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Message Subject May 15th ME TEL U NOW SHIN THIS PHIT OMGWTFBBQ
Poster Handle Animose
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Again, perceptions and feelings are irrelevant. Let me give you an example.

Let's take the OJ Simpson case (or any murder trial, really). Many people are convinced beyond any shadow of a doubt that he committed those murders. Others still defend his innocence. One trial found him guilty, another found him innocent. Everyone involved in those trials had their own perceptions and feelings about the situation.

Regardless of how anyone feels, there are only two possibilities. Either he killed those people, or he didn't. If he did, then it doesn't matter what his defenders think, he's guilty. If he didn't, then it doesn't matter what his accusers think, he is innocent. The truth exists independent of peoples feeling and perceptions. Understand?
 Quoting: Animose


you let reality tells you what truth is... reality is but a perception of your senses! Why would you trust your senses so much to guide you?
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


I let reality tell me what truth is? Of course! Reality and truth are one in the same. What is truth? Truth is whatever is real. If it's not real, then likewise, it's not true.

If you shoot me, and then say you didn't, you are lying. Why? Because reality contradicts your claim of innocence.

You tell me not to rely on my senses, but your alternative isn't any better. Why would my "feelings" be any better to rely on than my senses for determining truth? If senses can be mislead, how much more easily can feelings be manipulated? The most successful politicians are the ones who've best learned how to manipulate people's emotions. If politicians are able to make people feel good, does that mean they're always telling the truth? Most of the messes people get into are because they're listening to their feelings rather than looking at the facts.

So you see, when I approach the "me tel u" thread, or anything like it, I have to look at all the facts, not just what my feelings say. Feelings can be manipulated with clever wordplay or exciting ideas. The OP of that thread has a clever premise that captures the imagination. But if the predictions don't come to pass as stated, then it is a work of fiction, period.
 Quoting: Animose


Albert Einstein said it! Your imagination is more important then your knowledge! You can debate him if you want.
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


I'm pretty sure Einstein was willing to correct himself when he learned he was wrong about something. Even he had to work with what was real. Math is based on set rules that work regardless of what you think of them. If math was based on what we imagined as opposed to what is real, Einstein could never have used it for anything.

It's very telling that you respond with meaningless one-liners that are taken out of context, rather than directly address the points that gut your argument of any validity.
 
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