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Since 1973, 54.5 million children have been aborted. The population of the USA is 307 million citizens. To compare the two numbers is shocking and so HUGE as to be a recognition of genocide.

One day you discovered you were pregnant. You felt scared, alone, terrified of the financial burden. You were afraid what a pregnancy would do to your relationship. Maybe it was on shaky ground and and you felt a pregnancy would make you lose him.

Maybe you were abused and carrying a child would have been a reminder of that abuse for nine months. So you aborted the baby, but then you discovered that the reminder of the abuse never went away.

You feared the loss of employment if you had the child. That things were so unstable, and “if I have the baby, they'll let me go, find some excuse, and then how will I take care of those I am responsible for?”

Whatever your rationale, the baby is gone because you made the wrong choice.

You weren't alone. Someone helped you to make that decision. They urged you to abort the child.

Some of them worked in a clinic that performs abortions. They actually held your baby in their hands and committed the murder. Some assisted with it. Some did the paperwork.

Some were totally detached about the process because, “Hey, I'm only the accountant. I just accept money for the “procedure” and pay bills.” The cost of the murder of the child was $500. That's the cost of a human life.

Now after reflecting upon your decision or your assistance in the sin against God, yourself, and the child, you feel shame and guilt.

It's impeding your relationship with God. It's making you feel like a terrible person. You can't forgive what you did. You can't justify it. You can't forget it.

Abortion is one of the greatest conspiracies of all time. It's the nullification of human life for money. It the excision of the ramifications of momentary pleasure.

You've tried to forget on your own, but no matter what you do, it won't go away.

All of the Universe was created by God. God made the galaxies, the stars, the planets. God formed the Earth, and at the beginning of Time knew that one day, YOU would be born.

Your birth has been a plan of God's since the moment Time began.

God knows you so intimately that God knows the number of hairs upon your head. You are completely loved by God.

If you decide to stop running, stop evading your past sins, stop being afraid of the darkness and the darkness within you, then you can meet God. It's up to you.

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You must be called to know the Source
Part One

People think that they can find the Source. They look in a book called the Bible. They might attend a church service. Perhaps they go on a spiritual retreat. They explore the wilderness trying to find the Source. They search the eyes of their friends for the Source too.

You cannot find YHWH that way. One could search a whole lifetime and never find YHWH.

Doing so, you will only find glimmers and disappointment in the end. Many fall away because of this, even though they begin with good intentions.

Because people look for the Source that way, and then cannot understand the Bible, then they assume if it a meaningless book.

They go to a church service, see some things which are good and others as hypocrisy and never find the Source.

They go on a spiritual retreat, and though surrounded by passionate believers, they feel lost.

They walk in the woods, and when no one is around, they speak to the Source...even aloud...and silence is the answer.

They see good works in their friends who believe and yet no matter what, they also see that they are human and fallible and the Source does not appear in their midst.

How then to find the Source of All Love?

You must ask to be found by YHWH and called.

John 3:27 To this John replied, "A man can receive only what is given him from heaven.

John 6:44 Jesus said "No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up on the last day.''

John 6:37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away.

John 15:16 You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

We can only draw near to the presence of YHWH if allowed. It is the Source's decision for it to occur.

Don't think you choose to believe in YHWH. First you were known and then called.

If you are not called, then something must be impeding the call to happen.

Have you ever wanted to meet someone, have a relationship with them, and it didn't happen? When that occurred did you get upset ? Maybe the one that you so longed for, that you felt was perfect, that was right for you, and still it didn't occur. Did you then say very negative things in your mind about them? Did you tell other people that that person wasn't any good, anyway? Were things awkward from then on? Now years later, do you find that your mind turns to that special time and “what might have been?”


Is the Source cruel then? Does YHWH evade us? That can't be correct.

What does Jesus say? John 3:3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

What does that mean? What an unusual statement. He's speaking to Nicodemus. Nicodemus was a wise rabbi who was a Pharisee who spent an enormous amount of time searching the Torah and the Prophets looking for the Source. He was respected and a member of the Sanhedrin, the council of those with special authority. He also was kind to Jesus (Yeshua) and we know later that he did special things when Jesus died. At his own expense he made burial arrangements. If there was one good man in Jerusalem, then everyone would have assumed it was Nicodemus.

Jesus says he must do one thing...be born again, and then he shall see the Kingdom of God. That seems like a paradox until you read the entire chapter. Jesus has come, not to condemn. The world condemns you. Mean cruel people condemn you. Maybe your parents condemn you.

Jesus saves you.

You have been swallowed by the darkness. You are fearful of the Light of the Source. It exposed your darkness within. The only way is....shhhh it's secret:

John 3:19-21 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. “But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

Fear of exposure. That is what is impeding you.

When we decide that we will practice truth and be born again, then YHWH allow us to see the Kingdom of God. Only then will you be found by the Source of All Life.

The impediment is YOU, not God. Being born again is the door to discovering the Source.

Jesus is here to save us from the darkness. When the collapse comes, the we will need Him. The only way is stop being afraid of being exposed for the darkness in our hearts, and then practice truth so we can see the Kingdom of God.
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what about 2 abortions?
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what about 2 abortions?
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With God, all things are possible. With humans, we tear ourselves to pieces because of our sins.

In the Bible, you have heard "Thou shall not kill." over and over. But what it says truly is "Thou shall not murder.".

The actual Hebrew word is "tear to pieces".

When we tear ourselves up, we murder ourselves. When we abort a child, it often is torn to pieces, did you know that?

God can forgive your sins. You must ask for God to call you and to forgive your sins.

If you are afraid of your sins being exposed, it impedes God from approaching you.

God is all powerful, that Love can penetrate the coldest dead heart, but God will not force Love on you.

God made Free Will. Your Free Will is a barrier. As long as you focus on the sin, and not giving the sin to God to forgive, then God can't forgive it.

You are clinging to it so tightly that YOU are stopping forgiveness from happening.

Let God in.
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[link to www.greatbiblestudy.com]

God doesn't condemn you. The Darkness condemns you.

All of those negative thoughts. All of that garbage people pile up on your shoulders...it is evil. It doesn't come from God.

God is Love made perfect. In God there is no darkness at all.

People will try to persuade you there is no God. They will try to make you feel small and insignificant. They will try to make you feel terrible for your sins.

NO!

That doesn't come from God. Please read what the Bible really says.

Learn to ask God for forgiveness, and then spend the rest of your life practicing Truth. Be convicted not of your sin, but of the magnificent love of God which can bear away your sorrow. Then seeking forgiveness, decide to be a person who will be devoted to God.

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Here is one way to invite God to call you

I want to risk saying it aloud. You may feel silly. It's okay to feel silly. It's better than destroying your soul by repeating your sins and feeling torn to pieces. Your fear of God and your entire focus on self-loathing of your sins...it's killing you.

"I am a wicked person. I have done terrible things. I know I have. I want you to love me and forgive me. I know God that you're real. You are Ultimate Reality. You created me. You know me and you know my sin."

"Please forgive me. I want to know you. I want to have a relationship with you. Please call me and make yourself known and I will search for you."

"I will tell you my sins. I won't hide them. My sins are______"

Spend time telling God your sins. Try to say as many as you can think of. Don't be afraid.

God is waiting. Patiently waiting for YOU.

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get a life

teehee

pun totally intended btw
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OP do you support birth control methods. If so you are just as bad as the pro-abortionist.
 Quoting: Aleph Tav

Why are you so focuses upon me? You should remove the log from your eyes first then the speck from mine.

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.Matthew 7:5

Condemnation does not come from God. It comes from Satan. Don't do Satan's work.

I don't use birth control by taking or using anything. Don't make assumptions. How sad it is for someone who is pretending to be a Christian to condemn a brother or sister.

If one is married, one can measure the basal temperature, look at the vaginal mucus, and carefully avoid making love on certain days and avoid pregnancy with an accuracy which exceeds 97%. See my sig for a long discussion of that simple process.

But that is not the issue. The issue is helping people find God and be forgiven and enter into a relationship of love.
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get a life

teehee

pun totally intended btw
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Humor is good and cleaning to the soul. Even if you don't believe, then people of different belief systems can find common ground. We should for we are here on the Earth together.

But perhaps in time, if you risk reading the things I point out, then maybe you'll open a Bible, visit a church, and ask God to call you.

It costs you nothing. If you don't do it, it may cost you EVERYTHING.

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That's pretty intense. What's your spiel for returning soldiers who have killed and maimed people in wars? Or is what they do okay because they are men?
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No, for soldiers may be women, and all of us are responsible for the deaths caused by soldiers. Is that not true? If your nation sends soldiers to war, did you not pay for it? Even if you didn't agree, they represent you.

Don't assume that soldiers sin more than you. That would be condemning them. I have studied Holy Scripture for many decades. Jesus told soldiers not to "opress" others. He didn't say to stop being soldiers. I wrote a long defense of soldiers and law enforcement here:
Thread: What God's Word Says About Self Defense (Page 4)

Read that first and then ask me more please.

You may disagree with me. That's fine. When two people are considerate and struggle with meaning and can have a dialogue then we discover our differences.

It's not that I am right and you are wrong. Only God is Right. We may be right or wrong about certain things.

It's awful to harm or be harmed in war. It's awful to kill. People have been soldiers or law enforcement since time began. They have harmed others since Cain and Abel.

The heart of Jesus teaching is this:
"29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. 30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:29-31

Read Mark 12:28-34. We are meant to love our neighbor as ourselves. When we abort a child, we fail to do that. When we say a harsh word, we harm ourselves. When we strike another, we harm outselves.

We are called to turn the other cheek ultimately, and we will pay for our sins unless we ask forgiveness.

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I appreciate your point. You put it nicely and with some understanding of the pressures these women faced.

But the reality is would a extra 54 million people growing up supported by welfare, and therefore incredibly limited choices in their future lifes help anyone?

If god creates life and your " path " - clearly he realised the end effects and there was a reason for it.

Just makes me laugh that the religious find he has his " mysterious ways " for an excuse of why he allows children to be raped, wars to pillage, etc etc - yet apparently he totally had no Idea that the women would need to end these pregnancies. Maybe there was lessons, strength, the ability to put another above their own selfish needs to be learnt here?

Personally it has been going on since time began - the only difference is now it is done without harm to the woman.

Bottom line is - the world would NOT be able to support the exta 54 million and all they bred from there when the women accepted they could not support the child to the means it deserved.

Any child from a welfare mother will NEVER have all it deserves in life, or the opportunities others do. Harsh reality most want to ignore - but the bottom line truth.

I think these women were the stronger, less selfish of those placed in this position - and just MAYBE so does this God!

Please no gramma natzis - I do not have the time to re read and perfect ... it is not going to be published just a personal opinion on a net site ;o~~
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OP do you support birth control methods. If so you are just as bad as the pro-abortionist.
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All of you idiots are just as bad as each other.

You condemn abortion, and yet won't stop overpopulating.

Birth control is the responsibility of all civilized humans.
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If you study birth control deeply, then examine why people use birth control, then much of the time, it's about the failure of respect for each other. Being intimate is about love and closeness and merging your soul with another so deeply as to become one.

It is a very beautiful gift from God. Sexual pleasure is a gift of joy. It is special and should be saved for people who are married so they can protect each other and protect the children who may be born of their joy.

But people are careless. They give away something precious to unworthy people. How many times have you made love, and then thought, "Oh they are not the person I thought they were. They are cruel and unworthy of my love. I regret being so close to them." ?

Other times terrible sickness happens because we trusted that the other person was honest and carefully protected themselves. Instead they frequently had shared another's intimacy and so caught that sickness. They need our compassion so we can heal them, for Jesus said that healing others was our responsibility as Christians.

Prudent lovemaking between married people can be very safe and not cause pregnancy if they wish to avoid it on certain days. It's very simple. But most people are not careful.

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I appreciate your point. You put it nicely and with some understanding of the pressures these women faced.

But the reality is would a extra 54 million people growing up supported by welfare, and therefore incredibly limited choices in their future lifes help anyone?

If god creates life and your " path " - clearly he realised the end effects and there was a reason for it.

Just makes me laugh that the religious find he has his " mysterious ways " for an excuse of why he allows children to be raped, wars to pillage, etc etc - yet apparently he totally had no Idea that the women would need to end these pregnancies. Maybe there was lessons, strength, the ability to put another above their own selfish needs to be learnt here?

Personally it has been going on since time began - the only difference is now it is done without harm to the woman.

Bottom line is - the world would NOT be able to support the exta 54 million and all they bred from there when the women accepted they could not support the child to the means it deserved.

Any child from a welfare mother will NEVER have all it deserves in life, or the opportunities others do. Harsh reality most want to ignore - but the bottom line truth.

I think these women were the stronger, less selfish of those placed in this position - and just MAYBE so does this God!

Please no gramma natzis - I do not have the time to re read and perfect ... it is not going to be published just a personal opinion on a net site ;o~~
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Thank you for your thoughtful reply. You are right, having too many unwanted children is not a good thing. As a Christian, I want every birth to be a celebration of that child's glorious innocence and also a lifetime commitment to caring and raising them with all care.

If people would carefully manage the time they choose to make love, then we wouldn't have 54.5 million deaths. Maybe we can't eliminate it, but could we lower the amount each year, and so less and less abortions happen.

Could we also with equal force help each woman to safely have good nutrition, health care, a tender considerate husband, good mental care, strong job skills so they may have a better life, more home ownership, a deep spiritual relationship, clean water, etc?

A lot of pro-life people are only focuses on abortion. That's a mistake. The real compassion is found in commitment to caring for all human beings and other species so we can make the Earth a Paradise.

A lot of pro-choice people are too focuses on choice and not responsibility. Again read the paragraph above. It's about commitment not choice.

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Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15

A lot of people murder others in their minds simply because they disagree with them. Just because you don't agree, you slay them by your words, thoughts, and actions.

Don't condemn others. It is as bad as abortion.

What does Jesus tell us to do?

"Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them." Luke 11:46

Jesus desires that those who study the Bible understand the Bible and His words. We are to take off the burdens that other's carry and not heap more on top of them.

"Praise be to the Lord, to God our Savior, who daily bears our burdens." Psalm 68:19

"Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ." Galatians 6:2

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Shamanistic vision would tell you, the spirit does not enter the body until birth, and forces the first breath...

Prior to that, the body is entirely dependent on the mothers sysytem and is not an individual...

Aborting this baby, is not killing an individual...

BTW, the bible lies when it comes to the nature of existence... It has an agenda, and among other things, it wants you to keep the births coming...
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Shamanistic vision would tell you, the spirit does not enter the body until birth, and forces the first breath...

Prior to that, the body is entirely dependent on the mothers sysytem and is not an individual...

Aborting this baby, is not killing an individual...

BTW, the bible lies when it comes to the nature of existence... It has an agenda, and among other things, it wants you to keep the births coming...
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Perhaps, do you not also have an agenda by writing what you think. That doesn't devalue the meaning.

I disagree about the soul only entering at birth. What proof do you have for that thought? Does it come from an alternative spiritual system?
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WTF just happened here.. the OP post a question as to sexual proclivities.. I enter a discussion about abortion.

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Errr how does a baby come to be created? Is it not pertinent to abortion?
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Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15

A lot of people murder others in their minds simply because they disagree with them. Just because you don't agree, you slay them by your words, thoughts, and actions.

Don't condemn others. It is as bad as abortion.

What does Jesus tell us to do?

"Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them." Luke 11:46

Jesus desires that those who study the Bible understand the Bible and His words. We are to take off the burdens that other's carry and not heap more on top of them.

"Praise be to the Lord, to God our Savior, who daily bears our burdens." Psalm 68:19

"Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ." Galatians 6:2

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What this is really talking about is a financial system...

The symbol of jesus as a saviour is in actuality an insurance mechanism to cover the financial burdens... Burdens you incured, sin, original sin, because you did not make the full return to the principal... You bit the apple, a royal gala apple, 8 seeds, and your seeds were cast out...

For lack of better words - peoples interpretation of the bible, and literally believing this is the word of god and his son - are duped beyond belief...
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There is no mention of any word in the Greek or Hebrew which has to do with money or finances in those texts above. As such, your supposition is false.

You're trying to foist your ideas about the world onto the Bible, and failing to persuade because it's illogical. It's also irrelevent to the conversation.

I'm sure you have good ideas and I hope you'll participate but using some decorum and equal respect for others in the same way that I also expect people to respect others.

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You're too stupid to live, idiot from Canada
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You make no sense, please back away from the drugs...

Come back, when you have gained some intelligence...
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Ego relitard
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Isn't it tragic that we have to reply upon chest thumping and pejoratives instead of logic and intelligent discourse? We might instead learn about each other and find common ground.

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Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life in him. 1 John 3:15

A lot of people murder others in their minds simply because they disagree with them. Just because you don't agree, you slay them by your words, thoughts, and actions.

Don't condemn others. It is as bad as abortion.

What does Jesus tell us to do?

"Jesus replied, "And you experts in the law, woe to you, because you load people down with burdens they can hardly carry, and you yourselves will not lift one finger to help them." Luke 11:46

Jesus desires that those who study the Bible understand the Bible and His words. We are to take off the burdens that other's carry and not heap more on top of them.

"Praise be to the Lord, to God our Savior, who daily bears our burdens." Psalm 68:19

"Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ." Galatians 6:2

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What this is really talking about is a financial system...

The symbol of jesus as a saviour is in actuality an insurance mechanism to cover the financial burdens... Burdens you incured, sin, original sin, because you did not make the full return to the principal... You bit the apple, a royal gala apple, 8 seeds, and your seeds were cast out...

For lack of better words - peoples interpretation of the bible, and literally believing this is the word of god and his son - are duped beyond belief...
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There is no mention of any word in the Greek or Hebrew which has to do with money or finances in those texts above. As such, your supposition is false.

You're trying to foist your ideas about the world onto the Bible, and failing to persuade because it's illogical. It's also irrelevent to the conversation.

I'm sure you have good ideas and I hope you'll participate but using some decorum and equal respect for others in the same way that I also expect people to respect others.
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Ok, I am going to leave the thread...

But, before I go, I want to leave you with this - the bible has everything to do with the financial system... Understanding it as such will boost at least your financial life tremendously...

But quoting the bible when trying to understand the nature of existence, will lead you down countless dead ends...
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Bye and God Bless you.
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Isn't it tragic that we have to reply upon chest thumping and pejoratives instead of logic and intelligent discourse. We might instead learn about each other and find common ground.
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U realy cant see what ur doing?
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Isn't it tragic that we have to reply upon chest thumping and pejoratives instead of logic and intelligent discourse. We might instead learn about each other and find common ground.
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U realy cant see what ur doing?
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If you feel I am doing something, then why not write a long reply of what I am doing? My intention is kindness, respect, and seeing the goodness in every soul. I won't judge anyone. I want people to find a place to find relief from the constant guilt and shame they feel. I won't put burdens on anyone. If anything I want to remove burdens.
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would it be different to let them be born and then force them into modern slavery ( today and in the future ) or indoctrinate them to be killer machines since there will be plenty of wars in the not so far away future....
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would it be different to let them be born and then force them into modern slavery ( today and in the future ) or indoctrinate them to be killer machines since there will be plenty of wars in the not so far away future....
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That's a dark world view. If you believe that, then there's no Hope, no Goodness, just perpetual night and Darkness (Evil).

Instead I think the world is a place of Wonder, Joy, and Hope. But we ruin it by treating each other with Hate and Fear.

Why not try to help others by carrying their burdens a little? Teach people skills so they can be stronger? Feed someone who is hungry for someone once fed you when you were a child?

That's how to find Hope and also on that journey is God.
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If watch this, you don't hate the woman, you want to comfort her, care for her, and help assuage the overwhelming guilt and shame. The only way to do that is by asking God for forgiveness.

Otherwise she will live with her decision the rest of her life.

23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God Romans 3:23

It's not about blaming. It's not about calling them murderers. It's not about choice. It's about trying to help the mother make a better decision, supporting them before and after, and finding ways to heal.

We all have sinned. We cannot judge them. Don't condemn them. Help them and the best way is to lift their burdens.

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If you had an abortion, or caused someone to have an abortion, here's a good Psalm to read to help you find God again.
Psalm 139
"139 O Lord, You have searched me and known me.
2 You know my sitting down and my rising up;
You understand my thought afar off.
3 You comprehend my path and my lying down,
And are acquainted with all my ways.
4 For there is not a word on my tongue,
But behold, O Lord, You know it altogether.
5 You have hedged me behind and before,
And laid Your hand upon me.
6 Such knowledge is too wonderful for me;
It is high, I cannot attain it.

7 Where can I go from Your Spirit?
Or where can I flee from Your presence?
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.
9 If I take the wings of the morning,
And dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea,
10 Even there Your hand shall lead me,
And Your right hand shall hold me.
11 If I say, “Surely the darkness shall fall[a] on me,”
Even the night shall be light about me;
12 Indeed, the darkness shall not hide from You,
But the night shines as the day;
The darkness and the light are both alike to You.

13 For You formed my inward parts;
You covered me in my mother’s womb.
14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them."
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Can't wait till medical technology is able to turn off reproduction through the water supply.
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Can't wait till medical technology is able to turn off reproduction through the water supply.
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You do realize that because women take oral contraceptives, that all of us who drink city water get a dose of progesterone and estrogen. It's possibly and plausibly why 10 year old girls are developing breast tissue and why a lot of people are ill.

What you're wishing for is already happening and likely making people sick.
[link to www.webmd.com]
The link is from authoritative medical site.
""Ever since the late 1990s, the science community has recognized that pharmaceuticals, especially oral contraceptives, are found in sewage water and are potentially contaminating drinking water," Janssen tells WebMD.

Concern among scientists increased when fish in the Potomac River and elsewhere were found to have both male and female characteristics when exposed to estrogen-like substances, she says. For instance, some fish had both testes and an ovary, she says.

Scientists starting looking at the effects of oral contraceptives first, she says. "Now analyses have expanded to look at other drugs," Janssen says."

[link to www.msnbc.msn.com]

" The changes in Kiera’s body scared her parents. Though the 8-year-old seemed her usual chipper self, she’d started to develop headaches and acne. More alarming to her mom, Sharon, were the budding breasts on Kiera’s thin little chest.

“I thought, she’s too young,” remembers the Pittsburgh mom. “She’s still fearful about sleeping by herself. An 8-year-old just isn’t mature enough to handle this.”

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So what if abortion ends life?
[link to www.salon.com]

This is one of the most gut-wrenching careless pro-choice responses I have ever read. The writer simply doesn't care. It's so callous as to make one incredulous.

In the end, I feel certain she will be filled with regret. I hope that somehow she find redemption. She is directly leading women and men into Darkness.
"Here’s the complicated reality in which we live: All life is not equal. That’s a difficult thing for liberals like me to talk about, lest we wind up looking like death-panel-loving, kill-your-grandma-and-your-precious-baby storm troopers. Yet a fetus can be a human life without having the same rights as the woman in whose body it resides. She’s the boss. Her life and what is right for her circumstances and her health should automatically trump the rights of the non-autonomous entity inside of her. Always."





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