M 1 Abrams Tank now Obsolete? | |
an nonymous (OP) User ID: 62141 United States 01/11/2006 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Bullshit!
User ID: 61000 United States 01/11/2006 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get your facts straight. "The super M1 Abrams was built and tested during Desert Storm and is supposed to be the biggest, baddest tank in military warfare." The M1 was designed in the 1970's and first deployed in Europe in the early 1980's. It was designed to try and counter the Russian tank threat. It was first battle tested in Desert Storm where it kicked ASS on anything else. No link, but I understand that some unknown defensive weapon is shooting a pinhole size hole into the Abrams which sets off the hallon (sp) and shuts down the whole system, keeping the oxygen inside the tank from exploding and killing the crew. Second, there is no laser on the earth at this point that could penetrate a couple feet of armor, mostly made up from depleted uranium. Especially one that could be portable. Third, oxygen does not explode. The interior compartment contains normal air anyway. You don't know much about weapons, do you? |
andy thomas User ID: 62157 United States 01/11/2006 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | was there an article in the online army times about an m1 tank which was taken out by some kind of 'rail gun?' a tiny hole in the tank and a little projectile which bounced around all over the crew compartment... luckily none of the crew were injured... it put the tank out of commission if memory serves... i'm not sure though that there has been another intance of this... the army times story was back in probably april or may of 2003... |
an nonymou (OP) User ID: 62141 United States 01/11/2006 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is true that I know nothing about weapons, but I've been sitting around listening to chatter about the holes in the Abrams that no one seems to know what kind of defensive weapon is making the hole. Whatever it is, it pierces the Abrams armour, depleted uranium and all. The hallon (sp) is some kind of agent which is automatically dispursed to keep the air(oxygen) in the tank supporting the crew, but the hallon necessarily shuts down the mechanisms and the Abrams is left dysfunctional. If you don't have the tanks, you don't have ground support for operations. Do you? I don't know and I'm just asking. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 62195 United States 01/11/2006 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Kind of a penny ante add here but Halon removes the burnable air in the environment it is released in. Like in a computer room when it goes off things fly everywhere from the pressure of the release. Prior to it going off everybody has to get out as soon as possible because along with the burnable parts of the air go the breathable parts of the air. Basically it removes the oxygen. After a few minutes you can re-enter the room. If you try to flick your bic it burns really badly, yellow flame, and black smoke. I don't have the link but it has happened before not to long after we started this crap. Possibly after Bush said it was over. I believe it burnt a hole through one side and may have clipped one of the soldiers inside sealing the wound as it went through (caterizing (sp?)) It finally emmbedded itself in the other side of the tank. It seems that the hole was about the size of a pencil. When they examined the hole where the projectile came to rest it was still molten. Not much but is all I know about the subject. |
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an nonymous User ID: 62209 United States 01/12/2006 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Abrams armous is supposed to be a grade up from the British armour. This description is from the "howstuffworks" website: "The M1 is mainly composed of sturdy rolled homogeneous armor (RHA) steel plates, sandwiched around thicker protective material. The core armor is a variation on the British Chobham armor -- an arrangement of metal plates, ceramic blocks and open space. HEAT and Sabot rounds may make it through the outer layer of the armor, but they won't make it all the way into the crew compartment. The ceramic material can absorb a lot of heat, as well as heavy physical blows. The rest of the hot gases or metal pieces spread out in the empty air pockets. Updated M1 tanks have extra layers of steel and depleted uranium that supplement the Chobham-style armor. This combination will hold up to any tank round and most missiles (the powerful Hellfire missile is a notable exception). " No one is suggesting that it is the Hellfire missile which makes the pinhole in the tank armour. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 62281 United States 01/12/2006 08:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tanks may be obsolete but the US government allowed British to offload their big tanks on US soil and do a practice run in North Carolina. All since the Iraq invasion. If there is a defensive weapon, I hope the US military figures it out so we have something to use on tanks rolling around North Carolina. |
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User ID: 579 United Kingdom 01/12/2006 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this is the culprit for the M1 kills [link to www.military.com] it's just got a newer projectile which makes those small holes. And tanks are useless in cities, read your WW2 history. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15610 United States 01/12/2006 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just a guess, halon is used mainly for fire supression, usually compressed in taks and released in the event of a fire. If a projectile pierced the armor and hit any part of the halon system it would release the gas and it's very likely that there is a safeguard that disables the engine in the event of halon system activation. Whether or not this is being done intentionally is another thing. |
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