The obsession to find truth, can also become an inability to see truth.

How many people have woken up to the evil things in this world and started doing good things?

Dont you see the link?



If you read the reply that you said was full of no answers you will see i even talked about this.

In the perfect world my friend, then we dont need evil to learn good. But in this world thats the sad truth, people have become lazy, ignorant and stupid, they sleep. And the sad fact is that so many people have been woken up from this state of sleeping from a big slap of something evil happening.



Where do get all this from?

Nobody has EVER said that the evil and bad things that are going on are good and should continue. Try read the whole tthread and then you will see i have already written alot about people who look the other way when evil is happening.

Your thoughts and what you are trying to discuss is entirely made out of assumptions.

What im saying which you refuse to look upon is the positive sides with the evilness that is now occuring.

Yes its GOOD and BAD at the same time!

The bad things are still bad, BUT they bring awareness, sometthing this world needs deeply.

And that my friend has nothing to do with anyone wanting this to keep on forever, or justifing evilness in itself.

I look at evil for what it really is, from all perspectives.




The fucked up world we are living in is created by the innability of the people to act. Its not that people cant see the evilness around them, but they are afraid to act on it.



Again i have NEVER said that good will only come out of evil. I have said that good can come out of evil, and i wrote how above here.

Please read the whole thread before you assume.



All im saying is that we cannot act like we are living in the perfect world because we are not. We have to look at how the things really are, and THEN act upon it based out of what our current reality is and not a dream of it.

The masses arent missing the biggest and furthest out truths, they are missing the small truths at the beginning of the journey, they need a spark.



See we agree, and if you read this whole thread you would have seen that, but you choose to be offensive and aggresive instead.

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what i notice is that you keep hijacking another's thread :)
using sarcasm and all.
even if he would not be capable of understanding your point, when you figure it out you could let go.
but you keep on and on, although what you say i already said twice that is valid, you perceive me as a hater
but your attitude is anything but constructive, and as such i reflect what i perceive, and you in turn perceive me as a hater :)
cheer up a little
in fact i am sure we could have an entertaining discussion on many subjects, because you have a fine mind.
a more open heart would do wonders though :P



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I rest my case mate, i really do.

I have never claimed that sacrificing innocent children is good.

Again where do you get all this from?

Stop drawing conclusions and calm down =)

We are not "made up" of good or evil at all, this is just absurd.

What we do is choose to take actions that are good or evil. They are moral concepts and not simply what we are made of.

There are good or bad desires, and good or bad thoughts, etc. Of course nobody is perfect, and you must not even be actually paying attention to what I am writing to imply I am saying so.

Clearly everybody gives into evil to some extent, only someone claiming to be perfect would say they don't. I think we all know anyone claiming they are perfect is full of shit right?

Yes the concepts of good and evil are pretty much black and white, it's our actions and behaviors that aren't. What I mean is that even if you strive to be 100% good as you say, you will probably always ultimately fall short.

But that's not even the point now is it, your argument is all over the place in a desperate attempt to argue a flawed position.

Knock yourself out though, I will be here to keep pointing out the flaws in your position.

So the world "deeply needs" awareness which is brought about by bad things? So bad things help the world then, is that it?

This sounds a hell of a lot like order out of chaos. Are you a Freemason by any chance? If not they would probably love to have you join, since you just parrot their lies.

Bullshit OK.

You seriously don't have a clue lol.

And you have the nerve to talk down to me and say things like "what is it that you dont understand?"

You are just another brainwashed delusional sheep, but it's not like that is uncommon. You can consider yourself "normal" OK.

Let's just cut all the fluff and bullshit OK, since I am getting rather tired of it.

OP what you are trying to do is justify evil.

So try and justify it then, and be direct please. All this talking in circles by you is growing tiresome.

Evil is just something that exists in the universe, but it can be overcome by goodness thus creating a better reality as a result.

No we are not made up on evil, and i never wrote that either. Again please look at what i write and dont make assumptions.

I am saying that love and fear is part of the same frequency.

What you make out of that is your own buisness, but please dont assume that your assumptions is the truth of my words.

Remember that we humans are not machines, and we do not have the perfect mind YET!



The actions we do, the words we speak and the thoughts we make are who we are. We may be someone else deep within, but if we dont act it out, then we cant claim to be it either.

Our actions always mirrors who we are.

And no i dont belive that anyone is 100% good, i dont think it can be measured either. Who will be the judge if so?

But i do belive that humanity is slowly growing into a more understanding way of being, and i belive that many who take this path, do so to change away from evil.

Now ask yourself, if the world was only half as evil, would we still be sleeping, would this movement be as big? No it wouldnt.



Why do you want to take out our actions and behaviours? How can we find a solution without looking at those two? How can we fight the evil if dont look at the actions and behaviours behind it? How can we understand it if we dont understand the perception behind these actions?

Good and evil is an extremly wide topic and it can be looked upon from multiple perspectives.

Also like mentioned many times before, you keep assuming. I have not told people to strive to be 100% perfect, this is your words.

You keep making this same flawed statement again and again.

Evil is not a catalyst for good or anything like that, you are clearly just confused.

They are opposites, and I think you are falling into that trap that there is no duality.

Of course there is duality lol, and good wouldn't be good without its opposite of evil.

You again and again refuse to address my statements.

#1 - Good and evil are very much different concepts, they are not one in the same as some people naively believe.

#2 - Evil is not what brings about good, but is in fact it's exact opposite. Order out of chaos is an evil lie, designed to confuse weak minded people into accepting a sinister vision of the future.

#3 - Good and evil are not only subjective to the individual, but there is in fact an overarching objective morality built into the universe.

#4 - We do not create a good and evil reality as Luke Swan said, it is just the inherent nature of the universe. The question is what you choose to do, and what you choose to believe.

This is what I am saying OP, what are you actually saying though with your long winded posts full of fluff and bullshit?

I have said several times now that i dont justify evil.
I have said several times that evil is not something i want.
I have said several times that evil is something we have to overcome.

Why wont you listen to what i say?

I am saying that this world WOULD NOT be in the awake state that it currently is if it wasnt for all the bad stuff that is going on. What you want to make out of that is up to you.

You can call it love acting upon evil, but its all the same, the evil triggered the love. That love would not be there if the evil was not. In the perfect world we wouldnt need thousands of triggers to wake us up, but in THIS sad world we need that. People are under heavy sleep. Thats the sad an unavoidable truth.

The world has been evil for decades, but we have been sleeping and living our own happy lives because it wasnt evil enough for most people to bother. Now it is. The last 10 years it has reached a peak, and so have the people who are waking up. Theres is a link that you deny to see.

And pointing out this link has nothing to do with justifying evil, we all want to end the evil. I look upon the facts RIGHT NOW, and not the facts of the future! If you dont understand the world around you, you will not understand the future either.

I want to end all evil, do YOU GET IT?

Can you READ WHAT IM TRYING TO SAY HERE :P ?

Hey OP should we go out and perform evil deeds then to "speed along" the change for the better?

You moron lol!

No it would simply be in a better state, because of a lack of the evilness that exists today.

Can't you see that the problem is evilness in the world, and in it's absence there is no problem to begin with.

It is not evil that creates, assists, or speeds along good. Just give it up OK, this is getting really tiresome.

It's like I'm talking to the wall here lol.

That's pretty typical with the brainwashed masses though, so I am getting used to it.

OP: Bad things are good.

Me: /Facepalm

My, you're really living up to the title of the thread, aren't you?

Care to explain this?

It would be impossible to do so to you. You already claim you know all the answers, and therefore, everyone must be wrong. It is best you answer your own questions because you merely want the answer to conform to your opinion.

Look at it like this OK.

Evil=disease/unhealthiness

Good=medicine/healthiness

You could say that if someone didn't get sick, then you couldn't make them better. Isn't it better to prevent them getting sick in the first place?

Goodness is the medicine that cures evil, but you can be healthy by preventing the very presence of disease in the first place.

The same goes for good and evil, it is not even required that you get sick (evilness) in the first place. The fact that evil has become so prevalent is pretty much irrelevant to this, it just is what it is.

The goal should be to shun the very appearance of evil, thus preventing the need for good to work overtime cleaning up the mess created in the first place.

But that's not what most people do, they either give in to evil or in the case of OP here try an justify it in a sick twisted attempt to act like its necessary.

Disease isn't necessary, and neither is evil OK. What you are saying is that you have to get sick first before you can be healthy, but that's just flawed logic sadly. Sickness is what causes unhealthiness, and without in the first place there wouldn't even be a problem.

How would you be able to define 'good' if there was no 'evil'?

I figured you would say something like this, since it was a baseless cheap shot in the first place. Why do you think I asked you to explain lol? At least you said something, most people wouldn't.

I do not claim to have all the answers, but I do know that there is very much a good and evil and that they are different and not the same thing.

You couldn't lol?

I am not the one saying they are the same thing like Luke Swan?

It is the fact that they are opposites that give them their unique defining qualities.

Care to elaborate on what you meant exactly, since I am not totally sure?

No. They are not the same things. They are opposites and both necessary to define each other. One can say that evil is the absence of good and good is the absence of evil, but no matter how you say it....One cannot be known without the other. How would you define light without darkness?
I don't believe anyone is condoning evil, here. But we cannot make the changes OUT THERE without making the changes within, first.

Your main problem is that you take things out of context. You take one sentence and make it into an absolute statement and then you forget to reflect the rest of the text.

Luke swan is not saying that love and fear is the same thing. Please read again!

Good and evil are just different aspects from a same source, we just have different agendas, you will NEVER and I repeat NEVER get remotely close to a descent level of awareness if you keep thinking and believing in this dual God/Satan, goodness/evilness combo.

Look he even says it himself, he says love and fear is different aspects, he doesnt say they are the same thing.

Dual God/Satan = the people who belive that god will return any day and put this world upside down.

Godness/evilness combo = the people who belive that the great battle of good vs evil is going on in a great scale, something they arent apart of themselves. They forget to see that the greatest battle to win is to win back your own mind, and that this is the great good vs evil fight.

This is the things hes talking about mr absolute.

That inevitably leads you to see things squared and lineal, thus you create a good and evil reality; also "believe what you want" shouldn't be just a choice because at the end of the day, it matters a lot, your belief define your existence, I see just so MUCH misguidance, it is just unbelievable, you can't get to level 9 without understanding the level before, and the one before that one, you can't embrace and create a new world if you still believe the very lies that hold the old one.

Here he follows up talking about not being blind to the old world lies and old world beliefs, and to stop seeing things squared and lineal, and start looking at it for what it really is.

I dont really understand half of your assumptions or how you can take these few lines and make it into something very differen, your views are mostly based upon what you want things to be. You see things that doesnt exist exept but in your own mind.

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This is the root of it all OK.

This guy Luke Swan has clearly fallen into the disinformation trap that there is no dulaity, etc.

He is basically saying flat out that there is no difference between good and evil, and that they are "just different aspects of a same source."

Anyone that claims that there is no creator cannot possibly know this, since even if they knew that "source" was where everything comes from how could they know there's not another level beyond that?

There could be 1000 levels of realities beyond this one for all we know lol, and anyone claiming to have it all figured out is full of shit.

I saw a YouTube video that said there is no duality, and that God and Satan, etc. are just Archons (other dimensional entities) trying to control us. Even if this were true who is to say something didn't create them, and then that something didn't create the something that created them. I could literally go on like this for an eternity, but whats the point since we just dont know?

One thing is for sure though, and that is that there are negative and positive universal energies. We are exposed to them daily, and make choices on our actions. Will we do good, or will we do evil?

You can argue semantics all day, but in the end it has the same basic meaning. Positive and negative, good and bad, love and hate, war and peace, etc.

Call it what you will, there are clearly opposite universal forces that we have to make choices daily on which we will give in to.

This is likely "the game" or "the test" that was designed for us, and by trying to justify evilness as good somehow you will almost surely fail that test.

No hes talking about the people who are being fooled into beliving great fairytales about good and evil.

Hes talking about fanatic christians and the craziest new agers.

The battle isn't in my mind lol, I am one of the most active fighting the evilness that is destroying the world. The battle is between those that are trying to make things better, and those that are trying to destroy and/or control things.

There is a battle of good and evil going on, clearly you can't see it though.

Just like when a human body is dying of cancer, there is a battle for life going on.

Evilness destroys life, and goodness preserves it.

You dont have a clue, and this is getting very tiresome.

What fairytales?

You talk in circles so I don't expect a clear answer, but hey I tried.

You are not fighting evil, you are fighting your own movement =)

Ya he did say they are the same thing, because he said "if you keep thinking and believing in this dual God/Satan, goodness/evilness combo" implying that there is no duality.

Maybe you don't know what he was trying to say, but I do.

This is not the first time I have seen this lie, and I have ideas where he got it from.

I am fighting my own movement?

And what movement is that?

OP lets be honest, you are fairly brainwashed.

You said you got this from Facebook lol?

Do you have any idea what being on social media does to your belief systems?

I doubt you do because you can't see the forest through the trees.

I am on the outside though having never been on any social media, and I study the effects of social media on the belief systems of others.

You think in terms of trends, and majorities, and movements.

I am part of no movement, and I do things my own way every single last damn time.

You have repeatedly referred to a movement in this thread, but just what exactly is this movement though?

Okay. Now, I am not a Christian(so calm down! lol), but Christ's teachings are very valid WHEN you actually understand them. In Matthew 7:3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye." He is claiming that we CANNOT make changes OUT THERE, UNTIL we first make changes WITHIN.