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They faked it ! The Moon Landing !!

 
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hahahahahahahah......how about that?

BTW.....someone tell me how far from the lander they "drove"? and how "worth it" was it to drive say 250 meters away from the only possibal chance of remaining alive?
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My thoughts exactly. Let the geriatric boy scouts walk 250 meters for their golf.
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Those MEN, and what they did in a few DAYS, were each worth about 1000 of you, and what you will accomplish in your entire lifetime, you ignorant buffoon!
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No... a revised estimate of your lifetime worth compared to an Apollo astronout in a single day would be closer to a million to one, if you would even register on the chart at all.
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If i thought you were referring to the likes of gus grissom and the others who were suicided then i would agree with you,i called hoax on the whole apollo program right from the start.I was ten years old at the time and questioned it from the moment i watched it.
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I just.. i don't know. Seems like it's easier for me to believe the cover up with 9/11 than it is with the fake lunar landing theory. Some of the stuff those guys were saying made sense, but it just seems like they're all such minor issues that it would be silly to claim the whole thing is an outright lie.. Maybe it'll just click with me eventually, but there's less evidence out there about this for me to just say it was all fake. o.O Who knows...
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A few great points brought up. Why would we take 0 pictures of the extraordinary new view of the ENTIRE solar corona? Why would we abandon our closest, supposedly reachable, celestial body for further ones requiring more resources. Why is the LEM covered with shower curtain rods, construction paper, foil, and tape.
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"Shower curtain rods"? I don't think so. "Construction paper"? Again, I don't think so. "Foil and tape"? Yes. Do you have any idea of the composition and purpose of that foil and tape? Didn't think so.
 Quoting: Menow 35772700


Yah....special tape......special foil!

Do you claim to know all about the composition of themajic tape and foil?

If so.....How do you know? Do you work for NASA?
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Not necessary to know.

In fact, ordinary aluminum foil has been used quite effectively in a number of high-tech applications. So has aluminized mylar (which the thermal material on the LM -- and on modern spacecraft -- is much more similar to).

The question you have to ask, is, what is it there FOR?

What engineering task is being achieved by the gold-colored coverings?

What alternatives can you offer that also meet the design constraints (chiefly, weight)?
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You're telling me NOTHING can be gained from further moon exploration??
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Of course, NO ONE said anything of that sort. You "hoaxie" idiots have NO argument other that that which is incredibly dense and obtuse.
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Sorry, that response rates and F. You do not get funded.

Lunar orbiters can photograph far more of the Moon than a rover can.

The lunar landing sites have already beem imaged from orbit. Without wind and water there is no erosion. They haven't changed.

Now you change the subject. We have been back to the moon a couple of dozen times since Apollo. All unmaned. The argument is why haven't we sent men back to the Moon. The answer is, too expensive. Sending a robot on a one way mission to the Moon is much cheaper than sending men, food water, oxygen, return trip. And the stay would be longer. We already did the weekend visit. To spend more time will be very expensive.

And you never address the science. What science would you do? Science is more than taking a few photographs.

Nothing can be gained by doing another version of Apollo. You need more equipment. Longer stays. Doing deep core samples on the Moon would be useful, but it takes drilling crews years to send a drill down 7 or 8 kilometers on Earth. The deepest bore hole on Earth is around 12 kilometers. That took 19 years.

The problem is, you really don't know what you are talking about so your statements are not rational.
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The photos from the Mars rover look better than any photo I've seen of the moon via satellite. Ground shots of the landing sight would be fascinating.

What would really be interesting is to see ground-level photos of the lunar lander and other equipment left behind to see how they've fared from all this time.

If you think the idea is silly or fruitless, that's one thing. To say it's not rational at all seems a little to...dismissive.
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You are not rational. If you want to see what the landing site looks like, look at the images we already have

[link to history.nasa.gov]

No need to spend billions to see what we already have. Without wind or water there is no erosion, no decay. Not going to look any different. Apollo 12 retrieved pieces from Surveyor 3, so that has been done also. The sites have been photographed from orbit. You can still see the tire tracks from the rover. They aren't going anywhere.

What is rational is to propose something new. Something that hasn't been done. New science. Anything new will take more equipment, more time, and more money. You have to justify the cost.

You haven't. You just want to take vacation photos. It isn't science and can't be justified.

When you can take a vacation on the Moon, you can take your vacation photos. But now, you need scientific justification for missions.
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WAit.....we brought a dune buggy? No more room for a tripod and a cammera that could photograph stars??? Nice lodgic!
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They did on Apollo 16. ...
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But of course, because Nasa says that the Apollo 16 star photos were taken by men on the moon doesn't mean that they necessarily were.
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But of course, just because you say you are a rational Human Being, that doesn't mean you necessarily are.
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My thoughts exactly. Let the geriatric boy scouts walk 250 meters for their golf.
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Those MEN, and what they did in a few DAYS, were each worth about 1000 of you, and what you will accomplish in your entire lifetime, you ignorant buffoon!
 Quoting: Menow 636186


No... a revised estimate of your lifetime worth compared to an Apollo astronout in a single day would be closer to a million to one, if you would even register on the chart at all.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


If i thought you were referring to the likes of gus grissom and the others who were suicided then i would agree with you,i called hoax on the whole apollo program right from the start.I was ten years old at the time and questioned it from the moment i watched it.
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Do you know what the word suicide means?
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hey menow for the record......911.....how do you feel about that?
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weasle T.....for the record.....who did 911?
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weasle T.....for the record.....who did 911?
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red herring
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Sorry, that response rates and F. You do not get funded.

Lunar orbiters can photograph far more of the Moon than a rover can.

The lunar landing sites have already beem imaged from orbit. Without wind and water there is no erosion. They haven't changed.

Now you change the subject. We have been back to the moon a couple of dozen times since Apollo. All unmaned. The argument is why haven't we sent men back to the Moon. The answer is, too expensive. Sending a robot on a one way mission to the Moon is much cheaper than sending men, food water, oxygen, return trip. And the stay would be longer. We already did the weekend visit. To spend more time will be very expensive.

And you never address the science. What science would you do? Science is more than taking a few photographs.

Nothing can be gained by doing another version of Apollo. You need more equipment. Longer stays. Doing deep core samples on the Moon would be useful, but it takes drilling crews years to send a drill down 7 or 8 kilometers on Earth. The deepest bore hole on Earth is around 12 kilometers. That took 19 years.

The problem is, you really don't know what you are talking about so your statements are not rational.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4126404


The photos from the Mars rover look better than any photo I've seen of the moon via satellite. Ground shots of the landing sight would be fascinating.

What would really be interesting is to see ground-level photos of the lunar lander and other equipment left behind to see how they've fared from all this time.

If you think the idea is silly or fruitless, that's one thing. To say it's not rational at all seems a little to...dismissive.
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A manned mission to the moon because YOU think it would be "interesting to see the old equipment"? Right.... There is just no point in saying anything of substance to you idiots.
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Those MEN, and what they did in a few DAYS, were each worth about 1000 of you, and what you will accomplish in your entire lifetime, you ignorant buffoon!
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No... a revised estimate of your lifetime worth compared to an Apollo astronout in a single day would be closer to a million to one, if you would even register on the chart at all.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


If i thought you were referring to the likes of gus grissom and the others who were suicided then i would agree with you,i called hoax on the whole apollo program right from the start.I was ten years old at the time and questioned it from the moment i watched it.
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Do you know what the word suicide means?
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Yes,perhaps the word TERMINATED would have been more appropriate.

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How did they fit the Rover and its tires in all that too?

Are there believable scale models which could demonstrate this?
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There is video of it being DONE.

Both on Earth, and on the Moon (the later captured by the DAC).

Of course, your first problem is you asked the wrong question. "Explain why the sky is green" is not a valid question when the sky is, in fact, blue. The Rover was carried on the OUTSIDE of the LM. Not inside. This has been clearly documented -- at the time, and in plentiful materials available today.

Asking the question is akin to asking why the sky is green, and makes one wonder why you didn't chose to look up first.

The Rover and it's power source would add considerable extra weight to the ultimate stages. That would require exponential increases in the size of the first stage.

Remember how they counted every pound of excess weight in Apollo 11?

Were those increases in the first stage provided?

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What is the weight of the Rover? What is its construction and power source? These are easy to find, by the way.

As is something else; the Rover was carried only on the J Missions. These were a comprehensive upgrade and expansion of the carrying capacity of the Apollo landings, including both longer EVAs and larger masses for sample return.

A significant part of that was achieved via shrinking the reserve fuel margin. They were reasonably confidant that they had now worked out procedures by which the fuel-costly approach of Apollo 11 would be avoided in future landings.

That's what the process of engineering is about; test, test to destruction, see what the actual functional margins look like, learn from the tests, refine the design. Only in la-la land does a perfect design appear fully tested as if from the head of Zeus, and then is never changed again.
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How much do we know of our own planet?
How much do we know of our own ocean?
How much do we know of our brain?
How much do we know of ourselves?
How much do we know of our existence?

We focus ourselves into space when the answer to space themselves are within our own planet, to understand space you must understand our space existence on a planet first.

Why is the history of humans so puzzling in itself, god created us, we came from mars, we evolved from apes, we came from the ocean, we are reptiles, we are a computer program, we truly don't exist and everything including the pie is a lie, we have conflicting dates of first humans on this planet we mysteriously call earth, we speak a damn language/s, and the list goes on and on.

For reality to become reality you must first understand words in more ways than one, as in understanding what a cup is and what a finger is...imagine if we were never discovered how to read, write and speak.

What I am getting at is that you will most likely not understand me since this is my perception on life itself and my observations with hoaxes. Pretty much I am stating I have no answers to any hoaxes ever created by humans nor do I believe in languages.

We barely use our brains full potential to begin with so what is what true and false, what is right and was is wrong, is proof really proof, are pictures really pictures, are videos really videos, and most importantly I am a nobody with absolutely no education which makes me a dumbass.

Dafuq did I just type?

Was the moon landing fake, we are fake to begin with so yea it was fake like everything else in our perception of reality.

P.S. My user id= 30 and the date=21...30x21=630=9 (They love 9's is what I heard)

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If i thought you were referring to the likes of gus grissom and the others who were suicided then i would agree with you,i called hoax on the whole apollo program right from the start.I was ten years old at the time and questioned it from the moment i watched it.
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And I see that your understanding hasn't progressed beyond that of a 10-year-old. How quaint.
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weasle T.....for the record.....who did 911?
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I don't know. Do you? I'll bet you THINK you do but I KNOW you can't prove it.

It has nothing to do with the Moon landing.
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Yes,perhaps the word TERMINATED would have been mor appropriate.
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Sure... why not? It fits in with the rest of your insanely unfounded conspiracy theory. Just keep adding more layers no matter how flimsy.

putin
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You're telling me NOTHING can be gained from further moon exploration??
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Of course, NO ONE said anything of that sort. You "hoaxie" idiots have NO argument other that that which is incredibly dense and obtuse.
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Why do you assume I'm a "hoaxie."

I'm on the fence. I ask questions in all sincerity. I don't understand why either side gets so damned emotional about this and jumps to such conclusions.

It's almost as if asking any questions about the subject is taboo. Why? Enlighten others, don't attack.
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You're telling me NOTHING can be gained from further moon exploration??
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Of course, NO ONE said anything of that sort. You "hoaxie" idiots have NO argument other that that which is incredibly dense and obtuse.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


Why do you assume I'm a "hoaxie."

I'm on the fence. I ask questions in all sincerity. I don't understand why either side gets so damned emotional about this and jumps to such conclusions.

It's almost as if asking any questions about the subject is taboo. Why? Enlighten others, don't attack.
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If you don't understand my reaction, then you haven't read and understood the content of this thread. "Asking is taboo"? Not at all. Trolling with obtuse nonsense?That will eventually get the reaction to which I have resorted. Get a friggin' clue!
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You're telling me NOTHING can be gained from further moon exploration??
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Of course, NO ONE said anything of that sort. You "hoaxie" idiots have NO argument other that that which is incredibly dense and obtuse.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


Why do you assume I'm a "hoaxie."

I'm on the fence. I ask questions in all sincerity. I don't understand why either side gets so damned emotional about this and jumps to such conclusions.

It's almost as if asking any questions about the subject is taboo. Why? Enlighten others, don't attack.
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I call you that because of the OBVIOUSLY misleading nature of your question. NO ONE EVER SAID THERE IS NOTHING TO BE LEARNED FROM GOING BACK TO THE MOON- GET IT? Now BITE ME!
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Space without stars was the style that Kubrick followed in the 60's.

People might have been used to that view through film, but it is totally unrealistic for stars to not show up in the mountains of footage.

And no interest in astronomy, what so ever.
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Explain why the background star field is an important element in many of the space scenes of 2001. Especially notable is the final shot, a slow pan across a starscape to reveal the star child.

Kubrick spent a great effort (as did quite a few tables full of people diligently painting traveling mats by hand) to incorporate those stars.
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"Basic attempt with cheap cameras"? Huh? None of that statement makes any sense at all. It wasn't an astronomy mission, period.
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You mean NONE of the Apollo missions incorporated astronomy.

I would have taken at least a snapshot of something in the sky, if I had been there.
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Your research is incomplete.
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Ahh... as always.. a hysterical, emotional CONCLUSION driving a total lack of valid evidence. Yawn...
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The lack of any stellar view is the evidence, not the lack thereof.
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You do realize it was lunar daytime when the astronauts landed, right?
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And it remained daytime the whole time?
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Ladies and gentlemen, may I present the winner of this month's stundie!
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If i thought you were referring to the likes of gus grissom and the others who were suicided then i would agree with you,i called hoax on the whole apollo program right from the start.I was ten years old at the time and questioned it from the moment i watched it.
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And I see that your understanding hasn't progressed beyond that of a 10-year-old. How quaint.
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And i see that your only comeback to a valid statement is an insult.
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blah blah blah
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Lunar Egress Module = LEM you blowtard. Secondly, we did abandon the moon not because it isn't a valuable resource, but rather because we never really got there. You see, magicians, like NASA, like to get people to focus on the left hand when the right hand is performing the "magic". The right hand, in this case, is the moon. The left hand is Mars, and deep space. It's all an illusion, as you know, and I will be happy when our posterity start learning the truth about deception and NASA.
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"Excursion," not "Egress."
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The lack of any stellar view is the evidence, not the lack thereof.
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You do realize it was lunar daytime when the astronauts landed, right?
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And it remained daytime the whole time?
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Ladies and gentlemen, may I present the winner of this month's stundie!
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Yep.

:roar:

Too ignorant to know how stupid they are. Or is it the other way around? Or does it even matter?
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If i thought you were referring to the likes of gus grissom and the others who were suicided then i would agree with you,i called hoax on the whole apollo program right from the start.I was ten years old at the time and questioned it from the moment i watched it.
 Quoting: Don't let them get you


And I see that your understanding hasn't progressed beyond that of a 10-year-old. How quaint.
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And i see that your only comeback to a valid statement is an insult.
 Quoting: Don't let them get you


You got the comeback commensurate with the content of your statement. Say something which merits more and you might get that.
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Not a single robot camera on the MOON! Not one! Could you explain why? We say we have them on Mars. But thats not helping us learn about our immediate neighboorhood is it?
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None except ­Surveyor 1, ­Surveyor 2, Surveyor 3, ­Surveyor 4, ­Surveyor 5, ­Surveyor 6, ­Surveyor 7, Luna 2, Luna 3, Luna 9, Luna 10, Luna 11, Luna 12, Luna 13, Luna 14, Luna 16, Luna 17, Luna 19, Luna 20, Luna 21, Luna 22, and Luna 24
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HOW about in the last 40 years!!!! How about something we built since Your dad was wearing bellbottoms???
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Off the top of my head, the continuing Luna program, Clementine, SELENE, SMART...
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Should I just call you a paranoid idiot and get it over with or bother to use Google for you?

[link to www.youtube.com]

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Yes...

And?

That's never 100 km...


 Quoting: RoXY


So because THAT one clip doesn't show 100km of travel you claim it didn't happen? I fall back on my original idea- you're just a paranoid idiot.
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Hey, it's YOUR link!




[link to www.youtube.com]


Stop calling me "a paranoid idiot..."

And indeed: "...get it over with..." & "...bother to use Google for..." me, to prove your 1ookm claim.

I mean, we live in the digital age...

Again: didn't they bother to film those 100km on the Moon's freeways?

Inch by inch?

Why bother to drive around for such a long time - and where to?

100 km...

100KM!!!

TheyOFFDtheGUY
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Never A Straight Answer from the SHILLS...

NADA!

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You're telling me NOTHING can be gained from further moon exploration??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11330901


Of course, NO ONE said anything of that sort. You "hoaxie" idiots have NO argument other that that which is incredibly dense and obtuse.
 Quoting: Menow 636186


Why do you assume I'm a "hoaxie."

I'm on the fence. I ask questions in all sincerity. I don't understand why either side gets so damned emotional about this and jumps to such conclusions.

It's almost as if asking any questions about the subject is taboo. Why? Enlighten others, don't attack.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11330901


I call you that because of the OBVIOUSLY misleading nature of your question. NO ONE EVER SAID THERE IS NOTHING TO BE LEARNED FROM GOING BACK TO THE MOON- GET IT? Now BITE ME!
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Look at the number of times the ones who accept that Apollo did send men to the Moon and brought them back have been attacked and then ask why it gets emotional. You cannot present rational, factual, verifiable information on GLP without being called shill or worse. Then look back at your own posts.





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