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Calling all Iconoclasts... Enter. The Truth of Our Origins.

 
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"When you seek a path to any new truth, you must
expect to find it blocked by ‘expert opinion.’
Albert Guérard"

It was once said the Earth was flat. Then it was found to be round. how can you say science is invalid?

"4 pertinent
distinctions in appearance of these bipedal
hair covered creatures."

Way to turn it's into a religious thing...

Also, I count you saying "I" and Me" over fifty times. Way to be self deluded.
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I also believe there was intervention and in Sitchen's writings, the Anunnaki recorded their first genetic experimentation as flawed, but I believe there was 6 or 7 pairs as hosts for the fetuses.
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How did the moon get here?
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We did it that almost killed your Earth.

Sorry about that, it was Martians TPTB fault.
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I don't know if I can ever portray what truley boggles
my mind, so please listen to what I have to say glp.

Through the endless gauntlet of hurricanes, near death
experiences, freak deletions of my posts, I will try
To provide GLP with a very important origins post.

Please understand how much I have went though to create this.

I more than likely will lose power in less than 48 hrs.

In posts like this I generally brush people up
On what's accepted, then show proof of contradiction.

With the wind increasing in velocity, and decreasing
in temperature, I will get straight to the point.

Everything you know is WRONG.

The government is corrupt.

Science is invalid.

And religion is irrational.


Focus. Truth Seeker...


When you seek a path to any new truth, you must
expect to find it blocked by ‘expert opinion.’
Albert Guérard

An emotional plague afflicts people whose belief
systems are so rigid they ignore relevant facts and
become enraged if anyone challenges their beliefs.
Wilhelm Reich

When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
Ron Paul


For every PhD., there is an equal and opposite PhD.
Gibson’s Law

Anyone can pilot an improbability, but it takes a special
touch to fly and safely land an absurdity.
Kurt Kuzba

A genius is someone who aims at a target no one else
can see—and hits it!
Anthony Quinn

The main purpose of science is to investigate the
unexplained, not to explain the uninvestigated.
Dr. Stephen Rorke

You can sum up the entirety of this document as being
the answer to the question.. "If Bigfoot exists, along
with 3 other types, then if all 4 early "prehuman"
bones belong to them
... How did we get here?

PLEASE NOTE:

We supposedly evolved from four types of "prehumans"

Now, thousands of reports every year from all
over the world make very clear 4 pertinent
distinctions in appearance of these bipedal
hair covered creatures.

Let me be very clear... This contradiction has
the potential to bring everything we know about
Primate Evolution to a bone jarring, teeth shattering
halt.

Hominoids are one of two “fantasy” creatures
that can dismantle Evolutionary Theory in one
fell swoop (off-world aliens are the other).
The day a hominoid is presented to the world
for analysis—dead or alive—is the day science
can no longer prop up its evolutionary dogma.
When macroevolution clatters into history’s
dustbin, Divine Creation and Intelligent Design
will follow right behind it. Intervention Theory
will become the most plausible explanation for
how humans and all life came to be on Earth.

The supreme arrogance of religious thinking is that a
carbon-based bag of mostly water on a speck of ironsilicate
dust around a boring dwarf star in a minor
galaxy in an unfashionable suburb of (our) supercluster
would look up at the sky and declare: “It was all made
so that I could exist!”

Peter Walker

Statements made by alternative researchers like
me are automatically contradicted by scientists
insisting we are not simply wrong, but stupidly
wrong. They further insist we have no right to
challenge their cherished beliefs because our
only “credentials” are an unwarranted faith in
our ability to discern truth from nonsense.

[This doesn’t refer to all scientists. Some still
willingly risk reputation and security to explore
topics that defy dogma. However, they are few.]
Every point I discuss is supported by facts in
available research, but I am often criticized by
skeptics. Why? Because the issues I discuss are
long-lived sacred cows to mainstream sciences.

Creationists of all kinds, which includes the
smarter, more reasonable, and typically
wellcredentialed Intelligent Design proponents,
insist the only answer to questions about the
origins of life or humans is: “God did it!”

Darwinists of all stripes insist with equal zeal
that their pet theory of evolution best explains
how life originated. Their 150-year-old dogma
asserts: “It just happened—poof!—like magic!”
After the magic moment when life kick-started
itself into existence, it initiated a self-contained
and imperceptibly slow-but-steady growth into
ever more complex forms, until those reached
the apex of an arduous climb—humanity.

In contrast, Interventionists like me and my hero
Lloyd Pye, anchor our search for origins on
evidence rather than faith, on logic rather
than magic. We don’t think that God did it,
or that life spontaneously generated.

For us, evidence and logic point to the same
“outside intervention” Intelligent Designers
see. However, where they feel the only outside
source of intervention must be God (whom they
are careful to not mention by name), we suggest
another, bolder explanation: “They did it!”

Who are “They”? The currently favored term is
Aliens—non-human, non-Earth-based entities.
With Lloyd Pye's permission to cliff most
of his material, I will try to make a valid
point... That we, as a species are in
fact an oddball of mother nature.

The sad truth is that in every field of science,
Young Turks have to serve their leaders when
those leaders are the oldest, crustiest, and most
conservative members of the field. Then, when
those old “defenders of the faith” die out, what
were once Young Turks take over for them and
are forced to defend the same bankrupt faith.

Now, what about the origin of life? When did it
occur? How did it occur? The mainstream gives
two options and rejects a third:

(1) They accept as a possibility Undirected Panspermia.
This is the idea that life “drifts” across space carried
on asteroids or meteors that crashed into Earth.

(2) They support the idea that life originates by
Spontaneous Generation. This idea is that life
was created by sheer chance when a lightning
bolt struck a “warm pond” (a term coined by
Charles Darwin) filled with what came to be
called “primordial soup,” a form of witches’
brew containing the “building blocks” of life.

Experts insist that somehow, someway, those
original molecules managed to spontaneously
reassemble into ever more complex molecules
that somehow, someway, formed themselves
into the single cells of the earliest life forms.

The fact that spontaneous self-assembly into
complex molecules does not happen now, nor
can it be forced to happen in coherent patterns
in the most sophisticated laboratories on Earth,
should be an indication that this theory, like the
gravity-based one of cosmologists, needs work.
British astrophysicist Fred Hoyle summed up
the problem neatly when he said the likelihood
of a lightning bolt striking water to assemble
simple molecules into a life form was equal to
the likelihood of a tornado sweeping through a
junkyard and correctly assembling a jetliner.

The third option, which the mainstream rejects,
is Directed Panspermia,
which is similar to
undirected Panspermia, except that the first life
forms were guided here by higher intelligence.
Thus, the mainstream hangs its hat on a miracle
worthy of God when a lightning bolt struck the
“primordial soup” to forge basic molecules into
simple life—or on a similarly unlikely miracle
that simple life forms came here on meteors.
The lightning-bolt-hits-primordial-soup theory
is still taught around the world, but not because
mainstream scientists regard it seriously. They
know as well as anyone how absurd it sounds.

Unfortunately, they have no choice but to fake
conviction about it because they have no other
theory to take its place. Some few scientists do
admit they have no plausible idea, but most of
them insist on riding the same old lame horse.
Like the equations of the cosmologists, which
required “miracles” to make sense, the same is
true for biologists. The same kinds of miracles
are fudge-factored in to explain life, when they
have answers that are as easy to grasp as the
difference between gravity and electricity.

In the same way cosmologists stick with the
mistake of gravity, biology’s mistake, the core
of its ossified dogma, is that every aspect of life
on Earth must be accounted for in a “natural”
manner, in strictly terrestrial terms. To explain
life by using “outside” factors is unacceptable,
so alternate ideas are automatically discounted.

Its like the "Guilty until proven Innocent" of science.

Despite automatic rejection, alternative ideas
for the origin of life make a much stronger case
than biological dogma. Such ideas also hew far
more closely to the actual facts of life than do
the fantasies created by imaginative scientists.
Life did not start by accident when lightning
struck a warm pond of primordial soup. Its start
was so unlikely, experts can’t begin to explain
it rationally, so rather than try, they obscure

The Dawn of Sumer.

The first great city of the Human species.

The Darwinian paradigm of simplicity, which
leads to ever more complexity, states that we
should be crawling out of the caves on bloody
hands and knees thousands of years ago. This
doesn't appear to be the case... We come sailing
out and build lavish cities. 1000's of world
firsts... First high-rise buildings, walls,
roads, wheeled vehicles, ocean going vessels,
agriculture, animal husbandry, laws, education,
schools, court systems, and the only one mainstream
gives them credit for which is literature.

We are all taught we come from the Egyptians, Greeks,
and Romans. It is clear they are all byproducts
of Sumer. We are only told the people of Sumer
invent writing, and case closed. They never speak
or teach about the things they wrote, or how
sophisticated they really were, because it doesn't
fit the current model of our progression of
intelligence. Even though things like their decimal
system called Sexsadecimal, is clearly more advanced
than the Dewey when dealing with very large and small
numbers.

So in the late 1800's when we were translating
what these guys had to say, the "myth" pile had
gotten larger and larger. A man named Zechariah
Sitchin, who we all know went about his work in an
all or nothing fashion asked the great question...

"Who hands the myth to the first civilization"

In the 50's he jumped into the myth pile and published
a dozen books labeled the Earth Chronicles Series.

For all of you who just seen the name Sitchin, and
have your paste of the link sitchiniswrong.com
ready to post, I humbly request you provide yourself
an opportunity for advancement, and at least read
what I have to say before jumping to conclusions.

Lloyd Pye's Defense Of Sitchin.

Anyone who says Zecharia Sitchin is a fraud or mistaken in his translations of Sumerian texts, or anything in that vein, is busily grinding a heavily worn axe. They base all of their complaints on the fact that in certain key areas of the Sumerian writings, he deviates markedly from the "classical" translations, the vast majority of which were completed before 1947, before the terms "UFO" or "alien" came into common usage.

When the early translators came upon passages that could have been and should have been interpreted the way Sitchin interpreted them, they had no conceivable frame of reference for such terminology. Thus, they shoehorned it to fit into their own restricted world views, and because this nonsense was created by "experts" of that time, modern experts have inevitably been brainwashed by their education process to believe that no other translation is needed, much less preferable.

This intellectual claptrap has become established as the "preferred" and "accepted" translations that critics claim Stichin should have respected and stuck with in the way they are obligated to do. Sitchin rightly jettisoned the nonsense and translated the texts more like they were actually written, calling an alien an alien, so to speak, and this gross offense to modern academic sensibilities is what classic scholars considera sacrilege to their mindset.

I have no doubt that, in the fullness of time, historians will consider Zecharia Sitchin vastly more correct than any mainstream pundit in alive at this moment. Why? Because modern scholars endure years of intense training to consider the work of prior scholars sancrosanct, which turns out a virtual army of close-minded sycophants who, ultimately, will be dismissed as the laughable fools they are.

That being said, today we will go over the origins
of life from the Sumerian perspective. They have
many things they wrote about, but their story of
our cosmology at around 4 billion years ago is very
interesting to say the least. They had our Solar
system documented with Pluto as a moon of Saturn,
A planet called Tiamat in the asteroid belt area,
and the big no-no of shills everywhere, Nibiru,
who is captured by the sun in an elliptical 3600 year
clockwise orbit like a comet.

The Enuma E'Lish. The 6 tablets of action, 1 tablet
of summation,(Taken by many as the 6 days of creation
and the one day of rest) plausibly answers at least
a half of dozen great mysteries surrounding our cosmogony.

A planet going clockwise opposed to our counterclockwise
neighborhood has the potential of some serious Doom
folks. Although they describe Nibiru knocking into
Tiamat at one point in time, its last several passings
have been further and further away. So no I don't side
with the Nibiru Doom gang, but I am going to say that
the collision itself answers a lot of questions surrounding
modern astronomy and Earth geology.

In the collision of planets Nibiru and Tiamat, Nibiru
due to it being, colder, larger, and older, it held
itself together. Meanwhile Tiamat was torn in half, but not
completely obliterated. Just cracked open like an eggshell.

Those very few moments answers several of the most
puzzling questions known to man.

The asteroid belt. Volumes of inner viscous magma seeped
out and established what the Sumerians called the "hammered
bracelet" and Tiamat having been illustrated being
originally positioned in the crux of the asteroid belt,
we can simply postulate the collision knocked it into
a new orbit, leaving all the magma to cool and solidify
into what we know call the asteroid belt.

Comets. In a linear solar system, where the
primordial cloud of dust and gas flattens out into
a pancake, comets have no right to come from all over
the place. Mainstreamers may speak of the Oort cloud,
but that is the biggest joke out there (no pun intended), because comets are made of water. You don't make water
in the middle of a vacuum. You make water being a
cooling, condensing planet. The collision described
in the epic answers how they were removed out into
the solar system.

Tectonic plates. The lighter outer crust being
torn off, and half of the planet oozing out its bowels,
we all know what happens to liquids in a vacuum. It makes
the smallest tightest ball it can. So you now hopefully
have a new perspective on why we have moving plates, just
imagine the Earth not completely solidified from the
initial collision around 4 billion years ago.

Pluto. You all heard we're downgrading the planetoid.
It also shares the same fate of comets, it is 17 degrees
off of the ecliptic. NOTHING should be off of the ecliptic.
The Epic illustrated Pluto being a moon of Saturn, till
it was whisked away during Nibiru's approach to the inner
solar system.

Jesus this only took 5 hrs..

The more I try perfecting my "Truth of Our Origins"
series, the further and further away to completion.

During this post alone, I completed the final draft,
only to press the shift button for my internet to
close without reason, losing my entire post.

I also started a second copy which was also deleted
due to me spilling my drink all over my laptop because
of a freak lightning strike.

Even now I am writing this post via cellphone because
my I Internet simply does not work any more.

Basically the importance of this thread, which I find
absolute, is going through the worst symptoms
of diminishing returns I have ever witnessed, let alone
created. Having redo-ed almost 5 times, in shorter more
mediocre paragraphs, I have pulled out all the stops,
finishing this on my phone.

I will finish upgrading this post later.
 Quoting: Heretic_333



dont waste your battery here with this


we all read it allready
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Why do I get the nagging suspicion we are about to be LIED to AGAIN? When history repeats itself, do we listen? Oh no, this time it is different and about aliens. Yeah right, buddy. They have indoctrinated us since before the fifties for this BIG lie coming up. Who to believe?
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I've always thought that the fact that we can't comprehend a universe without end, shows us, very specifically, that our way of thinking is very primitive and incorrect.

Why do we need a beginning and an end? It obviously isn't there. Yet everything we see, hear, feel, and touch, has a beginning and an end.

Makes me think that everything we see, hear, feel, and touch, is a lie.

We aren't seeing what's really there. And our brains interpretations of the wave frequency patterns vibrating in our universe are our own worse enemies.
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Why do I get the nagging suspicion we are about to be LIED to AGAIN? When history repeats itself, do we listen? Oh no, this time it is different and about aliens. Yeah right, buddy. They have indoctrinated us since before the fifties for this BIG lie coming up. Who to believe?
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Yeah, the intelligent design proponents were right all along, they just got the "creator" wrong. Could the scientists be wrong AGAIN????
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Can you repeat the whole thing to me ind 25 words or less? Life is too short to read your BS story.
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Life is the longest goddamn thing a human will ever do. Control your ADD and read it first.
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Reading it 7:30 in the morning.. Now THIS is a GLP thread worth your time! hf coffee4
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Totally! I'm enjoying the heck out of this thread. Heretic is one of the few writers on this forum that really captures my interest. His threads are always interesting and though provoking.
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I appreciate it fellas. As soon as I receive
a few more karma's. I will have plenty more
coming down the pipe. Believe it!! =)
If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the BP oil spill.

Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The wind of Odin sweeps it all.
Fear are for the weak mind
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Truth is at hand, nothing greater a start than the Convoluted Universe by Dolores Cannon.

Straight from our metaphysical realm.

This is what TPTB feared.
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Great post OP. I cant but wonder though; If this is the truth of our origins, then do our creators have a creator? Just a thought...
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A good thought.
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I've always thought that the fact that we can't comprehend a universe without end, shows us, very specifically, that our way of thinking is very primitive and incorrect.

Why do we need a beginning and an end? It obviously isn't there. Yet everything we see, hear, feel, and touch, has a beginning and an end.

Makes me think that everything we see, hear, feel, and touch, is a lie.

We aren't seeing what's really there. And our brains interpretations of the wave frequency patterns vibrating in our universe are our own worse enemies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22573986


There is no such thing as solid matter. Only vibrating sound, and free flowing energy.

I must admit though, I began to question that idea when I once ran into the goal post while playing football. It certainly felt solid to me!
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The Dewey Decimal System is the library's system for cataloging books.
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"When you seek a path to any new truth, you must
expect to find it blocked by ‘expert opinion.’
Albert Guérard"

It was once said the Earth was flat. Then it was found to be round. how can you say science is invalid?

"4 pertinent
distinctions in appearance of these bipedal
hair covered creatures."

Way to turn it's into a religious thing...

Also, I count you saying "I" and Me" over fifty times. Way to be self deluded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22623897


Science is invalid because it has a "guilty until proven innocent"
aspect. It will be taught that the world is
no doubt flat, until someone can prove otherwise.

The world will be taught that the world is flat.
Flat being 100% truth, because nothing else can
take it's place.

Science labeling a fact "subject to change"
is damn near sacrilegious.

Last Edited by Heretic_333 on 08/28/2012 01:54 AM
If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the BP oil spill.

Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The wind of Odin sweeps it all.
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^^I don't know why I just quoted all that, sorry.
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I was just about to complain about that, but I didn't want to have to re-quote it just to bitch at you for quoting it.

OP, you need to buy a car battery and an inverter to run your computer on in hard times.

And, thank you for your research. Marked for later...
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Great post OP. I cant but wonder though; If this is the truth of our origins, then do our creators have a creator? Just a thought...
 Quoting: Lemaus


A good thought.
 Quoting: SkinnyChic



If they are real, and if they did in fact develop
life and/or humans on Earth, then who are they?
And who created them? This leads to an endless
hall of mirrors echoing the same impossible-to answer
question: Who are their creators???

This brings up what is known as First Cause,
the starting place for all of everything—of life
and existence itself. No human actually knows
anything about it, and we probably never will.
I don’t know, religion doesn’t, and scientists
certainly don’t. Yet those institutions are forced
by their intense rivalry for hearts and minds to
pretend that they actually do know the answer.
Don’t believe either side. Religion and science
stand eyeball-to-eyeball and are too frightened
to blink, much less acknowledge any doubts or
weaknesses in their propaganda. But, luckily, I
don’t have those restrictions. I can busy myself
trying to discover what is actually knowable.
If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the BP oil spill.

Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The wind of Odin sweeps it all.
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I don't know if I can ever portray what truley boggles
my mind, so please listen to what I have to say glp.

Through the endless gauntlet of hurricanes, near death
experiences, freak deletions of my posts, I will try
To provide GLP with a very important origins post.

Please understand how much I have went though to create this.

I more than likely will lose power in less than 48 hrs.

In posts like this I generally brush people up
On what's accepted, then show proof of contradiction.

With the wind increasing in velocity, and decreasing
in temperature, I will get straight to the point.

Everything you know is WRONG.

The government is corrupt.

Science is invalid.

And religion is irrational.


Focus. Truth Seeker...


When you seek a path to any new truth, you must
expect to find it blocked by ‘expert opinion.’
Albert Guérard

An emotional plague afflicts people whose belief
systems are so rigid they ignore relevant facts and
become enraged if anyone challenges their beliefs.
Wilhelm Reich

When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
Ron Paul


For every PhD., there is an equal and opposite PhD.
Gibson’s Law

Anyone can pilot an improbability, but it takes a special
touch to fly and safely land an absurdity.
Kurt Kuzba

A genius is someone who aims at a target no one else
can see—and hits it!
Anthony Quinn

The main purpose of science is to investigate the
unexplained, not to explain the uninvestigated.
Dr. Stephen Rorke

You can sum up the entirety of this document as being
the answer to the question.. "If Bigfoot exists, along
with 3 other types, then if all 4 early "prehuman"
bones belong to them
... How did we get here?

PLEASE NOTE:

We supposedly evolved from four types of "prehumans"

Now, thousands of reports every year from all
over the world make very clear 4 pertinent
distinctions in appearance of these bipedal
hair covered creatures.

Let me be very clear... This contradiction has
the potential to bring everything we know about
Primate Evolution to a bone jarring, teeth shattering
halt.

Hominoids are one of two “fantasy” creatures
that can dismantle Evolutionary Theory in one
fell swoop (off-world aliens are the other).
The day a hominoid is presented to the world
for analysis—dead or alive—is the day science
can no longer prop up its evolutionary dogma.
When macroevolution clatters into history’s
dustbin, Divine Creation and Intelligent Design
will follow right behind it. Intervention Theory
will become the most plausible explanation for
how humans and all life came to be on Earth.

The supreme arrogance of religious thinking is that a
carbon-based bag of mostly water on a speck of ironsilicate
dust around a boring dwarf star in a minor
galaxy in an unfashionable suburb of (our) supercluster
would look up at the sky and declare: “It was all made
so that I could exist!”

Peter Walker

Statements made by alternative researchers like
me are automatically contradicted by scientists
insisting we are not simply wrong, but stupidly
wrong. They further insist we have no right to
challenge their cherished beliefs because our
only “credentials” are an unwarranted faith in
our ability to discern truth from nonsense.

[This doesn’t refer to all scientists. Some still
willingly risk reputation and security to explore
topics that defy dogma. However, they are few.]
Every point I discuss is supported by facts in
available research, but I am often criticized by
skeptics. Why? Because the issues I discuss are
long-lived sacred cows to mainstream sciences.

Creationists of all kinds, which includes the
smarter, more reasonable, and typically
wellcredentialed Intelligent Design proponents,
insist the only answer to questions about the
origins of life or humans is: “God did it!”

Darwinists of all stripes insist with equal zeal
that their pet theory of evolution best explains
how life originated. Their 150-year-old dogma
asserts: “It just happened—poof!—like magic!”
After the magic moment when life kick-started
itself into existence, it initiated a self-contained
and imperceptibly slow-but-steady growth into
ever more complex forms, until those reached
the apex of an arduous climb—humanity.

In contrast, Interventionists like me and my hero
Lloyd Pye, anchor our search for origins on
evidence rather than faith, on logic rather
than magic. We don’t think that God did it,
or that life spontaneously generated.

For us, evidence and logic point to the same
“outside intervention” Intelligent Designers
see. However, where they feel the only outside
source of intervention must be God (whom they
are careful to not mention by name), we suggest
another, bolder explanation: “They did it!”

Who are “They”? The currently favored term is
Aliens—non-human, non-Earth-based entities.
With Lloyd Pye's permission to cliff most
of his material, I will try to make a valid
point... That we, as a species are in
fact an oddball of mother nature.

The sad truth is that in every field of science,
Young Turks have to serve their leaders when
those leaders are the oldest, crustiest, and most
conservative members of the field. Then, when
those old “defenders of the faith” die out, what
were once Young Turks take over for them and
are forced to defend the same bankrupt faith.

Now, what about the origin of life? When did it
occur? How did it occur? The mainstream gives
two options and rejects a third:

(1) They accept as a possibility Undirected Panspermia.
This is the idea that life “drifts” across space carried
on asteroids or meteors that crashed into Earth.

(2) They support the idea that life originates by
Spontaneous Generation. This idea is that life
was created by sheer chance when a lightning
bolt struck a “warm pond” (a term coined by
Charles Darwin) filled with what came to be
called “primordial soup,” a form of witches’
brew containing the “building blocks” of life.

Experts insist that somehow, someway, those
original molecules managed to spontaneously
reassemble into ever more complex molecules
that somehow, someway, formed themselves
into the single cells of the earliest life forms.

The fact that spontaneous self-assembly into
complex molecules does not happen now, nor
can it be forced to happen in coherent patterns
in the most sophisticated laboratories on Earth,
should be an indication that this theory, like the
gravity-based one of cosmologists, needs work.
British astrophysicist Fred Hoyle summed up
the problem neatly when he said the likelihood
of a lightning bolt striking water to assemble
simple molecules into a life form was equal to
the likelihood of a tornado sweeping through a
junkyard and correctly assembling a jetliner.

The third option, which the mainstream rejects,
is Directed Panspermia,
which is similar to
undirected Panspermia, except that the first life
forms were guided here by higher intelligence.
Thus, the mainstream hangs its hat on a miracle
worthy of God when a lightning bolt struck the
“primordial soup” to forge basic molecules into
simple life—or on a similarly unlikely miracle
that simple life forms came here on meteors.
The lightning-bolt-hits-primordial-soup theory
is still taught around the world, but not because
mainstream scientists regard it seriously. They
know as well as anyone how absurd it sounds.

Unfortunately, they have no choice but to fake
conviction about it because they have no other
theory to take its place. Some few scientists do
admit they have no plausible idea, but most of
them insist on riding the same old lame horse.
Like the equations of the cosmologists, which
required “miracles” to make sense, the same is
true for biologists. The same kinds of miracles
are fudge-factored in to explain life, when they
have answers that are as easy to grasp as the
difference between gravity and electricity.

In the same way cosmologists stick with the
mistake of gravity, biology’s mistake, the core
of its ossified dogma, is that every aspect of life
on Earth must be accounted for in a “natural”
manner, in strictly terrestrial terms. To explain
life by using “outside” factors is unacceptable,
so alternate ideas are automatically discounted.

Its like the "Guilty until proven Innocent" of science.

Despite automatic rejection, alternative ideas
for the origin of life make a much stronger case
than biological dogma. Such ideas also hew far
more closely to the actual facts of life than do
the fantasies created by imaginative scientists.
Life did not start by accident when lightning
struck a warm pond of primordial soup. Its start
was so unlikely, experts can’t begin to explain
it rationally, so rather than try, they obscure

The Dawn of Sumer.

The first great city of the Human species.

The Darwinian paradigm of simplicity, which
leads to ever more complexity, states that we
should be crawling out of the caves on bloody
hands and knees thousands of years ago. This
doesn't appear to be the case... We come sailing
out and build lavish cities. 1000's of world
firsts... First high-rise buildings, walls,
roads, wheeled vehicles, ocean going vessels,
agriculture, animal husbandry, laws, education,
schools, court systems, and the only one mainstream
gives them credit for which is literature.

We are all taught we come from the Egyptians, Greeks,
and Romans. It is clear they are all byproducts
of Sumer. We are only told the people of Sumer
invent writing, and case closed. They never speak
or teach about the things they wrote, or how
sophisticated they really were, because it doesn't
fit the current model of our progression of
intelligence. Even though things like their decimal
system called Sexsadecimal, is clearly more advanced
than the Dewey when dealing with very large and small
numbers.

So in the late 1800's when we were translating
what these guys had to say, the "myth" pile had
gotten larger and larger. A man named Zechariah
Sitchin, who we all know went about his work in an
all or nothing fashion asked the great question...

"Who hands the myth to the first civilization"

In the 50's he jumped into the myth pile and published
a dozen books labeled the Earth Chronicles Series.

For all of you who just seen the name Sitchin, and
have your paste of the link sitchiniswrong.com
ready to post, I humbly request you provide yourself
an opportunity for advancement, and at least read
what I have to say before jumping to conclusions.

Lloyd Pye's Defense Of Sitchin.

Anyone who says Zecharia Sitchin is a fraud or mistaken in his translations of Sumerian texts, or anything in that vein, is busily grinding a heavily worn axe. They base all of their complaints on the fact that in certain key areas of the Sumerian writings, he deviates markedly from the "classical" translations, the vast majority of which were completed before 1947, before the terms "UFO" or "alien" came into common usage.

When the early translators came upon passages that could have been and should have been interpreted the way Sitchin interpreted them, they had no conceivable frame of reference for such terminology. Thus, they shoehorned it to fit into their own restricted world views, and because this nonsense was created by "experts" of that time, modern experts have inevitably been brainwashed by their education process to believe that no other translation is needed, much less preferable.

This intellectual claptrap has become established as the "preferred" and "accepted" translations that critics claim Stichin should have respected and stuck with in the way they are obligated to do. Sitchin rightly jettisoned the nonsense and translated the texts more like they were actually written, calling an alien an alien, so to speak, and this gross offense to modern academic sensibilities is what classic scholars considera sacrilege to their mindset.

I have no doubt that, in the fullness of time, historians will consider Zecharia Sitchin vastly more correct than any mainstream pundit in alive at this moment. Why? Because modern scholars endure years of intense training to consider the work of prior scholars sancrosanct, which turns out a virtual army of close-minded sycophants who, ultimately, will be dismissed as the laughable fools they are.

That being said, today we will go over the origins
of life from the Sumerian perspective. They have
many things they wrote about, but their story of
our cosmology at around 4 billion years ago is very
interesting to say the least. They had our Solar
system documented with Pluto as a moon of Saturn,
A planet called Tiamat in the asteroid belt area,
and the big no-no of shills everywhere, Nibiru,
who is captured by the sun in an elliptical 3600 year
clockwise orbit like a comet.

The Enuma E'Lish. The 6 tablets of action, 1 tablet
of summation,(Taken by many as the 6 days of creation
and the one day of rest) plausibly answers at least
a half of dozen great mysteries surrounding our cosmogony.

A planet going clockwise opposed to our counterclockwise
neighborhood has the potential of some serious Doom
folks. Although they describe Nibiru knocking into
Tiamat at one point in time, its last several passings
have been further and further away. So no I don't side
with the Nibiru Doom gang, but I am going to say that
the collision itself answers a lot of questions surrounding
modern astronomy and Earth geology.

In the collision of planets Nibiru and Tiamat, Nibiru
due to it being, colder, larger, and older, it held
itself together. Meanwhile Tiamat was torn in half, but not
completely obliterated. Just cracked open like an eggshell.

Those very few moments answers several of the most
puzzling questions known to man.

The asteroid belt. Volumes of inner viscous magma seeped
out and established what the Sumerians called the "hammered
bracelet" and Tiamat having been illustrated being
originally positioned in the crux of the asteroid belt,
we can simply postulate the collision knocked it into
a new orbit, leaving all the magma to cool and solidify
into what we know call the asteroid belt.

Comets. In a linear solar system, where the
primordial cloud of dust and gas flattens out into
a pancake, comets have no right to come from all over
the place. Mainstreamers may speak of the Oort cloud,
but that is the biggest joke out there (no pun intended), because comets are made of water. You don't make water
in the middle of a vacuum. You make water being a
cooling, condensing planet. The collision described
in the epic answers how they were removed out into
the solar system.

Tectonic plates. The lighter outer crust being
torn off, and half of the planet oozing out its bowels,
we all know what happens to liquids in a vacuum. It makes
the smallest tightest ball it can. So you now hopefully
have a new perspective on why we have moving plates, just
imagine the Earth not completely solidified from the
initial collision around 4 billion years ago.

Pluto. You all heard we're downgrading the planetoid.
It also shares the same fate of comets, it is 17 degrees
off of the ecliptic. NOTHING should be off of the ecliptic.
The Epic illustrated Pluto being a moon of Saturn, till
it was whisked away during Nibiru's approach to the inner
solar system.

Jesus this only took 5 hrs..

The more I try perfecting my "Truth of Our Origins"
series, the further and further away to completion.

During this post alone, I completed the final draft,
only to press the shift button for my internet to
close without reason, losing my entire post.

I also started a second copy which was also deleted
due to me spilling my drink all over my laptop because
of a freak lightning strike.

Even now I am writing this post via cellphone because
my I Internet simply does not work any more.

Basically the importance of this thread, which I find
absolute, is going through the worst symptoms
of diminishing returns I have ever witnessed, let alone
created. Having redo-ed almost 5 times, in shorter more
mediocre paragraphs, I have pulled out all the stops,
finishing this on my phone.

I will finish upgrading this post later.
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Pretentious bsflag
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Turn off the system.

Shut down the computer.

Unplug your power.

Throw it out the window.

Pick up the book and read:

The Convoluted Universe.
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Some good metaphysical stuff on here, but the OP is a shill.
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For those of you who are Religious and believe I am
being deceived or controlled, do not forsake my conviction.

=(

I do not wish to condone Religion. I have a higher
power, and I practice loads of spirituality. However
if you read the post carefully, I win intelligent
design over evolution. The only thing I think needs
changed in the worlds Religions, is the omnipotent man
with a beard.

Unconditional love and creation is what we are here
to do. I believe the answer to the question "Why are we
here" is in fact just that.

Also folks, I am not debating on First Cause or the
big bang, I am specifically focusing on life on Earth
and humanity. Our origins, not the origins of the Universe.
If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the BP oil spill.

Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The wind of Odin sweeps it all.
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"When you seek a path to any new truth, you must
expect to find it blocked by ‘expert opinion.’
Albert Guérard"

It was once said the Earth was flat. Then it was found to be round. how can you say science is invalid?

"4 pertinent
distinctions in appearance of these bipedal
hair covered creatures."

Way to turn it's into a religious thing...

Also, I count you saying "I" and Me" over fifty times. Way to be self deluded.
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Science is invalid because it has a "guilty until proven innocent" aspect. It will be taught that the world is
no doubt flat, until someone can prove otherwise.

The world will be taught that the world is flat.
Flat being 100% truth, because nothing else can
take it's place.

Science labeling a fact "subject to change"
is damn near sacrilegious.
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All facts in science are subject to change. It is society's understanding and application of those facts that causes the problem. Blame education, normalisation and acculturation, not science.
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Turn off the system.

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Throw it out the window.

Pick up the book and read:

The Convoluted Universe.
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Dolores Cannon is by far one of the best authors
researchers out there.

Great book.
If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the BP oil spill.

Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The wind of Odin sweeps it all.
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Great post OP. I cant but wonder though; If this is the truth of our origins, then do our creators have a creator? Just a thought...
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A good thought.
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If they are real, and if they did in fact develop
life and/or humans on Earth, then who are they?
And who created them? This leads to an endless
hall of mirrors echoing the same impossible-to answer
question: Who are their creators???

This brings up what is known as First Cause,
the starting place for all of everything—of life
and existence itself. No human actually knows
anything about it, and we probably never will.
I don’t know, religion doesn’t, and scientists
certainly don’t. Yet those institutions are forced
by their intense rivalry for hearts and minds to
pretend that they actually do know the answer.
Don’t believe either side. Religion and science
stand eyeball-to-eyeball and are too frightened
to blink, much less acknowledge any doubts or
weaknesses in their propaganda. But, luckily, I
don’t have those restrictions. I can busy myself
trying to discover what is actually knowable.
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ohyeah
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^^I don't know why I just quoted all that, sorry.
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I was just about to complain about that, but I didn't want to have to re-quote it just to bitch at you for quoting it.

OP, you need to buy a car battery and an inverter to run your computer on in hard times.

And, thank you for your research. Marked for later...
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Better off with a cheaper Lead Acid, that's designed to actually be discharged; car batteries are meant to stay at 12V, and go to shit if subjected to discharge.
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Turn off the system.

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Unplug your power.

Throw it out the window.

Pick up the book and read:

The Convoluted Universe.
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Dolores Cannon is by far one of the best authors
researchers out there.

Great book.
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Yes not only author but the greatest metaphysics hypnosis pioneer since Atlantis sunk and did you read it?.
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Some good metaphysical stuff on here, but the OP is a shill.
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And I see NOTHING about the ELECTRIC UNIVERSE, which requires no vacuum, no water, and no unanswered questions, important, srsly. So think of live wire reactions, eYeah, THAT kind of energy, and yes, that MEANS it's everywhere, AND FREE.
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Great post OP. I cant but wonder though; If this is the truth of our origins, then do our creators have a creator? Just a thought...
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A good thought.
 Quoting: SkinnyChic



If they are real, and if they did in fact develop
life and/or humans on Earth, then who are they?
And who created them? This leads to an endless
hall of mirrors echoing the same impossible-to answer
question: Who are their creators???

This brings up what is known as First Cause,
the starting place for all of everything—of life
and existence itself. No human actually knows
anything about it, and we probably never will.
I don’t know, religion doesn’t, and scientists
certainly don’t. Yet those institutions are forced
by their intense rivalry for hearts and minds to
pretend that they actually do know the answer.
Don’t believe either side. Religion and science
stand eyeball-to-eyeball and are too frightened
to blink, much less acknowledge any doubts or
weaknesses in their propaganda. But, luckily, I
don’t have those restrictions. I can busy myself
trying to discover what is actually knowable.
 Quoting: Heretic_333


Why do we need to have a starting place at all? We have this obsession with "start" and "end". Yet neither of them make any sense at all.

Maybe we should stop trying to answer these questions and start looking inward into our own thought processes.

Say to yourself loudly. "I do not know where I came from" and you know what?....."I'm really ok with that"

Maybe the answer lies in abandoning all of the ideas we've been taught in the past. Because I tell you what. No amount of science or religion is ever gonna answer my question of "How big is the Universe?, where does it end" and "Where do we come from?" I ask myself these questions almost daily. And I've yet to find the answers.

So what is the truth? That the universe actually DOES end somewhere and there is a void that spans to eternity beyond that?

Or is it that we have no flippin clue of how to even fathom the depth of this dimension and universe, as we are basically nothing more than animals trying to figure out where our next meal is gonna come from.(Albeit in a much more civilized form than in the past).

Bottom line is that Ops' idea has as good a ground as any, in my book, at explaining how these lives of ours have some kind of meaning.



Best theory I've heard in a long time.
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The Convoluted Universe.
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How rude.

How do you know that your truth is THE truth? Ridiculing and dismissing aren't very good tools for teaching as they tend to turn your potential student away rather than enticing them to investigate further what you have to offer.
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"When you seek a path to any new truth, you must
expect to find it blocked by ‘expert opinion.’
Albert Guérard"

It was once said the Earth was flat. Then it was found to be round. how can you say science is invalid?

"4 pertinent
distinctions in appearance of these bipedal
hair covered creatures."

Way to turn it's into a religious thing...

Also, I count you saying "I" and Me" over fifty times. Way to be self deluded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22623897


Science is invalid because it has a "guilty until proven innocent" aspect. It will be taught that the world is
no doubt flat, until someone can prove otherwise.

The world will be taught that the world is flat.
Flat being 100% truth, because nothing else can
take it's place.

Science labeling a fact "subject to change"
is damn near sacrilegious.
 Quoting: Heretic_333


All facts in science are subject to change. It is society's understanding and application of those facts that causes the problem. Blame education, normalisation and acculturation, not science.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22456367


Blame the normalcy bias, I understand, but understand
this... Things must be explained with concrete terrestrial
terms and evidence. Science has hamstrung itself.

Science (overtime) has painted itself into the
corner, saying things can only be true once
proven so
.

There are 2 constants in scientific progression...
Theories and Facts. Scientists risk all of their
well being into declaring something a fact.
The moment that fact is proven false or is changed...
That scientist loses his credibility, status, and
overall reputation.

So money making scientists nip that problem in the bud
and declare any opposing theories as IMPOSSIBLE.

EVEN THOUGH, it is IMPOSSIBLE for the fact to be
complete!

Making progression move at the slow arduous climb
many alternative researchers despise today.
I am not saying we should declare any idea as true
until proven false, I am saying FACTS are constantly
being updated, so why not label facts as "what we
know so far" rather than "this is all you need to know"

Do you see what I mean? It makes scientific progression
costly and time consuming.

Last Edited by Heretic_333 on 08/28/2012 01:51 AM
If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the BP oil spill.

Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The wind of Odin sweeps it all.





GLP