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The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica

 
Anonymous Coward
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09/12/2012 02:05 AM
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You would need the internets just to avoid being killed I think. Constant connection to the outside world can keep the jackboots away. I fear what the powers would do to an isolated
"illegal" colony.

If this ever gets off the ground at all people would swarm to it. Humanity hungers for a frontier and existing states/countries don't count. Sorry Alaska!
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i could sort of see it working..
would be cool if it did happen
Antarctican  (OP)

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How do you prevent TPTB from collecting taxes?
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We will simply not use currency.
Calories would be the form of exchange. Work for work.
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09/12/2012 02:33 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
How many people would you need to make the colony functional?
How many people would be required to keep the gene pool clean of incest?
What area would you colonize that can provide the basic materials needed for survival in such a desolate area?
Would there be doctors? Schools? Jails?
 Quoting: CalmShock


Why freeze your ass off?.. Buy an Island ..near enough to get supplies.. now make your colony...
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How many people would you need to make the colony functional?
How many people would be required to keep the gene pool clean of incest?
What area would you colonize that can provide the basic materials needed for survival in such a desolate area?
Would there be doctors? Schools? Jails?
 Quoting: CalmShock


Why freeze your ass off?.. Buy an Island ..near enough to get supplies.. now make your colony...
 Quoting: Butt Pincher



That costs millions, and you are still subject to 3rd world pirate governments and their laws.

There is a whole unexplored CONTINENT. Parts of it are UNCLAIMED.
Show me another region on the planet like that?

I for one am interested in being one of the first settle
rs.
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09/12/2012 03:08 AM
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Would there be leadership? If so...how would it be structured?
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09/12/2012 03:22 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
greening? so once the temperature goes up by 50C, some plants might grow???
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Would there be leadership? If so...how would it be structured?
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City state non-federal modular leadership.
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greening? so once the temperature goes up by 50C, some plants might grow???
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What you know about Antarctica is wrong.
There are geothermal oasis.


Last Edited by Antarctican on 09/12/2012 03:35 AM
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09/12/2012 03:38 AM
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Awesome idea. Ile be keen to help ^.^

Plus even trying this is a great way to destroy the broken paradigms and systems that are forced upon us. No money I like. 3D Printers. Free energy. Anti gravity unsuppressed in such a way that trumps TPTB.

However I do feel they would attempt a co-op of anything serious or derail it somehow. Hopefully that would just assist in their exposure faster.
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09/12/2012 03:49 AM
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Your ideas are interesting, can you please tell us about the claims on antarctica, and also if there are claims pending and by whom and how legally binding the claims are and most importantly what the inner earth civilisation thinks of any claims?
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09/12/2012 03:52 AM
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How do you prevent TPTB from collecting taxes?
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We will simply not use currency.
Calories would be the form of exchange. Work for work.

 Quoting: Antarctican


Care to explain little details about the new form of exchange?
Even when one is not doing anything, the person burns lot of kilo calories. Who will pay people for not doing anything?
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How do you prevent TPTB from collecting taxes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1350611

We will simply not use currency.
Calories would be the form of exchange. Work for work.

 Quoting: Antarctican


Care to explain little details about the new form of exchange?
Even when one is not doing anything, the person burns lot of kilo calories. Who will pay people for not doing anything?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1251597


You would be burning calories produced by food you purchased with calories you earned at your job.

There would be no "profit" to speak of. This would not be a capitalist system.
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09/12/2012 04:02 AM
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How do you prevent TPTB from collecting taxes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1350611

We will simply not use currency.
Calories would be the form of exchange. Work for work.

 Quoting: Antarctican


Care to explain little details about the new form of exchange?
Even when one is not doing anything, the person burns lot of kilo calories. Who will pay people for not doing anything?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1251597


You would be burning calories produced by food you purchased with calories you earned at your job.

There would be no "profit" to speak of. This would not be a capitalist system.

 Quoting: Antarctican



Don't you think this is going to be open to abuse somehow?
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09/12/2012 04:07 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
no matter which part of this planet's surface we go to TPTB will follow

we need to make a space ship and leave
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LMAO, It's so funny because I see the seriousness in your comment lol!
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09/12/2012 04:23 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
You guys realize we can live under the ice right? its a badass insulator.
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Yes, as stated in the OP

 Quoting: Antarctican

humans need sunlight. any humanoid that prefers to be disconnected of their local star, is very strange, to say the least.
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09/12/2012 04:27 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
That costs millions, and you are still subject to 3rd world pirate governments and their laws.

There is a whole unexplored CONTINENT. Parts of it are UNCLAIMED.
Show me another region on the planet like that?
 Quoting: Antarctican

why do you care about existant governments, if you are able to build technology that is far beyond most governments' reach?
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09/12/2012 04:28 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
and about $1,700 to my name.
 Quoting: Erectus 13420334

your personal transport to the antarctic, by conventional means, would cost at least five times that...


op, i assume you do realise what such an endeavour would cost, in monetary terms, if one needs to set up such colony with available means. i also assume you realise what it could cost with the technology you either purport or actually have in reach.

why choose for traditional techniques in building the colony? it's not a clever road to success, when other paths are available to you...


another thing: the whole logistics of antarctica is done by Raytheon (has been for half a century). they have the neatest and latest of 'conventional' military technology to play with, and virtually unlimited resources. if the need should arrive, how would you defend against intrusions by them?
Antarctican  (OP)

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09/12/2012 04:45 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
You guys realize we can live under the ice right? its a badass insulator.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22293617


Yes, as stated in the OP

 Quoting: Antarctican

humans need sunlight. any humanoid that prefers to be disconnected of their local star, is very strange, to say the least.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15782258


That's like saying "Its un natural to wear glasses to correct vision"

Don't be Amish, embrace technology and open your mind.

LEDs can output the exact same spectrum. NASA uses them to grow plants in space.
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09/12/2012 04:53 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
Your utopia
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Your utopia would be surveilanced regularly by tptb drones satelites etc would you be happy with that? Also please reply about the claims cheers
Antarctican  (OP)

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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
Your utopia would be surveilanced regularly by tptb drones satelites etc would you be happy with that? Also please reply about the claims cheers
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Who cares as long as they do not threaten us, and why would they?

Drones are easily disabled, just ask Iran. They are nothing more than big remote control cars that fly.

Also, we would be under the ice. Hard to do visual surveillance.

Regarding claims, there are still unclaimed parts of Antarctica.


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deano
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09/12/2012 05:23 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
What do you mean by under the ice
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09/12/2012 05:24 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
ohello Shadrach
No, this is Patrick!
deano
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
Also why has nobody laid claim to the ' unclaimed areas
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09/12/2012 06:00 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
Awesome idea op.

Since it seems like you're still in the thought-experiment stage, maybe you should start a website to centralize discussion?

Regarding energy production, tesla already solved that issue. Get a cable strung between two high points / cable raised on a weather balloon and you're halfway there.
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
The antarctic treaty wiki says

What the treaty does affect are new claims:

No activities occurring after 1961 can be the basis of a territorial claim. No new claim can be made. No claim can be enlarged.

I think this basically says noone shall add a colony where they feel like it, although the treaty sounds a little hmmm is the word ambiguous?
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09/12/2012 06:12 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
If no one can claim, no one can counter claim.

Why try to appease the status quo? If enough people go and start a settlement that works, more will follow and there would be no need for claiming. It would simply be.

No?
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09/12/2012 08:42 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
How do you prevent TPTB from collecting taxes?

^
How do you prevent tptb from sending in a strike team to kill everyone?


For unknown reasons, satellite pictures of most of Antarctica is censored and unavailable. It's probably a pretty important place and tptb would probably prevent people from going there.
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09/12/2012 11:09 AM
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Re: The Antarctic Settlement Project: Settle a greening Antarctica
How do you prevent TPTB from collecting taxes?

^
How do you prevent tptb from sending in a strike team to kill everyone?


For unknown reasons, satellite pictures of most of Antarctica is censored and unavailable. It's probably a pretty important place and tptb would probably prevent people from going there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21641444


good points





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