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Calling all Iconoclasts... Enter. The Truth of Our Origins.

 
Éireann

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I am being deceived by nothing.
 Quoting: Heretic_333

That is the statement of the truly self-deceived.

You worship yourself as the master of parsing reality.

You basically think of yourself, intellectually speaking, as a God. You believe if you are clever enough, you will not die.

It is the oldest deception of all.

Like others have pointed out, you give no account for the initial cause of Life, and the creation of the universe.

The glory belongs to God. And you know it.
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AC 8597527, I highly recommend reading the works of Christian Philosopher, Soren Kierkegaard.

If you truly wish to impart what you view as wisdom to another person, you must first have an understanding of the situational awareness of that person. Surface judgements and simply saying, based on a feeling, that a person is deceived because their perspective of Divinity or Life differs from yours, only serves to further separate both of you from learning anything from each other.

On March 30th, 1846, Kierkegaard published "Two Ages: A Literary Review" which was a critique of the novel "Two Ages" written by Thomasine Christine Gyllembourg-Ehrensvärd. In this work, Kierkegaard attacked the conformity and assimilation of individuals into "the crowd".

Here is an excerpt from a Wiki article written about Kierkegaard's analysis of "the crowd". The article uses too many external links instead of actual footnotes for my taste, but the author's synopsis of Kierkegaard's critique is very good.

As part of his analysis of the "crowd", Kierkegaard accused newspapers of decay and decadence. Kierkegaard stated Christendom had "lost its way" by recognizing "the crowd," as the many who are moved by newspaper stories, as the court of last resort in relation to "the truth." Truth comes to a single individual, not all people at one and the same time. Just as truth comes to one individual at a time so does love. One doesn't love the crowd but does love their neighbor, who is a single individual. He says, "never have I read in the Holy Scriptures this command: You shall love the crowd; even less: You shall, ethico-religiously, recognize in the crowd the court of last resort in relation to 'the truth.'"[72] Kierkegaard takes out his wrath on the crowd, the public, and especially the newspapers in this short sample of his work. In this quote he also gives an inkling of what true Christianity is like. God must be the middle term.[73]
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"...Do you dare to claim that human beings, in a crowd, are just as quick to reach for truth, which is not always palatable, as for untruth, which is always deliciously prepared, when in addition this must be combined with an admission that one has let oneself be deceived! Or do you dare to claim that "the truth" is just as quick to let itself be understood as is untruth, which requires no previous knowledge, no schooling, no discipline, no abstinence, no self-denial, no honest self-concern, no patient labor! No, "the truth," which detests this untruth, the only goal of which is to desire its increase, is not so quick on its feet. Firstly, it cannot work through the fantastical, which is the untruth; its communicator is only a single individual. And its communication relates itself once again to the single individual; for in this view of life the single individual is precisely the truth. The truth can neither be communicated nor be received without being as it were before the eyes of God, nor without God's help, nor without God being involved as the middle term, since he is the truth. It can therefore only be communicated by and received by "the single individual," which, for that matter, every single human being who lives could be: this is the determination of the truth in contrast to the abstract, the fantastical, impersonal, "the crowd" "the public," which excludes God as the middle term (for the personal God cannot be the middle term in an impersonal relation), and also thereby the truth, for God is the truth and its middle term." - Søren Kierkegaard, Copenhagen, Spring 1847
 Quoting: Soren Kierkegaard


[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Please forgive the wall of words in this post, but Kierkegaard's words here are important for all us to understand. The search for Truth is an individual journey; revealing itself slowly to each of us as we are able understand it. Truth changes and evolves as we continue to question that which we believe to be true about ourselves and the nature of the Divine. Truth is not a collective epiphany. It is the result of a single individual reaching out to touch the face of the Divine. Therefore, to say one is deceived is not only judgmental, it is a mirror reflecting back upon ourselves that which we do not understand because it exists outside the comfort of the collective. For without the collective reconfirming conformity, we are then forced to look deeply into ourselves and face that which we fear and do not understand.

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Eireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

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FFS, somebody sum this up.
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You know nothing.
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Agreed.
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bump for more info! keep it coming!!
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bump for more info! keep it coming!!
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All creation stories come from the Sumerian Creation Epic, "The Enuma E'lish".

6 tablets of Action. 1 Tablet of Summation.

THE FIRST TABLET

When in the height heaven was not named,
And the earth beneath did not yet bear a name,
And the primeval Apsu, who begat them,
And chaos, Tiamut, the mother of them both
Their waters were mingled together,
And no field was formed, no marsh was to be seen;
When of the gods none had been called into being,
And none bore a name, and no destinies were ordained;
Then were created the gods in the midst of heaven,

FFW to THE SIXTH TABLET

When Marduk heard the word of the gods,
His heart prompted him and he devised a cunning plan.
He opened his mouth and unto Ea he spake
That which he had conceived in his heart he imparted unto him:
"My blood will I take and bone will I fashion
I will make man, that man may
I will create man who shall inhabit the earth,
That the service of the gods may be established, and that their shrines may be built.


Anyways, nearly all creation stories, including
genesis of the Bible, are merely loosely translated
Ancient Babylonian.

The 10,000 year old Sumerian Creation Epic, is actually
telling the story of our Cosmogony.

Look in the OP, everything under "The Dawn of Sumer"
I note several of the world's most puzzling astronomical
and geological questions being answered by the ancient
texts most civilizations base their beginnings on.
 Quoting: Heretic_333

I was reading back through your posts, Heretic, and found this one to be so refreshing. Not many people actually research the foundations of Man's understanding of how we came to be nor do they see the evolution of Man's spirituality as he has better come to understand the universe and our place in it. I find that it is essential to go back and start at the earliest recorded accounts of Man's journey in order to understand how we came to believe what we believe at this time.

I think you know that I don't focus so much on this physical "matter" state of being as much as I do a more spiritual view. However, my father firmly believes that the "form" of our physical evolution was "seeded" by beings from another world. The reason he believes this is because they have been searching for centuries for the so-called "missing link" and have yet to find it. I find my father's theory intriguing and you and he share a similar belief. I am not sure I believe that earth has been visited by beings from other planets, but I can't rule it out. It is an unknown for me at this time, but perhaps with more research and a change of perspective, I will come to see our physical evolution differently.

I've enjoyed this thread very, very much. The discussion has been wonderfully thought provoking which is right up my alley :)
Eireann~

Eisteacht le gra! ~ArunaLuna (Translation from Gaelic: "Listen to Love!")

"And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale." - Thomas Jefferson, from a Letter to John Taylor written in 1816

"Unfortunately, it is in the nature of man to tinker - even with immutable truth. Thus, we must be ever vigilant... - James Munford

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I've enjoyed this thread very, very much. The discussion has been wonderfully thought provoking which is right up my alley :)
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Aye, me too. A big Thanks to Heretic and all that openly discussed and explored the information without preconcepts.

This material is straight up my alley as well, love it! :-)


My hope is that we can all grow enough to be ready to receive more..

~Cheers!
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I generally respond to any comment, but please guys,
can we limit the Religion and spirituality?

This thread is about disproving Primate Evolution.
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You have not responded to any of mine.
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WHY AM I INSIDE A "MATRIX" IN THE FIRST PLACE?

THAT IS A FACT.

CAN YOU ELABORATE?
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^^I don't know why I just quoted all that, sorry.
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Mother ucker! I'm on my iPhone I had to scroll down all that bunch... My thumb hurts now...
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Actually, he clearly states, "We don't think God did it." that only leaves " other life form" whose creation he doesn't attempt to explain.
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Yea and that's why his post is meaningless. If he can't explain how life itself came to existence, why does it matter how humans came to existence?
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I dont think you read this thread thru.. at all!
If you had you wouldnt be here posting what you did.

This is not about God or the origins of the Annunaki, it is about disproving Primate Evolution. It was stated that was the focus of this thread when folks tried to derail it due to fear and old programming influencing their current thoughts and perception.

I sincerely doubt any earth human has that knowledge, and if they do, its only a handful of folks, Think about it.

This threads focus is to offer information about OUR beginnings, and mentions some authors whom you can reference to begin your own education in these matters, That's it.
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I'm looking through the posts and seeing a lot of biblical postings.

First off, I'm a Christian...

But, the Bible obviously has various meanings implanted within the text. Did it not ever occur to you that some passages might be allegorical, some might have historical, literal, and esoteric meanings, some might elude to astrological occurences?

If you look at Revelations, this is plainly true. There are multiple meanings, multiple events, on earth, in heaven, in the solar system going on all at once, three or four cycles occuring simultaniously. Symobolic meanings, literal meanings, esoteric meanings, astrological meanings, all within one set of text...

Who's to say that one of the meanings in Genesis is that Ad'am and Eve were merely representative of the beginning of a species created through genetic engineering, that the tree of knowledge was representative of the leap from an instinctual animal to sentinent being (the fusing of chromosomes 2 and 3 into one chromosome), that the garden was not merely representative of the earth prior to this genetic leap, prior to this change to a sentinent being, perhaps we've been in paradise all along but this "change" has made it impossible for us to see this, or live without conscience as we did prior to this leap.

He placed at the east of E'den, Cherubim with flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life (the sunrise and the sunset).

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever;

I mean really guys, if Ad'am and Eve weren't meant to be simply representative of the beginning of a genetically engineered species, then where did Cain's wife, and many other wives in the begats, come from?

And, after all, a person created from the tissue (DNA) of another sounds exactly like genetic enginering to me.

And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And Ad'am said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called Woman, because she was taken from man...


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"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

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I'm looking through the posts and seeing a lot of biblical postings.

First off, I'm a Christian...

But, the Bible obviously has various meanings implanted within the text. Did it not ever occur to you that some passages might be alegorical, some might have both literal and esoteric meanings, some might elude to astrological occurences?

If you look at Revelations, this is plainly true. There are multiple meanings, multiple events, on earth, in heaven, in the solar system going on all at once, three or four cycles occuring simultaniously.

Who's to say that one of the meanings in Genesis is that Adam and Eve were merely representative of the beginning of a species created through genetic engineering, that the tree of knowledge was not representative of the leap from an instinctual animal to sentinent being, that the garden was not merely representative of the earth prior to this genetic leap, perhaps we've been in paradise all along?

He placed at the east of E'den, cherubim with flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life (the sunset).

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever;

I mean really guys, if A'dam and Eve weren't meant to be simply representative of the beginning of a genetically engineered species, then where did Cain's wife, and many other wives in the begats, come from?

I mean after all, a person created from the tissue (DNA) of another sounds exactly like genetic enginering to me...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Very true...another who has eyes open...

The number 7 has a lot of meaning and used a lot...

Adam was FIRST man...made in the Creator God's image...Just as a child born today...the DNA of the father makes the child in OUR image...in which we are also in Creator God's image...

Eve first woman...same thing...

Cain had a wife from one of the other HUMAN beings that were created...7 daughters of Eve...7 sons of Adam...created from 14 different hosts...7 males and 7 females born unto them...by the Creator God using DNA...
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I'm looking through the posts and seeing a lot of biblical postings.

First off, I'm a Christian...

But, the Bible obviously has various meanings implanted within the text. Did it not ever occur to you that some passages might be alegorical, some might have both literal and esoteric meanings, some might elude to astrological occurences?

If you look at Revelations, this is plainly true. There are multiple meanings, multiple events, on earth, in heaven, in the solar system going on all at once, three or four cycles occuring simultaniously.

Who's to say that one of the meanings in Genesis is that Adam and Eve were merely representative of the beginning of a species created through genetic engineering, that the tree of knowledge was not representative of the leap from an instinctual animal to sentinent being, that the garden was not merely representative of the earth prior to this genetic leap, perhaps we've been in paradise all along?

He placed at the east of E'den, cherubim with flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life (the sunset).

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever;

I mean really guys, if A'dam and Eve weren't meant to be simply representative of the beginning of a genetically engineered species, then where did Cain's wife, and many other wives in the begats, come from?

I mean after all, a person created from the tissue (DNA) of another sounds exactly like genetic enginering to me...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Very true...another who has eyes open...

The number 7 has a lot of meaning and used a lot...

Adam was FIRST man...made in the Creator God's image...Just as a child born today...the DNA of the father makes the child in OUR image...in which we are also in Creator God's image...

Eve first woman...same thing...

Cain had a wife from one of the other HUMAN beings that were created...7 daughters of Eve...7 sons of Adam...created from 14 different hosts...7 males and 7 females born unto them...by the Creator God using DNA...
 Quoting: Settle4It


Yeah, I didn't even mention the "created in his image" part of the tale, what better way to make something from your image than to implant your DNA into its chromosomes...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

"We don't rent pigs!"
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I'm looking through the posts and seeing a lot of biblical postings.

First off, I'm a Christian...

But, the Bible obviously has various meanings implanted within the text. Did it not ever occur to you that some passages might be alegorical, some might have both literal and esoteric meanings, some might elude to astrological occurences?

If you look at Revelations, this is plainly true. There are multiple meanings, multiple events, on earth, in heaven, in the solar system going on all at once, three or four cycles occuring simultaniously.

Who's to say that one of the meanings in Genesis is that Adam and Eve were merely representative of the beginning of a species created through genetic engineering, that the tree of knowledge was not representative of the leap from an instinctual animal to sentinent being, that the garden was not merely representative of the earth prior to this genetic leap, perhaps we've been in paradise all along?

He placed at the east of E'den, cherubim with flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life (the sunset).

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever;

I mean really guys, if A'dam and Eve weren't meant to be simply representative of the beginning of a genetically engineered species, then where did Cain's wife, and many other wives in the begats, come from?

I mean after all, a person created from the tissue (DNA) of another sounds exactly like genetic enginering to me...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Very true...another who has eyes open...

The number 7 has a lot of meaning and used a lot...

Adam was FIRST man...made in the Creator God's image...Just as a child born today...the DNA of the father makes the child in OUR image...in which we are also in Creator God's image...

Eve first woman...same thing...

Cain had a wife from one of the other HUMAN beings that were created...7 daughters of Eve...7 sons of Adam...created from 14 different hosts...7 males and 7 females born unto them...by the Creator God using DNA...
 Quoting: Settle4It


Yeah, I didn't even mention the "created in his image" part of the tale, what better way to make something from your image than to implant your DNA into its chromosomes...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Got that right!...chuckle
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Bumping this again : ).......

and including a video that features Geneticist William Brown as interviewed by Alfred L. Webre on the topic of genetic manipulation (as it directly relates to this thread.

Keep it coming Heretic!!

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I'm looking through the posts and seeing a lot of biblical postings.

First off, I'm a Christian...

But, the Bible obviously has various meanings implanted within the text. Did it not ever occur to you that some passages might be allegorical, some might have historical, literal, and esoteric meanings, some might elude to astrological occurences?

If you look at Revelations, this is plainly true. There are multiple meanings, multiple events, on earth, in heaven, in the solar system going on all at once, three or four cycles occuring simultaniously. Symobolic meanings, literal meanings, esoteric meanings, astrological meanings, all within one set of text...

Who's to say that one of the meanings in Genesis is that Ad'am and Eve were merely representative of the beginning of a species created through genetic engineering, that the tree of knowledge was representative of the leap from an instinctual animal to sentinent being (the fusing of chromosomes 2 and 3 into one chromosome), that the garden was not merely representative of the earth prior to this genetic leap, prior to this change to a sentinent being, perhaps we've been in paradise all along but this "change" has made it impossible for us to see this, or live without conscience as we did prior to this leap.

He placed at the east of E'den, Cherubim with flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life (the sunrise and the sunset).

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever;

I mean really guys, if Ad'am and Eve weren't meant to be simply representative of the beginning of a genetically engineered species, then where did Cain's wife, and many other wives in the begats, come from?

And, after all, a person created from the tissue (DNA) of another sounds exactly like genetic enginering to me.

And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And Ad'am said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called Woman, because she was taken from man...

 Quoting: Saddletramp


^^ i like yer thinking.. may the biblical text, and indeed others, might be the written texts of those forgone interpreting that which we still try to understand today?
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More to follow folks. =]
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SHITTTTTT No.....

Enough wall of text already....

Your pen ink gonna run out......
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I'm looking through the posts and seeing a lot of biblical postings.

First off, I'm a Christian...

But, the Bible obviously has various meanings implanted within the text. Did it not ever occur to you that some passages might be allegorical, some might have historical, literal, and esoteric meanings, some might elude to astrological occurences?

If you look at Revelations, this is plainly true. There are multiple meanings, multiple events, on earth, in heaven, in the solar system going on all at once, three or four cycles occuring simultaniously. Symobolic meanings, literal meanings, esoteric meanings, astrological meanings, all within one set of text...

Who's to say that one of the meanings in Genesis is that Ad'am and Eve were merely representative of the beginning of a species created through genetic engineering, that the tree of knowledge was representative of the leap from an instinctual animal to sentinent being (the fusing of chromosomes 2 and 3 into one chromosome), that the garden was not merely representative of the earth prior to this genetic leap, prior to this change to a sentinent being, perhaps we've been in paradise all along but this "change" has made it impossible for us to see this, or live without conscience as we did prior to this leap.

He placed at the east of E'den, Cherubim with flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life (the sunrise and the sunset).

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever;

I mean really guys, if Ad'am and Eve weren't meant to be simply representative of the beginning of a genetically engineered species, then where did Cain's wife, and many other wives in the begats, come from?

And, after all, a person created from the tissue (DNA) of another sounds exactly like genetic enginering to me.

And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And Ad'am said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called Woman, because she was taken from man...

 Quoting: Saddletramp


^^ i like yer thinking.. may the biblical text, and indeed others, might be the written texts of those forgone interpreting that which we still try to understand today?
 Quoting: citizenperth


Yeah, I think so, church dogma today rarely teaches the esoteric and symbolic means which are plainly laced within much of the text of the Bible. They instead focus on the literal interpretations, which may also be valid in some cases, but by doing this we lose much of the meaning that was meant to be conveyed to us in the Bible. I think originally the people who wrote the text, and the early priests understood these meanings and perhaps even took them for granted, which one of the reasons we see so much confussion around the meanings of biblical passages today. That and it's just easier to think in a linear fashion and take only a literal meaning away from our reading, rather than thinking in dimensions and looking for esoteric meanings. This is especially true in the biblical stories and prophetic passages, where meanings are stacked on top of meanings...

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"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

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Why is Mr Pye constantly allowed to panhandle on this site?
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Why is Mr Pye constantly allowed to panhandle on this site?
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Cuz Pye is right!
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I'm looking through the posts and seeing a lot of biblical postings.

First off, I'm a Christian...

But, the Bible obviously has various meanings implanted within the text. Did it not ever occur to you that some passages might be allegorical, some might have historical, literal, and esoteric meanings, some might elude to astrological occurences?

If you look at Revelations, this is plainly true. There are multiple meanings, multiple events, on earth, in heaven, in the solar system going on all at once, three or four cycles occuring simultaniously. Symobolic meanings, literal meanings, esoteric meanings, astrological meanings, all within one set of text...

Who's to say that one of the meanings in Genesis is that Ad'am and Eve were merely representative of the beginning of a species created through genetic engineering, that the tree of knowledge was representative of the leap from an instinctual animal to sentinent being (the fusing of chromosomes 2 and 3 into one chromosome), that the garden was not merely representative of the earth prior to this genetic leap, prior to this change to a sentinent being, perhaps we've been in paradise all along but this "change" has made it impossible for us to see this, or live without conscience as we did prior to this leap.

He placed at the east of E'den, Cherubim with flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life (the sunrise and the sunset).

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever;

I mean really guys, if Ad'am and Eve weren't meant to be simply representative of the beginning of a genetically engineered species, then where did Cain's wife, and many other wives in the begats, come from?

And, after all, a person created from the tissue (DNA) of another sounds exactly like genetic enginering to me.

And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And Ad'am said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called Woman, because she was taken from man...

 Quoting: Saddletramp


^^ i like yer thinking.. may the biblical text, and indeed others, might be the written texts of those forgone interpreting that which we still try to understand today?
 Quoting: citizenperth


Yeah, I think so, church dogma today rarely teaches the esoteric and symbolic means which are plainly laced within much of the text of the Bible. They instead focus on the literal interpretations, which may also be valid in some cases, but by doing this we lose much of the meaning that was meant to be conveyed to us in the Bible. I think originally the people who wrote the text, and the early priests understood these meanings and perhaps even took them for granted, which why we see so much confussion around the meanings of biblical passages today...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


If humanity as a whole would just take a step back...forget the teachings learned in sunday school...read the ancient text with an open mind...Oh the things they would see!
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I'm looking through the posts and seeing a lot of biblical postings.

First off, I'm a Christian...

But, the Bible obviously has various meanings implanted within the text. Did it not ever occur to you that some passages might be allegorical, some might have historical, literal, and esoteric meanings, some might elude to astrological occurences?

If you look at Revelations, this is plainly true. There are multiple meanings, multiple events, on earth, in heaven, in the solar system going on all at once, three or four cycles occuring simultaniously. Symobolic meanings, literal meanings, esoteric meanings, astrological meanings, all within one set of text...

Who's to say that one of the meanings in Genesis is that Ad'am and Eve were merely representative of the beginning of a species created through genetic engineering, that the tree of knowledge was representative of the leap from an instinctual animal to sentinent being (the fusing of chromosomes 2 and 3 into one chromosome), that the garden was not merely representative of the earth prior to this genetic leap, prior to this change to a sentinent being, perhaps we've been in paradise all along but this "change" has made it impossible for us to see this, or live without conscience as we did prior to this leap.

He placed at the east of E'den, Cherubim with flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life (the sunrise and the sunset).

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil, and now, lest he put forth his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever;

I mean really guys, if Ad'am and Eve weren't meant to be simply representative of the beginning of a genetically engineered species, then where did Cain's wife, and many other wives in the begats, come from?

And, after all, a person created from the tissue (DNA) of another sounds exactly like genetic enginering to me.

And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

And Ad'am said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh, she shall be called Woman, because she was taken from man...

 Quoting: Saddletramp


^^ i like yer thinking.. may the biblical text, and indeed others, might be the written texts of those forgone interpreting that which we still try to understand today?
 Quoting: citizenperth


Yeah, I think so, church dogma today rarely teaches the esoteric and symbolic means which are plainly laced within much of the text of the Bible. They instead focus on the literal interpretations, which may also be valid in some cases, but by doing this we lose much of the meaning that was meant to be conveyed to us in the Bible. I think originally the people who wrote the text, and the early priests understood these meanings and perhaps even took them for granted, which why we see so much confussion around the meanings of biblical passages today...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


If humanity as a whole would just take a step back...forget the teachings learned in sunday school...read the ancient text with an open mind...Oh the things they would see!
 Quoting: Settle4It


Amen...

Oh BTW, I see you're a writer. Has your book been published yet??? I have one coming out soon...hopefully

[link to www.skinchanger.com]
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

"We don't rent pigs!"
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Amen...

Oh BTW, I see you're a writer. Has your book been published yet??? I have one coming out soon...hopefully

[link to www.skinchanger.com]
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Yes she is out...have you signed with a publisher yet?...I used Publish America...not a bad company...
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Amen...

Oh BTW, I see you're a writer. Has your book been published yet??? I have one coming out soon...hopefully

[link to www.skinchanger.com]
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Yes she is out...have you signed with a publisher yet?...I used Publish America...not a bad company...
 Quoting: Settle4It


Yes, I signed with a small publishing house out of Florida called Blackwater Press, the Editor was originally with Random House and recently stepped out on his own. I hope it works out, I've had a previous contract on this book that didn't (Publisher took banruptcy prior to publishing my book).

I'm doing a final proof edit right now before sending it in for typesetting...

Is your book available on Amazon?

Or should I go to the Publish America website?
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

"We don't rent pigs!"
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Amen...

Oh BTW, I see you're a writer. Has your book been published yet??? I have one coming out soon...hopefully

[link to www.skinchanger.com]
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Yes she is out...have you signed with a publisher yet?...I used Publish America...not a bad company...
 Quoting: Settle4It


Yes, I signed with a small publishing house out of Florida called Blackwater Press, the Editor was originally with Random House and recently stepped out on his own. I hope it works out, I've had a previous contract on this book that didn't (Publisher took banruptcy prior to publishing my book).

I'm doing a final proof edit right now before sending it in for typesetting...

Is your book available on Amazon?

Or should I go to the Publish America website?
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Amazon has been a good place to buy it...Give me some info on your book so I may buy it when it hits the stands!
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bump :Great post...Ta Ops for all
the hard work:) 5 stars and some
green.

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Amen...

Oh BTW, I see you're a writer. Has your book been published yet??? I have one coming out soon...hopefully

[link to www.skinchanger.com]
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Yes she is out...have you signed with a publisher yet?...I used Publish America...not a bad company...
 Quoting: Settle4It


Yes, I signed with a small publishing house out of Florida called Blackwater Press, the Editor was originally with Random House and recently stepped out on his own. I hope it works out, I've had a previous contract on this book that didn't (Publisher took banruptcy prior to publishing my book).

I'm doing a final proof edit right now before sending it in for typesetting...

Is your book available on Amazon?

Or should I go to the Publish America website?
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Amazon has been a good place to buy it...Give me some info on your book so I may buy it when it hits the stands!
 Quoting: Settle4It


My book is titled Skin Changer, it's the first book of a potential three book contract. I haven't decided whether to use a pen name or real name on the published version so it will either be by R. Austin Carver, or R. Austin Cox (I work in different genre so the publisher thinks I should perhaps use different names for each genre, I'm not so sure...)

Back to our original posts, I find it interesting that another writer has the same take on the Bible I do. I think as writers we have a distinct advantage in reading the Bible, we train ourselves to think dimensionally when reading, so we can take multiple meanings from one set of text, and we try to write this way as well...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."

"We don't rent pigs!"
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how long do you think it will take a dog to figure out how a man created a skyscraper?
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Yes she is out...have you signed with a publisher yet?...I used Publish America...not a bad company...
 Quoting: Settle4It


Yes, I signed with a small publishing house out of Florida called Blackwater Press, the Editor was originally with Random House and recently stepped out on his own. I hope it works out, I've had a previous contract on this book that didn't (Publisher took banruptcy prior to publishing my book).

I'm doing a final proof edit right now before sending it in for typesetting...

Is your book available on Amazon?

Or should I go to the Publish America website?
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Amazon has been a good place to buy it...Give me some info on your book so I may buy it when it hits the stands!
 Quoting: Settle4It


My book is titled Skin Changer, it's the first book of a potential three book contract. I haven't decided whether to use a pen name or real name on the published version so it will either be by R. Austin Carver, or R. Austin Cox (I work in different genre so the publisher thinks I should perhaps use different names for each genre, I'm not so sure...)

Back to our original posts, I find it interesting that another writer has the same take on the Bible I do. I think as writers we have a distinct advantage in reading the Bible, we train ourselves to think dimensionally when reading, so we can take multiple meanings from one set of text, and we try to write this way as well...
 Quoting: Saddletramp



I agree with you...I have read many of the ancient text starting at a young age...Also the way a child is allowed to learn plays a big role in the way one will understand the history of humanity and the world as a whole...Things are never just black and white...As one comes to understand that...one will see a totally new idea on everything!





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