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Eastern Orthodox Church IS the original Church of Christ

 
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The Eastern Orthodox Church IS the original church of Christ, not the Roman Catholic Church.

There were many small churches of the apostles relating to the Gospels of Jesus in the 1st century AD, years after Jesus' death.

The Roman Catholic Church, from its official capacity, did not come to being until the last years of the 1st century AD.

Christian churches in Anatolia, Greece, Lebanon, Judah, and Egypt were all known as the Holy Apostolic Churches of the Fathers .... the forerunner of the Eastern Orthodox and the Roman Catholic Churches.

St. Peter wasn't the first Pope. He was known as the Bishop of Rome. The very first officially-known Pope of Rome was St. Miltiades in the time of Constantine the Great who declared the Edict of Milan.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Interesting..
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I agree, in my opinion their bible is still the most accurate to the oldest found text.
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I visited an Eastern Orthodox Church in Columbus, Ohio one time. The church is itself a scale-down version of the Hagia Sophia church in Istanbul, gorgeous, full of glory and history honoring the Eastern Orthodox Church in the past. The real Hagia Sophia is, sadly, a mosque.
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OP, there were about 30 popes who are buried in the Vatican or in the Roman catacombs who reigned and died prior to Militades.

Peter is known as the Bishop of Rome because that is where he stayed and was martyred.

St. Peter, d. 64? or 67?
St. Linus, 67?–76?
St. Cletus, or Anacletus, 76?–88?
St. Clement I, 88?–97?
St. Evaristus, 97?–105?
St. Alexander I, 105?–115?
St. Sixtus I, 115?–125?
St. Telesphorus, 125?–136?
St. Hyginus, 136?–140?
St. Pius I, 140?–155?
St. Anicetus, 155?–166?
St. Soter, 166?–175?
St. Eleutherius, 175?–189?
St. Victor I, 189–99
St. Zephyrinus, 199–217
St. Calixtus I, 217–22
antipope: St. Hippolytus, 217–35
St. Urban I, 222–30
St. Pontian, 230–35
St. Anterus, 235–36
St. Fabian, 236–50
St. Cornelius, 251–53
antipope: Novatian, 251
St. Lucius I, 253–54
St. Stephen I, 254–57
St. Sixtus II, 257–58
St. Dionysius, 259–68
St. Felix I, 269–74
St. Eutychian, 275–83
St. Caius, 283–96
St. Marcellinus, 296–304
St. Marcellus I, c.308–309
St. Eusebius, 309–c.310


St. Miltiades, or Melchiades, 311–14
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Factually, there is no question as to the absolute CONTINUITY of the Catholic Church from the present day, directly backwards in time to St. Peter.

The important element is that Jesus gave the "keys of the Kingdom" to St. Peter, and it was Peter he told "feed my sheep".

As another poster wrote above, the list of church leadership beginning with Peter, followed by Linus, etc. is a known fact.

Even the protestant churches ( and Martin Luther himself ) do not dispute the facts of the early church, it's just that protestants believe that the church much LATER, "went astray" and needed "reforming", thus the "Reformation".

As for the Eastern Orthodox Church, their beliefs are extremely similar to Catholics, except about a thousand years ago, they decided to REJECT the authority of the Pope.

This means they are "in schism" at the present time.
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The Eastern Orthodox Church IS the original church of Christ

1rof1

Too much like the Roman Catholic Church to me.

My kind, the true Christians were hiding out in Catacombs and Dens and Caves having church while your kind were walking around in Phalacteries.

John
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Johnny,

Those "True Christians" in the catacombs were Catholic. Catholic popes were buried in the catacombs alonside the other faithful.

The men and women who were martyred in Rome and in other places in the ancient world all had one singular and important thing in common.

They believed in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. They believed in an Apostolic Church.
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Here'a a link for the largest of the catacombs in Rome. There are others.

[link to www.catacombe.roma.it]
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Johnny,

Those "True Christians" in the catacombs were Catholic. Catholic popes were buried in the catacombs alonside the other faithful.

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1rof1

I guess you've never heard of the Papal Persecutions against Protestants. (The Jesuits) Or the Roman Persecutions aginst Christians. Or the Jewish Persecutions against Christians. And since the RCC didn't come into existence til 451 AD, I don't think you can classify them as "Christian," despite what Headline News says.

John
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Johnny,

This is what you said:

My kind, the true Christians were hiding out in Catacombs and Dens and Caves having church while your kind were walking around in Phalacteries

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You are wrong. But your pride won't permit you to admit it.
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I need to make a correction: should have also said that the men and women buried in the catacombs and martyred for their faith believed in Baptism as well as the Eucharist and an Apostolic Church.
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9570: >>The important element is that Jesus gave the "keys of the Kingdom" to St. Peter, and it was Peter he told "feed my sheep".<<

You should know that when Jesus announced to his apostles, "...upon this rock, I will build my church...", the man kneeling before Jesus was Peter.

Peter come from the Greek name, Petrus meaning "ROCK".

Peter was the rock Jesus figuratively referred to, as if Jesus was passing the "keys" to the Kingdom of Heaven onto Peter and anointing that Peter will build Jesus' church on Earth.
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And I say to thee. thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18)
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more songs about buildings..

the kingdom is within
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bump
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And I say to thee. thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (Matthew 16:18)
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The rock mass upon which Jesus would build his church was that Jesus' "Father in the heavens" [and "no flesh and blood"] had revealed to Peter that Jesus was "the Christ, the son of the Living God".
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I'm still Protestant but the Eastern Orthodox is the original, Rome started making things up like the Papacy, absolute divine simplicity (destroyed proper metaphysics like the energy/essence distinction), and removed the Father as the Arche.

Protestants and EO both know Rome is antichrist.
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I agree
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Martin Luther didn't go back far enough, he needed to fix the metaphysical errors.

This Protestant gets it. This is the bridge between East and West.
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I am orthodox convert and this is True
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The orthodox church belongs fo the seat of Mark. The pope is
Pope Tawadros II.
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Whatever Peter "bound" or "loosed" on earth would be because it had already been bound or loosed in Heaven.
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The Vatican accepts the validity of the Eastern Rite. Bergoglio is another matter.
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I am orthodox convert and this is True
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bump
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I am also an Orthodox Convert. I never even knew they existed until about 10 years ago. What I discovered was a church that was the original one, with so much tradition and wisdom and teaching that I'd never heard of in my life before. It's like finding the ocean when you were used to the kiddie pool. The Roman Catholic church broke off from them in 1054. Before that time, every Christian in the world was "Orthodox" because that's all there was. The Bishop of Rome took upon himself to set himself up as the leader of all the bishops around the world. Before that, they were all equal and operated by making decisions as a council. The RC church became very corrupt, causing the further split by Martin Luther. Now there are 33,000 denominations of Christianity around the that contains the original teaching, customs, fasts, etc., is the Orthodox.
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This doesn't mean the Orthodox church is perfect or doesn't have its problems...it does, because it is full of imperfect humans. But it's still the original church and has the most wisdom.
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The Eastern Orthodox Church IS the original church of Christ

1rof1

Too much like the Roman Catholic Church to me.

My kind, the true Christians were hiding out in Catacombs and Dens and Caves having church while your kind were walking around in Phalacteries.

John
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Hence, you have no clue...Now go clean the latrines. The Eastern Orthodox are en par with the Ethiopian Coptics. But most of the Lutheran based dolts don't know history unless their mamas told dem so. NO forced conversions, no taking over of others temple/holy sites. Just plain Christians. There is one issue though.
It is a big issue, so it gets complex. The fact that the ROCOR carried the Church through the USSR period has ended up with a Monastic Tradition 'invading' the householder and scholastic Church. So for those not knowing this it might appear to the likes in the quote that 'the true Christians hid.' SImply not true. The ROCOR priests died by the thousands keeping ROCOR alive and it all goes back to...
The Ethiopian Coptics never even attended any of the Councils and to this day have a Bible not 'condensed' by the Council of Nicea, nor proceeding Councils.
These are the following

A. The Holy Books of the Old Testament

1. Genesis
2. Exodus
3. Leviticus
4. Numbers
5. Deuteronomy
6. Joshua
7. Judges
8. Ruth
9. I and II Samuel
10. I and II Kings
11. I Chronicles
12. II Chronicles
13. Jublee
14. Enoch
15. Ezra and Nehemia
16. Ezra (2nd) and Ezra Sutuel
17. Tobit
18. Judith
19. Esther
20. I Maccabees
21. II and III Maccabees
22. Job
23. Psalms
24. Proverbs
25. Tegsats (Reproof)
26. Metsihafe Tibeb (the books of wisdom)
27. Ecclesiastes
28. The Song of Songs
29. Isaiah
30. Jeremiah
31. Ezekiel
32. Daniel
33. Hosea
34. Amos
35. Micah
36. Joel
37. Obadiah
38. Jonah
39. Nahum
40. Habakkuk
41. Zephaniah
42. Haggai
43. Zechariah
44. Malachi
45. Book of Joshua the son of Sirac
46. The Book of Josephas the Son of Bengorion



B. The holy books of the New Testament

1. Matthew
2. Mark
3. Luke
4. John
5. The Acts
6. Romans
7. I Corinthians
8. II Corinthians
9. Galatians
10. Ephesians
11. Philippians
12. Colossians
13. I Thessalonians
14. II Thessalonians
15. I Timothy
16. II Timothy
17. Titus
18. Philemon
19. Hebrews
20. I Peter
21. II Peter
22. I John
23. II John
24. III John
25. James
26. Jude
27. Revelation
28. Sirate Tsion (the book of order)
29. Tizaz (the book of Herald)
30. Gitsew
31. Abtilis
32. The I book of Dominos
33. The II book of Dominos
34. The book of Clement
35. Didascalia

So yes...screw any Church that doesn't include these in the Bible because some of it was 'ixneyed' by a Caesar who was more of a follower of Sol Invictus. The Eastern Orthodox recommend those extra books. The Coptics think them essential. The groupies who came later have not a clue.
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bow before the pope cocksucker
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Yet this church considers the founder of the catholic church the "primus inter pares ("first among equals") of the bishops among the world's Eastern Orthodox prelates and is regarded as the representative and spiritual leader of Eastern Orthodox Christians".





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