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(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just found this threat from 2010 here...sorry, I don't know how to cut and past threads...but I was looking for an English translation of the law. Nazi Weapons Act of 1938 (Translated to English) [link to constitutionalistnc.tripod.com] "The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty. So let's not have any native militia or native police. German troops alone will bear the sole responsibility for the maintenance of law and order throughout the occupied Russian territories, and a system of military strong-points must be evolved to cover the entire occupied country." --Adolf Hitler, dinner talk on April 11, 1942, quoted in Hitler's Table Talk 1941-44: His Private Conversations, Second Edition (1973), Pg. 425-426. |
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(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So they were able to use local records when they invaded...really they have what they need now. They have records of all the concealed carry handgun registrations. Last Edited by allisaTX on 01/13/2013 04:10 PM |
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(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Nazi Head of Norway? Quoting: allisaTX I don't think of Norwegians as Nazi's? I have so much reading to do. Don't believe everything you read. There are so much lies about the Nazis it is sometimes very hard to know the truth, especially if you do not speak or read german. Yes, that's why I have a poll going there:) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27301486 Germany 01/13/2013 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On the first day the Nazis occupied Czechoslovakia, they put up posters in every town ordering the inhabitants to surrender all firearms, including hunting guns. The penalty for disobedience was death. The Nazis were able to use local and central registration records of firearms owners and hunters to execute the decree. Lists of potential dissidents and other suspects were already prepared, and those persons disappeared immediately. The Nazi commander of Belgium and Netherlands proclaimed that '[t]he surrender of weapons and other implements of war has been ordered by special proclamation.... Hunting guns are [also] to be surrendered ....' Quoting: allisaTX It is probably not true, since Germany did not occupy Czechoslovakia as a whole, but only Czechia. Slovakia remained independent. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27301486 Germany 01/13/2013 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On the first day the Nazis occupied Czechoslovakia, they put up posters in every town ordering the inhabitants to surrender all firearms, including hunting guns. The penalty for disobedience was death. The Nazis were able to use local and central registration records of firearms owners and hunters to execute the decree. Lists of potential dissidents and other suspects were already prepared, and those persons disappeared immediately. The Nazi commander of Belgium and Netherlands proclaimed that '[t]he surrender of weapons and other implements of war has been ordered by special proclamation.... Hunting guns are [also] to be surrendered ....' Quoting: allisaTX This is the constitution of Czechia under german occupation: [link to www.verfassungen.de] I can't find anything about weapons. But I'm looking further. Czechia was part of Germany or Austria for a long time. Prague even had the first german university and was at one time capital of Germany. That is why the occupation was not as unusual as it might seem. |
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(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On the first day the Nazis occupied Czechoslovakia, they put up posters in every town ordering the inhabitants to surrender all firearms, including hunting guns. The penalty for disobedience was death. The Nazis were able to use local and central registration records of firearms owners and hunters to execute the decree. Lists of potential dissidents and other suspects were already prepared, and those persons disappeared immediately. The Nazi commander of Belgium and Netherlands proclaimed that '[t]he surrender of weapons and other implements of war has been ordered by special proclamation.... Hunting guns are [also] to be surrendered ....' Quoting: allisaTX It is probably not true, since Germany did not occupy Czechoslovakia as a whole, but only Czechia. Slovakia remained independent. Interesting wiki article Czechoslovakia went in many directions it seems. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Last Edited by allisaTX on 01/13/2013 04:27 PM |
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(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On the first day the Nazis occupied Czechoslovakia, they put up posters in every town ordering the inhabitants to surrender all firearms, including hunting guns. The penalty for disobedience was death. The Nazis were able to use local and central registration records of firearms owners and hunters to execute the decree. Lists of potential dissidents and other suspects were already prepared, and those persons disappeared immediately. The Nazi commander of Belgium and Netherlands proclaimed that '[t]he surrender of weapons and other implements of war has been ordered by special proclamation.... Hunting guns are [also] to be surrendered ....' Quoting: allisaTX This is the constitution of Czechia under german occupation: [link to www.verfassungen.de] I can't find anything about weapons. But I'm looking further. Czechia was part of Germany or Austria for a long time. Prague even had the first german university and was at one time capital of Germany. That is why the occupation was not as unusual as it might seem. Interesting...very interesting |
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(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 04:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The british also wanted to invade Norway. Germany was just one day earlier. What year did the British want to invade and why? Thanks... The same year 1940. Norway was important to the war effort because it had a lot of resources. I see. Thank you. I will study when England entered the war and why. I am still saddened that war is not about getting bad guys, but about resources. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27301486 Germany 01/13/2013 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27301486 The british also wanted to invade Norway. Germany was just one day earlier. What year did the British want to invade and why? Thanks... The same year 1940. Norway was important to the war effort because it had a lot of resources. I see. Thank you. I will study when England entered the war and why. I am still saddened that war is not about getting bad guys, but about resources. Britain declared war on Germany on September 3rd 1939. They claimed it was because they had to protect Poland. But they never declared war on the Soviet-Union which also invaded Poland. |
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(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks to all who read this and reply. I need to go out for a while. Any good sources, especially books, that I should read I would very much appreciate. I started this thread, because I wanted to know how closely this law is following what is currently happening in our country. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27301486 Germany 01/13/2013 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On the first day the Nazis occupied Czechoslovakia, they put up posters in every town ordering the inhabitants to surrender all firearms, including hunting guns. The penalty for disobedience was death. The Nazis were able to use local and central registration records of firearms owners and hunters to execute the decree. Lists of potential dissidents and other suspects were already prepared, and those persons disappeared immediately. The Nazi commander of Belgium and Netherlands proclaimed that '[t]he surrender of weapons and other implements of war has been ordered by special proclamation.... Hunting guns are [also] to be surrendered Quoting: allisaTX Germans don't put up posters, they make a law. I can't find such a law that orders the confiscation of all weapons. Copy of a hunting permit in Czechia in 1942: [link to goo.gl] I also found this german law that permitted the ownership of hunting guns in Czechia: Jagdschein. Allgemeines. §22. 1)Wer die Jagd ausübt, muß einen auf seinen Namen lautenden, mit einem Paßlichtbild aus neuester Zeit versehenen, im Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren gültigen Jagdschein mit sich führen und diesen auf Verlangen den öffentlichen Sicherheitsorganen sowie den Jagdschutzberechtigten vorzeigen 2)Der Jagdschein für das Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren wird von der unteren Verwaltungsbehörde als Jahresjagdschein für ein ganzes Jagdjahr (1. April bis 31. März) oder als Tagesjagdschein für fünf aufeinanderfolgende Tage erteilt. 3) Der Protektoratsjagdschein gilt im ganzen Gebiet des Protektorates Böhmen und Mähren. Die Gültigkeit von Reichsjahresjagdscheinen im Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren bleibt besonderer Regelung vorbehalten. 4)Die Erteilung eines Protektoratsjagdscheines kann davon abhängig gemacht werden, daß der Bewerber eine Jägerprüfung bestanden hat. 5)Der Jahresjagdschein kann gleichzeitig Waffenschein sein. 6)Die Gültigkeit der vor dem Inkrafttreten dieser Verordnung ausgestellten Jagdscheine wird durch besondere Regierungsverordnung geregelt. Wem der Jagdschein versagt werden muß. §23. Der Jagdschein muß versagt werden: 1. Personen, die nicht als unbedenklich gelten; 2. Personen, die noch nicht 14 Jahre alt sind ; 3. Personen, die entmündigt sind; 4. Personen, die wegen körperlicher oder geistiger Gebrechen unfähig sind, ein Jagdgewehr sicher zu führen; 5. Personen, deren bisheriges Verhalten besorgen läßt, daß sie die Schußwaffe unvorsichtig führen; 6. Personen, denen der Jagdschein entzogen ist, während der Dauer der Entziehung (§58, Abs. 2); 7. Personen, die zu einer Zuchthaus- oder schweren Kerkerstrafe rechtskräftig verurteilt oder die unter Polizeiaufsicht gestellt worden sind, ferner Personen, denen die bürgerlichen Ehrenrechte aberkannt oder die zum Verluste des Gemeindewahlrechtes verurteilt worden sind, wenn seit Verbüßung, Erlaß oder Verjährung der Strafe oder seit dem Zeitpunkte, bis zu dem die Polizeiaufsicht, der Verlust der bürgerlichen Ehrenrechte oder der Verlust des Gemeindewahlrechtes gewährt hat, noch nicht 10 Jahre verflossen sind; 8. Personen, die keine ausreichende Jagdhaftpflichtsversicherung nachweisen; 9. Juden, einschließlich der Geltungsjuden; 10. Personen, die wegen vorsätzlicher Straftaten wider Leib und Leben, wegen Widerstandes oder Gewalttätigkeit gegen öffentlichrechtliche Organe einschließlich der jagdschutzbcrechtigten Personen oder wegen vorsätzlicher Zuwiderhandlung gegen die Vorschriften über das Waffen-, Munitions- und Sprengmittelwesen rechtskräftig verurteilt worden sind. [link to books.google.com] |
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(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 06:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The same year 1940. Norway was important to the war effort because it had a lot of resources. I see. Thank you. I will study when England entered the war and why. I am still saddened that war is not about getting bad guys, but about resources. Britain declared war on Germany on September 3rd 1939. They claimed it was because they had to protect Poland. But they never declared war on the Soviet-Union which also invaded Poland. Interesting. History is fascinating, there are so many parts to the puzzle that need to be looked at from different "angles". Like chess, I'm glad my son wanted to learn how to play when he was young. It gives him an advantage. |
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(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 06:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On the first day the Nazis occupied Czechoslovakia, they put up posters in every town ordering the inhabitants to surrender all firearms, including hunting guns. The penalty for disobedience was death. The Nazis were able to use local and central registration records of firearms owners and hunters to execute the decree. Lists of potential dissidents and other suspects were already prepared, and those persons disappeared immediately. The Nazi commander of Belgium and Netherlands proclaimed that '[t]he surrender of weapons and other implements of war has been ordered by special proclamation.... Hunting guns are [also] to be surrendered Quoting: allisaTX Germans don't put up posters, they make a law. I can't find such a law that orders the confiscation of all weapons. Copy of a hunting permit in Czechia in 1942: [link to goo.gl] I also found this german law that permitted the ownership of hunting guns in Czechia: Jagdschein. Allgemeines. §22. 1)Wer die Jagd ausübt, muß einen auf seinen Namen lautenden, mit einem Paßlichtbild aus neuester Zeit versehenen, im Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren gültigen Jagdschein mit sich führen und diesen auf Verlangen den öffentlichen Sicherheitsorganen sowie den Jagdschutzberechtigten vorzeigen 2)Der Jagdschein für das Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren wird von der unteren Verwaltungsbehörde als Jahresjagdschein für ein ganzes Jagdjahr (1. April bis 31. März) oder als Tagesjagdschein für fünf aufeinanderfolgende Tage erteilt. 3) Der Protektoratsjagdschein gilt im ganzen Gebiet des Protektorates Böhmen und Mähren. Die Gültigkeit von Reichsjahresjagdscheinen im Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren bleibt besonderer Regelung vorbehalten. 4)Die Erteilung eines Protektoratsjagdscheines kann davon abhängig gemacht werden, daß der Bewerber eine Jägerprüfung bestanden hat. 5)Der Jahresjagdschein kann gleichzeitig Waffenschein sein. 6)Die Gültigkeit der vor dem Inkrafttreten dieser Verordnung ausgestellten Jagdscheine wird durch besondere Regierungsverordnung geregelt. Wem der Jagdschein versagt werden muß. §23. Der Jagdschein muß versagt werden: 1. Personen, die nicht als unbedenklich gelten; 2. Personen, die noch nicht 14 Jahre alt sind ; 3. Personen, die entmündigt sind; 4. Personen, die wegen körperlicher oder geistiger Gebrechen unfähig sind, ein Jagdgewehr sicher zu führen; 5. Personen, deren bisheriges Verhalten besorgen läßt, daß sie die Schußwaffe unvorsichtig führen; 6. Personen, denen der Jagdschein entzogen ist, während der Dauer der Entziehung (§58, Abs. 2); 7. Personen, die zu einer Zuchthaus- oder schweren Kerkerstrafe rechtskräftig verurteilt oder die unter Polizeiaufsicht gestellt worden sind, ferner Personen, denen die bürgerlichen Ehrenrechte aberkannt oder die zum Verluste des Gemeindewahlrechtes verurteilt worden sind, wenn seit Verbüßung, Erlaß oder Verjährung der Strafe oder seit dem Zeitpunkte, bis zu dem die Polizeiaufsicht, der Verlust der bürgerlichen Ehrenrechte oder der Verlust des Gemeindewahlrechtes gewährt hat, noch nicht 10 Jahre verflossen sind; 8. Personen, die keine ausreichende Jagdhaftpflichtsversicherung nachweisen; 9. Juden, einschließlich der Geltungsjuden; 10. Personen, die wegen vorsätzlicher Straftaten wider Leib und Leben, wegen Widerstandes oder Gewalttätigkeit gegen öffentlichrechtliche Organe einschließlich der jagdschutzbcrechtigten Personen oder wegen vorsätzlicher Zuwiderhandlung gegen die Vorschriften über das Waffen-, Munitions- und Sprengmittelwesen rechtskräftig verurteilt worden sind. [link to books.google.com] Wow! That is interesting! |
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User ID: 14348632 United States 01/13/2013 07:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re Norway, the Nazis invaded a number of European countries including parts of France and Norway, then set up puppet governments there so the local population would have the illusion of self-governance, but the agenda was dictated from Berlin In Norway, the leader of the puppet goverment was Vidkun Quisling. Quisling was a Nazi collaborator To this day, it is an insult to call someone a "Quisling". It means they are a traitor to their own people [link to en.wikipedia.org] Quisling (pron.: ) is a term used in reference to fascist and collaborationist political parties and military and paramilitary forces in occupied Allied countries which collaborated with Axis occupiers in World War II, as well as for their members and other collaborators. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (Norwegian: [1;] ( listen); 18 July 1887 – 24 October 1945) was a Norwegian politician. On 9 April 1940, with the German invasion of Norway in progress, he seized power in a Nazi-backed coup d'état. From 1942 to 1945 he served as Minister-President, working with the occupying forces. His government, known as the Quisling regime, was dominated by ministers from Nasjonal Samling, the party he founded in 1933. The collaborationist government participated – wittingly or unwittingly – in Germany's Final Solution. Quisling was put on trial during the legal purge in Norway after World War II and found guilty of charges including embezzlement, murder and high treason. He was executed by firing squad at Akershus Fortress, Oslo, on 24 October 1945. During World War II, the word quisling became a synonym for traitor. Last Edited by IssueX on 01/13/2013 07:08 PM |
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(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On the first day the Nazis occupied Czechoslovakia, they put up posters in every town ordering the inhabitants to surrender all firearms, including hunting guns. The penalty for disobedience was death. The Nazis were able to use local and central registration records of firearms owners and hunters to execute the decree. Lists of potential dissidents and other suspects were already prepared, and those persons disappeared immediately. The Nazi commander of Belgium and Netherlands proclaimed that '[t]he surrender of weapons and other implements of war has been ordered by special proclamation.... Hunting guns are [also] to be surrendered Quoting: allisaTX Germans don't put up posters, they make a law. I can't find such a law that orders the confiscation of all weapons. Copy of a hunting permit in Czechia in 1942: [link to goo.gl] I also found this german law that permitted the ownership of hunting guns in Czechia: Jagdschein. Allgemeines. §22. 1)Wer die Jagd ausübt, muß einen auf seinen Namen lautenden, mit einem Paßlichtbild aus neuester Zeit versehenen, im Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren gültigen Jagdschein mit sich führen und diesen auf Verlangen den öffentlichen Sicherheitsorganen sowie den Jagdschutzberechtigten vorzeigen 2)Der Jagdschein für das Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren wird von der unteren Verwaltungsbehörde als Jahresjagdschein für ein ganzes Jagdjahr (1. April bis 31. März) oder als Tagesjagdschein für fünf aufeinanderfolgende Tage erteilt. 3) Der Protektoratsjagdschein gilt im ganzen Gebiet des Protektorates Böhmen und Mähren. Die Gültigkeit von Reichsjahresjagdscheinen im Protektorat Böhmen und Mähren bleibt besonderer Regelung vorbehalten. 4)Die Erteilung eines Protektoratsjagdscheines kann davon abhängig gemacht werden, daß der Bewerber eine Jägerprüfung bestanden hat. 5)Der Jahresjagdschein kann gleichzeitig Waffenschein sein. 6)Die Gültigkeit der vor dem Inkrafttreten dieser Verordnung ausgestellten Jagdscheine wird durch besondere Regierungsverordnung geregelt. Wem der Jagdschein versagt werden muß. §23. Der Jagdschein muß versagt werden: 1. Personen, die nicht als unbedenklich gelten; 2. Personen, die noch nicht 14 Jahre alt sind ; 3. Personen, die entmündigt sind; 4. Personen, die wegen körperlicher oder geistiger Gebrechen unfähig sind, ein Jagdgewehr sicher zu führen; 5. Personen, deren bisheriges Verhalten besorgen läßt, daß sie die Schußwaffe unvorsichtig führen; 6. Personen, denen der Jagdschein entzogen ist, während der Dauer der Entziehung (§58, Abs. 2); 7. Personen, die zu einer Zuchthaus- oder schweren Kerkerstrafe rechtskräftig verurteilt oder die unter Polizeiaufsicht gestellt worden sind, ferner Personen, denen die bürgerlichen Ehrenrechte aberkannt oder die zum Verluste des Gemeindewahlrechtes verurteilt worden sind, wenn seit Verbüßung, Erlaß oder Verjährung der Strafe oder seit dem Zeitpunkte, bis zu dem die Polizeiaufsicht, der Verlust der bürgerlichen Ehrenrechte oder der Verlust des Gemeindewahlrechtes gewährt hat, noch nicht 10 Jahre verflossen sind; 8. Personen, die keine ausreichende Jagdhaftpflichtsversicherung nachweisen; 9. Juden, einschließlich der Geltungsjuden; 10. Personen, die wegen vorsätzlicher Straftaten wider Leib und Leben, wegen Widerstandes oder Gewalttätigkeit gegen öffentlichrechtliche Organe einschließlich der jagdschutzbcrechtigten Personen oder wegen vorsätzlicher Zuwiderhandlung gegen die Vorschriften über das Waffen-, Munitions- und Sprengmittelwesen rechtskräftig verurteilt worden sind. [link to books.google.com] What else have American's been taught that is not true regarding WWII? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 27301486 Germany 01/13/2013 07:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re Norway, the Nazis invaded a number of European countries including parts of France and Norway, then set up puppet governments there so the local population would have the illusion of self-governance, but the agenda was dictated from Berlin Quoting: IssueX In Norway, the leader of the puppet goverment was Vidkun Quisling. Quisling was a Nazi collaborator To this day, it is an insult to call someone a "Quisling". It means they are a traitor to their own people Quisling was not a traitor to Norway. Those politicians who rule Norway today are traitors. 20 years from now Oslo will be a muslim city. This would have not happened under Quisling. |
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allisaTX
(OP) User ID: 25379369 United States 01/13/2013 07:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re Norway, the Nazis invaded a number of European countries including parts of France and Norway, then set up puppet governments there so the local population would have the illusion of self-governance, but the agenda was dictated from Berlin Quoting: IssueX In Norway, the leader of the puppet goverment was Vidkun Quisling. Quisling was a Nazi collaborator To this day, it is an insult to call someone a "Quisling". It means they are a traitor to their own people [link to en.wikipedia.org] Quisling (pron.: ) is a term used in reference to fascist and collaborationist political parties and military and paramilitary forces in occupied Allied countries which collaborated with Axis occupiers in World War II, as well as for their members and other collaborators. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Vidkun Abraham Lauritz Jonssøn Quisling (Norwegian: [1;] ( listen); 18 July 1887 – 24 October 1945) was a Norwegian politician. On 9 April 1940, with the German invasion of Norway in progress, he seized power in a Nazi-backed coup d'état. From 1942 to 1945 he served as Minister-President, working with the occupying forces. His government, known as the Quisling regime, was dominated by ministers from Nasjonal Samling, the party he founded in 1933. The collaborationist government participated – wittingly or unwittingly – in Germany's Final Solution. Quisling was put on trial during the legal purge in Norway after World War II and found guilty of charges including embezzlement, murder and high treason. He was executed by firing squad at Akershus Fortress, Oslo, on 24 October 1945. During World War II, the word quisling became a synonym for traitor. That is interesting. In the case of Norway were shots fired? Was there any indication of a coup? That's what I am concerned about regarding the US. We could have a similiar situation going on here as what you mention above. |
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