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Anonymous Coward User ID: 34255868 Canada 04/09/2013 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes - at the VERY least, a heightened Cold War that will leave the prior between US/ USSR to pale in comparison. How many here are old enough to remember that? Now think of it with today's technology - the espionage alone would be mind-boggling. I remember it quite well, including the Cuban missile crises. There is one big factor that we had then that will not work now. The doctrine of mutually assured destruction that we had with the USSR at the time. MAD will not work with the multiple parties that are involved now. This factor alone makes a multi-party cold war a much more risky proposition. Throw in small rogue nuclear capable factors and we are definitely starting to roll the dice. I do agree with you with regard to MAD, however, even Kennedy was a strong enough leader to face it head-on. I'm no great Kennedy fan, but he was head and shoulders above what is masquerading as a leader in the US currently. Aye, this is not a situation where you can show any weakness. Wishy washy liberalism will not cut it. |
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Maguyver
User ID: 808852 United States 04/09/2013 01:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good Post. Quoting: Maguyver I believe the time line may be out a bit longer than today, but seems that NK is pushing boundries and seeking legitamicy among world powers, albeit via the wrong tact. This young leader appears to want to get to the edge of conflict and if there's no retaliation, he wins. ...off point, but I wonder who flew the plane of California a few years ago. Could that have been the beginning of this standoff? Thanks! And you know that was a plane... thinking otherwise means you're crazy or on the fringe, or so I've been told. Sorry....gramatical error on my part..fixed above... Thanks for the catch! Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional. Do or do not. There is no try. "The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu |
LOU512
User ID: 15499118 United States 04/09/2013 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | N MY HUMBLE OPINON The next 48-72 hours could be the most dangerous in our history. We have a mad man posed to launch WW3. The US did back down a bit yesterday , lets hope NK will do the same. We know they will be testing a long range missile towards Japan,Japan will try to take it out. We have NK east of us, Iran in the ME and Cuba at our south last year Russia put five nukes there. History will tell how our leaders handle this. And let us get this close again. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. Sun Tzu |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ClydeX Yes - at the VERY least, a heightened Cold War that will leave the prior between US/ USSR to pale in comparison. How many here are old enough to remember that? Now think of it with today's technology - the espionage alone would be mind-boggling. I remember it quite well, including the Cuban missile crises. There is one big factor that we had then that will not work now. The doctrine of mutually assured destruction that we had with the USSR at the time. MAD will not work with the multiple parties that are involved now. This factor alone makes a multi-party cold war a much more risky proposition. Throw in small rogue nuclear capable factors and we are definitely starting to roll the dice. I do agree with you with regard to MAD, however, even Kennedy was a strong enough leader to face it head-on. I'm no great Kennedy fan, but he was head and shoulders above what is masquerading as a leader in the US currently. Aye, this is not a situation where you can show any weakness. Wishy washy liberalism will not cut it. Nor do other "leaders" make decisions based upon his golf swing. He really doesn't have much else to offer, other than maybe another private concert. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
littlemiracles
User ID: 28283064 United States 04/09/2013 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the excellent thread.... Quoting: littlemiracles Not what I wanted to read though this morning... :( It can be a sobering thought. Those posting here with "what time", "nothing will happen", or flying the "BS" flag have not read the OP. I've no intention of defining whether "something" happens or not, but rather discussion that regardless of action/ inaction - the repercussions will be long-running and deep-reaching beyond the NK/ SK region. And thanks for spending your time regardless of "those" posts |
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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | N MY HUMBLE OPINON The next 48-72 hours could be the most dangerous in our history. We have a mad man posed to launch WW3. The US did back down a bit yesterday , lets hope NK will do the same. We know they will be testing a long range missile towards Japan,Japan will try to take it out. Quoting: LOU512 We have NK east of us, Iran in the ME and Cuba at our south last year Russia put five nukes there. History will tell how our leaders handle this. And let us get this close again. Agreed, Lou. We must not also forget the possibilities of emplacements within Venezuela, particularly under Chavez who carried a relationship with Ahmadenijad, as well as with our own O & Co. Cuba and Venezuela both provide points of placement within the Western Hemisphere for NK/ Iran, and because of their extended association; Russia/ China/ Pakistan. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the excellent thread.... Quoting: littlemiracles Not what I wanted to read though this morning... :( It can be a sobering thought. Those posting here with "what time", "nothing will happen", or flying the "BS" flag have not read the OP. I've no intention of defining whether "something" happens or not, but rather discussion that regardless of action/ inaction - the repercussions will be long-running and deep-reaching beyond the NK/ SK region. And thanks for spending your time regardless of "those" posts No worries - they're filler, and as they get disruptive they're weeded out. Three (3) times is about my limit - beyond that it's not just poking fun or stirring discussion. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 938403 Netherlands 04/09/2013 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever. Quoting: ClydeX Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China. **IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests. **IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK. During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor. Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of. |
No More Lies
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 27404402 United States 04/09/2013 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people. Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions. True! Good point. Crapola, here we go. Yeah.................. he could be telling his citizens that these tests arent tests at all. nk media is more overtly controlled than it is here his percieved power can be manipulated |
DDan2
User ID: 37738193 Germany 04/09/2013 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever. Quoting: ClydeX Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China. **IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests. **IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK. During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor. Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of. Well said! Regards, Served U.S. Army (Active): 1986 - 1994 (31k) United States Army Signal Corps (USASC) If opportunity isn't knocking, build a door! For those who believe, no explanation is necessary! For those who DO NOT, none will suffice! Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither! |
Lady Jane Smith
Forum Administrator User ID: 2029338 United States 04/09/2013 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ClydeX Thank you for your poorly constructed jumble of mis-spelled words in which you call everyone else names. Even your ill-contrived attempt of sharing your knuckle-dragging point of view provides this thread an additional bump, as does each and every response to your stupidity. Ironic, isn't it? What's ironic? The fact that my opinion on you thread actually bumps it up?... Who gives a fuck?? (well you do actually, you just want to see your name on the front page with a fucking pin by it)the fact is you made this thread for egotistical reasons with a bullshitt ass title.... You are a fucking idiot. Nothing changes tomorrow,... Except the fact that this piece of shit thread becomes irrelevant... Thank you - again. The fact that you can't see beyond your own disdain (I'll help you with that - it's similar to contempt) for those who CAN think for themselves, who understand repercussions are not always overt and immediate, or those who wish to discuss such pertinent issues with others who may be considered as friends within an Internet forum is exhibited through your childish antics. There is likely a reason that you aren't having your own discussion - either your lack of gentlemanly behavior, shallow, self-centered views, or a combination of both likely contribute to this. I see that your "pushing" survival supplies as well,.... Congrats on being a super douche bag!... That says it all right there... Fate whispers to the warrior "You cannot withstand the storm" the warrior whispers back "I am the storm" INTJ-A |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: ClydeX That's half of my point here - even if nothing overt happens, it leaves NK in a precarious position of being mocked and Yong Un loosing his perceived level of international power as viewed by his people. Sometimes, "nothing" amounts to a whole new bag of contentions. True! Good point. Crapola, here we go. Yeah.................. he could be telling his citizens that these tests arent tests at all. nk media is more overtly controlled than it is here his percieved power can be manipulated I agree with you with regard to how he promotes himself within the bounds of his own country. Kim Yong Un is a person with deeply-rooted narcissism (much like O' himself), so saving face on the international level is just as, if not more important than within his own people whom he can control via the state-run media. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35951056 What's ironic? The fact that my opinion on you thread actually bumps it up?... Who gives a fuck?? (well you do actually, you just want to see your name on the front page with a fucking pin by it)the fact is you made this thread for egotistical reasons with a bullshitt ass title.... You are a fucking idiot. Nothing changes tomorrow,... Except the fact that this piece of shit thread becomes irrelevant... Thank you - again. The fact that you can't see beyond your own disdain (I'll help you with that - it's similar to contempt) for those who CAN think for themselves, who understand repercussions are not always overt and immediate, or those who wish to discuss such pertinent issues with others who may be considered as friends within an Internet forum is exhibited through your childish antics. There is likely a reason that you aren't having your own discussion - either your lack of gentlemanly behavior, shallow, self-centered views, or a combination of both likely contribute to this. I see that your "pushing" survival supplies as well,.... Congrats on being a super douche bag!... That says it all right there... HA! Check pm, LJS Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
LOU512
User ID: 15499118 United States 04/09/2013 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever. Quoting: ClydeX Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China. **IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests. **IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK. During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor. Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of. Well said! yes. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. Sun Tzu |
Maguyver
User ID: 808852 United States 04/09/2013 01:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | N MY HUMBLE OPINON The next 48-72 hours could be the most dangerous in our history. We have a mad man posed to launch WW3. The US did back down a bit yesterday , lets hope NK will do the same. We know they will be testing a long range missile towards Japan,Japan will try to take it out. Quoting: LOU512 We have NK east of us, Iran in the ME and Cuba at our south last year Russia put five nukes there. History will tell how our leaders handle this. And let us get this close again. I believe leaders of our time are very few in public office. The rest of the ruling class are just celebrities seeking the next election. Sad state. If this situation is handled well, it's from the men in the field, not the ones in elected office. Last Edited by Maguyver on 04/09/2013 01:59 PM Adversity is inevitable, misery is optional. Do or do not. There is no try. "The enemy will never attack where you are strongest...He will attack where you are weakest. If you do not know your weakest point, be certain, your enemy will." Sun Tzu |
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ClydeX
(OP) User ID: 11310285 United States 04/09/2013 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I doubt it would actually be in the air long enough for us (here) to track or watch. Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee: 8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19279378 United States 04/09/2013 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A discussion on how today the world as we know it changes forever. Quoting: ClydeX Specifically looking to the tensions over NK, which also tags through extension Russia/ China/ Iran/ Pakistan, but we also must take into account the on-going tensions with US/ Israel and Iran/ Syria, which also tags Russia/ China/ Pakistan, as well as underlying tensions between India/ Pakistan, which tags in US/GB/NATO/Russia/ Iran/ NK/ China. **IF** Nk does not follow through with their "test", they will now appear weak - especially after their statements of the past few weeks, along with their building of support within their people under the guise of imminent war. While this would leave them appearing as weak and a continuation of Kim the senior's policy of empty talk and threats, the international pressure and ridicule would likely be the egg-in-the-face to push Kim Yong Un into more volatile actions with little thought and/ or consideration. These actions, in the form of military movements and attacks could entail actions on/ against SK, Japan, and US interests. **IF** NK DOES fire their "test", especially if any "test" vehicle take a path projected to be within range of or even over Japan - it will assuredly be shot down. The shooting down of NK's "test" would be a mark as well against NK, not only destroying their property, negating any "test" and "results" thereof, but also a statement that they are not beyond international reach or free to take on open activities as they wish. This, as well, provides egg-in-the-face to NK, specifically to Yong Un, that would lead down the same path as above - volatile, "retaliatory" actions that are devised with no other objective than spreading death and destruction, though this scenario would more likely carry the support of their allies as the shooting down of their "test" will be construed not as a protective measure, but an offensive one towards the sovereign nation of NK. During the following days, Iran/ Syria will also be provided the perfect opportunity to ramp up their own stances against the West, using the NK situation as a distraction to their favor. Either way, and whatever happens; the world as we know it changes today - even if it were to culminate in a new Cold War that leaves the last looking like a child's game. The next 24 hours holds the one solid fact that Kim Yong Un will be left with egg-on-the-face; there's just no way around that right now, and it's no secret that fat kids don't like being made fun of. Sounds like Clyde still believes in MSM fabrication wake up clyde, it's all for your entertainment |
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