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Seattle is a very dark, depressed, socially backward city??!!

 
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The Magic Nine Factors That Cause the "Seattle Chill"

Date: Wed Jan 25 15:24:27 2006

CL R&R is divided into two camps: those that have seen the Seattle Chill in action and know it exists, and those who reflexively scream at the first camp to fuck off or move out of town.

The Seattle Chill IS an established sociological phenomenon that has been extensively documented, written about and attracted academic interest. A growing number of research professionals are interested in learning why Seattle is such an angry, unwelcoming, repressed, socially backward little city.

As a personal experiencer and student of the Seattle Chill I believe I have isolated the nine key factors that generate it. Few are unique to Seattle. No single factor, or even two or three together, would affect the culture profoundly. But stir them all together and they have a Chilling effect.

Seattle is the only city on earth where all nine key factors intersect in a perfect Big Bang -- a quintessence of dysfunction. It's like seeing the atom split, a borderline mystic phenomenon, with the results being neighbors who won't talk to you and strangers who tell you to fuck off when you smile at them.

1. TECHNOLOGY. Wired/Internet culture is inherently isolating. People use the anonymity of e-culture to dodge the work of human relationships. Every office knows the downside of substituting email for face-to-face communication. Impose that culture on a highly wired metropolitan area and it's disastrous.

2. DARKNESS. Admittedly a seasonal factor, because the summers are glorious, but Seattle is characterized mainly by endless, gray, wet, dark winters. Nobody feels like connecting when the sun is gone for months. Seasonal affectedness disorder is a known mental condition, and the whole city suffers from it.

3. GEOGRAPHY. Surrounded by water on three sides, the city is difficult to get to. Commute times are longer. Errands take longer. Traffic jams and basic life maintenance tasks snuff out hours that could be used to establish and maintain human relationships. Consequently people do not feel they have the capacity or energy to maintain the ones they've got, let alone start new ones.

4. PARALYSIS. Too few roads and a lame transit system mean we all spend too much time in our cars, alone and stationary. This isolation becomes second nature.

5. TRANSPLANT PRESSURE. The townies resent the newbies for ruining Seattle's imagined Podunk innocence. The Chill tends to segregate Seattleites into groups of locals who went to Garfield High together... and knots of transplants who find each other and share their perplexity about the townies.

6. INSECURITY. Seattle is a sort of Potemkin world-class city, with a lot of gnawing, provincial fears and small-town, small-bore sensibilities behind the 21st-century facade. (In no other city have I heard so many natives proudly proclaim their disinterest in discovering other places, because "everything I could ever want is right here.") Any seventh grader will tell you insecurity impedes social interaction.

7. WEALTH ENVY. Too much new money from quick tech fortunes and unnatural real estate appreciation. It's divided the Seattle population into haves and have-nots that hate each other -- not on the basis of intelligence or faithful hard work, but on arbitrary, lotterylike terms: who lucked into the right employer or neighborhood and who didn't. The wealth lottery is a key destabilizer and anger-breeder. That's why your neighbor just stares at you instead of saying good morning. Maybe you bought your place outright on a whim while she's drowning in a 30-year mortgage. She hates you for it.

8. INSTANT GRATIFICATION CULTURE. Thanks in part to dot-com culture, in part to a general decline in societal structure, people expect to achieve all manner of material rewards -- BMWs, Thai diving holidays, granite countertops -- virtually overnight and become angry when denied. I've seen 27-year-old tech-world workers fly into rages or sink into funks because they couldn't have exactly the Mercer Island house they wanted. When people lose the concept of investing and earning to achieve things, they lose the ability to relate to people. (And it's not only young people; as someone smarter than me has observed, if you want to see raw anger, try telling any upper-middle-class American woman she can't have something.)

9. POLITICAL IMPOTENCE. The liberal/progressive paradigm is virtually overthrown in the US. The Democratic leadership is inept and incoherent. Some of the movement's last angry avatars are out here clinging to the country's leftmost, jagged edge. Having failed to change the country they are now reduced to snatching cigarettes out of people's fingers and, like the hard right, screaming insults at anyone who disagrees with them. These people have never exactly been relaxed anyway. Now that their eclipse is about total, Seattle's air is weighted with their general rage and disapproval.

Thank you for your interest in the root causes of the Seattle Chill. Anyone who responds here by telling me to fuck off or move away is personifying Factors 1,5 and 6.


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I live in Alaska and go to Seattle often. Seattle folks are outstanding, warm and friendly people to their buddies "Up North".

I think a lot of the unwelcoming reactions people from other places may experience has to do with Seattle seeing so many people from other states move into town and change the place for the worse.

They also have to suffer the slings and arrows of stupid misconceptions from people who don't live there and don't appreciate the life in the Pacific Northwest.

It's a little like Alaska, in that we love you when you visit us. And we love it when you go home.
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I have lived in Seattle my whole life. This account is 100% correct. The residents are sullen and unfriendly as compared to those in other areas of the country. I am constantly stating "You're welcome" in a loud tone to a myriad of folks after I hold a door or elavator open for them and am not thanked. Same goes for merchants after a purchase when I am not greeted or thanked even after greeting them very nicely. Why should I have to greet them in their own store ? Now I can understand MTV watchers behaving this way, but I see this in all age groups.
Thanks for posting this.
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Reason number 99 for why Seattle sucks;

Y'all are metrosexual Commies!
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A volcano and/or earthquake will eventually destroy most of Seattle. Maybe there is something to this Karma thing.

I certainly got bad vibes when I visited my brother a few years back when he was working there temporarily.
The whole coastal northwest of the US is beautiful country though.
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I lived in the Seattle area for over twenty years. Ugh! The only reason they are friendly to the Alaskans is because of the big wads of cash the Alaskans bring with them. Same goes for the Californians. I moved East about ten years ago and it was the best move I ever made. People here still wave in passing on the highway. I know all my neighbors and we get together often. I have bought and sold several homes here and have refused cash offers from Californians and Seattlites to maintain the harmony of the community. The sidewalkers come and bring their big city ideas with them. I enjoy peeing off my back porch and shooting in my back yard and so do most folks that live here thank you.
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The state is messed up and people are angry about it. There's billionaires and poverty stricken people living in the same aera. Lots of traffic and bad weather. The city was gorgeous and it was made to be a small town. I think if you'd lived there 75 years and then all of a sudden the working class people all get squeezed out for Boeing and Microsoft, it'd make you resentful too. Most of these people have been squeezed out of the city because property taxes are so high. The rain is miserable and the people who make it hard don't even live there, they have summer homes. All of Puget Sound is islands that have huge estates on them and you aren't allowed to use the beach anymore, that you spent decades fishing on. Now some overpriveldged little prick ten year old tells you it's HIS private beach..

Greed sucks.
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Alaska rules!

Shall-issue, no permits, plus the state government gives you money for residing there!!
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Good points 8886. You're right.
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8886

"I enjoy peeing off my back porch and shooting in my back yard and so do most folks that live here thank you."

Way to go!!
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i spoke with a woman in germany last weekend about creating a "circle of friends" (bruno groening spiritual healing site) in seattle. tho she had a lot of "lip service" and promises, she has yet to find someone to create a community up there.
i told her that seattle is not evil, but lost.
that there are too many people up there that are out of touch.
i will be creating a community further south that involves olympia and those regions around it.
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most of that list applies to vancouver as well, i think we may be a$$holes too.
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I spent several visits in Seattle in the summer time and never saw the sun shine. It was difficult to get out of bed in the morning to go sight seeing, so dark and cloudy. I could never live there.
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Maybe this thread will keep people from MOVING HERE! I love Seattle! GO SEAHAWKS!!!!!!!!!!! Even though I live in Issaquah coffeecup
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Microsoft.

Says it all. damned

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"9. POLITICAL IMPOTENCE. The liberal/progressive paradigm is virtually overthrown in the US. The Democratic leadership is inept and incoherent. Some of the movement's last angry avatars are out here clinging to the country's leftmost, jagged edge. Having failed to change the country they are now reduced to snatching cigarettes out of people's fingers and, like the hard right, screaming insults at anyone who disagrees with them. These people have never exactly been relaxed anyway. Now that their eclipse is about total, Seattle's air is weighted with their general rage and disapproval."


HAHAHA so true.
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Maybe, if they win the Super Bowl,
they will come alive! I sure hope
that it brings some happiness to
them just being there is exciting.
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Why would you ever post a picture like that? It's horrible.
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>>Why would you ever post a picture like that? It's horrible.<<

Because that is the epitome and life essence expression of Microsoft.
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I was born in Seattle maybe the people your talking about are the ones that moved here I LOVE THE RAIN.... its good for your skin! true Seattle folk are artistically talented Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Queensryche (awesome) and many others, theres the beautiful Puget Sound with much opportunity, recreation and fun waiting if you know where to go what about Ivar's seafood yum Starbucks coffee is the best coffee. Coffee has been one of the main stay commodites for years even thru the depression. Microsoft provided information convience and jobs when the job market was getting squeezed Bill Gates gives thousands to different charities have YOU given to a charity this year? are YOU musically talented I am? I sang for a guy band (the lead singer didn't show up) I was doing lights and jumped on stage and did the show filling in for the lead singer so show could go on only a Seattle girl could be that multi talented... I play a little drums keyboard bass mainly I'm one bad ass singer I'm not racist I love my black brother as much as my white brother I feel sad for my Indian brother who has lost his fishing and land rights due to the white man that moved into the area. Have you ever had true smoked salmon right off the fire from the Indians... I now live in Michigan it sucks you want to meet rude people move to Michigan I help the next guy and hope the favor is returned to the next person.... guys from Seattle don't demean their girlfriends they allow them to grow... I love the Woodland Park Zoo I love the Seattle Center I know people from Alaska are awesome hard working people... The chill would be in Michigan its been 19 degrees on average for the last two weeks. Boeing makes the world go round... No matter where I am in the world I have a smile for my neighbor***
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what cities in the usa have good energy opposed to dark gloomy seattle?
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67435

I understand that you feel that way and respect it.

It's the cruelty of that picture. A picture that had nothing to do with Microsoft or with making a point.

A little life spending its last moments in terror. All life is precious and there's so much cruelty.
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Great post Kat. All the best to you!

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Hendrix, Kurt Cobain,"

both were drug addicts and both died horrible violent deaths. just shows you what kinds of MIND PATTERNS are attracted to seattle upon reincarnation. Those same depressed mind patterns now living in seattle are attracting a mass chaos earth change event, that will kill most of them, these mind patterns need this experience to evolve and move on. Maybe next time they will be born in florida
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14625

Did you miss your Happy Meal today? Yikes.

Want to see self-destructive personalities with way too much money?

Try LA. The Hamptons and a slug of other places.
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The above described attitude is common in large cities the world over...I`ve seen and experienced it for myself in European cities and as I live in London am used to the cold shoulder...I think it`s because people just don`t have enough space of their own and are constantly hassled and eyed with suspicion wherever they go or whatever they do...experiments on rats,confined to cramped living conditions etc and constantly harried etc produced psychological abnormalities... hf
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Jimi and Kurt were talented!!! drugs or no drugs Have you been ate up by the world and spit out.... I dont do drugs or drink I detest drugs but sounds like your on drugs....
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I moved here from the East Coast and I would never move back.

I have accounts from all over the country with whom my department speaks to on the phones and we are always asked if all people in Washington are as nice as we are.

The answer is a resounding yes!

I can't really speak about Seattle itself, although most metropolis areas are full of people so stressed out they are rude. I live 50 miles north of Seattle and can tell you people are very kind in our state.

Although the weather is gloomy, politics are balanced compared to the rest of the country and we have an excellent economy.

So whatever

And, yeah, GO SEAHAWKS!
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P.S. to 14625 I suggest you go get on a beautiful Seattle ferry grab some Ivar's to go, stop at Vashion Island put your feet up enjoy a nice cup of Starbucks espresso, listen to Jimi, take in all the beauty nature has to offer the whales the sealions the beautiful trees the birds singing get back on the ferry go to the Woodland Park Zoo and stay there pss... feel the love I LOVE YOU... when they let you out, grab a concert maybe Green Day or Sound Garden...
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In the late 80's I lived in Tacoma and went to the Art Institute of Seattle. I left home at 6:50, got to school by 6:45, got my parking and was in the classroom and ready to go by 7:00 sharp. My commute time was exactly 35 minutes. I lived 30 miles south. My spouse was stationed at Ft Lewis.

The only traffic snarl I dealt with was Boeing commuters and it was minor and wasn't a big deal. I loved Seattle, the people were great, the town was fantastic. It was an incredible, vital, thriving place to be in those days.

While I went to school my commute time slowly began to creep up, from 35 minute to 45. By the time I started to work in Seattle over the next couple of years my commute crept up to an hour and 45 minutes. I worked right near Pike's Place Market, it was a bustling, heady place to be. The bluest skys were indeed in Seattle. Then traffic conjestion hold ups began to move south, when it reached Federal Way and I could no longer take the insanity that had become the I-5 commute, I used the park and ride and began taking the bus. By then I was leaving home at 5:30 AM to make it to work by 8:00. The day before a major holiday I would see a one way commute turn into 3 hours just trying to get home. By the time I left my job in Seattle for something closer to home the conjestion started near the interchanges at the Tacoma Dome and stretched all the way to Seattle.

On my last day of work I remember looking around, very sad to be leaving, but relieved I didn't have to deal with the insanity that was beginning to grip Seattle. People weren't friendly anymore, the people that you would meet on the side walk were pensive, withdrawn and stressed out. In the 6 years that I had gone to school and worked, something had happened to Seattle that is happening to Portland and every other once great city. People. People make these cities great, but too many people destroy. So Seattle makes the best place to live reviews and people, wanting a piece of that special something flock to these cities to be a part of it. In the end, they destroy the very thing that brought them there in the first place. Its sad and its happening all over the world.

I was finally able to move to the country. I respect the country, the land, all the things that make it what it is. I drive 30 miles once or twice a month to shop for groceries. I'm okay with that. But now we have "city folk" moving in who miss the starbucks on the corner, the shopping malls, the ass to head little plots they call a home. They want to bring that with them. The convienience they are used to. So now there's pressure. Pressure to destroy everything that makes places special. People create and other people destroy. That's what's wrong with Seattle. That's what's wrong with Portland.

The reason they move out of one place and in to another is to get away from the "rat race". Unfortunately, they always end up bringing it with them. Whining about not being able to order at Dominoes, or whine because it is so far away to go to a mall. Or whine about this and that. Get the hell out of my town then and go back to the city.

I tell you what, every time they try to develop out here and put their stinking little shopping malls in, want to build that ass to head housing plot. They got me to deal with and I will fight them every step of the way. That's what the chill is. I saw what happened to Seattle, To Tacoma, To Olympia, hell, the entire I-5 corridor is one big freakin mall.

And yet, I'm afraid. Because soon, people like me that truly love the land, the things that it grows, its' wildness, its' peace. Who really can do without the shopping malls, Dominoes, Wal-Mart's, and crime. There won't be anyplace for us to live. We'll have been out voted and sold out by city planners who think more about the money than the thing they were hired to protect.

That's the big chill.
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OP smells like a whiny malcontented child. baby cry





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