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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11475 United States 01/09/2006 10:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Damn - you're right. I had not thought of that before. So if I think of having a physical relationship with another women - I've sinned! Right - but if I think of having a slave to handle my house while I am at work, I haven't sin because slavery is allowed in the Bible. If I think about pleasuring another human of my same gender in a consental relationahip in the privacy of my home, I've sinned. But if I think about selling my daughter for the money to buy a new car - that's fine, it is in the Bible. Thanks for clearing that up. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11475 United States 01/09/2006 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) or - If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT) or - When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) For some reason I think this is your favorite: "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion." (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB) But I may be wrong and this is your favorite: When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 414 United Kingdom 01/09/2006 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To ONO Old testament [link to www.religioustolerance.org] New testament [link to www.religioustolerance.org] You really should brush up on your bible study |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 414 United Kingdom 01/09/2006 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3663 almost all your threads and replies have some reference to Brokeback Mountain on this forum....why dont you try something else instead of cutting and pasting articles that you obviously have an obcession about. Did someone take you bareback on a mountain? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61427 United States 01/09/2006 11:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dear Dr. Laura: Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other specific laws and how to follow them: 1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? 2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? 3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. 4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians? 5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35: clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? 6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? 7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? 8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die? 9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves? 10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)? I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging. Your devoted fan, |
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Leonord Woo Woo Maltin's User ID: 8824 United States 01/09/2006 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This movie is a direct rip-off of a joke in the "South Park" episode where they have the film festival. The one where Mr Hankey goes all "wizard's apprentice" on the town. Cartman's telling them about how crappy these independent movies are, how they're all about gay cowboys eating pudding and stuff. [link to www.tv.com] Brokeback Mountain just left out the crucial plot point about the pudding becaues Ang Lee didn't want to get sued by the guys that made the $cientologi$t$ turn tail and run. |
twice widowed
User ID: 25918 United States 01/09/2006 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have any of you watched or read Lonesome Dove? Has it ever occured to anyone that Gus and Woodrow were gay or bisexual? Their love for each other came before any women in their lives. Watch the end scene where Woodrow drags Gus' dead remains from Montana to Texas for burial because it was Gus' last wish, risking everything to do it. Now that is love. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 414 United Kingdom 01/09/2006 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even those who have rallied against homosexuals saying how sinful they are and go on Voting Panels to deny them rights like to suck dick...hypocracy indeed...the OP wants some! [link to www.channeloklahoma.com] An executive committee member of the Southern Baptist Convention was arrested on a lewdness charge for propositioning a plainclothes policeman outside a hotel, police said. Lonnie Latham, senior pastor at South Tulsa Baptist Church, was booked into Oklahoma County Jail Tuesday night on a misdemeanor charge of offering to engage in an act of lewdness, police Capt. Jeffrey Becker said. Latham was released on $500 bail Wednesday afternoon. Latham, who has spoken out against homosexuality, asked the officer to join him in his hotel room for oral sex. Latham was arrested and his 2005 Mercedes automobile was impounded, Becker said. |
gsbltd User ID: 61435 United States 01/09/2006 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jeez! Being openly gay, I normally would dive right into a thread like this one... but, you other posters have really shown your stuff on THIS one!! Too bad there aren't more clear-thinking non-judgemental humanistic people in the world such as yourselves [and you KNOW who you ARE!!!]-- |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11475 United States 01/09/2006 12:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't get me wrong - I am judgemental - for example I don't like people who don't know what they are talking about pointing to the Bible as the source of all morality or as the only true basis for public policy. If two (or more) consental adults are having a sexual relations in private and not harming other I don't care. If they are having it out in public in front of my children that is different - no matter the gender of the people involved. |
gsbltd User ID: 61435 United States 01/09/2006 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My final reply here would be 'Amen,' ~~~ but, some crazed christian out there would probably misconstrue it as, 'ahhhh- MEN!' BTW: did you realize that this most common closer to prayer actually has it's roots in the chants of the Priests in ancient Egypt? The prayers of the lower classes [BIG prayers too complicated for their intellect and therefore reserved for the Priests] were really quite simple repetitions of the name of their primary God: AMEN-RA. '...AMEN...AMEN...AMEN...' Very similar to our current-day Muslim practitioners who chant, '...ALLAH...ALLAH...ALLAH.' You 'christians' out there -remember the name of that 'pagan' Egyptian God the next time you say a blessing over your evening meal. Food for thought, folks!! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59297 United States 01/09/2006 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i have not seem the movie, but if the relationship that the two men had was destructive it was only because they were being unfaithful to their spouses. i wonder, how your opinions would change if the story was about two hetersexual married couples and the husband of one relationship was meeting the wife from the other relationship periodically and doing the same thing. the problem in the story is not the homosexual relationship, the problem is the infedility to the other relationship. |
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Woo Woo in law User ID: 8824 United States 01/09/2006 12:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 59297: You've got a good point. I did see the movie, and it struck me how many people these two men hurt with their sneaking around. Of course, one could argue that if they didn't need to sneak around, they wouldn't have been in situations where the would have hurt / betrayed others. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59297 United States 01/09/2006 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i don't know how many movies i've seen that have that same senario. two married heterosexual couples, one person from each relationship realize they are in love with each other and not in love with their spouse. they married/settled for the wrong person. the movie usually ends in tragedy. like "wuthering heights". the denial of your one TRUE love because of society. |
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