Calling all Iconoclasts... Enter. The Truth of Our Origins.

Hold on man, How would loving children describe something
so complex I have a hard time explaining it.

Of course they would use the only conceivable frame
of reference they know which is this "Heaven" they
heard about.

I dont study all NDE's that relate to one thing.

ALL NDE's relate to karmic oneness.

What is the reason I am false?

And yes they said heaven and hell exists. I also
say that. But its not the biblical illustrations
people have been drawing for thousands of years.

The more evil you are, the more unattached you are
to Oneness, the more unpleasant that state can be.

The more you love, care and protect, the more divine,
righteous, and amazing your experience will be.

Why do we have 5 fingers on each hand? What do we use them for? The little finger? What's it's purpose?
Why do so many species have 5 "fingers" too? Why not 4 or 6?
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How is that related to the evolution or the other theories

Technically yes.

But If you mean like "what if all
the planets and stars in the universe are the
particles and atoms of a creature" then that
was so 20 years ago. In like second grade.

what?

Well "why didn't they just move here?" Depending on who you ask, they did. Have you ever heard of all the underground alien bases? All the UFO sightings? All the light people who make predictions about the return of the Zetas.

My thought on the matter is, were a dangerous species. Also we have a wicked ego. I think the aliens know it wouldn't be in their best interests to descend down in front of the UN or the White House, and tell the people of the earth the truth. As a species we're not mature enough for that yet.

When you start talking about underground bases, I think thats another fork in the road. like the phil shnieder dude? interesting stories but no meat to go with the potatoes. possible yes but no tangible evidence. then you get into the greys, reptillians, etc. I definitely don't want to get into the light bringers/zeta bs. as for ufo's I think 90% are misidentified military aircraft. I do think we could handle the truth but it wouldn't be as grand as we have envisioned.

I realize that man... My point was to answer your question on why aren't they still here. My answer is depends on who you ask.

Veridical informaton, once again proves your explanation is obviously incorrect.

20 years is nothing. And the earth was flat years ago. I mean-at a subatomic level we are one and the same with the whole universe. Humans, animals, stars, planets...we are connected.

I generally respond to any comment, but please guys,
can we limit the Religion and spirituality?

This thread is about disproving Primate Evolution.

Genesis 2

King James Version (KJV)


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24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

I've seen Lloyd's presentations and he does a good job laying out the fossil records. What hurts his theory the most is the lack of 'bigfoot' remains/bones. We should have found something by now. Hope we can get some substantial proof soon!!! I have never believed in darwin's version of things.

I meant 20 years ago (in 2nd grade) I wondered if
I was a white blood cell in another beings body.
(biologically) lol

Like you just made clear, what if we are the protons
(in ex.) to an omnipotent gargantuan consciousness.

That my friend is called Oneness.

Everything in the universe was created at the same time,
from the same light and sound.

We Are One. =)

I don't know if I can ever portray what truley boggles
my mind, so please listen to what I have to say glp.

Through the endless gauntlet of hurricanes, near death
experiences, freak deletions of my posts, I will try
To provide GLP with a very important origins post.

Please understand how much I have went though to create this.

I more than likely will lose power in less than 48 hrs.

In posts like this I generally brush people up
On what's accepted, then show proof of contradiction.

With the wind increasing in velocity, and decreasing
in temperature, I will get straight to the point.

Everything you know is WRONG.

The government is corrupt.

Science is invalid.

And religion is irrational.


Focus. Truth Seeker...


When you seek a path to any new truth, you must
expect to find it blocked by ‘expert opinion.’
Albert Guérard

An emotional plague afflicts people whose belief
systems are so rigid they ignore relevant facts and
become enraged if anyone challenges their beliefs.
Wilhelm Reich

When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads.
Ron Paul

For every PhD., there is an equal and opposite PhD.
Gibson’s Law

Anyone can pilot an improbability, but it takes a special
touch to fly and safely land an absurdity.
Kurt Kuzba

A genius is someone who aims at a target no one else
can see—and hits it!
Anthony Quinn

The main purpose of science is to investigate the
unexplained, not to explain the uninvestigated.
Dr. Stephen Rorke

You can sum up the entirety of this document as being
the answer to the question.. "If Bigfoot exists, along
with 3 other types, then if all 4 early "prehuman"
bones belong to them... How did we get here?

PLEASE NOTE:

We supposedly evolved from four types of "prehumans"

Now, thousands of reports every year from all
over the world make very clear 4 pertinent
distinctions in the appearance of these
bipedal hair covered creatures.

Let me be very clear... This contradiction has
the potential to bring everything we know about
Primate Evolution to a bone jarring, teeth shattering
halt.

Hominoids are one of two “fantasy” creatures
that can dismantle Evolutionary Theory in one
fell swoop (off-world aliens are the other).
The day a hominoid is presented to the world
for analysis—dead or alive—is the day science
can no longer prop up its evolutionary dogma.
When macroevolution clatters into history’s
dustbin, Divine Creation and Intelligent Design
will follow right behind it. Intervention Theory
will become the most plausible explanation for
how humans and all life came to be on Earth.

The supreme arrogance of religious thinking is that a
carbon-based bag of mostly water on a speck of ironsilicate
dust around a boring dwarf star in a minor
galaxy in an unfashionable suburb of (our) supercluster
would look up at the sky and declare: “It was all made
so that I could exist!”
Peter Walker

Statements made by alternative researchers like
me are automatically contradicted by scientists
insisting we are not simply wrong, but stupidly
wrong. They further insist we have no right to
challenge their cherished beliefs because our
only “credentials” are an unwarranted faith in
our ability to discern truth from nonsense.

[This doesn’t refer to all scientists. Some still
willingly risk reputation and security to explore
topics that defy dogma. However, they are few.]
Every point I discuss is supported by facts in
available research, but I am often criticized by
skeptics. Why? Because the issues I discuss are
long-lived sacred cows to mainstream sciences.

Creationists of all kinds, which includes the
smarter, more reasonable, and typically
wellcredentialed Intelligent Design proponents,
insist the only answer to questions about the
origins of life or humans is: “God did it!”

Darwinists of all stripes insist with equal zeal
that their pet theory of evolution best explains
how life originated. Their 150-year-old dogma
asserts: “It just happened—poof!—like magic!”
After the magic moment when life kick-started
itself into existence, it initiated a self-contained
and imperceptibly slow-but-steady growth into
ever more complex forms, until those reached
the apex of an arduous climb—humanity.

In contrast, Interventionists like me and my hero
Lloyd Pye, anchor our search for origins on
evidence rather than faith, on logic rather
than magic. We don’t think that God did it,
or that life spontaneously generated.

For us, evidence and logic point to the same
“outside intervention” Intelligent Designers
see. However, where they feel the only outside
source of intervention must be God (whom they
are careful to not mention by name), we suggest
another, bolder explanation: “They did it!”

Who are “They”? The currently favored term is
Aliens—non-human, non-Earth-based entities.
With Lloyd Pye's permission to cliff most
of his material, I will try to make a valid
point... That we, as a species are in
fact an oddball of mother nature.

The sad truth is that in every field of science,
Young Turks have to serve their leaders when
those leaders are the oldest, crustiest, and most
conservative members of the field. Then, when
those old “defenders of the faith” die out, what
were once Young Turks take over for them and
are forced to defend the same bankrupt faith.

Now, what about the origin of life? When did it
occur? How did it occur? The mainstream gives
two options and rejects a third:

(1) They accept as a possibility Undirected Panspermia.
This is the idea that life “drifts” across space carried
on asteroids or meteors that crashed into Earth.

(2) They support the idea that life originates by
Spontaneous Generation. This idea is that life
was created by sheer chance when a lightning
bolt struck a “warm pond” (a term coined by
Charles Darwin) filled with what came to be
called “primordial soup,” a form of witches’
brew containing the “building blocks” of life.

Experts insist that somehow, someway, those
original molecules managed to spontaneously
reassemble into ever more complex molecules
that somehow, someway, formed themselves
into the single cells of the earliest life forms.

The fact that spontaneous self-assembly into
complex molecules does not happen now, nor
can it be forced to happen in coherent patterns
in the most sophisticated laboratories on Earth,
should be an indication that this theory, like the
gravity-based one of cosmologists, needs work.
British astrophysicist Fred Hoyle summed up
the problem neatly when he said the likelihood
of a lightning bolt striking water to assemble
simple molecules into a life form was equal to
the likelihood of a tornado sweeping through a
junkyard and correctly assembling a jetliner.

The third option, which the mainstream rejects,
is Directed Panspermia, which is similar to
undirected Panspermia, except that the first life
forms were guided here by higher intelligence.
Thus, the mainstream hangs its hat on a miracle
worthy of God when a lightning bolt struck the
“primordial soup” to forge basic molecules into
simple life—or on a similarly unlikely miracle
that simple life forms came here on meteors.
The lightning-bolt-hits-primordial-soup theory
is still taught around the world, but not because
mainstream scientists regard it seriously. They
know as well as anyone how absurd it sounds.

Unfortunately, they have no choice but to fake
conviction about it because they have no other
theory to take its place. Some few scientists do
admit they have no plausible idea, but most of
them insist on riding the same old lame horse.
Like the equations of the cosmologists, which
required “miracles” to make sense, the same is
true for biologists. The same kinds of miracles
are fudge-factored in to explain life, when they
have answers that are as easy to grasp as the
difference between gravity and electricity.

In the same way cosmologists stick with the
mistake of gravity, biology’s mistake, the core
of its ossified dogma, is that every aspect of life
on Earth must be accounted for in a “natural”
manner, in strictly terrestrial terms. To explain
life by using “outside” factors is unacceptable,
so alternate ideas are automatically discounted.

Its like the "Guilty until proven Innocent" of science.

Despite automatic rejection, alternative ideas
for the origin of life make a much stronger case
than biological dogma. Such ideas also hew far
more closely to the actual facts of life than do
the fantasies created by imaginative scientists.
Life did not start by accident when lightning
struck a warm pond of primordial soup. Its start
was so unlikely, experts can’t begin to explain
it rationally, so rather than try...

they obscure it. Any way they can.

The Dawn of Sumer.

The first great city of the Human species.

The Darwinian paradigm of simplicity, which
leads to ever more complexity, states that we
should be crawling out of the caves on bloody
hands and knees thousands of years ago. This
doesn't appear to be the case... We come sailing
out and build lavish cities. 1000's of world
firsts... First high-rise buildings, walls,
roads, wheeled vehicles, ocean going vessels,
agriculture, animal husbandry, laws, education,
schools, court systems, and the only one mainstream
gives them credit for which is literature.

We are all taught we come from the Egyptians, Greeks,
and Romans. It is clear they are all byproducts
of Sumer. We are only told the people of Sumer
invent writing, and case closed. They never speak
or teach about the things they wrote, or how
sophisticated they really were, because it doesn't
fit the current model of our progression of
intelligence. Even though things like their decimal
system called sexagesimal, is clearly more advanced
than ours when dealing with very large and small
numbers.

So in the late 1800's when we were translating
what these guys had to say, the "myth" pile had
gotten larger and larger. A man named Zechariah
Sitchin, who we all know went about his work in an
all or nothing fashion asked the great question...

"Who hands the myth to the first civilization"

In the 50's he jumped into the myth pile and published
a dozen books labeled the Earth Chronicles Series.

For all of you who just seen the name Sitchin, and
have your paste of the link sitchiniswrong.com
ready to post, I humbly request you provide yourself
an opportunity for advancement, and at least read
what I have to say before jumping to conclusions.

Lloyd Pye's Defense Of Sitchin.

Anyone who says Zecharia Sitchin is a fraud or mistaken in his translations of Sumerian texts, or anything in that vein, is busily grinding a heavily worn axe. They base all of their complaints on the fact that in certain key areas of the Sumerian writings, he deviates markedly from the "classical" translations, the vast majority of which were completed before 1947, before the terms "UFO" or "alien" came into common usage.

When the early translators came upon passages that could have been and should have been interpreted the way Sitchin interpreted them, they had no conceivable frame of reference for such terminology. Thus, they shoehorned it to fit into their own restricted world views, and because this nonsense was created by "experts" of that time, modern experts have inevitably been brainwashed by their education process to believe that no other translation is needed, much less preferable.

This intellectual claptrap has become established as the "preferred" and "accepted" translations that critics claim Stichin should have respected and stuck with in the way they are obligated to do. Sitchin rightly jettisoned the nonsense and translated the texts more like they were actually written, calling an alien an alien, so to speak, and this gross offense to modern academic sensibilities is what classic scholars considera sacrilege to their mindset.

I have no doubt that, in the fullness of time, historians will consider Zecharia Sitchin vastly more correct than any mainstream pundit in alive at this moment. Why? Because modern scholars endure years of intense training to consider the work of prior scholars sancrosanct, which turns out a virtual army of close-minded sycophants who, ultimately, will be dismissed as the laughable fools they are.

That being said, today we will go over the origins
of life from the Sumerian perspective. They have
many things they wrote about, but their story of
our cosmology at around 4 billion years ago is very
interesting to say the least. They had our Solar
system documented with Pluto as a moon of Saturn,
A planet called Tiamat in the asteroid belt area,
and the big no-no of shills everywhere, Nibiru,
who is captured by the sun in an elliptical 3600 year
clockwise orbit like a comet.

The Enuma E'Lish. The 6 tablets of action, 1 tablet
of summation,(Taken by many as the 6 days of creation
and the one day of rest) plausibly answers at least
a half of dozen great mysteries surrounding our cosmogony.

A planet going clockwise opposed to our counterclockwise
neighborhood has the potential of some serious Doom
folks. Although they describe Nibiru knocking into
Tiamat at one point in time, its last several passings
have been further and further away. So no I don't side
with the Nibiru Doom gang, but I am going to say that
the collision itself answers a lot of questions surrounding
modern astronomy and Earth geology.

In the collision of planets Nibiru and Tiamat, Nibiru
due to it being, colder, larger, and older, it held
itself together. Meanwhile Tiamat was torn in half, but not
completely obliterated. Just cracked open like an eggshell.

Those very few moments answers several of the most
puzzling questions known to man.

The asteroid belt. Volumes of inner viscous magma seeped
out and established what the Sumerians called the "hammered
bracelet" and Tiamat having been illustrated being
originally positioned in the crux of the asteroid belt,
we can simply postulate the collision knocked it into
a new orbit, leaving all the magma to cool and solidify
into what we know call the asteroid belt.

Comets. In a linear solar system, where the
primordial cloud of dust and gas flattens out into
a pancake, comets have no right to come from all over
the place. Mainstreamers may speak of the Oort cloud,
but that is the biggest joke out there (no pun intended), because comets are made of water. You don't make water
in the middle of a vacuum. You make water being a
cooling, condensing planet. The collision described
in the epic answers how they were removed out into
the solar system.

Tectonic plates. The lighter outer crust being
torn off, and half of the planet oozing out its bowels,
we all know what happens to liquids in a vacuum. It makes
the smallest tightest ball it can. So you now hopefully
have a new perspective on why we have moving plates, just
imagine the Earth not completely solidified from the
initial collision around 4 billion years ago.

Pluto. You all heard we're downgrading the planetoid.
It also shares the same fate of comets, it is 17 degrees
off of the ecliptic. NOTHING should be off of the ecliptic.
The Epic illustrated Pluto being a moon of Saturn, till
it was whisked away during Nibiru's approach to the inner
solar system.

Jesus this only took 5 hrs..

The more I try perfecting my "Truth of Our Origins"
series, the further and further away to completion.

During this post alone, I completed the final draft,
only to press the shift button for my internet to
close without reason, losing my entire post.

I also started a second copy which was also deleted
due to me spilling my drink all over my laptop because
of a freak lightning strike.

Even now I am writing this post via cellphone because
my I Internet simply does not work any more.

Basically the importance of this thread, which I find
absolute, is going through the worst symptoms
of diminishing returns I have ever witnessed, let alone
created. Having redo-ed almost 5 times, in shorter more
mediocre paragraphs, I have pulled out all the stops,
finishing this on my phone.

I will finish upgrading this post later.

Can you repeat the whole thing to me ind 25 words or less? Life is too short to read your BS story.

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Sometimes we need to accept the truth of mankinds puerile nature. Accept there are things we do not know.

The secrets of death do not rest beyond the grave. They are hidden within you alive.


I follow a very simple yet powerful "religion".......do your absolute best and the rest is fate.

Search GLP "The Truth of Our Origins" I have one post
dedicated to the whereabouts of Bigfoot.

The Panda analogy, (pandas were mythological creatures
till "Teddy" Roosevelt and his sons killed one sport
hunting accidentally, after researchers gave up after
60 years of government funded expeditions)

The patterson film breakdown, (and why there is no way
it can be someone in a suit)

The Zanna story, (A few people in their 90's in Russia,
claim to have had one as a slave, and it had kids, to
which one of them were dug up, but anthropologists
simply state "its just an extreme variation of the
human norm" )

The Minnesota iceman..

Also why cant we find bones? Some people don't even realize
that there is not a singe fossilized bone of a chimpanzee
in the world today. (having to do with ecological niches)

How we only inhabit 40% of the worlds landmass.

"were humans! we are masters of all we survey!"

But 20% of United States has not once been foot surveyed.

I can go on and on. They share the planet with us.

And once one is brought it, and is compared to "prehuman"
bones, the scientific community is in for a massive
rude awakening.

It will mean Humans do not have a physical place in
the natural scheme of life on Earth.

That like the problem geneticists came across ( that
we genetically don't exist 260k years ago) we just
suddenly appeared.

That what if all that crap the first ever civilization
was saying aren't in fact myths?

What if we were created?