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Message Subject Attention All Watchers for The Rapture of the Church??
Poster Handle Keep2theCode
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Their(we're) answer comes in 7:9. I believe that's us... the large multitude of &:9-17 who suddenly arrive in heaven after the rapture.

I know a lot of people believe that none of the seals have been opened yet, but I think Jesus began opening them when he entered heaven after his resurrection as the victorious Lamb. After all, there have been more martyrs in the 20th century than all previous combined. I don't know the stats yet for 21st so far.

But even though the rapture is dependent on these 2 full #'s to come in, that doesn't necessarily rule out a specific or special date that God has in mind. He could make those 2 groups of people complete on a random day or during a feast.

Anyway, just some thoughts.abduct
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Quite possible, of course. But I don't think the large crowd is from the church age, for these reasons:

1-- The appearance of something in heaven doesn't necessarily mean it just arrived. The four horses "appear", the souls under the altar "appear", etc. John is simply recording the order in which he sees various things.

2-- The group is described as "from all the nations" and is in contrast to the just-sealed group of 144k from the tribes of Israel, which seems to indicate that it is an all-Gentile group. Yet the church age believers are "a new creation", "neither Jew nor Greek", a third entity made from the other two. If the crowd is all Gentile, then it can't be the church.

3-- The Greek indicates that the group is composed of people who "come out of the Great Tribulation". This raises two points: that though this is only the sixth seal, these people are from the time of the bowl judgments; and the grammatical parsing indicates not time but origination. That is, "These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation". The group is not yet completed, and the time from which they arrive has not yet happened.

Along with the absence of any reference to the ekklesia after the seven letters and until the end of the Tribulation, it seems to me that this all adds up to the church not being on earth when the seals begin to open.
 
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