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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76401 United States 04/09/2006 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I visited an Eastern Orthodox Church in Columbus, Ohio one time. The church is itself a scale-down version of the Hagia Sophia church in Istanbul, gorgeous, full of glory and history honoring the Eastern Orthodox Church in the past. The real Hagia Sophia is, sadly, a mosque. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79458 United States 04/09/2006 10:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, there were about 30 popes who are buried in the Vatican or in the Roman catacombs who reigned and died prior to Militades. Peter is known as the Bishop of Rome because that is where he stayed and was martyred. St. Peter, d. 64? or 67? St. Linus, 67?–76? St. Cletus, or Anacletus, 76?–88? St. Clement I, 88?–97? St. Evaristus, 97?–105? St. Alexander I, 105?–115? St. Sixtus I, 115?–125? St. Telesphorus, 125?–136? St. Hyginus, 136?–140? St. Pius I, 140?–155? St. Anicetus, 155?–166? St. Soter, 166?–175? St. Eleutherius, 175?–189? St. Victor I, 189–99 St. Zephyrinus, 199–217 St. Calixtus I, 217–22 antipope: St. Hippolytus, 217–35 St. Urban I, 222–30 St. Pontian, 230–35 St. Anterus, 235–36 St. Fabian, 236–50 St. Cornelius, 251–53 antipope: Novatian, 251 St. Lucius I, 253–54 St. Stephen I, 254–57 St. Sixtus II, 257–58 St. Dionysius, 259–68 St. Felix I, 269–74 St. Eutychian, 275–83 St. Caius, 283–96 St. Marcellinus, 296–304 St. Marcellus I, c.308–309 St. Eusebius, 309–c.310 St. Miltiades, or Melchiades, 311–14 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9570 United States 04/09/2006 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The important element is that Jesus gave the "keys of the Kingdom" to St. Peter, and it was Peter he told "feed my sheep". As another poster wrote above, the list of church leadership beginning with Peter, followed by Linus, etc. is a known fact. Even the protestant churches ( and Martin Luther himself ) do not dispute the facts of the early church, it's just that protestants believe that the church much LATER, "went astray" and needed "reforming", thus the "Reformation". As for the Eastern Orthodox Church, their beliefs are extremely similar to Catholics, except about a thousand years ago, they decided to REJECT the authority of the Pope. This means they are "in schism" at the present time. |
Johnny Danger
User ID: 74060 United States 04/09/2006 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Eastern Orthodox Church IS the original church of Christ Too much like the Roman Catholic Church to me. My kind, the true Christians were hiding out in Catacombs and Dens and Caves having church while your kind were walking around in Phalacteries. John |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79458 United States 04/09/2006 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Johnny, Those "True Christians" in the catacombs were Catholic. Catholic popes were buried in the catacombs alonside the other faithful. The men and women who were martyred in Rome and in other places in the ancient world all had one singular and important thing in common. They believed in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. They believed in an Apostolic Church. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79458 United States 04/09/2006 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here'a a link for the largest of the catacombs in Rome. There are others. [link to www.catacombe.roma.it] |
Johnny Danger
User ID: 74060 United States 04/09/2006 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Johnny, Those "True Christians" in the catacombs were Catholic. Catholic popes were buried in the catacombs alonside the other faithful. ____________________________________ I guess you've never heard of the Papal Persecutions against Protestants. (The Jesuits) Or the Roman Persecutions aginst Christians. Or the Jewish Persecutions against Christians. And since the RCC didn't come into existence til 451 AD, I don't think you can classify them as "Christian," despite what Headline News says. John |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 76401 United States 04/09/2006 02:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 9570: >>The important element is that Jesus gave the "keys of the Kingdom" to St. Peter, and it was Peter he told "feed my sheep".<< You should know that when Jesus announced to his apostles, "...upon this rock, I will build my church...", the man kneeling before Jesus was Peter. Peter come from the Greek name, Petrus meaning "ROCK". Peter was the rock Jesus figuratively referred to, as if Jesus was passing the "keys" to the Kingdom of Heaven onto Peter and anointing that Peter will build Jesus' church on Earth. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77749889 Japan 04/29/2021 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And I say to thee. thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76401 The rock mass upon which Jesus would build his church was that Jesus' "Father in the heavens" [and "no flesh and blood"] had revealed to Peter that Jesus was "the Christ, the son of the Living God". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77782608 Canada 04/29/2021 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm still Protestant but the Eastern Orthodox is the original, Rome started making things up like the Papacy, absolute divine simplicity (destroyed proper metaphysics like the energy/essence distinction), and removed the Father as the Arche. Protestants and EO both know Rome is antichrist. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80665067 United States 07/27/2021 10:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am also an Orthodox Convert. I never even knew they existed until about 10 years ago. What I discovered was a church that was the original one, with so much tradition and wisdom and teaching that I'd never heard of in my life before. It's like finding the ocean when you were used to the kiddie pool. The Roman Catholic church broke off from them in 1054. Before that time, every Christian in the world was "Orthodox" because that's all there was. The Bishop of Rome took upon himself to set himself up as the leader of all the bishops around the world. Before that, they were all equal and operated by making decisions as a council. The RC church became very corrupt, causing the further split by Martin Luther. Now there are 33,000 denominations of Christianity around the that contains the original teaching, customs, fasts, etc., is the Orthodox. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80456663 France 07/27/2021 11:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Eastern Orthodox Church IS the original church of Christ Quoting: Johnny Danger Too much like the Roman Catholic Church to me. My kind, the true Christians were hiding out in Catacombs and Dens and Caves having church while your kind were walking around in Phalacteries. John Hence, you have no clue...Now go clean the latrines. The Eastern Orthodox are en par with the Ethiopian Coptics. But most of the Lutheran based dolts don't know history unless their mamas told dem so. NO forced conversions, no taking over of others temple/holy sites. Just plain Christians. There is one issue though. It is a big issue, so it gets complex. The fact that the ROCOR carried the Church through the USSR period has ended up with a Monastic Tradition 'invading' the householder and scholastic Church. So for those not knowing this it might appear to the likes in the quote that 'the true Christians hid.' SImply not true. The ROCOR priests died by the thousands keeping ROCOR alive and it all goes back to... The Ethiopian Coptics never even attended any of the Councils and to this day have a Bible not 'condensed' by the Council of Nicea, nor proceeding Councils. These are the following A. The Holy Books of the Old Testament 1. Genesis 2. Exodus 3. Leviticus 4. Numbers 5. Deuteronomy 6. Joshua 7. Judges 8. Ruth 9. I and II Samuel 10. I and II Kings 11. I Chronicles 12. II Chronicles 13. Jublee 14. Enoch 15. Ezra and Nehemia 16. Ezra (2nd) and Ezra Sutuel 17. Tobit 18. Judith 19. Esther 20. I Maccabees 21. II and III Maccabees 22. Job 23. Psalms 24. Proverbs 25. Tegsats (Reproof) 26. Metsihafe Tibeb (the books of wisdom) 27. Ecclesiastes 28. The Song of Songs 29. Isaiah 30. Jeremiah 31. Ezekiel 32. Daniel 33. Hosea 34. Amos 35. Micah 36. Joel 37. Obadiah 38. Jonah 39. Nahum 40. Habakkuk 41. Zephaniah 42. Haggai 43. Zechariah 44. Malachi 45. Book of Joshua the son of Sirac 46. The Book of Josephas the Son of Bengorion B. The holy books of the New Testament 1. Matthew 2. Mark 3. Luke 4. John 5. The Acts 6. Romans 7. I Corinthians 8. II Corinthians 9. Galatians 10. Ephesians 11. Philippians 12. Colossians 13. I Thessalonians 14. II Thessalonians 15. I Timothy 16. II Timothy 17. Titus 18. Philemon 19. Hebrews 20. I Peter 21. II Peter 22. I John 23. II John 24. III John 25. James 26. Jude 27. Revelation 28. Sirate Tsion (the book of order) 29. Tizaz (the book of Herald) 30. Gitsew 31. Abtilis 32. The I book of Dominos 33. The II book of Dominos 34. The book of Clement 35. Didascalia So yes...screw any Church that doesn't include these in the Bible because some of it was 'ixneyed' by a Caesar who was more of a follower of Sol Invictus. The Eastern Orthodox recommend those extra books. The Coptics think them essential. The groupies who came later have not a clue. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68186617 Canada 07/27/2021 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yet this church considers the founder of the catholic church the "primus inter pares ("first among equals") of the bishops among the world's Eastern Orthodox prelates and is regarded as the representative and spiritual leader of Eastern Orthodox Christians". |