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DontBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 30524368 Norway 02/06/2013 11:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER I am not looking at any persepective at all. I am looking at right now =) Im not talking about this whole world, or everything looked upon as a whole. I want to know why I need balance to be happy? It makes absolutely no sense to me at all =) Regular people need balance. Spirituality is all about overcoming balance. seeking a high(happy) is reactivity to experiencing a low. Can you proove this? Because i know that after my 3 years of studying the human brain i NEVER found any truth to that =) how hard did you study?what did you study? Thread: Does it feel like your life is going in the wrong direction??? Take a look at the videos ive posted if you are interested =) |
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AI User ID: 33096168 United States 02/06/2013 11:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First of all i just want to start out by saying that im not here to make anyone upset or angry. Neither am i doing this to confuse you, or to pick on your beliefs. My motives are my own =) All i want is a good discussion. Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER Here goes; Why do almost all spiritual people say that we need ''balance''? Why is this a ''slogan'' ? Why do people say that we cant have too much of a feeling, because it needs to be balanced? I just cant find a logical answer for this, i seriously cant! And im really starting to belive that this is just pure bullshit. Bullshit to put us down! Bullshit to fool us away from our true powers. The balance you are talking about is everywhere around you. This world is in a ''negative mess'' at the moment, you are the opposite catalysator of joy, and this is the ''balance''. You dont need x amount of negativity to be spirituality positive! "Why do almost all spiritual people say that we need ''balance''?" Too much or not enough of certain elements would erroneous, just enough would be correct. For example: When you shower, if the water is too hot you will be burned, too cold, immense discomfort. Results - dis-beneficial Warm is the balance. "Why do people say that we cant have too much of a feeling, because it needs to be balanced?" Too much or not enough emotion is erroneous. - + - |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26795689 United States 02/06/2013 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you don't like the term 'balance' there are other words that convey the same or similar meaning. Try these on for size: equilibrium harmony symmetry :greenkarma: One way I perceive the term 'balance' or 'equilibrium' being appropriate is the fact that even when you adopt & internalize a spiritually-based (non-physical) awareness or mindset, you still find yourself immersed in a physical realm and must live within the confines of a physical vessel. So finding a healthy 'balance' or 'equilibrium' between your spiritual awareness & your ongoing temporary physical experience (with all its limitations) is often recommended. Perhaps are you associating (linking) the term 'balance' with the concept of 'duality' and your differing conceptualizations of those terms is what's creating the conflict for you? Personally, I use those words to convey different meanings and don't mix the two. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33768594 United States 02/06/2013 11:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why not separate your mind from emotions, then you don't need anything to be happy. to seek happiness is for selfish apes Quoting: Xeno00000 Like mentioned many times already, this is NOT about me, so please stop trying to be my psychologist. I dont need it =) Correct! But why do i need balance to be happy? Are you saying that a major imbalance on the positive side should be cured by negativity to become balanced? Why is the question about the balance? Why should we balance? Is happiness a result of balance? So these people who preach balance, who are clueless to all of the imbalance, should STFU!!! Quoting: Xeno00000 Hmmm =) Happiness is a natural state. Do you think a dog only feels happy because he's aware of balance or imbalance? As soon as you try to understand happiness, it becomes contrived and unnatural. True happiness or joy is immediate and unfiltered and a natural state of existence. How can you feel happy when you're obviously in your mind trying to understand how happiness works? Happiness happens on the feeling level, not on the intellectual level. Animals can be happy and they probably don't think about why they're happy. |
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DontBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 30524368 Norway 02/06/2013 11:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you don't like the term 'balance' there are other words that convey the same or similar meaning. Try these on for size: Quoting: ANHEDONIC equilibrium harmony symmetry Hi there mate =) Its not that i dont like the term balance or that i need another word for it. I just dont understand the importance of it? I dont see why it is needed. When i became spiritual awake i learned to live in the now. And you cant balance the now, you can only do so if you live in the past or future. One way I perceive the term 'balance' or 'equilibrium' being appropriate is the fact that even when you adopt & internalize a spiritually-based (non-physical) awareness or mindset, you still find yourself immersed in a physical realm and must live within the confines of a physical vessel. So finding a healthy 'balance' or 'equilibrium' between your spiritual awareness & your ongoing temporary physical experience (with all its limitations) is often recommended. Quoting: ANHEDONIC I understand where you are trying to go with this but i still dont agree ^^ When i woke up, i died from within. All of that is gone. If i am me 100% of the time, i dont need balance =) I follow my gut feeling! What i always knew as truth! Perhaps are you associating (linking) the term 'balance' with the concept of 'duality' and your differing conceptualizations of those terms is what's creating the conflict for you? Personally, I use those words to convey different meanings and don't mix the two. Quoting: ANHEDONIC Hehe nope =) But i remember that those 2 words put me off in the beginning ^^ They are easy to mix =) |
DontBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 30524368 Norway 02/06/2013 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice topic, OP. Quoting: Deaf Cat in the Blue Hat This preaching phenomena of having perpetual balance in one's life is new to me - perhaps because I don't read too much into subject matter that my opinions of have yet to be challenged well. Perhaps the lesson went through too many rounds of a telephone game. It's not having balance that's important - it's simply understanding it. Understand that the things you do that bring you happiness often times are done at the expense of bringing others sadness or taking away from their happiness. The way you put it from a broader perspective, "This world is in a ''negative mess'' at the moment, you are the opposite catalysator of joy, and this is the ''balance''." is the same point to be made :) Your comment about many spiritually 'awake' individuals probably being much less so than they would like to think makes sense in the context. Someone who's not awake would not realize the dualistic causality of everything we do. They would fail to understand the bad that comes with the good, and would apply the teachings erroneously by purposefully committing bad acts to balance. This resonates also with research studies that have shown consumers who buy 'green' products display a distinctly higher proclivity to cheating in games and skills tests when given an open door to cheat. Maybe this is what we get for trying to wake a narcissistic society to the notion of karma? ;) If spiritual people ought to be preaching in regards to balance, it would be better served for them to apply it to a more thorough understanding of the balance between desires and necessities. Focusing conscious intent on keeping those two aspects of life balanced (as opposed to trying to force a balance of right/wrong or good/bad) is far more productive. Elemental balance from an alchemical standpoint is an entirely different matter of discussion and is something that everyone truly does need in their lives. Most manage well enough with slumbering intuition alone, but being able to recognize and correct an imbalance before it manifests through consequence is a rather valuable asset to have :) Desires and necessities is key =) Very good post! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33768594 United States 02/06/2013 11:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you don't like the term 'balance' there are other words that convey the same or similar meaning. Try these on for size: Quoting: ANHEDONIC equilibrium harmony symmetry :greenkarma: Hi there mate =) Its not that i dont like the term balance or that i need another word for it. I just dont understand the importance of it? I dont see why it is needed. When i became spiritual awake i learned to live in the now. And you cant balance the now, you can only do so if you live in the past or future. One way I perceive the term 'balance' or 'equilibrium' being appropriate is the fact that even when you adopt & internalize a spiritually-based (non-physical) awareness or mindset, you still find yourself immersed in a physical realm and must live within the confines of a physical vessel. So finding a healthy 'balance' or 'equilibrium' between your spiritual awareness & your ongoing temporary physical experience (with all its limitations) is often recommended. Quoting: ANHEDONIC I understand where you are trying to go with this but i still dont agree ^^ When i woke up, i died from within. All of that is gone. If i am me 100% of the time, i dont need balance =) I follow my gut feeling! What i always knew as truth! Perhaps are you associating (linking) the term 'balance' with the concept of 'duality' and your differing conceptualizations of those terms is what's creating the conflict for you? Personally, I use those words to convey different meanings and don't mix the two. Quoting: ANHEDONIC Hehe nope =) But i remember that those 2 words put me off in the beginning ^^ They are easy to mix =) If you were truly awakened you would not have these questions. You would know. You may be one of the 99% who think and claim they are awake. |
DontBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 30524368 Norway 02/06/2013 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Happiness is a natural state. Do you think a dog only feels happy because he's aware of balance or imbalance? As soon as you try to understand happiness, it becomes contrived and unnatural. True happiness or joy is immediate and unfiltered and a natural state of existence. How can you feel happy when you're obviously in your mind trying to understand how happiness works? Happiness happens on the feeling level, not on the intellectual level. Animals can be happy and they probably don't think about why they're happy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33768594 Happiness is NOT only a natural state, its also a choice! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33768594 United States 02/06/2013 11:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Happiness is a natural state. Do you think a dog only feels happy because he's aware of balance or imbalance? As soon as you try to understand happiness, it becomes contrived and unnatural. True happiness or joy is immediate and unfiltered and a natural state of existence. How can you feel happy when you're obviously in your mind trying to understand how happiness works? Happiness happens on the feeling level, not on the intellectual level. Animals can be happy and they probably don't think about why they're happy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33768594 Happiness is NOT only a natural state, its also a choice! Sure. You can choose to be natural. |
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DontBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 30524368 Norway 02/06/2013 11:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Happiness is a natural state. Do you think a dog only feels happy because he's aware of balance or imbalance? As soon as you try to understand happiness, it becomes contrived and unnatural. True happiness or joy is immediate and unfiltered and a natural state of existence. How can you feel happy when you're obviously in your mind trying to understand how happiness works? Happiness happens on the feeling level, not on the intellectual level. Animals can be happy and they probably don't think about why they're happy. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33768594 Happiness is NOT only a natural state, its also a choice! Sure. You can choose to be natural. So you are saying that its never a choice? I already agreed to the natural part you know =) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26795689 United States 02/06/2013 11:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi there mate =) Quoting: DontBeAfraidEVER Its not that i dont like the term balance or that i need another word for it. I just dont understand the importance of it? I dont see why it is needed. When i became spiritual awake i learned to live in the now. And you cant balance the now, you can only do so if you live in the past or future. I understand where you are trying to go with this but i still dont agree ^^ When i woke up, i died from within. All of that is gone. If i am me 100% of the time, i dont need balance =) I follow my gut feeling! What i always knew as truth! Hey! Question, is english your first language? Only reason I'm asking is that I see you're from Norway and I wonder if there are language and/or cultural influences that could a lead to different conceptualizations or associations surrounding this term? The reason I say that is that I cannot really understand the context in which you are viewing this term. Words only hold the 'meaning' that the individual chooses to affix to them so there can be no universal meaning behind a word, it's dependent on the user. I get the 'living in the now' as well as the 'dying from within' references you alluded to but I'm not understaning how you are connecting those notions to the discussion at hand? Can you elaborate? |
DontBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 30524368 Norway 02/06/2013 11:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey! Quoting: ANHEDONIC Question, is english your first language? Only reason I'm asking is that I see you're from Norway and I wonder if there are language and/or cultural influences that could a lead to different conceptualizations or associations surrounding this term? The reason I say that is that I cannot really understand the context in which you are viewing this term. Words only hold the 'meaning' that the individual chooses to affix to them so there can be no universal meaning behind a word, it's dependent on the user. I get the 'living in the now' as well as the 'dying from within' references you alluded to but I'm not understaning how you are relating those notions to this term? Can you elaborate? English isnt my first language, but i can assure you that there is no language misunderstanding here. If there is one, its the lack of me describing it =) Heres a good example from another thread of mine; CURIOSITY KILLED THE CAT YOUR SON OF A BITCH. YOU ARE THE CAT ALSO. SINCE "ALL IS ONE". Quoting: Holy Holy Holy postscript, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32153937 Curiosity will absolutely fuck you up without basic understanding of what you are to engage. Sure thing.. I let go of fear by letting go of this illusion, not fighting the system anymore. I had a long way before I was able to be myself more and more every day. That takes courage!!! I also know I can not tell others what to do.. they have their own path and when they are ready, they will let go and being their authentic self again. I know what you are trying to do and for some it will help, but a lot of people just do not understand.. not understand the fear you mean. For instance.. I feared I could loose my youngest child during his surgeries.. but I do not fear this world, the so called powers that were/leaders etc. I just wanted to share my experiences, because if you let go of fear, you also need to balance, otherwise you could really loose yourself.. but eventualy it is what it is, whatever will be.. Quoting: Ministar |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29804770 United States 02/07/2013 12:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When it comes to emotions you can feel anything you want when ever you want with practice. Why balance these emotions? Feeling any emotion for too long you become accustomed or tolerant to it's effects like building an tolerance. To refresh or balance these emotions use other emotions or counter emotions. Another reason for maintaining balance instead of constant bliss type feelings is for increase in brain functions as emotions require a lot of processing power. This is why many meditate to achieve a similar low mind processing state to increase reflexes etc. Balance in short, because these things are tools to be used and every tool has it's use. |
DontBeAfraidEVER
(OP) User ID: 30524368 Norway 02/07/2013 12:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When it comes to emotions you can feel anything you want when ever you want with practice. Why balance these emotions? Feeling any emotion for too long you become accustomed or tolerant to it's effects like building an tolerance. To refresh or balance these emotions use other emotions or counter emotions. Another reason for maintaining balance instead of constant bliss type feelings is for increase in brain functions as emotions require a lot of processing power. This is why many meditate to achieve a similar low mind processing state to increase reflexes etc. Quoting: Coma Patient #7 Balance in short, because these things are tools to be used and every tool has it's use. You can never become accustomed to a feeling or an emotion, that is just not true =) If that was true, depressed people would cure themselves in due time, when the negativity ''wore'' off. Its not this simple =) Last Edited by DontBeAfraidEVER on 02/07/2013 12:50 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 33292068 Mexico 02/07/2013 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are here and chose to come here as a soul so you could be in material form and experience love, joy, empathy and happiness, but when you arrived, man had already hijacked this concept and forced you instead to feel pain, fear, hatred and other negative feelings, and unless you chose to live the false ideals, you become ostricized because you don't 'fit in'. The test on earth is to see if you can maintainnthe true feelings you came here with, whilst all around you, the corrupt and evil ones try to tempt you with falsehoods of grandeur. You are a free entity and you can still play the game without losing your true ideals, no matter what is said or done, and in doing so, you become ever more connected with the source. Evil hates displays of affection and love and you should therefore show this as much as you can, by being of service to others as well as yourself. Fuck the balance and tempering your inner voice, that is all you have, and upon trusting that alone, you will be connecting with the light and this little world is nothing compared to the universe and beyond. Of course spirituality has been hijacked, but only by those who do not see the truth, who are willing to place their trust in others rather than in themselves, so just believe in yourself and remember everyone is here to learn not dominate. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 904314 Canada 02/07/2013 01:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Of course spirituality has been hijacked, but only by those who do not see the truth, who are willing to place their trust in others rather than in themselves, so just believe in yourself and remember everyone is here to learn not dominate. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33292068 Let's just say that if everyone suddenly started being "enlightened", TPTB would end up with nothing to do and no one to lead! Enter new-age, distorted versions of ancient teachings. |
balanceisagoodthing User ID: 1511080 United States 02/07/2013 01:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Addictions to chemicals generated by the body is still addictions Quoting: Anonymous Coward 904314 But new-agers have it wrong too anyway, it's not "Balance", it's "The middle way" Why is it the middle way? I thought it was about MY way =) Not too hot, not too cold! The middle way! The point is to be able to deal with things as they are without being blinded by flares of whatever emotional responses, in order to not have to waste time thinking, just direct and proper function with proper wisdom. I thought spirituality was about being able to control your own mind. So why do we need slogans like this? Why, why , why do i need to feel ''hate'' in my life to express love? Why cant i as a spiritual being control this myself? I definetly should be able to from what it takes to get here. I feel that this rule is saying that whatever you learned is bullshit, now go live your life as you did before =) If i put it very long out on the edge that is ^^ i dont know about rules or care for belief systems of others such as spiritual or so on but the truth of the matter is.. once youv experienced the height of all the spiritual experience you only end up in the same point you where before it all started only this time you are aware of how the illusion works and know not to fall to the false belief systems and learn to do it your way.. that is of course if you passed the mastery test.. if not its a whole nother cycle for you to maybe just maybe try and get it right this time.. and these thinkers you speak of i am guessing you are referring to consciousness if so then there would be no fun without consciousness as you would be unaware of the experience and have no awareness.. no?? think about it for a sec.. lol.. relax.. just tell me what your heart says to that then.. either way it is still thought.. where it originates from should be where one is seated within themselves in the first place.. now any more questions before i go cause im really not here to teach or anything im just here letting you know that the experience has a whole lot to offer once over and there is a big difference once you have already come to full circle.. yeh in the illusion level it may seem like nothing has moved.. but if you knew how far and deep one has traveled from the start to the end then you might begin to realize just what the experience was all about in the first place.. but everyone has their own experience and i dont want to express mine any longer as it will only be used by some other to promote a new belief or system which really couldnt ever be known by another unless they had walked in my shoes.. right? but the balance people speak of is maybe regarding extremes of any end of the spectrum will lead to destruction as all extremes are wrong and are harmful in one way or the other.. without balance a ship would sink.. without balance you wouldnt be able to walk properly.. without balance the airplane wont be able to fly from point a to point b.. maybe you should use your mind to think some ] common sense regarding some things and realize that its not a bad thing at all either ;) |