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Please explain why the world needs hand guns?

 
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Protection from each other you fucking moran
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For the ladies to protect themselves.
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Cars kill more people then guns do. Let's ban cars.

Damn! Some of you people are fucking stupid!!
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The world needs hand guns because people who want to protect themselves from robbers and rapists need something small and concealable. You can't go around carrying a rifle. I've been approached at the grocery store in a dark parking lot in a nice part of town by a man who wouldn't leave me alone and started following me. Ever since then, I've carried a revolver, learned how to use it, got a concealed carry permit. I will not be a victim. I believe in self-defense.
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Cars kill more people then guns do. Let's ban cars.

Damn! Some of you people are fucking stupid!!
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Some people have a fundamental problem with logic.

It's no wonder the world is in the shape its in.
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s226You obviously are a retarted liberal!bushpunchwakeupbyekitty
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OK I get we have the right to protect ourselves...but I live in a city... and I can protect my house just fine with a rifle or shot gun. Almost all street murders in philly are hand guns.....NO CRAZY MUTHERFUCKER is gonna get into any school with a rifle or shot gun over thier shoulder.................Just sayin
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If you really care about the question you pose, then watch this documentary innocents betrayed and see why every human should always have weapons.


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The world needs hand guns because people who want to protect themselves from robbers and rapists need something small and concealable. You can't go around carrying a rifle. I've been approached at the grocery store in a dark parking lot in a nice part of town by a man who wouldn't leave me alone and started following me. Ever since then, I've carried a revolver, learned how to use it, got a concealed carry permit. I will not be a victim. I believe in self-defense.
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the population needs guns so that the government gives pause to their inevitable push for control.

power corrupts.


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Dot just quoted HuffPo?

Now I understand her negative karma and blatant stupidity.
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And you didn't even read the article, right?

BTW, someone on this forum is going around giving members red karma, and putting MY name after it. One of the recipients told me. I don't DO karma!
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


You're a real brain surgeon I see.

It's likely that I didn't read the article, as I deliberately disparaged HuffPo.

Instead of posting, try a second or third job. You know, pay for all that hair dye.
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
OK I get we have the right to protect ourselves...but I live in a city... and I can protect my house just fine with a rifle or shot gun. Almost all street murders in philly are hand guns.....NO CRAZY MUTHERFUCKER is gonna get into any school with a rifle or shot gun over thier shoulder.................Just sayin
 Quoting: JoeGreen


When you are at the county fair with your family and 20 groids surround your car and start attcking your family I would say a gun would be needed.
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
Government does not need to ban the guns, they need to improve defense strategies in public places, which is far easier and less combative a task...

If the schools had a gun in a locked room in case of these types of incidents, the wierdos might think twice about taking out kids in schools.

You do not have shootings in Malls right? why not? because they have security, usually armed, and cameras, and no one is dumb enough to want to start a shooting spree there.

The same should be the case for schools, perhaps they could hire 1 guard at each school, install metal detectors that can send a message to local police forces, I just don't know, but I do know that using the shooting as the basis upon which to implement excessive gun controls will only upset society even more - unless you wanna do it........

So, gun law should reflect improved security in schools and other public institutions, and that should be the end of it.

I can't see why criminals are free from any laws relating to gun control, while the majority of responsible people have to pay the price for the type of MO of someone who may already have been predisposed to kill.
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Dot just quoted HuffPo?

Now I understand her negative karma and blatant stupidity.
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And you didn't even read the article, right?

BTW, someone on this forum is going around giving members red karma, and putting MY name after it. One of the recipients told me. I don't DO karma!
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


You're a real brain surgeon I see.

It's likely that I didn't read the article, as I deliberately disparaged HuffPo.

Instead of posting, try a second or third job. You know, pay for all that hair dye.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8397139


Hey, ladyboy, stop goading posters into a scrap, this about the second or third post you have directly attacked the same poster.

WTF is wrong with you?

STAY ON TOPIC BEEOTCH, or GTFO

granny
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OK I get we have the right to protect ourselves...but I live in a city... and I can protect my house just fine with a rifle or shot gun. Almost all street murders in philly are hand guns.....NO CRAZY MUTHERFUCKER is gonna get into any school with a rifle or shot gun over thier shoulder.................Just sayin
 Quoting: JoeGreen


When you are at the county fair with your family and 20 groids surround your car and start attcking your family I would say a gun would be needed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29919721



What will you do Joe, when you are at work and your wife/kids/pet are at home alone and there is a break in? run and make a bifg ass noise as you get two cartidges?

a home invasion requires quick and small weapons at your disposal.

If 6 people attacked you, just what would you do when your two rounds need a changing, mmmmmmm?
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
Dot just quoted HuffPo?

Now I understand her negative karma and blatant stupidity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8397139


And you didn't even read the article, right?

BTW, someone on this forum is going around giving members red karma, and putting MY name after it. One of the recipients told me. I don't DO karma!
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Why read something from a known propaganda outlet? That is the question. I understand you accept their information on face value. But posting left winger articles is hardly valid.
 Quoting: Chip


What I'm looking for is an accurate analysis of whether or not gun bearing by ordinary citizens results in a net decrease in violent crimes due to a deterrence effect. Articles are very difficult to find. It looks like we may need to examine Kleck (1997)for a comprehensive review. Even so, I'm afraid the conclusions will prove to be indeterminate.

I hope this is more to your liking.
.........

2. Theory.
A basic sketch of the theoretical relations among the three target variables is that
crime is a function of guns and sanctions. The theoretical signs on the partial derivatives
are subject to some dispute. It is generally recognized that prison incarceration reduces
crime due to a combination of incarceration and deterrent effects (e.g., Moody and
Marvell, 1994, 1997, 1998, Levitt, 1996). We would therefore expect a negative partial
derivative on prison in the crime equation. The theoretical sign on guns in the crime
equation is much more controversial. Guns could cause crime because the more guns
there are, the more will fall into the hands of criminals through loss, theft, etc. (Duggan
2000) and more guns in the home or in public will lead to an escalation of violence,
making crime more likely and more serious. On the other hand, Lott and Mustard (1997)
find that the passage of right-to-carry concealed weapons laws, which presumably
increases the number of guns both at home and in public, causes crime to decrease. The
theory is that if a potential criminal is not sure which of a distribution of potential victims
can defend themselves efficiently with a gun, the criminal is likely to be deterred from
committing any crime involving face to face contact with such a potentially armed
populace. It is entirely possible that both arguments are correct and the net effect of guns
on crime could be positive, negative, or zero. Similarly, both arguments could be wrong
and guns are completely independent of crime, yielding a zero coefficient on guns in the4
crime equation. Thus, the sign of the partial derivative of guns in the crime equation
remains an empirical question. See Kleck (1997) for a thorough review of the literature.
Crime can also cause ordinary citizens to acquire guns for self-defense. Thus we
would expect that the partial derivative of crime in the gun equation is nonnegative.
Society attempts to control crime through the use of sanctions. The criminal justice
system includes the police who investigate crimes and make arrests, prosecutors and
judges who try the accused and sentence the guilty, and prisons where convicted felons
are incarcerated. We expect that crime is negatively related to sanctions and that prisons
are positively related to arrests. We assume that arrests and the prison population are
independent of the level of guns except indirectly through possible impacts on crime
1
.
Assuming a linear model, the specification is as follows.
0 1 2 3 4
0 1 2 3
0 1 2
0 1 2
C
P
G
A
C P G A Z
P C A Z
G C Z
A C Z
α α α α α
β β β β
γ γ γ
δ δ δ
= + + + +
= + + +
= + +
= + +
(1)
where C is crime, P is prison incarceration, G is gun availability, A is arrests; ZC, ZP, ZG
and ZA are vectors of exogenous variables, andα1 3 1 2 1 1
< 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 &#945; &#946; &#946; &#947; &#948; < > > &#8805; > .
The sign on &#945;2 is not known a priori.

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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
My bad, the pet cant defend itself, so take fido to work every day with you from now on
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
Ask the 6 million Jews who were murdered by the nazis. Or or 60 million killed by Stalin. Both were socialists by the way....Oh that's right you can't. They're all dead. Murdered by the glorious "state" you liberal idiots worship.

Ever wonder why history keep repeating?Look in the mirror. Mindless idiots like you OP. That's why.
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AMEN BROTHER!

A one shot pistol in WWII helped the resistance
kill national socialists. THANK GOD!!
All it takes is one bullet to rid the world
of a socialist.

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Look I usulally try not to be a lib tard...not fond of govt hand outs....not happy with most of our elected officials.... but if america started melting down hand guns...I BET the murder rate in the usa would drop.... its a shame that we will never know the real answer
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Homicide rate is higher in the disarmed East.
Government is a body largely ungoverned.
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
Dot just quoted HuffPo?

Now I understand her negative karma and blatant stupidity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8397139


And you didn't even read the article, right?

BTW, someone on this forum is going around giving members red karma, and putting MY name after it. One of the recipients told me. I don't DO karma!
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


You're a real brain surgeon I see.

It's likely that I didn't read the article, as I deliberately disparaged HuffPo.

Instead of posting, try a second or third job. You know, pay for all that hair dye.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8397139


Hey, ladyboy, stop goading posters into a scrap, this about the second or third post you have directly attacked the same poster.

WTF is wrong with you?

STAY ON TOPIC BEEOTCH, or GTFO

granny
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If you believe I am off topic, I'm afraid you're rather lost.

Try and keep up, essay.
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Because they don't make footguns, gees!
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
Dot just quoted HuffPo?

Now I understand her negative karma and blatant stupidity.
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And you didn't even read the article, right?

BTW, someone on this forum is going around giving members red karma, and putting MY name after it. One of the recipients told me. I don't DO karma!
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Why read something from a known propaganda outlet? That is the question. I understand you accept their information on face value. But posting left winger articles is hardly valid.
 Quoting: Chip


What I'm looking for is an accurate analysis of whether or not gun bearing by ordinary citizens results in a net decrease in violent crimes due to a deterrence effect. Articles are very difficult to find. It looks like we may need to examine Kleck (1997)for a comprehensive review. Even so, I'm afraid the conclusions will prove to be indeterminate.

I hope this is more to your liking.
.........

2. Theory.
A basic sketch of the theoretical relations among the three target variables is that
crime is a function of guns and sanctions. The theoretical signs on the partial derivatives
are subject to some dispute. It is generally recognized that prison incarceration reduces
crime due to a combination of incarceration and deterrent effects (e.g., Moody and
Marvell, 1994, 1997, 1998, Levitt, 1996). We would therefore expect a negative partial
derivative on prison in the crime equation. The theoretical sign on guns in the crime
equation is much more controversial. Guns could cause crime because the more guns
there are, the more will fall into the hands of criminals through loss, theft, etc. (Duggan
2000) and more guns in the home or in public will lead to an escalation of violence,
making crime more likely and more serious. On the other hand, Lott and Mustard (1997)
find that the passage of right-to-carry concealed weapons laws, which presumably
increases the number of guns both at home and in public, causes crime to decrease. The
theory is that if a potential criminal is not sure which of a distribution of potential victims
can defend themselves efficiently with a gun, the criminal is likely to be deterred from
committing any crime involving face to face contact with such a potentially armed
populace. It is entirely possible that both arguments are correct and the net effect of guns
on crime could be positive, negative, or zero. Similarly, both arguments could be wrong
and guns are completely independent of crime, yielding a zero coefficient on guns in the4
crime equation. Thus, the sign of the partial derivative of guns in the crime equation
remains an empirical question. See Kleck (1997) for a thorough review of the literature.
Crime can also cause ordinary citizens to acquire guns for self-defense. Thus we
would expect that the partial derivative of crime in the gun equation is nonnegative.
Society attempts to control crime through the use of sanctions. The criminal justice
system includes the police who investigate crimes and make arrests, prosecutors and
judges who try the accused and sentence the guilty, and prisons where convicted felons
are incarcerated. We expect that crime is negatively related to sanctions and that prisons
are positively related to arrests. We assume that arrests and the prison population are
independent of the level of guns except indirectly through possible impacts on crime
1
.
Assuming a linear model, the specification is as follows.
0 1 2 3 4
0 1 2 3
0 1 2
0 1 2
C
P
G
A
C P G A Z
P C A Z
G C Z
A C Z
&#945; &#945; &#945; &#945; &#945;
&#946; &#946; &#946; &#946;
&#947; &#947; &#947;
&#948; &#948; &#948;
= + + + +
= + + +
= + +
= + +
(1)
where C is crime, P is prison incarceration, G is gun availability, A is arrests; ZC, ZP, ZG
and ZA are vectors of exogenous variables, and&#945;1 3 1 2 1 1
< 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0 &#945; &#946; &#946; &#947; &#948; < > > &#8805; > .
The sign on &#945;2 is not known a priori.

..

[link to law.wm.edu]
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


I suppose we could even use more obvious examples.

Do we really have to drag out the usual suspects every five or six posts?

Your parents escaped the Holocaust? How do they feel about a disarmed citizenry?
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
Government does not need to ban the guns, they need to improve defense strategies in public places, which is far easier and less combative a task...

If the schools had a gun in a locked room in case of these types of incidents, the wierdos might think twice about taking out kids in schools.

You do not have shootings in Malls right? why not? because they have security, usually armed, and cameras, and no one is dumb enough to want to start a shooting spree there.

The same should be the case for schools, perhaps they could hire 1 guard at each school, install metal detectors that can send a message to local police forces, I just don't know, but I do know that using the shooting as the basis upon which to implement excessive gun controls will only upset society even more - unless you wanna do it........

So, gun law should reflect improved security in schools and other public institutions, and that should be the end of it.

I can't see why criminals are free from any laws relating to gun control, while the majority of responsible people have to pay the price for the type of MO of someone who may already have been predisposed to kill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29335662


Not to disparage a good post countering the douchebag OP...but we did have a mall shooting just the other day.
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TY, but you will find they are not as common, and response teams are there quickly...

In Mexico City, I heard there was a huge march, because people were getting robbed at gunpoint in the underground section of a car park in a Mall, and after that, they increased security in a major way, and there has not been a single incident since.

My point was that 'dickhead killing spreetard', is gonna try it on anywhere, but they may be less likely to target one specific location if there are armed personnel, it is a deterrent.

Having a locked weapon on campus or school grounds is the sensible, logical and intelligent option right now, especially considering the current mood of America.
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And you didn't even read the article, right?

BTW, someone on this forum is going around giving members red karma, and putting MY name after it. One of the recipients told me. I don't DO karma!
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


You're a real brain surgeon I see.

It's likely that I didn't read the article, as I deliberately disparaged HuffPo.

Instead of posting, try a second or third job. You know, pay for all that hair dye.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8397139


Hey, ladyboy, stop goading posters into a scrap, this about the second or third post you have directly attacked the same poster.

WTF is wrong with you?

STAY ON TOPIC BEEOTCH, or GTFO

granny
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If you believe I am off topic, I'm afraid you're rather lost.

Try and keep up, essay.
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it's 'ese', you poorly edumacated useless eating racist bogot, and making digs at someone is not on topic... you seriously lack brain cells, ladyboy, so stop shining dicks, suckwit.....

baby
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bigot, not bogot...
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Re: Please explain why the world needs hand guns?
Government does not need to ban the guns, they need to improve defense strategies in public places, which is far easier and less combative a task...

If the schools had a gun in a locked room in case of these types of incidents, the wierdos might think twice about taking out kids in schools.

You do not have shootings in Malls right? why not? because they have security, usually armed, and cameras, and no one is dumb enough to want to start a shooting spree there.

The same should be the case for schools, perhaps they could hire 1 guard at each school, install metal detectors that can send a message to local police forces, I just don't know, but I do know that using the shooting as the basis upon which to implement excessive gun controls will only upset society even more - unless you wanna do it........

So, gun law should reflect improved security in schools and other public institutions, and that should be the end of it.

I can't see why criminals are free from any laws relating to gun control, while the majority of responsible people have to pay the price for the type of MO of someone who may already have been predisposed to kill.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29335662


Not to disparage a good post countering the douchebag OP...but we did have a mall shooting just the other day.
 Quoting: Chip


TY, but you will find they are not as common, and response teams are there quickly...

In Mexico City, I heard there was a huge march, because people were getting robbed at gunpoint in the underground section of a car park in a Mall, and after that, they increased security in a major way, and there has not been a single incident since.

My point was that 'dickhead killing spreetard', is gonna try it on anywhere, but they may be less likely to target one specific location if there are armed personnel, it is a deterrent.

Having a locked weapon on campus or school grounds is the sensible, logical and intelligent option right now, especially considering the current mood of America.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29335662


Definitely agree. Good post.

I believe school staff should conceal carry. If a teacher/administrator doesn't want to go armed, that's fine. That there are armed individuals "manning" the schools is a more than sufficient deterrent.

Example - I live in the Southern region of the US in a somewhat rural area. You almost NEVER hear of burglaries at night. Why? All of us "rednecks" have guns ;-)
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Whether or not you accept it the facts are the nation is broke and have been laying off police officers left and right for over 3 years now...the crime rate would be going up if your assessment was accurate...unfortunately for you and the anti-gun rights advocates the crime rate continues to drop as more and more citizens are purchasing firearms.

Now, if you trust the government enough to vote for larger government as the OP and Dot does in their own admission, you then must accept the FBI reports as legitimate?

If not, you vote for a larger government that you yourself do not trust.

In light of these FACTS, you really need to change your own view on the subject and become progressive instead of "Progressives".

Done!
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And I think that about ties it up.

Very nice.
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And you didn't even read the article, right?

BTW, someone on this forum is going around giving members red karma, and putting MY name after it. One of the recipients told me. I don't DO karma!
 Quoting: DOT 2 DOT


Why read something from a known propaganda outlet? That is the question. I understand you accept their information on face value. But posting left winger articles is hardly valid.
 Quoting: Chip


What I'm looking for is an accurate analysis of whether or not gun bearing by ordinary citizens results in a net decrease in violent crimes due to a deterrence effect. Articles are very difficult to find. It looks like we may need to examine Kleck (1997)for a comprehensive review. Even so, I'm afraid the conclusions will prove to be indeterminate.

I hope this is more to your liking.
.........

2. Theory.
A basic sketch of the theoretical relations among the three target variables is that
crime is a function of guns and sanctions. The theoretical signs on the partial derivatives
are subject to some dispute. It is generally recognized that prison incarceration reduces
crime due to a combination of incarceration and deterrent effects (e.g., Moody and
Marvell, 1994, 1997, 1998, Levitt, 1996). We would therefore expect a negative partial
derivative on prison in the crime equation. The theoretical sign on guns in the crime
equation is much more controversial. Guns could cause crime because the more guns
there are, the more will fall into the hands of criminals through loss, theft, etc. (Duggan
2000) and more guns in the home or in public will lead to an escalation of violence,
making crime more likely and more serious. On the other hand, Lott and Mustard (1997)
find that the passage of right-to-carry concealed weapons laws, which presumably
increases the number of guns both at home and in public, causes crime to decrease. The
theory is that if a potential criminal is not sure which of a distribution of potential victims
can defend themselves efficiently with a gun, the criminal is likely to be deterred from
committing any crime involving face to face contact with such a potentially armed
populace. It is entirely possible that both arguments are correct and the net effect of guns
on crime could be positive, negative, or zero. Similarly, both arguments could be wrong
and guns are completely independent of crime, yielding a zero coefficient on guns in the4
crime equation. Thus, the sign of the partial derivative of guns in the crime equation
remains an empirical question. See Kleck (1997) for a thorough review of the literature.
Crime can also cause ordinary citizens to acquire guns for self-defense. Thus we
would expect that the partial derivative of crime in the gun equation is nonnegative.
Society attempts to control crime through the use of sanctions. The criminal justice
system includes the police who investigate crimes and make arrests, prosecutors and
judges who try the accused and sentence the guilty, and prisons where convicted felons
are incarcerated. We expect that crime is negatively related to sanctions and that prisons
are positively related to arrests. We assume that arrests and the prison population are
independent of the level of guns except indirectly through possible impacts on crime
1
.
Assuming a linear model, the specification is as follows.
0 1 2 3 4
0 1 2 3
0 1 2
0 1 2
C
P
G
A
C P G A Z
P C A Z
G C Z
A C Z
&#945; &#945; &#945; &#945; &#945;
&#946; &#946; &#946; &#946;
&#947; &#947; &#947;
&#948; &#948; &#948;
= + + + +
= + + +
= + +
= + +
(1)
where C is crime, P is prison incarceration, G is gun availability, A is arrests; ZC, ZP, ZG
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You obviously didn't read the article I posted earlier.

Violent crime rates are down for the 5th year in a row due to massive gun sales to citizens.

Article regarding a 2009 analysis of the FBI Crime report --> [link to www.washingtontimes.com]

[link to www.fbi.gov (secure)]

Complete crime report --> [link to www.fbi.gov (secure)]
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I did read the article, but again.. it's merely a correlation, which does not prove cause.

Let's look at another example..Japan, where virtually no one owns a gun.
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from:

A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths

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Waikiki's Japanese-filled ranges are the sort of quirk you might find in any major tourist town, but they're also an intersection of two societies with wildly different approaches to guns and their role in society. Friday's horrific shooting at an Aurora, Colorado, movie theater has been a reminder that America's gun control laws are the loosest in the developed world and its rate of gun-related homicide is the highest. Of the world's 23 "rich" countries, the U.S. gun-related murder rate is almost 20 times that of the other 22. With almost one privately owned firearm per person, America's ownership rate is the highest in the world; tribal-conflict-torn Yemen is ranked second, with a rate about half of America's.

But what about the country at the other end of the spectrum? What is the role of guns in Japan, the developed world's least firearm-filled nation and perhaps its strictest controller? In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone. And that was a big year: 2006 saw an astounding two, and when that number jumped to 22 in 2007, it became a national scandal. By comparison, also in 2008, 587 Americans were killed just by guns that had discharged accidentally.

Almost no one in Japan owns a gun. Most kinds are illegal, with onerous restrictions on buying and maintaining the few that are allowed. Even the country's infamous, mafia-like Yakuza tend to forgo guns; the few exceptions tend to become big national news stories.

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Look I usulally try not to be a lib tard...not fond of govt hand outs....not happy with most of our elected officials.... but if america started melting down hand guns...I BET the murder rate in the usa would drop.... its a shame that we will never know the real answer
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Homicide rate is higher in the disarmed East.
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Indeed, and also many other countries that have bans as in the UK with restricted permissions, you will find that crime is rife, and guess what, guns are also rife amongst the criminal elements, so how does banning guns and melting them down stop weapons related crime?

Answer: It doesn't, it exacerbates the problem and leaves women, the weak and the elderly more vunerable to attack, and crime increases exponentially, as there are more 'soft targets' that criminals can prey on.

You need to secure the public institutions, not the guns of responsible citizens as it is sending out a message of distrust between the government, and the tax payer.
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OK I get we have the right to protect ourselves...but I live in a city... and I can protect my house just fine with a rifle or shot gun. Almost all street murders in philly are hand guns.....NO CRAZY MUTHERFUCKER is gonna get into any school with a rifle or shot gun over thier shoulder.................Just sayin
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We need hand guns for when dopes like you breed in too large of numbers we can cull you quickly.





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