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Anonymous Coward User ID: 22724444 United States 08/27/2012 11:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hmmmm Did you answer how it all began?? I mean from the absolute beginning? Ah, never mind, there is one statement I need to make. Actually, maybe more than that. I think it's fair to say that Earthlings are a primitive species. We have no ability to venture off this planet and for good reason, we aren't smart enough. With that being said. I do have some issues with people trying to figure it all out when we can't even get our social contract right and learn to live without killing our neighbors. As I tell my son who is 6 years old, don't get to far ahead of yourself. You haven't even figured out how to drive a car yet let alone tell me what kind you will like when you are able. I appreciate the effort of those who want to figure out how we got here and the purpose but did it ever occur to you that WE WEREN'T MEANT TO FIGURE IT OUT AT THIS STAGE IN OUR SPIRITUALITY. Things will get answered in due time in your existence. Don't jump the gun to the point where people think your losing your mind over it. Also, I will just lay this out for you, as well as you may feel you are close or nailed it....most won't be there with ya. It's your reality, go ahead and live it, but keep your reality in your proximity and not force fed to others. Would you teach Calculus to an infant? NOT READY! Waste of time!...and if they didn't understand it would you get frustrated? Quoting: ****SUPERFLY**** So, I ask you....what is the beginning? Was it just God? Big bang? Was it a master intellect? Was it from Nothing? or Something? If it was from Nothing...how can something come from nothing....it can't! If it was something...then how did the something get there? See how one can chase their tail? Or...did it come from zero where in mathematics zero is not nothing but a reference point in relation to the something? ok, I'll wait for your storm to pass Peace where does a fractal begin? Are you asking or proposing, thats a very LARGE question! lol! probably both. i do not have the math to understand fractals (never tried, they look cool though), however, innate or gut feeling, says we are in a fractal. too much says so; as above so below, solar system like an atom, big bang = conception, et al is a fractal a circle since it has no end? does it have a beginning? idk my gut says knowing is enough, no need to prove it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8597527 United States 08/27/2012 11:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another deluded gnostic thinks he's outwitted God... Ya know, the usual. You didn't even read it did you? Typical intolerant religious nut.... He clearly states that life was brought here by an extra-terrestrial source, that could be god or some other life form. I simply can't understand how every religion thinks their 100% correct, just think about it for a second, the bible as well as most other religious books have been rewritten over and over. Most religions have many similar aspects, hinting towards a common story of our origin that has been warped over the years through culture and retelling. And what makes your rigid belief system the correct one? "God couldn't possibly have given us a Book of Truth to follow... that's not mysterious enough! And most importantly, it means I would have to follow rules!" Is that it in a nutshell? Is it easier to play X-Files than submit to the true righteousness of your Creator? Christ gave us the answer thousands of years ago, but you'd rather play Scooby Doo than follow the only Way, Truth, and Life. |
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User ID: 22385839 Australia 08/27/2012 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hmmmm Did you answer how it all began?? I mean from the absolute beginning? Ah, never mind, there is one statement I need to make. Actually, maybe more than that. I think it's fair to say that Earthlings are a primitive species. We have no ability to venture off this planet and for good reason, we aren't smart enough. With that being said. I do have some issues with people trying to figure it all out when we can't even get our social contract right and learn to live without killing our neighbors. As I tell my son who is 6 years old, don't get to far ahead of yourself. You haven't even figured out how to drive a car yet let alone tell me what kind you will like when you are able. I appreciate the effort of those who want to figure out how we got here and the purpose but did it ever occur to you that WE WEREN'T MEANT TO FIGURE IT OUT AT THIS STAGE IN OUR SPIRITUALITY. Things will get answered in due time in your existence. Don't jump the gun to the point where people think your losing your mind over it. Also, I will just lay this out for you, as well as you may feel you are close or nailed it....most won't be there with ya. It's your reality, go ahead and live it, but keep your reality in your proximity and not force fed to others. Would you teach Calculus to an infant? NOT READY! Waste of time!...and if they didn't understand it would you get frustrated? Quoting: ****SUPERFLY**** So, I ask you....what is the beginning? Was it just God? Big bang? Was it a master intellect? Was it from Nothing? or Something? If it was from Nothing...how can something come from nothing....it can't! If it was something...then how did the something get there? See how one can chase their tail? Or...did it come from zero where in mathematics zero is not nothing but a reference point in relation to the something? ok, I'll wait for your storm to pass Peace where does a fractal begin? Beautifully said - as above. so below comes to mind. That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 942369 United States 08/27/2012 11:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you repeat the whole thing to me ind 25 words or less? Life is too short to read your BS story. Quoting: Yogi2493 Science is wrong. Man did not evolve from 4 prehuman forms. ET's genetically engineered many things on earth which you see as links and dead ends and the present mankind. Nibiru is coming. Which makes things in the solar system out of normal position. Religion in most cases is mind control of the masses for political and financial gain. Not an attempt at living peacefully with each other in a civilized manner. Close OP? Wispy |
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Messenger User ID: 22634265 United States 08/27/2012 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ***************** You went to LOT of hard work and offered some valid points. Thanks for that. However, as a Born Again follower of the LORD JESUS CHIRST, I simply want to say I stand by my solid conviction plus a great deal of genuine personal PROOF that God Alimighty is the CREATOR of all life. Someday will to will see this reality. ********************* |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17299239 United States 08/27/2012 11:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another deluded gnostic thinks he's outwitted God... Ya know, the usual. This^^^ Primordial soup is dumb...oh by the way, the aliens came from primordial soup.....LOL All you religtards don't even read the post and then talk shit on it. I actually read every word. He explained that the earth's development was intervened in by aliens but posited no explanation as to their origin. Since God has been eliminated, the only other option is the primordial soup that he previously deemed impossible. Nanny, nanny, boo boo, stick your head in doo doo. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8597527 United States 08/27/2012 11:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can you repeat the whole thing to me ind 25 words or less? Life is too short to read your BS story. Quoting: Yogi2493 Science is wrong. Man did not evolve from 4 prehuman forms. ET's genetically engineered many things on earth which you see as links and dead ends and the present mankind. Nibiru is coming. Which makes things in the solar system out of normal position. Religion in most cases is mind control of the masses for political and financial gain. Not an attempt at living peacefully with each other in a civilized manner. Close OP? Wispy The sad thing is all of the Atheists and Naturalists are starting to rant about aliens now, too. They will join all the Galactic Federation / Nibiru / Ancient Alien people in their grand delusion. It's funny to watch man cook up whatever sci-fi he possibly can to deny his creator. "It was slime! No.. It was aliens! No... Dimensions!" |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 4782534 United States 08/27/2012 11:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know if I can ever portray what truley boggles Quoting: Heretic_333 my mind, so please listen to what I have to say glp. Through the endless gauntlet of hurricanes, near death experiences, freak deletions of my posts, I will try To provide GLP with a very important origins post. Please understand how much I have went though to create this. I more than likely will lose power in less than 48 hrs. In posts like this I generally brush people up On what's accepted, then show proof of contradiction. With the wind increasing in velocity, and decreasing in temperature, I will get straight to the point. Everything you know is WRONG. The government is corrupt. Science is invalid. And religion is irrational. Focus. Truth Seeker... When you seek a path to any new truth, you must expect to find it blocked by ‘expert opinion.’ Albert Guérard An emotional plague afflicts people whose belief systems are so rigid they ignore relevant facts and become enraged if anyone challenges their beliefs. Wilhelm Reich When one gets in bed with government, one must expect the diseases it spreads. Ron Paul For every PhD., there is an equal and opposite PhD. Gibson’s Law Anyone can pilot an improbability, but it takes a special touch to fly and safely land an absurdity. Kurt Kuzba A genius is someone who aims at a target no one else can see—and hits it! Anthony Quinn The main purpose of science is to investigate the unexplained, not to explain the uninvestigated. Dr. Stephen Rorke You can sum up the entirety of this document as being the answer to the question.. "If Bigfoot exists, along with 3 other types, then if all 4 early "prehuman" bones belong to them... How did we get here? PLEASE NOTE: We supposedly evolved from four types of "prehumans" Now, thousands of reports every year from all over the world make very clear 4 pertinent distinctions in appearance of these bipedal hair covered creatures. Let me be very clear... This contradiction has the potential to bring everything we know about Primate Evolution to a bone jarring, teeth shattering halt. Hominoids are one of two “fantasy” creatures that can dismantle Evolutionary Theory in one fell swoop (off-world aliens are the other). The day a hominoid is presented to the world for analysis—dead or alive—is the day science can no longer prop up its evolutionary dogma. When macroevolution clatters into history’s dustbin, Divine Creation and Intelligent Design will follow right behind it. Intervention Theory will become the most plausible explanation for how humans and all life came to be on Earth. The supreme arrogance of religious thinking is that a carbon-based bag of mostly water on a speck of ironsilicate dust around a boring dwarf star in a minor galaxy in an unfashionable suburb of (our) supercluster would look up at the sky and declare: “It was all made so that I could exist!” Peter Walker Statements made by alternative researchers like me are automatically contradicted by scientists insisting we are not simply wrong, but stupidly wrong. They further insist we have no right to challenge their cherished beliefs because our only “credentials” are an unwarranted faith in our ability to discern truth from nonsense. [This doesn’t refer to all scientists. Some still willingly risk reputation and security to explore topics that defy dogma. However, they are few.] Every point I discuss is supported by facts in available research, but I am often criticized by skeptics. Why? Because the issues I discuss are long-lived sacred cows to mainstream sciences. Creationists of all kinds, which includes the smarter, more reasonable, and typically wellcredentialed Intelligent Design proponents, insist the only answer to questions about the origins of life or humans is: “God did it!” Darwinists of all stripes insist with equal zeal that their pet theory of evolution best explains how life originated. Their 150-year-old dogma asserts: “It just happened—poof!—like magic!” After the magic moment when life kick-started itself into existence, it initiated a self-contained and imperceptibly slow-but-steady growth into ever more complex forms, until those reached the apex of an arduous climb—humanity. In contrast, Interventionists like me and my hero Lloyd Pye, anchor our search for origins on evidence rather than faith, on logic rather than magic. We don’t think that God did it, or that life spontaneously generated. For us, evidence and logic point to the same “outside intervention” Intelligent Designers see. However, where they feel the only outside source of intervention must be God (whom they are careful to not mention by name), we suggest another, bolder explanation: “They did it!” Who are “They”? The currently favored term is Aliens—non-human, non-Earth-based entities. With Lloyd Pye's permission to cliff most of his material, I will try to make a valid point... That we, as a species are in fact an oddball of mother nature. The sad truth is that in every field of science, Young Turks have to serve their leaders when those leaders are the oldest, crustiest, and most conservative members of the field. Then, when those old “defenders of the faith” die out, what were once Young Turks take over for them and are forced to defend the same bankrupt faith. Now, what about the origin of life? When did it occur? How did it occur? The mainstream gives two options and rejects a third: (1) They accept as a possibility Undirected Panspermia. This is the idea that life “drifts” across space carried on asteroids or meteors that crashed into Earth. (2) They support the idea that life originates by Spontaneous Generation. This idea is that life was created by sheer chance when a lightning bolt struck a “warm pond” (a term coined by Charles Darwin) filled with what came to be called “primordial soup,” a form of witches’ brew containing the “building blocks” of life. Experts insist that somehow, someway, those original molecules managed to spontaneously reassemble into ever more complex molecules that somehow, someway, formed themselves into the single cells of the earliest life forms. The fact that spontaneous self-assembly into complex molecules does not happen now, nor can it be forced to happen in coherent patterns in the most sophisticated laboratories on Earth, should be an indication that this theory, like the gravity-based one of cosmologists, needs work. British astrophysicist Fred Hoyle summed up the problem neatly when he said the likelihood of a lightning bolt striking water to assemble simple molecules into a life form was equal to the likelihood of a tornado sweeping through a junkyard and correctly assembling a jetliner. The third option, which the mainstream rejects, is Directed Panspermia, which is similar to undirected Panspermia, except that the first life forms were guided here by higher intelligence. Thus, the mainstream hangs its hat on a miracle worthy of God when a lightning bolt struck the “primordial soup” to forge basic molecules into simple life—or on a similarly unlikely miracle that simple life forms came here on meteors. The lightning-bolt-hits-primordial-soup theory is still taught around the world, but not because mainstream scientists regard it seriously. They know as well as anyone how absurd it sounds. Unfortunately, they have no choice but to fake conviction about it because they have no other theory to take its place. Some few scientists do admit they have no plausible idea, but most of them insist on riding the same old lame horse. Like the equations of the cosmologists, which required “miracles” to make sense, the same is true for biologists. The same kinds of miracles are fudge-factored in to explain life, when they have answers that are as easy to grasp as the difference between gravity and electricity. In the same way cosmologists stick with the mistake of gravity, biology’s mistake, the core of its ossified dogma, is that every aspect of life on Earth must be accounted for in a “natural” manner, in strictly terrestrial terms. To explain life by using “outside” factors is unacceptable, so alternate ideas are automatically discounted. Its like the "Guilty until proven Innocent" of science. Despite automatic rejection, alternative ideas for the origin of life make a much stronger case than biological dogma. Such ideas also hew far more closely to the actual facts of life than do the fantasies created by imaginative scientists. Life did not start by accident when lightning struck a warm pond of primordial soup. Its start was so unlikely, experts can’t begin to explain it rationally, so rather than try, they obscure The Dawn of Sumer. The first great city of the Human species. The Darwinian paradigm of simplicity, which leads to ever more complexity, states that we should be crawling out of the caves on bloody hands and knees thousands of years ago. This doesn't appear to be the case... We come sailing out and build lavish cities. 1000's of world firsts... First high-rise buildings, walls, roads, wheeled vehicles, ocean going vessels, agriculture, animal husbandry, laws, education, schools, court systems, and the only one mainstream gives them credit for which is literature. We are all taught we come from the Egyptians, Greeks, and Romans. It is clear they are all byproducts of Sumer. We are only told the people of Sumer invent writing, and case closed. They never speak or teach about the things they wrote, or how sophisticated they really were, because it doesn't fit the current model of our progression of intelligence. Even though things like their decimal system called Sexsadecimal, is clearly more advanced than the Dewey when dealing with very large and small numbers. So in the late 1800's when we were translating what these guys had to say, the "myth" pile had gotten larger and larger. A man named Zechariah Sitchin, who we all know went about his work in an all or nothing fashion asked the great question... "Who hands the myth to the first civilization" In the 50's he jumped into the myth pile and published a dozen books labeled the Earth Chronicles Series. For all of you who just seen the name Sitchin, and have your paste of the link sitchiniswrong.com ready to post, I humbly request you provide yourself an opportunity for advancement, and at least read what I have to say before jumping to conclusions. Lloyd Pye's Defense Of Sitchin. Anyone who says Zecharia Sitchin is a fraud or mistaken in his translations of Sumerian texts, or anything in that vein, is busily grinding a heavily worn axe. They base all of their complaints on the fact that in certain key areas of the Sumerian writings, he deviates markedly from the "classical" translations, the vast majority of which were completed before 1947, before the terms "UFO" or "alien" came into common usage. When the early translators came upon passages that could have been and should have been interpreted the way Sitchin interpreted them, they had no conceivable frame of reference for such terminology. Thus, they shoehorned it to fit into their own restricted world views, and because this nonsense was created by "experts" of that time, modern experts have inevitably been brainwashed by their education process to believe that no other translation is needed, much less preferable. This intellectual claptrap has become established as the "preferred" and "accepted" translations that critics claim Stichin should have respected and stuck with in the way they are obligated to do. Sitchin rightly jettisoned the nonsense and translated the texts more like they were actually written, calling an alien an alien, so to speak, and this gross offense to modern academic sensibilities is what classic scholars considera sacrilege to their mindset. I have no doubt that, in the fullness of time, historians will consider Zecharia Sitchin vastly more correct than any mainstream pundit in alive at this moment. Why? Because modern scholars endure years of intense training to consider the work of prior scholars sancrosanct, which turns out a virtual army of close-minded sycophants who, ultimately, will be dismissed as the laughable fools they are. That being said, today we will go over the origins of life from the Sumerian perspective. They have many things they wrote about, but their story of our cosmology at around 4 billion years ago is very interesting to say the least. They had our Solar system documented with Pluto as a moon of Saturn, A planet called Tiamat in the asteroid belt area, and the big no-no of shills everywhere, Nibiru, who is captured by the sun in an elliptical 3600 year clockwise orbit like a comet. The Enuma E'Lish. The 6 tablets of action, 1 tablet of summation,(Taken by many as the 6 days of creation and the one day of rest) plausibly answers at least a half of dozen great mysteries surrounding our cosmogony. A planet going clockwise opposed to our counterclockwise neighborhood has the potential of some serious Doom folks. Although they describe Nibiru knocking into Tiamat at one point in time, its last several passings have been further and further away. So no I don't side with the Nibiru Doom gang, but I am going to say that the collision itself answers a lot of questions surrounding modern astronomy and Earth geology. In the collision of planets Nibiru and Tiamat, Nibiru due to it being, colder, larger, and older, it held itself together. Meanwhile Tiamat was torn in half, but not completely obliterated. Just cracked open like an eggshell. Those very few moments answers several of the most puzzling questions known to man. The asteroid belt. Volumes of inner viscous magma seeped out and established what the Sumerians called the "hammered bracelet" and Tiamat having been illustrated being originally positioned in the crux of the asteroid belt, we can simply postulate the collision knocked it into a new orbit, leaving all the magma to cool and solidify into what we know call the asteroid belt. Comets. In a linear solar system, where the primordial cloud of dust and gas flattens out into a pancake, comets have no right to come from all over the place. Mainstreamers may speak of the Oort cloud, but that is the biggest joke out there (no pun intended), because comets are made of water. You don't make water in the middle of a vacuum. You make water being a cooling, condensing planet. The collision described in the epic answers how they were removed out into the solar system. Tectonic plates. The lighter outer crust being torn off, and half of the planet oozing out its bowels, we all know what happens to liquids in a vacuum. It makes the smallest tightest ball it can. So you now hopefully have a new perspective on why we have moving plates, just imagine the Earth not completely solidified from the initial collision around 4 billion years ago. Pluto. You all heard we're downgrading the planetoid. It also shares the same fate of comets, it is 17 degrees off of the ecliptic. NOTHING should be off of the ecliptic. The Epic illustrated Pluto being a moon of Saturn, till it was whisked away during Nibiru's approach to the inner solar system. Jesus this only took 5 hrs.. The more I try perfecting my "Truth of Our Origins" series, the further and further away to completion. During this post alone, I completed the final draft, only to press the shift button for my internet to close without reason, losing my entire post. I also started a second copy which was also deleted due to me spilling my drink all over my laptop because of a freak lightning strike. Even now I am writing this post via cellphone because my I Internet simply does not work any more. Basically the importance of this thread, which I find absolute, is going through the worst symptoms of diminishing returns I have ever witnessed, let alone created. Having redo-ed almost 5 times, in shorter more mediocre paragraphs, I have pulled out all the stops, finishing this on my phone. I will finish upgrading this post later. You've already fallen for the great deception and the tribulation hasn't even started yet. Congradulations |
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User ID: 1052341 Puerto Rico 08/27/2012 11:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Awesome man...I'm still waiting for the origins of man, but right on dude, a seminal work bud... Last Edited by Saddletramp on 08/27/2012 11:49 PM "And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius "Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..." "We don't rent pigs!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17299239 United States 08/27/2012 11:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another deluded gnostic thinks he's outwitted God... Ya know, the usual. You didn't even read it did you? Typical intolerant religious nut.... He clearly states that life was brought here by an extra-terrestrial source, that could be god or some other life form. I simply can't understand how every religion thinks their 100% correct, just think about it for a second, the bible as well as most other religious books have been rewritten over and over. Most religions have many similar aspects, hinting towards a common story of our origin that has been warped over the years through culture and retelling. Actually, he clearly states, "We don't think God did it." that only leaves " other life form" whose creation he doesn't attempt to explain. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 428255 Bulgaria 08/27/2012 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another deluded gnostic thinks he's outwitted God... Ya know, the usual. You didn't even read it did you? Typical intolerant religious nut.... He clearly states that life was brought here by an extra-terrestrial source, that could be god or some other life form. I simply can't understand how every religion thinks their 100% correct, just think about it for a second, the bible as well as most other religious books have been rewritten over and over. Most religions have many similar aspects, hinting towards a common story of our origin that has been warped over the years through culture and retelling. Actually, he clearly states, "We don't think God did it." that only leaves " other life form" whose creation he doesn't attempt to explain. Yea and that's why his post is meaningless. If he can't explain how life itself came to existence, why does it matter how humans came to existence? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4782534 United States 08/27/2012 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another deluded gnostic thinks he's outwitted God... Ya know, the usual. You didn't even read it did you? Typical intolerant religious nut.... He clearly states that life was brought here by an extra-terrestrial source, that could be god or some other life form. I simply can't understand how every religion thinks their 100% correct, just think about it for a second, the bible as well as most other religious books have been rewritten over and over. Most religions have many similar aspects, hinting towards a common story of our origin that has been warped over the years through culture and retelling. Actually, he clearly states, "We don't think God did it." that only leaves " other life form" whose creation he doesn't attempt to explain. correct. I am 100% convinced that the great deception will be demons coming down pretending they are our alien creators.it is the only deception i know that could fool theists and atheists alike. |
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User ID: 22385839 Australia 08/27/2012 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527 Another deluded gnostic thinks he's outwitted God... Ya know, the usual. This^^^ Primordial soup is dumb...oh by the way, the aliens came from primordial soup.....LOL All you religtards don't even read the post and then talk shit on it. I actually read every word. He explained that the earth's development was intervened in by aliens but posited no explanation as to their origin. Since God has been eliminated, the only other option is the primordial soup that he previously deemed impossible. Nanny, nanny, boo boo, stick your head in doo doo. No, the other option is that there was no beginning as all things are eternal and eternally changing! That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
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