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(OP) User ID: 1248699 United States 09/12/2012 04:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In one of the listed "links", there's a letter that denies and refute's the claim that they removed a window and installed a balcony from the 91st floor of Tower 1 in the WTC while guests were in residence at World Views, the internationally acclaimed studio program. Before taking this letter at face value, consider this: Who would do such a thing to trick people after such a horrific event? My worst enemy wouldn't dare do such a thing. Also, as I said, I have the book, and I see the photographs. As they suggest in the letter in one of the links, I will, in fact, have the photographs professionally examined. Before you decide, you really need to see the book. I will let you know what the digital professional examiner's verdict is on this is. Should be interesting. Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders. |
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(OP) User ID: 1248699 United States 09/12/2012 04:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | don't you think if somebody were trying to make a coverup for the WTC they wouldn't have been stupid enough to publish it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6991341 I hear ya. One would think. Here's why I give it credibility for just the valid reason you have for doubting it... I've tracked these types of things for more years than I'd care to admit. As odd as it seems, the perpetrators often like to leave "clues"....like the Zodiac Killer's poems, almost taunting investigators, or a murderer leaving a white glove, or Jack the Ripper leaving geometric patterns "etched" into his victims. Whether this is for bragging rights, or for posterity so their involvement won't be forgotten to future generations, is anyone's guess. But numeric symbolism (particularly calendar dates) and "calling cards" are common denominators. Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6991341 United States 09/12/2012 05:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | from [link to www.gelitin.net] "Dear Colleagues, The purpose of this letter is to categorically deny and refute Gelatin’s (the Austrian art collective) preposterous claim to have removed a window and installed a balcony from the 91st floor of Tower 1 in the World Trade Center, while guests and in residence at World Views, LMCC’s internationally acclaimed studio program. No one in his or her sane mind would believe such an account! Talk about this action has recently taken on plague proportion in the sensation driven and rumor hungry art world. Rumors and claims that are concocted by no one else but Gelatin’s adolescent-like members. Anyone that is familiar with their work knows very well that these boys thrive on shock value and attention. They are pranksters in real life and often aim to introduce an element of doubt and disbelief in their art; they are in fact masters of deception and their real art for the program at the World Trade Center has been to fabricate this action and promulgate it as an urban myth. That is the genius in this work. They have been successful in addressing the mythological and iconic dimensions of America, New York and the Twin Towers and to use the system of the art world, a system they love to critique as a vehicle for the diffusion of their commentary. And because they are boys and like to play, their project pays homage to the many daredevils that have either failed or succeeded to tame this awesome structure and all that it represents. Again, I would like to reiterate to whomever is concerned that the above-mentioned action never took place but was simply a figment of Gelatin’s and our collective imagination. Any visual material that Gelatin claims as documentation of their action is digitally manufactured. I urge professionals to test the authenticity of any document presented to them when it comes to this particular project. Thank you for your understanding; I hope that this letter settles this matter once and for all. Sincerely, Moukhtar Kocache Director of Visual Art & Media" |
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(OP) User ID: 1248699 United States 09/12/2012 06:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | from [link to www.gelitin.net] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6991341 "Dear Colleagues, The purpose of this letter is to categorically deny and refute Gelatin’s (the Austrian art collective) preposterous claim to have removed a window and installed a balcony from the 91st floor of Tower 1 in the World Trade Center, while guests and in residence at World Views, LMCC’s internationally acclaimed studio program. No one in his or her sane mind would believe such an account! Talk about this action has recently taken on plague proportion in the sensation driven and rumor hungry art world. Rumors and claims that are concocted by no one else but Gelatin’s adolescent-like members. Anyone that is familiar with their work knows very well that these boys thrive on shock value and attention. They are pranksters in real life and often aim to introduce an element of doubt and disbelief in their art; they are in fact masters of deception and their real art for the program at the World Trade Center has been to fabricate this action and promulgate it as an urban myth. That is the genius in this work. They have been successful in addressing the mythological and iconic dimensions of America, New York and the Twin Towers and to use the system of the art world, a system they love to critique as a vehicle for the diffusion of their commentary. And because they are boys and like to play, their project pays homage to the many daredevils that have either failed or succeeded to tame this awesome structure and all that it represents. Again, I would like to reiterate to whomever is concerned that the above-mentioned action never took place but was simply a figment of Gelatin’s and our collective imagination. Any visual material that Gelatin claims as documentation of their action is digitally manufactured. I urge professionals to test the authenticity of any document presented to them when it comes to this particular project. Thank you for your understanding; I hope that this letter settles this matter once and for all. Sincerely, Moukhtar Kocache Director of Visual Art & Media" Yes, I addressed that in my post, a few above this one. Check it out. I'm not arguing that it's 100% nefarious, but it sure seems like it for all the reasons I mentioned. And I think it would be a mistake to read the "letter", and forget all about Gelatin The B-Thing. I think it's integral to 9/11. Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through Van Allen's Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders. |
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User ID: 1282037 Denmark 09/10/2013 06:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "I want to call your attention to the artist groups (E-TEAM and GELATIN) who were selected to be part of the Lower Manhattan Cultural Council (LMCC) World Views / Studioscape (slow link) programs that allowed them and other artists to work and live in the WTC in the four years leading up to 9/11 on different floors, including 91 and 92 of the North Tower. Additionally, they were given seven day a week construction access to the WTC that allowed them to freely move all sorts of materials in and out of the complex." [link to www.markdotzler.com] |
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User ID: 1282037 Denmark 09/10/2013 07:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The BB 18 written on the boxes could refer to: [link to www.edwardssupply.com] or as suggested in the original link [link to www.littelfuse.com] |
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User ID: 58925153 United States 06/06/2014 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The planes where hijacked remotely via computers and coordinates entered in so they would hit exactly on target. When they hit, you can see in the video all of the jet fuel igniting and burning up on contact. There was no jet fuel leaking down the elevator shafts or burning the floors causing the steel to sag and pancake down. That is total bullshit. Those muslim terrorists they showed pictures of who were supposedly on those planes was total bullshit. 3 or 4 of them are actually alive and were bugging out when they saw their identities being plastered all over the world as hijackers. Also gotta love how out of all the explosions and towers collapsing, they find Mohammad Attas passport on the ground below in almost pristine condition. There was one floor in one of the towers that was re-enforced to hold extra weight for soon to be installed UPS battery backup racks. These racks were delivered and set up but never actually wired and turned on or tested. theory is the thermate or other explosives were smuggled in that way and kept there. The plane directly hit that floor. The buildings were in dire need of costly repairs because they affixed the aluminum exterior directly to the steel beams. This causes advanced corrosion especially with the salty humid air from the river down there. There was also the costly removal of asbestos that lined these buildings. When they were built asbestos wasnt banned yet and was used to fireproof them. During the month of March and April 2001 a friend of mine and me would go to the WTC and eat lunch or dinner next door from the towers on Saturdays or Sundays. Well he wanted to go up to the observation deck one saturday after dinner so we did. we first went to the top floor outside and hung out then went to the floor below where the indoor observation area is. I remember thinking to myself, stay here and enjoy the view for as long as you can, soak it all in because this is the last time you will be able to see this beautiful view ever again. They had these weird middle eastern guys working there aged in their 20s. They were dressed in like bell hop kind of uniforms and they would guide the tourists and there was an area where they would take pictures of everyone entering the area in front of this painted background. These guys were real dirtbags who havnt showered, they spoke with a hebrew accent they looked like turds dressed in nice clean uniforms. 2 of them would stay in the elevator and operate it, when we were leaving we all crammed into the elevator and as we were going down one of the dudes in the uniform hit the emergency stop button and the lights turned off and the alarm bell rang and the elevator stopped. then he turned it back on and him and his co worker laughed and said you guys got scared didnt you? hahahaha and then all of the tourists with us in the elevator let out this really nervous eerie laugh and My friend turned to me and said yo these guys are out of their fucking minds. there's something shady about them. I always thought that was really weird and wondered who hired them and what were they really up to. My friend was there on 9/11/01 for a job interview in the morning. The guy interviewing him was running late my friend was killing time taking pics of the WTC with his digicamera that he always carries with him in his bag. He was standing around there waiting there when the planes hit. The jumpers were real, the planes were real commercial boeings. There are many levels of people who were in the know who participated in it, government wise as well as silverstein and the other zionists and only they know the real truth. People like us will never know. Last Edited by Messino422 on 06/06/2014 11:08 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 62825590 United States 12/18/2014 01:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in NYC and went to ground zero the day after on 9/12/2001. I can tell you that thermite was definitely used when I saw evidence of it everywhere. The way steel beams were bent like horseshoes etc. They even did analysis on the debris found there and found thermate nano particles. Quoting: Messino422 The planes where hijacked remotely via computers and coordinates entered in so they would hit exactly on target. When they hit, you can see in the video all of the jet fuel igniting and burning up on contact. There was no jet fuel leaking down the elevator shafts or burning the floors causing the steel to sag and pancake down. That is total bullshit. Those muslim terrorists they showed pictures of who were supposedly on those planes was total bullshit. 3 or 4 of them are actually alive and were bugging out when they saw their identities being plastered all over the world as hijackers. Also gotta love how out of all the explosions and towers collapsing, they find Mohammad Attas passport on the ground below in almost pristine condition. There was one floor in one of the towers that was re-enforced to hold extra weight for soon to be installed UPS battery backup racks. These racks were delivered and set up but never actually wired and turned on or tested. theory is the thermate or other explosives were smuggled in that way and kept there. The plane directly hit that floor. The buildings were in dire need of costly repairs because they affixed the aluminum exterior directly to the steel beams. This causes advanced corrosion especially with the salty humid air from the river down there. There was also the costly removal of asbestos that lined these buildings. When they were built asbestos wasnt banned yet and was used to fireproof them. During the month of March and April 2001 a friend of mine and me would go to the WTC and eat lunch or dinner next door from the towers on Saturdays or Sundays. Well he wanted to go up to the observation deck one saturday after dinner so we did. we first went to the top floor outside and hung out then went to the floor below where the indoor observation area is. I remember thinking to myself, stay here and enjoy the view for as long as you can, soak it all in because this is the last time you will be able to see this beautiful view ever again. They had these weird middle eastern guys working there aged in their 20s. They were dressed in like bell hop kind of uniforms and they would guide the tourists and there was an area where they would take pictures of everyone entering the area in front of this painted background. These guys were real dirtbags who havnt showered, they spoke with a hebrew accent they looked like turds dressed in nice clean uniforms. 2 of them would stay in the elevator and operate it, when we were leaving we all crammed into the elevator and as we were going down one of the dudes in the uniform hit the emergency stop button and the lights turned off and the alarm bell rang and the elevator stopped. then he turned it back on and him and his co worker laughed and said you guys got scared didnt you? hahahaha and then all of the tourists with us in the elevator let out this really nervous eerie laugh and My friend turned to me and said yo these guys are out of their fucking minds. there's something shady about them. I always thought that was really weird and wondered who hired them and what were they really up to. My friend was there on 9/11/01 for a job interview in the morning. The guy interviewing him was running late my friend was killing time taking pics of the WTC with his digicamera that he always carries with him in his bag. He was standing around there waiting there when the planes hit. The jumpers were real, the planes were real commercial boeings. There are many levels of people who were in the know who participated in it, government wise as well as silverstein and the other zionists and only they know the real truth. People like us will never know. Question for you Messino....while at ground zero..did you see ANY evidence of the normal debris that should have been everywhere from inside the towers...i.e. wiring, duct work, plumbing, office items...chairs, desks, file cabinets, etc. etc. ? This should have been everywhere! Also, add up the 47 core steel columns of both buildings and it comes to almost 21 MILES of steel columns at ground zero. Any indication of all that steel....and that is JUST from the core columns.... That pile should have been massive! If you believe the official story, you can't compare it to a normal building implosion, since they say it simply collapsed, and when they implode a normal building, all the internals of the building are removed first, and then detonated. Can't compare the two. |
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User ID: 11589018 United States 12/21/2014 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I live in NYC and went to ground zero the day after on 9/12/2001. I can tell you that thermite was definitely used when I saw evidence of it everywhere. The way steel beams were bent like horseshoes etc. They even did analysis on the debris found there and found thermate nano particles. Quoting: Messino422 The planes where hijacked remotely via computers and coordinates entered in so they would hit exactly on target. When they hit, you can see in the video all of the jet fuel igniting and burning up on contact. There was no jet fuel leaking down the elevator shafts or burning the floors causing the steel to sag and pancake down. That is total bullshit. Those muslim terrorists they showed pictures of who were supposedly on those planes was total bullshit. 3 or 4 of them are actually alive and were bugging out when they saw their identities being plastered all over the world as hijackers. Also gotta love how out of all the explosions and towers collapsing, they find Mohammad Attas passport on the ground below in almost pristine condition. There was one floor in one of the towers that was re-enforced to hold extra weight for soon to be installed UPS battery backup racks. These racks were delivered and set up but never actually wired and turned on or tested. theory is the thermate or other explosives were smuggled in that way and kept there. The plane directly hit that floor. The buildings were in dire need of costly repairs because they affixed the aluminum exterior directly to the steel beams. This causes advanced corrosion especially with the salty humid air from the river down there. There was also the costly removal of asbestos that lined these buildings. When they were built asbestos wasnt banned yet and was used to fireproof them. During the month of March and April 2001 a friend of mine and me would go to the WTC and eat lunch or dinner next door from the towers on Saturdays or Sundays. Well he wanted to go up to the observation deck one saturday after dinner so we did. we first went to the top floor outside and hung out then went to the floor below where the indoor observation area is. I remember thinking to myself, stay here and enjoy the view for as long as you can, soak it all in because this is the last time you will be able to see this beautiful view ever again. They had these weird middle eastern guys working there aged in their 20s. They were dressed in like bell hop kind of uniforms and they would guide the tourists and there was an area where they would take pictures of everyone entering the area in front of this painted background. These guys were real dirtbags who havnt showered, they spoke with a hebrew accent they looked like turds dressed in nice clean uniforms. 2 of them would stay in the elevator and operate it, when we were leaving we all crammed into the elevator and as we were going down one of the dudes in the uniform hit the emergency stop button and the lights turned off and the alarm bell rang and the elevator stopped. then he turned it back on and him and his co worker laughed and said you guys got scared didnt you? hahahaha and then all of the tourists with us in the elevator let out this really nervous eerie laugh and My friend turned to me and said yo these guys are out of their fucking minds. there's something shady about them. I always thought that was really weird and wondered who hired them and what were they really up to. My friend was there on 9/11/01 for a job interview in the morning. The guy interviewing him was running late my friend was killing time taking pics of the WTC with his digicamera that he always carries with him in his bag. He was standing around there waiting there when the planes hit. The jumpers were real, the planes were real commercial boeings. There are many levels of people who were in the know who participated in it, government wise as well as silverstein and the other zionists and only they know the real truth. People like us will never know. Well said. I can verify that what you say is true (except Mohammed Atta's passport being found. It was Satam al Saqami's passport that was found a few blocks from Ground Zero. Equally implausible). Last Edited by Mark Spitz, Phelps Swallows on 12/21/2014 10:45 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 65868182 United States 09/21/2015 05:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | from [link to www.gelitin.net] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6991341 "Dear Colleagues, The purpose of this letter is to categorically deny and refute Gelatin’s (the Austrian art collective) preposterous claim to have removed a window and installed a balcony from the 91st floor of Tower 1 in the World Trade Center, while guests and in residence at World Views, LMCC’s internationally acclaimed studio program. No one in his or her sane mind would believe such an account! Talk about this action has recently taken on plague proportion in the sensation driven and rumor hungry art world. Rumors and claims that are concocted by no one else but Gelatin’s adolescent-like members. Anyone that is familiar with their work knows very well that these boys thrive on shock value and attention. They are pranksters in real life and often aim to introduce an element of doubt and disbelief in their art; they are in fact masters of deception and their real art for the program at the World Trade Center has been to fabricate this action and promulgate it as an urban myth. That is the genius in this work. They have been successful in addressing the mythological and iconic dimensions of America, New York and the Twin Towers and to use the system of the art world, a system they love to critique as a vehicle for the diffusion of their commentary. And because they are boys and like to play, their project pays homage to the many daredevils that have either failed or succeeded to tame this awesome structure and all that it represents. Again, I would like to reiterate to whomever is concerned that the above-mentioned action never took place but was simply a figment of Gelatin’s and our collective imagination. Any visual material that Gelatin claims as documentation of their action is digitally manufactured. I urge professionals to test the authenticity of any document presented to them when it comes to this particular project. Thank you for your understanding; I hope that this letter settles this matter once and for all. Sincerely with love & kisses, Hernan Serfaty Lower Manhattan Cultural Collective Fixed it for ya. |
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TheHolyCrow User ID: 63888975 United States 11/15/2015 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | funny how the 'art students' never show their faces lol. they must be shy Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5505436 Rebekah Roth has a movie clip embedded in one of her recent interviews with SGT REPORT, and several of the actors/artists have clearly visible faces. For those who don't know her, she was an airline employee for 30 years and has written 2 books, "Methodical Illusions" and "Methodical Deceptions". Check out the movie clip and let's see if we can't get these people identified. Hopefully, they won't be bumped off before we can ask them a few questions. And, it is interesting to note, that R.R. Claims that the boxes photographed with the "artists" contain lettering on them that identify the contents as being switches that can be used for explosive demolitions of buildings, produced by an Israeli company, if I am not mistaken. This is BIG NEWS folks !!!!! |
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TruthNow88 User ID: 69148543 Canada 03/01/2016 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bump Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39903149 The rabbit hole has many twists and turns but they all lead back to one common group... I did a more recent and much more detailed thread on this topic in case your interested in learning more. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] |
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