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EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. | |
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 User ID: 25952351  Netherlands03/13/2013 01:38 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Once the EMP goes off, so do your 100+ nuclear reactors, think about it!!!  Last Edited by KipKat on 03/13/2013 01:38 PM :kkwapper: |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17938575  Canada03/13/2013 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. March 13 2013 Quoting: ~Andariel~ Please read this PDF file I found...Report of the Commission to Assess the Threat to the United States from Electromagnetic Pulse (EMP) Attack. [link to www.globalsecurity.org] I wrote this little abstract for GLP because knowledge is power. Electro-magnetic pulse or EMP in short can be achieved in 2 ways, by nuclear and by non-nuclear means. Due to the greater threat I will mostly cover the nuclear scenario. There is another way for EMPs to form and that is by solar storms but since its a natural process I will not cover this scenario here. :EMP1: All nuclear explosions can create EMP's but there are several factors that determine the strength of an EMP burst. If you say the yield of the bomb makes all the difference, you are deadly wrong. The main factor is the altitude of the explosion and after dozens of tests by the USA and Russia back in the late 50' and early 60', they have determined that a 300 miles high detonation would be the most effective. If the explosion is within the atmosphere or too far out in space then there would be little to no EMP effect. This is due to the way an EMP is formed, our Magnetosphere is the key for an EMP to be effective here. The strength of the magnetosphere at the moment of the explosion is another factor. :EMP3: I will now go into details regarding the actual formation of an EMP. Nuclear EMPs creates a complex multi-pulses and are made up of 3 components and they are called E1, E2 and E3. The E1 pulse occurs very fast, in the order of nanoseconds, and is produced when gamma radiation from the detonation knocks electrons out of atoms in the upper atmosphere. the free electrons then travel in a downward direction at close to the speed of light but here is where the magic happens. As the electrons travel downwards they are captured by Earth's magnetic field and are re-directed in a right angle flow, following the magnetosphere field lines. This causes the EMP to "spread" out a lot further than in the absence of a magnetic field. In short, the interaction with the Earth's magnetic field produces a very large but very brief electromagnetic pulse over the affected area. This is known as the Compton effect and the results are devastating for even the most shielded electronic apparatuses. E1 can be measured in the order of hundreds of KeV's (100,000 electron volts plus) and up to 2 MeV (million electron volts) which was achieved in a 1.44 megaton experimental detonation back in 1962 in the high-altitude test code named "Operation fishbowl" The E2 pulse is generated by scattering gamma rays produced by the weapon neutrons. It lasts a bit longer and behaves like lightning therefore lighting protection devices have a better chance to do their intended jobs. The main problem is the fact that E2 immediately follows E1 which may have already damaged surge protection devices thus leaving the door wide open for E2 to destroy the protected apparatuses. :EMP2: The E3 pulse is quite different from the first 2, it is very slow and can last 100's of seconds due to it moving the Earth magnetic field out of the way, followed by its restoration to its natural place. E3 acts like a Geomagnetic storm and induces currents in long electrical conductors such as high voltage wires and transformers. :powergr2: Remember when North Korea conducted those underground tests and US intelligence detected only low yield nuclear explosion? In the order of 3-5 kilotons? Some engineers thought they were failed nuclear detonations but other suspected that they actually were “Super EMP's". Again, I reiterate that to produce an EMP large enough to disable a nation, bigger is not necessarily better. North Korea has only to launch 1 of these in orbit and then guide it above the USA and its game over. Here is an old article I found that substantiates my claim. “Super EMP” Capable of Disabling Power Grid Across Lower 48 States. "For many years U.S. Intelligence agencies believed that North Korea’s nuclear weapons program was a failure due to the low explosive yield of their tests. According to EMPact America’s President and former CIA nuclear weapons analyst Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, this is not the case: North Korea’s last round of tests, conducted in May 2009, appear to have included a “super-EMP” weapon, capable of emitting enough gamma rays to disable the electric power grid across most of the lower 48 states, says Dr. Peter Vincent Pry, a former CIA nuclear weapons analyst and president of EMPact America, a citizens lobbying group." [link to www.shtfplan.com] Too Long/Won't Read Ignorant Then/Will Remain |
| BRIEF
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| No Dhimmi
User ID: 18280111 United States03/13/2013 01:40 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. The world's foremost remote viewing teacher, Edward A. Dames, Major, U.S. Army (ret.) is a decorated military intelligence officer and an original member of the U.S. Army prototype remote viewing training program. He served as the training and operations officer for the Defense Intelligence Agency's psychic intelligence (PSIINT) collection unit, and currently serves as executive director for the Matrix Intelligence Agency, a private consulting group. The technical consultant for the feature film, Suspect Zero, (a Tom Cruise-Paula Wagner production), Ed coached Sir Ben Kingsley, and played the role of an FBI remote viewing instructor in the movie, as well. Last Edited by No Dhimmi on 03/13/2013 01:52 PM ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
| ~Andariel~
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23400158 United States03/13/2013 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. What was the orbiting altitude of NK's recent satellite? Quoting: RelentlessDespot Wondering if that was a test run... Now listen this doesn't mean I think anything will happen.. because as we all know.. nothing ever friggen happens.. But still worth a thought Why do poeple always say that on GLP? Nothing ever happens? Our country is sinking into the ocean? Is that not happening? No Doom? Good God realy? 90 million in moms basement? Is that not doom enough?  at the 90 million   and  :dubya: doing these things in their mom's basement. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36087113 United States03/13/2013 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I'm buying a book soon called 'One Second After', its about a man and his survival as soon as the emp hits. It was recommended that all Americans read it since it could very well happen, and gives some good survival tips. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30024377 Here you go ! [link to xa.yimg.com] Thank you Free is better than buying..  |
| EMPerror
User ID: 8804293  Lithuania03/13/2013 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning... Quoting: BRIEF Not like you might think. If you are in an area with a good cell phone signal, put your cell phone in the microwave oven, then close the door and call that phone. What I found was that the phone began to ring.....so radiation was getting thru... There's a reason why people with pacemakers aren't supposed to be near a microwave...EMPs are nasty, but any protection is better than no protection. Microwave oven may not be adequate protection against EMP. Doors usually have holes in it and a thin layer of conductive shield. Definitely it's better than nothing, but not the choice when preparing in advance. Vacuum tubes have heating wires that would be melted easily. There was a thread about protection. Thread: EMP survival in case of war, extreme CME |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36100230  United Kingdom03/13/2013 01:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. can the military still fire nukes? from a sub? if so i guess a nuke war would follow anyway. Conventional nuke war gets you off guard while an emp provoked war would be people aware and just sayong'' im cold!", "dont worry you wont be in a minute". |
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| ~Andariel~
(OP) User ID: 35958731 Canada03/13/2013 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. can the military still fire nukes? from a sub? if so i guess a nuke war would follow anyway. Conventional nuke war gets you off guard while an emp provoked war would be people aware and just sayong'' im cold!", "dont worry you wont be in a minute". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36100230 Yes, I believe subs and oversea nuclear installation are whats making NK think long and hard. Those platforms would be out of the EMP range. Space, the final frontier...or is it? Knowledge is power |
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| No Dhimmi
User ID: 18280111 United States03/13/2013 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Normalcy Bias =  ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
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| BRIEF
User ID: 381742 United States03/13/2013 01:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning... Quoting: BRIEF How bout sea cargo container? Refrigerator box? Ground the fuck out of it and they may work... I never forgive and I never forget I am a licensed firearm holder. I will, under protection of law, use lethal force if attacked.  |
| DEORBIT NK'S "Satell User ID: 34808387 Canada03/13/2013 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. What was the orbiting altitude of NK's recent satellite? Quoting: RelentlessDespot Wondering if that was a test run... Now listen this doesn't mean I think anything will happen.. because as we all know.. nothing ever friggen happens.. But still worth a thought [link to www.n2yo.com] We were told this satellite was 'tumbling out of control' and it 'would de-orbit in a few days' after it's 12-12-12 launch date. Well... 3 Months later 13-13-13 and it's still orbiting at an optimal average height for maximum EMP damage. I think the USA should MAKE SURE that fucking 'satellite' MALFUNCTIONS and de-orbits over the middle of the ocean and make sure that EVERY FUCKING 'SATELLITE' the Norks launch ever again meets it's same inexplicable malfunctioning fate. To leave it in orbit is allowing the EMP killshot to happen. After the Norks official nuclear threats, they no longer have the right to space exploration of any means EVER. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36100230 United Kingdom03/13/2013 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. can the military still fire nukes? from a sub? if so i guess a nuke war would follow anyway. Conventional nuke war gets you off guard while an emp provoked war would be people aware and just sayong'' im cold!", "dont worry you wont be in a minute". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36100230 Yes, I believe subs and oversea nuclear installation are whats making NK think long and hard. Those platforms would be out of the EMP range. what you need is the spacestation dropping emps as the earth moves. |
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| Angelic_Warrior
User ID: 23290196 United States03/13/2013 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I haven't read any of the info you provided because I have a fairly good idea of the devastation this would bring on us. Quoting: Angelic_Warrior This thread irritates me for the same reason the series "24" did. Geeeeeeez .. why give them a play by play how debilitating it would be. This thread should be locked with security clearance mandatory for anyone wanting to get in.    Hello AW. Everything I posted here is readily available on the internet. I just put the proverbial "pieces" together. I know.. I know.. It's just unthinkable.. Like some of the programs that have aired recently... Jericho .. The one that's on now and someone has the key to electrical power. Creepy stuff.. good job tho  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. I Corinthians 2:14 God doesn't choose favorites.. They choose HIM It is not the greatness of my faith that moves mountains but my faith in the greatness of God |
| Angelic_Warrior
User ID: 23290196 United States03/13/2013 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. I made the mistake of scrolling upon this with a mouth full of water  But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. I Corinthians 2:14 God doesn't choose favorites.. They choose HIM It is not the greatness of my faith that moves mountains but my faith in the greatness of God |
| Maguyver
User ID: 808852 United States03/13/2013 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Yup...this would be BAD. Quoting: Maguyver Everything electronic and unprotected just stops. This can happen. Hope not though!  Stop falling into the fear mongering of people that do not understand anything by people that understand almost nothing about an EMP. Not EVERYTHING will croak. Many things will. anything that has a very long wire attached to it. Many things plugged into your electrical outlets will get roasted. Most things will not. The MOVs will stop it. But, what will happen is transformer dialectric perforation. KABOOM! Many line transformers (that big tin can strapped to the power pole outside your home) will do something between smoke and explode. The grid *WILL* bit the dust. If you've got a generator you can fire it up and go with it. But, be aware, many things that were plugged in may not work even if they were off. It will depend greatly only the makeup of the electrical system in your livingspace. Its very much like a superbolt near strike only it will come from everywhere. Cars and trucks may or may not run after they EMP is over. Depending on if its running or not, where its parked, etc. In most cases, though, I'd expect your vehicle to be fine. Your cell phone won't be OK, though! The tower it used to talk to will be toast. The phone itself will be fine but it will have nothing to talk to. The internet will be fried. The telephone lines will be fried. So, stop the handwringing and figure out how you're going to live without grid power. It can be done, but, you have to think about it. You fear mongerers are just pissing me off... The fact is, the grid going down would be bad enough. We don't need any more fear than that. Your transistor radio will be fine. ...of course there won't be a single station on-air to listen to but the radio will be fine. It would take them years to reconstitute the grid. In the chaos that would insue, its hard to imagine what would happen. I have an idea and its not good. But, you don't need to store your walkie-talkie in a ammo can. Sheoples is so dumb. Not fear mongering...just informing. People that know of possibilities and prepare, don't fear. Preparation for the possibility of something bad happening (pick you own suspected doomage) is just as much mental as physical prep. Me; I think the possibility of an EMP or solar induced catastrophy are not out of the realm of possibility, along with financial collapse, or maybe some viral outbreak. Some people think nuclear doom or peak oil is going to get us. Either way, have a plan and don't worry. If nothing ever brings society to a halt, great! I'd much rather have piece of mind and comfort and no doom on top of that! But until we discover there is no doom, I have piece of mind. Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional. Do or do not. There is no try. "The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu |
| Skepticnumberone
User ID: 36091432 United States03/13/2013 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning... Quoting: BRIEF The cord on a microwave has to be removed in order for it to be effective. Based on what I read, the cord serves as an antennae if it's still attached. A metal garbage can work and needs to be lined with cardboard and the contents wrapped in plastic, then aluminum foil, will/can work providing there is no access. Tell me if this is incorrect. I have been doing some reading with all that is taking place in this stinking world! What is the deal with vacuum tubes? Last Edited by Skepticnumberone on 03/13/2013 02:10 PM Skepticnumberone |
| ~Andariel~
(OP) User ID: 35958731 Canada03/13/2013 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: EMP How it works - The single greatest man made threat to North America ever and North Korea has it. Vacuum tubes are safe from EMP, so you might want to learn about them...also your microwave oven is a Faraday cage which can protect from an EMP, although you will probably not have any warning... Quoting: BRIEF The cord on a microwave has to be removed in order for it to be effective. Based on what I read, the cord serves as an antennae if it's still attached. A metal garbage can work and needs to be lined with cardboard and the contents wrapped in plastic, then aluminum foil, will/can work providing there is no access. Tell me if this is incorrect. I have been doing some reading with all that is taking place in this stinking world! What is the deal with vacuum tubes? Although vacuum tubes are far more resistant to EMP than solid state devices, other components in vacuum tube circuitry can be damaged by EMP Space, the final frontier...or is it? Knowledge is power |
