The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica | |
Antarctican
(OP) User ID: 23386311 New Zealand 09/12/2012 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If another group decides to attack this colony, how does the colony defend itself? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20182567 With whatever mean our scientists and civilians can come up with. Technology will not be suppressed. Last Edited by Antarctican on 09/12/2012 12:44 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14090794 United States 09/12/2012 12:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When addressing infrastructural design, the first question you have to ask is whether it's centralized or modular. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14090794 Modular makes sense mostly for reasons of redundancy in the event of failure, so an ideal design would feature 1-4 person independent habitations complete with the requirements to sustain those needs that are deemed necessary for the success of the venture. Modular. Absolutely. Have you found any viable pre-existing designs for modular habitation that can survive the climate and provide food and water? |
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Antarctican
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Antarctican
(OP) User ID: 23386311 New Zealand 09/12/2012 12:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If another group decides to attack this colony, how does the colony defend itself? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20182567 With whatever mean our scientists and civilians can come up with. Technology will not be suppressed. Sound cannons. Should wonders in the cool, thin air. IONIZED AIR sound cannons. |
Antarctican
(OP) User ID: 23386311 New Zealand 09/12/2012 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Someone like you would be very valuable to have as part of the infrastructure team. Last Edited by Antarctican on 09/12/2012 12:46 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14090794 United States 09/12/2012 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In order to do this, we'd have to be talking about some serious power generation capacity to support the data infrastructure to both maintain and distribute the accumulated scientific and general knowledge base of mankind. |
Antarctican
(OP) User ID: 23386311 New Zealand 09/12/2012 12:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When addressing infrastructural design, the first question you have to ask is whether it's centralized or modular. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14090794 Modular makes sense mostly for reasons of redundancy in the event of failure, so an ideal design would feature 1-4 person independent habitations complete with the requirements to sustain those needs that are deemed necessary for the success of the venture. Modular. Absolutely. Have you found any viable pre-existing designs for modular habitation that can survive the climate and provide food and water? We would build under the ice or into the land, and let the climate rage on above us. I suggested an igloo type design in my OP |
Antarctican
(OP) User ID: 23386311 New Zealand 09/12/2012 12:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In order to do this, we'd have to be talking about some serious power generation capacity to support the data infrastructure to both maintain and distribute the accumulated scientific and general knowledge base of mankind. Are you familiar with quantum based systems? |
High Times
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Kirk
User ID: 10818676 United States 09/12/2012 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can't just ferry people to a remote desolate area without supplies first. Quoting: CalmShock Probably not many trees to build cabins with and tents are cool when you're camping in the summer, but I don't think they provide much when it comes to permanent shelter from the cold. Heat is going to be a big issue... What sort of materials should be ferried over? Clay is abundant, cheap, malleable and would be good insulation against the cold, retaining interior heat. What sort of power generators will we be using? Food might be an issue as well although I'm sure we could survive on penguins, at least until we can build a bio-dome agricultural building. Once again, this is not the 1800s. We will not be in log cabins, or be using dung as insulation. Solar, wind and temperature differential power generation would be used with ease. (magnetically levitated bearings, no bearings to freeze) Food from aquaculture as stated before. Solar -- hmmmmm. Pretty long night in winter. Temperature differential -- and the source of heat is? Wind -- Below minus 40 metals change, get brittle, etc. Government is a body largely ungoverned. |
balthuuu
User ID: 14434601 Finland 09/12/2012 12:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see the shills/self-proclaimed know-it-alls are busy in this thread. Interesting idea. I already live in cold ass country myself so I would not see the temperature as a big problem. The real problem is the government. I'm sure it has the whole continent under the radar 24/7. Love is not the game, life is. - When we wake up in this "reality" every morning, we are actually falling asleep, because only in our dreams we are truly awake. - We are not our body, nor our mind. We are not the voice in our body, nor our head. We are the the here and now, experiencing without any input from either of the mentioned above. - It's not about others forgiving you, but whether you can forgive yourself. - It doesn't take much energy to make the wrong decision. But to make the right one, you have to put every fiber of your being to it. - I know i have a lot to work on. But knowing that there's no hairy ass man in the clouds to judge me when I have little bit of fun on the expense of someone elses ignorance, makes life a whole lot easier. |
Uncle Samurai
User ID: 18324994 United States 09/12/2012 12:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know HOW we get the internet, what i mean is HOW you gonna run a backbone across the frozen ocean. Where will the initial source come from? With the internet, you dont need to actually "produce" goods. You can make a living in the online realm. (artists, developers, hell! call centers) We just need a way to get stuff to the continent from other places. I see what the world don't show me. [link to db.tt] |
High Times
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14090794 United States 09/12/2012 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In order to do this, we'd have to be talking about some serious power generation capacity to support the data infrastructure to both maintain and distribute the accumulated scientific and general knowledge base of mankind. Are you familiar with quantum based systems? To a certain extent. Cataloguing basically THE INTERNET into quantum datasets would be a pretty intensive process. How much data and what types were you thinking for the initial library system? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14090794 United States 09/12/2012 12:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i know HOW we get the internet, what i mean is HOW you gonna run a backbone across the frozen ocean. Where will the initial source come from? Quoting: Uncle Samurai With the internet, you dont need to actually "produce" goods. You can make a living in the online realm. (artists, developers, hell! call centers) We just need a way to get stuff to the continent from other places. Seems that satellite uplink would be a better way to do it than intercontinental fiber. At least initially. |
High Times
User ID: 23631075 Australia 09/12/2012 12:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In order to do this, we'd have to be talking about some serious power generation capacity to support the data infrastructure to both maintain and distribute the accumulated scientific and general knowledge base of mankind. Are you familiar with quantum based systems? To a certain extent. Cataloguing basically THE INTERNET into quantum datasets would be a pretty intensive process. How much data and what types were you thinking for the initial library system? Good luck with that mean while the mainstream world can manage to upgrade to above 30 bit Ip's Vide Et Fortitudine |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21836127 American Samoa 09/12/2012 01:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love this concept! My only concern would be the implicit degradation of the existing natural environment. This could be mitigated through proper planning, but it's a fact, everywhere people go, the rest of the life forms suffer. I would, however, enjoy contributing my skills to this endeavor. I am a CAD specialist and have spent the past few years focused on automating mapping systems. If you'd like my help in generating some conceptual drawings and maps, please respond. I have young children, so I cannot be a part of this expedition, but I'd love to help out. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23548963 United States 09/12/2012 01:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Awwww... I would Love to... lots of practical life skills, but long in the tooth and close to crippled! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23548963 <snipped> Your wisdom would be most welcome when planning, and once the able bodied have done the settlement you could join. <snipped> Love the thought of it but, realistically, with some of the tech you described in the other thread... most of my ideas or even the skills I have, would likely be obsolete. Who needs to 'can' produce when you can grow fresh year round, Any plant... not limited by the usual "zone" requirements, etc.? Does the tech you have available allow this & can it be produced without interference prior to departure? I can't help but wonder how much resistance this might encounter too. Would you teach the 'settlers' protective energy techniques and what kind of 'aptitude' for it does it take (or can anyone do it quickly and easily)? And... a suggestion... allow some of the positive/negative exchange. Someone poking sharp sticks at the ideas presented can actually be a good tool if viewed dispassionately. It can highlight weak areas that need to be reviewed and addressed... jmho. |
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READY SET GO!
User ID: 8640456 United States 09/12/2012 01:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pay attention. No one under 50 is allowed. OP is running the show. If you show any moral or personality faults as interpreted by OP you're gonna be run outta town. Sounds to me like he is setting up a dictatorship. What is your definition of freedom. This isn't mine. Acts 3:21 |
Antarctican
(OP) User ID: 23386311 New Zealand 09/12/2012 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pay attention. No one under 50 is allowed. OP is running the show. If you show any moral or personality faults as interpreted by OP you're gonna be run outta town. Sounds to me like he is setting up a dictatorship. What is your definition of freedom. This isn't mine. Quoting: READY SET GO! As a descendant of Antarctica, I will be personally administering and organizing the initial settlement. Last Edited by Antarctican on 09/12/2012 01:22 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1350611 United States 09/12/2012 01:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unless a pole shift is occurring, and it completely changes the relative position of Antarctica to the Sun. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1350611 How are you going to address the half year cycle of Night and Day? LEDs that are solar wavelength, an Air Conditioning/Heating Systems. What do you suggest that people do during the 6months of darkness? And how do they sleep during the 6months of daylight? |
Antarctican
(OP) User ID: 23386311 New Zealand 09/12/2012 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Unless a pole shift is occurring, and it completely changes the relative position of Antarctica to the Sun. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1350611 How are you going to address the half year cycle of Night and Day? LEDs that are solar wavelength, an Air Conditioning/Heating Systems. What do you suggest that people do during the 6months of darkness? And how do they sleep during the 6months of daylight? The same thing you would do. Turn on a light if its dark, close shutters if its light. It would be very similar to space travel. Last Edited by Antarctican on 09/12/2012 01:22 AM |
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Antarctican
(OP) User ID: 23386311 New Zealand 09/12/2012 01:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People survive in similar temperatures where it gets to -40 degrees in Northern Canada and parts of Europe. Surely, we can learn from them and have the temperature issue not pose much of a problem. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17002335 If we can get to the moon and have stations in space, This should be no issue. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19099505 United States 09/12/2012 01:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pay attention. No one under 50 is allowed. OP is running the show. If you show any moral or personality faults as interpreted by OP you're gonna be run outta town. Sounds to me like he is setting up a dictatorship. What is your definition of freedom. This isn't mine. Quoting: READY SET GO! As a descendant of Antarctica, I will be personally administering and organizing the initial settlement. People survive in similar temperatures where it gets to -40 degrees in Northern Canada and parts of Europe. Surely, we can learn from them and have the temperature issue not pose much of a problem. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17002335 If we can get to the moon and have stations in space, This should be no issue. "we"huh? lol. |