Massive Object Blocks the Sun, Is It....

See how easy and correct that was?

No need to call for idiots, nothing. Just plain info for those that want to read it.

You don't actually think you'll change anyone's mind (those who religiously wait for conspiracy) by calling them idiots, do you?

You're a good asset in this grand scheme of the loony forums, but (and please, don't take me wrong on this) you need to learn how to interact with people.

I see you're goal is to inform, to "teach", yet you promote the opposite by interacting with most people that start by having a distorted view of the situations.

Human behaviour basics. ;)

Anything Tbar1984? It's an honest question. If you don't know it's no problem.

My goal is not to change the minds of those who religiously wait for conspiracy. In fact, I don't really give a damn what anyone thinks, I'm simply putting out the truth for those intelligent enough to understand it. Most won't, but a few do now and then. In the meantime it's really amusing to watch how pissed off the rest get at the truth.

Its actually Rambo blocking the sun.

IMO, S0 is just another version of Donny. He points out things that most people don't understand and tries to make a big deal out of it. His 1400 'Anomaly' turned out to be a common occurrence that has been seen for YEARS verses the NEVER SEEN BEFORE occurrence he claimed. It was actually identified as feedback from the Power Lines by the Station themselves, but, ignorant people are still worrying about it. If you go back and look at the records, you will see most of these 'curiosities' have happened before. Some, like the Power Feedback, can only be answered by the people operating the site, who apparently are not concerned with S0's 'curiosity'. I'm not going to waste anymore time on it. This is the only video I will make on it.

Woah!! That was cool!!

ok, but SO is no donny, he usually presents weather and different quakes and solar activity.

People in here do not get scared,the scary it gets the better only the way you get the truth out.

Keep them videos coming

Seems to me that whatever it was did not affect the Sun in such a way that it responded...so it must have been closer to the camera than the sun. It could have been the Earth. But since I don't trust everything tptb tell us I will listen to more debate. Carry on...

No one should be calling someone else an idoit. The OP is only asking a question and to act like we are so much smarter isnt nice. NASA has lied to the public lots of times and covered important information, messed with photos, to act like NASA is truthful is calling a mouse a dog. It would be nice someday to just have a tread that for once doesnt call others idiot or retard.

Oh boy, here we go again. NASA CANNOT LIE ABOUT SDO'S ORBIT!

Actually the OP was answering a question he knew would arise due to a known event which can be predicted well in advance. The only question was how much of the Sun would be visible through the Earth's Atmosphere today. I thought you would have seen more Sun today, I didn't think it would obscure as much as it did. Otherwise, it was right on time...

I would just love to see one thread where members talked with respect to each other and give our opinions. Not try to make others feel stupid or so inferior. But I guess I would have to stop coming here to GLP if I wanted that.

Fine, provide proof of one instance, any instance, of NASA lying about the orbit of one of their satellites or probes.

I fail to understand human humor behavior...

Interesting. Spaceweather says the eclipses will end on the 26th, "...During the eclipse, which was centered around 0700 UT, Earth covered about half of the sun. Because these eclipses typically last only a few minutes, there is still plenty of time remaining in the day for SDO to monitor activity on the sun. The observatory won't miss much even with Earth occasionally getting in the way. The ongoing eclipse season will end on Sept. 26th. Between now and then, stay tuned for some rare blackouts..." [link to www.spaceweather.com]

Starry Night says the 29th will be the last day. Let's see which is correct.

How up-to-date are your orbital elements for SDO?

dmay day may day doom tard akllert

I updated them the day I made the video, and just now. SDO is on the daily updates from Starry Night so all I have to do is save the old file then download the new one. I have to manually input the Stereo ones and Horizon is still giving this for SOHO "No ephemeris for target "SOHO Spacecraft" after A.D. 2012-JAN-30 23:51:06.1847 CT". They still say the same for the L1 point too, "Cannot currently output osculating elements of Lagrange points (TEMPORARY)." Temporary, is rather long for some I suppose...

I'm still showing Sept 29th on SDO.

Huh, that's an interesting discrepancy. Could you post the TLE that starry night is giving you for SDO?

Check this out!


[link to www.popsci.com]

This is the old one; Created Monday, September 3, 2012 3:56 PM,
SDO
1 36395U 10005A 12245.43732072 -.00000085 00000-0 10000-3 0 5651
2 36395 27.8278 172.6240 0002044 315.2578 268.4897 1.00269098 9553
This is the one from today;
SDO
1 36395U 10005A 12248.47618310 -.00000069 00000-0 10000-3 0 5670
2 36395 27.8275 172.5676 0001935 309.0857 291.6722 1.00268994 9583

Those are indeed up-to-date. I also concur with your analysis; I took a look in ORSA and both my own personal TLE for SDO as well as the official orbit show it continuing to be eclipsed by the earth through the 29th. Either spaceweather.com is using badly out of date TLE's (my own personal TLE needs a bit of refreshing with fresh data, but it's still close enough to be in agreement with the official orbit) or they just made a typo. I would bet good money that come the 27th, 28th, and 29th we'll still see it being eclipsed. I'll try to refresh my personal orbital elements with some fresh data in the next couple weeks if I can. Quite an interesting catch TBar. Here's my personal TLE made using my scope. It's a couple months old now, but still good enough to tell that it should still be eclipsed on the 29th.
Astromut's SDO

1 12345U 000000 12181.16007772 0.00000000 00000-0 10000-3 0 05

2 12345 27.7879 173.7858 0001812 300.9314 118.8347 1.00272531 01

Well, I thought it was a typo, until I saw this; Fall Eclipse Season has Begun [link to sdoisgo.blogspot.com]

"(just in time for our next maneuver)." Well, if you move the Satellite it will change things. But, it sounds like the maneuver will come after the 26th.



Last Edited by TBar1984 on 09/06/2012 09:47 PM

The way they worded it does sound that way, but maybe the maneuver is in fact on the 26th. That would certainly explain it, otherwise...

Now I definitely want to track it before and after if I can and "see" the maneuver.

They usually just rotate the orientation, not change the orbit. So, it's still strange...to me. I found the GOES orbits here, [link to www.noaasis.noaa.gov] Now I'm looking at other orbits.

Well I'd be really surprised if it didn't eclipse on the 27th etc. Which, if it does, count on some tard to claim earth's orbit is wrong cause NASA said the 26th would be the last day. They do have to do the occasional maneuver to keep SDO in its orbital slot to compensate for gravitational forces from the moon, etc, so maybe that's it.

I am not a friend of Astro, but in germany, you learn in school how to calculate the trajectory of a satelite, it isnt that hard. physics 10th class.

It may not be that hard to you and me, but it's beyond the grasp of idiots like the ones you find here and on youtube who claim NASA lies about the orbit of SDO and it's really "Nibiru" covering the sun. Out of curiosity, do they teach how to calculate the orbit from a set of astrometric observations (data reduction) or do they just teach how to do calculations from the orbital elements of the satellite? Either way, it's more than they teach in high school physics over here in the US (the only thing they taught here were some basics on conic sections and escape velocity).

Last Edited by Astromut on 09/07/2012 09:44 AM