, machine code (0s and 1s), ect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16151153


Yes, I have.

And I feel connected, especially with the knowledge I have gained regarding scared geometry.

I actually wear a flower of life around my neck.
...It's the only belief I truly have.
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That has to be the trippiest fractals pic I've seen yet.

Awesome!
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That has to be the trippiest fractals pic I've seen yet.

Awesome!
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Agreed!

Thanks for the pic!
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That has to be the trippiest fractals pic I've seen yet.

Awesome!
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Agreed!

Thanks for the pic!
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haha!

I thought so too.

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"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Good news! Universe not a fractal, study finds
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