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Dark Matter Mystery - Closer to Being Solved?

 
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The Mystery of Dark Matter May Be Near to Being Deciphered
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The universe is comprised of a large amount of invisible matter, dark matter. It fills the space between the galaxies and between the stars in the galaxies. Since the prediction of the existence of dark matter more than 70 years ago, all sorts of researchers - astronomers, cosmologists and particle physicists have been looking for answers to what it could be...

...The Planck satellite, which was launched in 2009, has extremely sensitive instruments that can map microwave radiation in the entire sky with great precision. The latest data from the Planck mission reveals unusual radiation from our own galaxy, which open a new direction in understanding the most fundamental properties of the space, time and matter in the Universe.

"We have observed a very unique emission of radio radiation from the centre of our galaxy, the Milky Way. By using different methods to separate the signal for very broad range of wavelengths, we have been able to determine the spectrum of the radiation.

The radiation originates from synchrotron emission, i.e. electrons and positrons circulating at high energies around the lines of the Magnetic Field in the centre of the galaxy, and there are quite strong indications that it could come from dark matter," explains Pavel Naselsky...

..."But we know from theoretical predictions that the concentration of dark matter particles around the centre of galaxies is very high and we have a strong argument they can collide there and in the collision electrons and positrons are formed. These electrons and positrons start to rotate around the magnetic field at the centre of the galaxy and in doing so produce this very unusual synchrotron radiation.

[link to www.spacedaily.com]
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Here is your dark matter:

odance
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I'd highly recommend Leonard Susskind's 8 part lecture series on FLRW cosmology, filmed at Stanford U, he explains in explicit detail what is known, what isn't known, all the unanswered questions, all the problems and holes in the current model/s, radiation dominated universe as opposed to matter dominated universe, etc, etc.

It's the best lecture series on the FLRW model I've found so far.

AC,...sometimes it helps to actually know about what you say you don't believe in.

tomato
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I could care less what some pseudo-scientist has to pontificate on his "science discoveries"... Sometimes common sense takes over. Unless you're a potato. Until these quacks take into account all the other dimensions and realms, they're looking in an empty paper bag for the answers. Quacks and Bozos!
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Of course you don't.

You have an " opinion " about something based on a lack of knowledge.

There's a word to describe a lack of knowledge.....oh yeah...." Ignorance ".

Who's a quack ?

You charlie
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Is my lack of knowledge concerning this so-called dark matter? Oh wait, they can't find it, can't see it, and can't confer it's there. If that's ignorance, I'll accept that. You must remove yourself from mainstream science to get the proper answers. Dig deep, the answers are out there. It's just like the mainstream news, nothing but lies. If science spoke the truth, you'd never hear of it.
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You know, I had a " debate " on another forum, similar to this one, a few months back.

The poster said that we were being " cooked " by a pulsar from the Crab Nebula, and that death was going to be quick.

If the poster had bothered to actually learn something before opening his mouth, he'd have known that the radiation pressure from the nebula that was reaching us had the kinetic energy of a flying mosquito, ( ~ 1.6 watts per meter squared as opposed to the ~ 1000 watts per square meter from the sun ) he might not have sounded like such an imbecile.

But he, like you, was talking out of his ass, plain and simple, but was more concerned with appearing to be right then he was with actually knowing what he was talking about.

Learn some science before you put it down.
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What is this dark matters opposite Mr. Green? Nothing that manifests in the physical plane comes for null and void. What is DM's spiritual plane counter-part? Hmm??
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The bold confuses me. Did you mean 'comes FROM null and void'? Or, comes forth?

This is a good mind exercise, lol.

In the spiritual plane, it would be akin to Plato's Forms, I imagine.

I'm doing a little research on PLATO.

...Plato later began to develop his own philosophy and the Socrates of the later dialogues does more teaching than he does questioning. The fundamental aspect of Plato's thought is the theory of "ideas" or "forms." Plato, like so many other Greek philosphers, was stymied by the question of change in the physical world. Heraclitus had said that there is nothing certain or stable except the fact that things change, and Parmenides and the Eleatic philosophers claimed that all change, motion, and time was an illusion. Where was the truth? How can these two opposite positions be reconciled? Plato ingeniously combined the two; a discussion of Plato's theory of forms is below.
[link to www.wsu.edu:8080]
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Theory of Forms
Main article: Theory of Forms

The Theory of Forms (Greek) typically refers to the belief expressed by Socrates in some of Plato's dialogues, that the material world as it seems to us is not the real world, but only an image or copy of the real world. Socrates spoke of forms in formulating a solution to the problem of universals. The forms, according to Socrates, are roughly speaking archetypes or abstract representations of the many types of things, and properties we feel and see around us, that can only be perceived by reason (Greek:); (that is, they are universals). In other words, Socrates sometimes seems to recognise two worlds: the apparent world, which constantly changes, and an unchanging and unseen world of forms, which may be a cause of what is apparent.
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Glitch in my "matrix"...mean from. I do that with you for your and the for them and so and so for...er ment forth. lol

What is it like in your Plato's Cave? Is your light radiant or focused?

The so called "modern scientist" is more mad than any so called crack pot alchemist of former days.
Guys like Kaku have ego's more "dense" than singularities they propose exist in super massive black holes.

You have been suffering greatly from the yoke of information over-load!
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It's focused inwardly to the center and radiant going outward.

Last Edited by Swinging on Spirals on 09/05/2012 02:17 PM
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Oh, and about the information overload. Yes, I have been suffering with that for years.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

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Ekkk, scientists are still ignoring the effects of the momentum of the electric field and its relation to motional mass. Consider the following from J.J. Thomson, written so long ago;

"Motion of a Charged Sphere (Electricity and Matter pg 20-25)

We shall apply these results to a very simple and important case the steady motion of a charged sphere. If the velocity of the sphere is small compared with that of light then the Faraday tubes will, as when the sphere is at rest, be uniformly distributed and radial in direction. They will be carried along with the sphere. If e is the charge on the sphere, O its centre, the density of the Faraday tubes at P is e/4*pi*O*P^2; so that if v is the velocity of the sphere, theta the angle between OP and the direction of motion of the sphere, then, according to the above rule, the magnetic force at P will be e*v*sin*theta/r^2, the direction of the force will be at right angles to OP, and at right angles to the direction of motion of the sphere ; the lines of magnetic force will thus be circles, having their centres on the path of the centre of the sphere and their planes at right angles to this path. Thus, a moving charge of electricity will be accompanied by a magnetic field. The existence of a magnetic field implies energy; we know that in a unit volume of the field at a place where the magnetic force is H there are u*H^2/8*pi units of energy, where u is the magnetic permeability of the medium. In the case of the moving sphere the energy per unit volume at P is u*e^2*v^2*sin^2*theta/8*pi*O*P^4. Taking the sum of this energy for all parts of the field outside the sphere, we find that it amounts to u*e^2*v^2/3*a where a is the radius of the sphere. If m is the mass of the sphere, the kinetic energy in the sphere is ½m*v^2 in addition to that we have the energy outside the sphere, which as we have seen is u*e^2*v^2/3*a; so that the whole kinetic energy of the system is ½(m + 2u/3 * e^2/a)v^2 or the energy is the same as if the mass of the sphere were m + 2u/3 * e^2/a instead of m. Thus, in consequence of the electric charge, the mass of the sphere is measured by 2u*e^2/3a. This is a very important result, since it shows that part of the mass of a charged sphere is due to its charge. I shall later on have to bring before you considerations which show that it is not impossible that the whole mass of a body may arise in the way.

Before passing on to this point, however, I should like to illustrate the increase which takes place in the mass of the sphere by some analogies drawn from other branches of physics. The first of these is the case of a sphere moving through a frictionless liquid. When the sphere moves it sets the fluid around it moving with a velocity proportioned to its own, so that to move the sphere we have not merely to move the substance of the sphere itself, but also the liquid around it ; the consequence of this is, that the sphere behaves as if its mass were increased by that of a certain volume of the liquid. This volume, as was shown by Green in 1833, is half the volume of the sphere. In the case of a cylinder moving at right angles to its length, its mass is increased by the mass of an equal volume of the liquid. In the case of an elongated body like a cylinder, the amount by which the mass is increased depends upon the direction in which the body is moving, being much smaller when the body moves point foremost than when moving sideways. The mass of such a body depends on the direction in which it is moving.

Let us, however, return to the moving electrified sphere. We have seen that in consequence of its charge its mass is increased by 2u*e^2/3a; thus, if it is moving with the velocity v, the momentum is not mv, but (m + 2u*e^2/3a)*v. The additional momentum (2u*e^2/3a)*v is not in the sphere, but in the space surrounding the sphere. There is in this space ordinary mechanical momentum, whose resultant is (2u*e^2/3a)*v and whose direction is parallel to the direction of motion of the sphere. It is important to bear in mind that this momentum is not in any way different from ordinary mechanical momentum and can be given up to or taken from the momentum of moving bodies. I want to bring the existence of this momentum before you as vividly and forcibly as I can, because the recognition of it makes the behavior of the electric field entirely analogous to that of a mechanical system. To take an example, according to Newton's Third Law of Motion, Action and Reaction are equal and opposite, so that the momentum in any direction of any self-contained system is invariable. Now, in the case of many electrical systems there are apparant violations of this principle; thus, take the case of a charged body at rest struck by an electric pulse, the charged body when exposed to the electric force in the pulse acquires velocity and momentum, so that when the pulse has passed over it, its momentum is not what it was originally.
Thus, if we confine our attention to the momentum in the charged body, i.e., if we suppose that momentum is necessarily confined to what we consider ordinary matter, there has been a violation of the Third Law of Motion, for the only momentum recognized on this restricted view has been changed. The phenomenon is, however, brought into accordance with this law if we recognize the existence of the momentum in the electric field ; for, on this view, before the pulse reached the charged body there was momentum in the pulse, but none in the body; after the pulse passed over the body there was some momentum in the body and a smaller amount in the pulse, the loss of momentum in the pulse being equal to the gain of momentum by the body.

We now proceed to consider this momentum more in detail. I have in my " Recent Researches on Electricity and Magnetism" calculated the amount of momentum at any point in the electric field, and have shown that if N is the number of Faraday tubes passing through a unit area drawn at right angles to their direction, B the magnetic induction, theta the angle between the induction and the Faraday tubes, then the momentum per unit volume is equal to N*B*sin*theta, the direction of the momentum being at right angles to the magnetic induction and also to the Faraday tubes. Many of you will notice that the momentum is parallel to what is known as Poynting's vector the vector whose direction gives the direction in which energy is flowing through the field."
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I suspect we don't need dark matter at all, it's something to think about anyways.
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I suspect we don't need dark matter at all, it's something to think about anyways.
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I think you are correct.
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but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Dark matter... BS science. If there were so much "dark matter" spread all over the universe, we wouldn't be able to see the stars at night. Especially the ones that are "claimed" to be 15 billion light years away. If there was even one particle of dust per square mile of space, it would be like trying to look through a snowstorm. Science wrapped in religion! Complete BS!
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yup. there are several explanations for the galaxy observations that led to the introduction/invention of the dark matter "fudge factor" ...

i have one, many other people do too.

if any astrophysicists want to know exactly why galaxies behave that way, just pay me £100,000.

or just go take a course in lateral thinking, or pay for someone smarter than yourself to go on one.
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couldnt it also be argued that the electrons and positrons are a result of hawking radiation?
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[link to www.eso.org]

The most accurate study so far of the motions of stars in the Milky Way has found no evidence for dark matter in a large volume around the Sun. According to widely accepted theories, the solar neighbourhood was expected to be filled with dark matter, a mysterious invisible substance that can only be detected indirectly by the gravitational force it exerts. But a new study by a team of astronomers in Chile has found that these theories just do not fit the observational facts. This may mean that attempts to directly detect dark matter particles on Earth are unlikely to be successful.

dark matter theory is a bad science, a bad math using infinity (dividing by zero) to equalize a bad equation

with the same bad mathematics you can prove that 2=1:

[link to www.jimloy.com]

or you can prove god exists and he is dancing on his eyelashes while singing hallelujah

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SS- you seemed to know a lot of things regarding our universe and giving us constant clue to "confused" people like me .

Can you pls let us know if you are referring to Paul Laviollete's superwave?
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Not in this instance.

But, I think other things that we have discussed concerning fluff, and the giant magnetic fields, etc can be associated with the dr.'s work. But, it may be unrelated as well. The reason I say this, is that it is very 'dynamic' out there, and we don't know a whole lot.

Laviolette has stated that the superwave may travel at the speed of light, therefor we would never see it coming, and could never have a warning of its coming because of it moving at light speed.

That's different than the idea that magnetic field lines and electric charges are carrier waves of energy. But, it is all related as well. lol It is more of a matter of how anyone may be relating these things to whatever they may be influencing.
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There are no such thing as "magnetic field lines", just as elevation contour lines on a map don't exist in Reality.

All this "Dark Matter", "Dark Energy" and "Black Holes" Alice-in-Blunderland rubbish is just crap made up by mathematicians who refuse to see that Electricity moulds the Universe, not Gravity.
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You are correct. Bad wording. Magnetic fields. How's that? I don't think you understand that I am an EU/PU advocate. I think you want me to debate with you, you thinking I am not a EU/PU proponent.
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You are?

My apologies for jumping to conclusions!
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bump to read later ~
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[link to www.eso.org]

The most accurate study so far of the motions of stars in the Milky Way has found no evidence for dark matter in a large volume around the Sun. According to widely accepted theories, the solar neighbourhood was expected to be filled with dark matter, a mysterious invisible substance that can only be detected indirectly by the gravitational force it exerts. But a new study by a team of astronomers in Chile has found that these theories just do not fit the observational facts. This may mean that attempts to directly detect dark matter particles on Earth are unlikely to be successful.

dark matter theory is a bad science, a bad math using infinity (dividing by zero) to equalize a bad equation

with the same bad mathematics you can prove that 2=1:

[link to www.jimloy.com]

or you can prove god exists and he is dancing on his eyelashes while singing hallelujah

iamwith
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When scientists finally accept & work with ontological mathematical numbers such as zero, infinity & imaginary numbers then the dark matter will be more likely found.

But like I said before, mainstream science is very fashion conscious, mortgages need to be paid ect
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The Mystery of Dark Matter May Be Near to Being Deciphered
by Staff Writers
Copenhagen, Denmark (SPX) Sep 05, 2012

The universe is comprised of a large amount of invisible matter, dark matter. It fills the space between the galaxies and between the stars in the galaxies. Since the prediction of the existence of dark matter more than 70 years ago, all sorts of researchers - astronomers, cosmologists and particle physicists have been looking for answers to what it could be...

...The Planck satellite, which was launched in 2009, has extremely sensitive instruments that can map microwave radiation in the entire sky with great precision. The latest data from the Planck mission reveals unusual radiation from our own galaxy, which open a new direction in understanding the most fundamental properties of the space, time and matter in the Universe.

"We have observed a very unique emission of radio radiation from the centre of our galaxy, the Milky Way. By using different methods to separate the signal for very broad range of wavelengths, we have been able to determine the spectrum of the radiation.

The radiation originates from synchrotron emission, i.e. electrons and positrons circulating at high energies around the lines of the Magnetic Field in the centre of the galaxy, and there are quite strong indications that it could come from dark matter," explains Pavel Naselsky...

..."But we know from theoretical predictions that the concentration of dark matter particles around the centre of galaxies is very high and we have a strong argument they can collide there and in the collision electrons and positrons are formed. These electrons and positrons start to rotate around the magnetic field at the centre of the galaxy and in doing so produce this very unusual synchrotron radiation.

[link to www.spacedaily.com]
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you are describing the jinn.

JUST FOR YOUR INFO.
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Uranus is full of dark matter. Everybody's is.
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What is this dark matters opposite Mr. Green? Nothing that manifests in the physical plane comes for null and void. What is DM's spiritual plane counter-part? Hmm??
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The bold confuses me. Did you mean 'comes FROM null and void'? Or, comes forth?

This is a good mind exercise, lol.

In the spiritual plane, it would be akin to Plato's Forms, I imagine.

I'm doing a little research on PLATO.

...Plato later began to develop his own philosophy and the Socrates of the later dialogues does more teaching than he does questioning. The fundamental aspect of Plato's thought is the theory of "ideas" or "forms." Plato, like so many other Greek philosphers, was stymied by the question of change in the physical world. Heraclitus had said that there is nothing certain or stable except the fact that things change, and Parmenides and the Eleatic philosophers claimed that all change, motion, and time was an illusion. Where was the truth? How can these two opposite positions be reconciled? Plato ingeniously combined the two; a discussion of Plato's theory of forms is below.
[link to www.wsu.edu:8080]
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Theory of Forms
Main article: Theory of Forms

The Theory of Forms (Greek) typically refers to the belief expressed by Socrates in some of Plato's dialogues, that the material world as it seems to us is not the real world, but only an image or copy of the real world. Socrates spoke of forms in formulating a solution to the problem of universals. The forms, according to Socrates, are roughly speaking archetypes or abstract representations of the many types of things, and properties we feel and see around us, that can only be perceived by reason (Greek:); (that is, they are universals). In other words, Socrates sometimes seems to recognise two worlds: the apparent world, which constantly changes, and an unchanging and unseen world of forms, which may be a cause of what is apparent.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Wonderful stuff!!

This is what my understanding is based on.

The Illuminati are very much into the classics, Pythagoras was the founder, Hypatia was a Grand Master (no sexism in the Illuminati)

Even the modern day philosophers; Neitsche, Descartes, & of course Leibniz
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Not in this instance.

But, I think other things that we have discussed concerning fluff, and the giant magnetic fields, etc can be associated with the dr.'s work. But, it may be unrelated as well. The reason I say this, is that it is very 'dynamic' out there, and we don't know a whole lot.

Laviolette has stated that the superwave may travel at the speed of light, therefor we would never see it coming, and could never have a warning of its coming because of it moving at light speed.

That's different than the idea that magnetic field lines and electric charges are carrier waves of energy. But, it is all related as well. lol It is more of a matter of how anyone may be relating these things to whatever they may be influencing.
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals


There are no such thing as "magnetic field lines", just as elevation contour lines on a map don't exist in Reality.

All this "Dark Matter", "Dark Energy" and "Black Holes" Alice-in-Blunderland rubbish is just crap made up by mathematicians who refuse to see that Electricity moulds the Universe, not Gravity.
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You are correct. Bad wording. Magnetic fields. How's that? I don't think you understand that I am an EU/PU advocate. I think you want me to debate with you, you thinking I am not a EU/PU proponent.
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You are?

My apologies for jumping to conclusions!
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hehehe, no worries.

Many times I will post things like this for reasons that may not seem apparent at first.

To me, this article was of interest because of the highlighted red in the original post. All these 'new' findings and mysteries are becoming somewhat familiar and less mysterious because of magnetism and electricity.

These electrons and positrons start to rotate around the magnetic field at the centre of the galaxy and in doing so produce this very unusual synchrotron radiation.

So, magnetic fields produce the effect of 'unusual' synchrotron radiation.

What these articles don't say (which is frustrating) is that electricity creates these magnetic fields.

I am a plasma universe guy, not just an electric universe guy.
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I suspect we don't need dark matter at all, it's something to think about anyways.
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I think you are correct.
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Oh, I bet we do! peace LOL

How ya doin today SS?
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I suspect we don't need dark matter at all, it's something to think about anyways.
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I think you are correct.
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Oh, I bet we do! peace LOL

How ya doin today SS?
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lol

I'm doing good. Last week was rough, mentally and physically puking, but that's par the course for me...I'm weird. Overall, doing real good though!
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The theory goes. Others have different opinions. Big bangism was discredited long ago.
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The theory goes. Others have different opinions. Big bangism was discredited long ago.
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ohyeah

Thread: The Proposal of: Creatio Ex Nihilo - The Big Bang Theory
Hannes Alfvén
...made many contributions to plasma physics, including theories describing the behavior of aurorae, the Van Allen radiation belts, the effect of magnetic storms on the Earth's magnetic field, the terrestrial magnetosphere, and the dynamics of plasmas in the Milky Way galaxy. - Wikipedia

"I was there when Abbe Georges Lemaitre first proposed this theory [Big Bang]. Lemaitre was, at the time, both a member of the Catholic hierarchy and an accomplished scientist. He said in private that this theory was a way to reconcile science with St. Thomas Aquinas' theological dictum of creatio ex nihilo or creation out of nothing.

"There is no rational reason to doubt that the universe has existed indefinitely, for an infinite time. It is only myth that attempts to say how the universe came to be, either four thousand or twenty billion years ago."

- Hannes Alfvén
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"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Re: Dark Matter Mystery - Closer to Being Solved?
Yay for voodoo science!
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Yay for voodoo science!
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gtfoscience

j/kidding!
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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so called 'dark matter' is in fact true 'anti-matter', it's not material in any way...

it's opposite to matter

it's nothingness

it's also beyond any logic, because it does not exist, yet it can be perceived

5a
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:gtfoscience:

j/kidding!
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Oh, that is silly :)
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Re: Dark Matter Mystery - Closer to Being Solved?
so called 'dark matter' is in fact true 'anti-matter', it's not material in any way...

it's opposite to matter

it's nothingness

it's also beyond any logic, because it does not exist, yet it can be perceived

5a
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It's not nothing.. NOTHING IS NOTHING

BWAHAHAHAAA
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Re: Dark Matter Mystery - Closer to Being Solved?
The Mystery of Dark Matter May Be Near to Being Deciphered
by Staff Writers
Copenhagen, Denmark (SPX) Sep 05, 2012

The universe is comprised of a large amount of invisible matter, dark matter. It fills the space between the galaxies and between the stars in the galaxies. Since the prediction of the existence of dark matter more than 70 years ago, all sorts of researchers - astronomers, cosmologists and particle physicists have been looking for answers to what it could be...

...The Planck satellite, which was launched in 2009, has extremely sensitive instruments that can map microwave radiation in the entire sky with great precision. The latest data from the Planck mission reveals unusual radiation from our own galaxy, which open a new direction in understanding the most fundamental properties of the space, time and matter in the Universe.

"We have observed a very unique emission of radio radiation from the centre of our galaxy, the Milky Way. By using different methods to separate the signal for very broad range of wavelengths, we have been able to determine the spectrum of the radiation.

The radiation originates from synchrotron emission, i.e. electrons and positrons circulating at high energies around the lines of the Magnetic Field in the centre of the galaxy, and there are quite strong indications that it could come from dark matter," explains Pavel Naselsky...

..."But we know from theoretical predictions that the concentration of dark matter particles around the centre of galaxies is very high and we have a strong argument they can collide there and in the collision electrons and positrons are formed. These electrons and positrons start to rotate around the magnetic field at the centre of the galaxy and in doing so produce this very unusual synchrotron radiation.

[link to www.spacedaily.com]
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one step forward three steps back...

nothing new under the Sun

when will they stumble upon the simple fact that they can lead a horse to water but they can't force it to drink?

you just keep banging particles together and you'll get a whole lot more than you've bargained for and the onset of that which you've earned in full and well deserve in the process

; )

yee haw

let me count the ways in which we can enjoy the undoing of the All that Isn't...
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Nail on the head! Everything out from nothing. Infinitely Invisible black holes entities, undetectable matter and energy. Talk about the paranormal. ohyeah
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There are no such thing as "magnetic field lines", just as elevation contour lines on a map don't exist in Reality.

All this "Dark Matter", "Dark Energy" and "Black Holes" Alice-in-Blunderland rubbish is just crap made up by mathematicians who refuse to see that Electricity moulds the Universe, not Gravity.
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You are correct. Bad wording. Magnetic fields. How's that? I don't think you understand that I am an EU/PU advocate. I think you want me to debate with you, you thinking I am not a EU/PU proponent.
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You are?

My apologies for jumping to conclusions!
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hehehe, no worries.

Many times I will post things like this for reasons that may not seem apparent at first.

To me, this article was of interest because of the highlighted red in the original post. All these 'new' findings and mysteries are becoming somewhat familiar and less mysterious because of magnetism and electricity.

These electrons and positrons start to rotate around the magnetic field at the centre of the galaxy and in doing so produce this very unusual synchrotron radiation.

So, magnetic fields produce the effect of 'unusual' synchrotron radiation.

What these articles don't say (which is frustrating) is that electricity creates these magnetic fields.

I am a plasma universe guy, not just an electric universe guy.
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"Under extremely low temperatures in the computer model, the crystal turned into a quantum fluid, an exotic state of matter where electrons begin to condense"
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