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Meditation: Universally accepted as something Great: Doctors, Jesus, Ghandi, Buddha, AMA

 
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There are lots of ways to meditate too.

If the first position/technique doesnt feel right to YOU, then try something different.

I have noticed that certain styles of meditation dont "do it for me".

Trying it what matters. I know it sucks waiting, but just be happy about the moments of "calm" it gives you. Eventually you will have the moment you are looking for.
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Any good Christian knows that meditation is of the devil.
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Jesus would disagree with you.


The "Kingdom of Heaven" is within.

Edit: For the records I do not believe in organized religion.

Jesus and his teaching are pure. What it has been twisted into would make Jesus very sad.

I do not need organized religion to realize my true nature.

The answers are "within".
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I also feel this way about organised religion.I've been meditating for about 8 years now.I use the centerpointe method.
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Any good Christian knows that meditation is of the devil.
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Jesus would disagree with you.


The "Kingdom of Heaven" is within.

Edit: For the records I do not believe in organized religion.

Jesus and his teaching are pure. What it has been twisted into would make Jesus very sad.

I do not need organized religion to realize my true nature.

The answers are "within".
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I also feel this way about organised religion.I've been meditating for about 8 years now.I use the centerpointe method.
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I like to think about my "sphere of influence".

My energy expands past my skin (obviously). I try to think of how far it must extend. I try to "stretch" it to its furthest point out.

Then I reverse it. Try to pinpoint my "smallest point of existence". The microscopic point that is "me".

This creates on add sensation in me. Makes me realize my true self has NOTHING to do with my body. I can feel my essence expanding, or as a pinpoint.

This is the method that triggered my first OBE. What a moment that was.
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I don't know about increasing my wealth, but I'd agree with the rest of it. I try to meditate at least 3-4 times a week and always feel better afterwards.
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I don't know about increasing my wealth, but I'd agree with the rest of it. I try to meditate at least 3-4 times a week and always feel better afterwards.
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"Wealth" Is a pretty subjective term. But I understand what you mean.
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I used to sort of beat the shit out of myself with my own neurotic thoughts. I began a semi-regular practice of basic focusing on my breath meditation several years ago. Eventually I was able to have extended periods where my mind was at peace and I was able to just observe the thoughts that would arise during meditation, recognize them, and then go back into a "thoughtless" state of relaxation. Even if your mind is a little restless while you meditate... that's okay. I think it's often referred to as "the monkey mind". You don't want to kill the little fucker or anything, because the mind is a wonderful tool... yet a horrible master. If we could get a lot more of the world to meditate the world would not seem such an awful place. Like many here have noted... Meditation is not at odds with any religion or scientific credos (do some searches on "the relaxation response" for all you science-minded folks). It really is as natural as breathing and a great way to "clear the clutter", mentally (and physically, really). But don't take my word for it. Just breathe!! Peace.
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bad op deletes decent posts

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bad op deletes decent posts

this thread is absolute bsflag
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Calling a practice "pagan" with no credible evidence is not a "good post".

Especially when this was already posted to refute such nonsense. Right from the bible and your "Lord".

Any good Christian knows that meditation is of the devil.
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If you are a good Christian, you are commanded to meditate.

Joshua 1:2-9, the Lord spoke a comforting message to Joshua. He said in verse 8, "This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success."
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p.s. Find a differnt thread to troll.

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I used to sort of beat the shit out of myself with my own neurotic thoughts. I began a semi-regular practice of basic focusing on my breath meditation several years ago. Eventually I was able to have extended periods where my mind was at peace and I was able to just observe the thoughts that would arise during meditation, recognize them, and then go back into a "thoughtless" state of relaxation. Even if your mind is a little restless while you meditate... that's okay. I think it's often referred to as "the monkey mind". You don't want to kill the little fucker or anything, because the mind is a wonderful tool... yet a horrible master. If we could get a lot more of the world to meditate the world would not seem such an awful place. Like many here have noted... Meditation is not at odds with any religion or scientific credos (do some searches on "the relaxation response" for all you science-minded folks). It really is as natural as breathing and a great way to "clear the clutter", mentally (and physically, really). But don't take my word for it. Just breathe!! Peace.
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Excellent post. hf
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I used to sort of beat the shit out of myself with my own neurotic thoughts. I began a semi-regular practice of basic focusing on my breath meditation several years ago. Eventually I was able to have extended periods where my mind was at peace and I was able to just observe the thoughts that would arise during meditation, recognize them, and then go back into a "thoughtless" state of relaxation. Even if your mind is a little restless while you meditate... that's okay. I think it's often referred to as "the monkey mind". You don't want to kill the little fucker or anything, because the mind is a wonderful tool... yet a horrible master. If we could get a lot more of the world to meditate the world would not seem such an awful place. Like many here have noted... Meditation is not at odds with any religion or scientific credos (do some searches on "the relaxation response" for all you science-minded folks). It really is as natural as breathing and a great way to "clear the clutter", mentally (and physically, really). But don't take my word for it. Just breathe!! Peace.
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Excellent post. hf
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Thanks for responding to this post. Not sure how I missed it.

The "monkey mind/ego" is indeed needed, and a horrible master.

Cant meditate without it, but it also tries to keep you from meditation. Creates an interesting "paradox".
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mmm meditation,lovely,peeaceffull,gentle,smiley,happy:)drop that sack of worrys off youre back,be at peace,be content,just here and now,breathe aaahhhh.bliss:)
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I used to sort of beat the shit out of myself with my own neurotic thoughts. I began a semi-regular practice of basic focusing on my breath meditation several years ago. Eventually I was able to have extended periods where my mind was at peace and I was able to just observe the thoughts that would arise during meditation, recognize them, and then go back into a "thoughtless" state of relaxation. Even if your mind is a little restless while you meditate... that's okay. I think it's often referred to as "the monkey mind". You don't want to kill the little fucker or anything, because the mind is a wonderful tool... yet a horrible master. If we could get a lot more of the world to meditate the world would not seem such an awful place. Like many here have noted... Meditation is not at odds with any religion or scientific credos (do some searches on "the relaxation response" for all you science-minded folks). It really is as natural as breathing and a great way to "clear the clutter", mentally (and physically, really). But don't take my word for it. Just breathe!! Peace.
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Excellent post. hf
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Thanks for responding to this post. Not sure how I missed it.

The "monkey mind/ego" is indeed needed, and a horrible master.

Cant meditate without it, but it also tries to keep you from meditation. Creates an interesting "paradox".
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Ah...I wasn't trying to run your thread.....I just really liked what this poster had to say.....hf
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Meditation is how I start my day, and how I end it.
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I used to sort of beat the shit out of myself with my own neurotic thoughts. I began a semi-regular practice of basic focusing on my breath meditation several years ago. Eventually I was able to have extended periods where my mind was at peace and I was able to just observe the thoughts that would arise during meditation, recognize them, and then go back into a "thoughtless" state of relaxation. Even if your mind is a little restless while you meditate... that's okay. I think it's often referred to as "the monkey mind". You don't want to kill the little fucker or anything, because the mind is a wonderful tool... yet a horrible master. If we could get a lot more of the world to meditate the world would not seem such an awful place. Like many here have noted... Meditation is not at odds with any religion or scientific credos (do some searches on "the relaxation response" for all you science-minded folks). It really is as natural as breathing and a great way to "clear the clutter", mentally (and physically, really). But don't take my word for it. Just breathe!! Peace.
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Excellent post. hf
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Thanks for responding to this post. Not sure how I missed it.

The "monkey mind/ego" is indeed needed, and a horrible master.

Cant meditate without it, but it also tries to keep you from meditation. Creates an interesting "paradox".
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Ah...I wasn't trying to run your thread.....I just really liked what this poster had to say.....hf
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No no, I was being serious. I completely missed that post, and it was great you responded.

Thank you.
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Excellent topic. Dear OP, thanks for sharing.
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Christian meditation contrasts with cosmic styles of eastern meditation as radically as the portrayal of God the Father in the Bible contrasts with discussions of Krishna or Brahman in Indian teachings.

Unlike eastern meditations, most styles of Christian meditations do not rely on the repeated use of mantras, but are intended to stimulate thought and deepen meaning.

Christian meditation aims to heighten the personal relationship based on the love of God that marks Christian communion.

hf
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Any good Christian knows that meditation is of the devil.
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another do
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another do
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Christian meditation contrasts with cosmic styles of eastern meditation as radically as the portrayal of God the Father in the Bible contrasts with discussions of Krishna or Brahman in Indian teachings.

Unlike eastern meditations, most styles of Christian meditations do not rely on the repeated use of mantras, but are intended to stimulate thought and deepen meaning.

Christian meditation aims to heighten the personal relationship based on the love of God that marks Christian communion.

hf
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HMMMM....yes indeed!

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Christian meditation contrasts with cosmic styles of eastern meditation as radically as the portrayal of God the Father in the Bible contrasts with discussions of Krishna or Brahman in Indian teachings.

Unlike eastern meditations, most styles of Christian meditations do not rely on the repeated use of mantras, but are intended to stimulate thought and deepen meaning.

Christian meditation aims to heighten the personal relationship based on the love of God that marks Christian communion.

hf
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Arguing techniques. I have never used a "mantra".

I always hate using the word "god" it gives the wrong impression. The human language is limited.


When I meditate I try to commune with the "Universal Consciousness" (God).

Sadly, our bodies make it seem like we are seperate from this "energy". But we are all the same. All part of this Universal Consciousness.

Summary: Semantics. What you call God, I call something different. Same thing about techniques on meditation. You call it eastern meditation and christian meditation. I call it just "meditation".

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Disclaimer: If you come to this thread to spew hate/fear I will just delete it. If you have something viable to debate against meditation please post something to back it up.


There is one thing that is universally accepted as something good and wonderful too do.

Something that will help you health.

Something that will help your wealth.

Something that will bring you peace.

Something that will unlock the secrets of "yourself"


Everyone from the AMA, Catholics, Buddhists, Christians, Ghandi, Jesus. Meditation is universally accepted as something we should all do.

So, why isnt everyone doing it?
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flowas
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Any good Christian knows that meditation is of the devil.
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another do
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another do
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another do
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Work, hard, exhaustive work, produces similar results.
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If I may, OP....although it wasn't my response that you were answering with regard to the difference between christian meditation and other forms.....

For some of us, who specifically follow Christ, our meditation takes the form of "waiting on the Lord." Our meditation is Christ-directed and Christ-centered.

The same health benefits apply, as do the benefits of peace and spiritual and self awareness, etc.

I am in no way claiming to speak for all Christians...in fact, many would disagree with me. I speak only from my own perspective and that of other Christians who meditate as I do....with the goal of seeking God as we understand Him.

Please don't think I'm trying to argue with you. On the contrary, I think meditation in all it's forms is wonderful and great for many reasons.

But there is a difference that is quite marked and significant. And I'm only bringing it up because I know that many feel that there is no place for meditation in the Christian walk.
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So, why isnt everyone doing it?
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There is no possible way to gain material goods or an ego boost from meditation.

That's why most people will NEVER do it.
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I disagree. At least from my personal experience.

The worst part is, it doesnt happen with 1 meditation session.

That is the downfall of it. People want "instant" results. Meditation is a journey. The more you do it, the more you realize. The more power you have.
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I learned how to do it years ago when they had classes for transcendental meditation at various places in cities. They said to do it only on an empty stomach...that is, when you first awake in the morning and/or before dinner. Never before you go to bed because it gives you energy.

When I first did it, I had a toddler, so it wasn't easy, but I tried to stick with it. When I did, life was easier. I was more organized, more relaxed, and I was happy.

It just took 15-20 minutes of my time, but over the years, I grew less disciplined, and eventually stopped doing it. Now, I awake and go get a cup of coffee.

I am retired, so I feel like I don't really need it as I once did. I live a stress-free life compared to many years ago, but one of these days I plan to start again. It can't hurt; it only helps.

I would recommend it to EVERYONE....especially if you have stress or worries in your life! It really works.

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If I may, OP....although it wasn't my response that you were answering with regard to the difference between christian meditation and other forms.....

For some of us, who specifically follow Christ, our meditation takes the form of "waiting on the Lord." Our meditation is Christ-directed and Christ-centered.

The same health benefits apply, as do the benefits of peace and spiritual and self awareness, etc.

I am in no way claiming to speak for all Christians...in fact, many would disagree with me. I speak only from my own perspective and that of other Christians who meditate as I do....with the goal of seeking God as we understand Him.

Please don't think I'm trying to argue with you. On the contrary, I think meditation in all it's forms is wonderful and great for many reasons.

But there is a difference that is quite marked and significant. And I'm only bringing it up because I know that many feel that there is no place for meditation in the Christian walk.
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Jesus and his teachings were dead on. I have heard people being visited by the "Holy Spirit". Different religions call it something different. The moment the "Holy Spirit" comes to you, is the moment of "breakthrough" I was referring too.

I have no issues with anything you stated.

If you follow Jesus's only real commandment, then all is well.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
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Namaste Brother or Sister.

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So, why isnt everyone doing it?
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There is no possible way to gain material goods or an ego boost from meditation.

That's why most people will NEVER do it.
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I disagree. At least from my personal experience.

The worst part is, it doesnt happen with 1 meditation session.

That is the downfall of it. People want "instant" results. Meditation is a journey. The more you do it, the more you realize. The more power you have.
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I learned how to do it years ago when they had classes for transcendental meditation at various places in cities. They said to do it only on an empty stomach...that is, when you first awake in the morning and/or before dinner. Never before you go to bed because it gives you energy.

When I first did it, I had a toddler, so it wasn't easy, but I tried to stick with it. When I did, life was easier. I was more organized, more relaxed, and I was happy.

It just took 15-20 minutes of my time, but over the years, I grew less disciplined, and eventually stopped doing it. Now, I awake and go get a cup of coffee.

I am retired, so I feel like I don't really need it as I once did. I live a stress-free life compared to many years ago. I do know that I would be better doing it....one of these days I will start again.

I would recommend meditating to EVERYONE....especially if you have stress or worries in your life! It really works.
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Wonderful story. Thanks for sharing.
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If I may, OP....although it wasn't my response that you were answering with regard to the difference between christian meditation and other forms.....

For some of us, who specifically follow Christ, our meditation takes the form of "waiting on the Lord." Our meditation is Christ-directed and Christ-centered.

The same health benefits apply, as do the benefits of peace and spiritual and self awareness, etc.

I am in no way claiming to speak for all Christians...in fact, many would disagree with me. I speak only from my own perspective and that of other Christians who meditate as I do....with the goal of seeking God as we understand Him.

Please don't think I'm trying to argue with you. On the contrary, I think meditation in all it's forms is wonderful and great for many reasons.

But there is a difference that is quite marked and significant. And I'm only bringing it up because I know that many feel that there is no place for meditation in the Christian walk.
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Jesus and his teachings were dead on. I have heard people being visited by the "Holy Spirit". Different religions call it something different. The moment the "Holy Spirit" comes to you, is the moment of "breakthrough" I was referring too.

I have no issues with anything you stated.

If you follow Jesus's only real commandment, then all is well.

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
 Quoting: One Law


Namaste Brother or Sister.

nama2
 Quoting: Forgotten


peace
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There is no possible way to gain material goods or an ego boost from meditation.

That's why most people will NEVER do it.
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I disagree. At least from my personal experience.

The worst part is, it doesnt happen with 1 meditation session.

That is the downfall of it. People want "instant" results. Meditation is a journey. The more you do it, the more you realize. The more power you have.
 Quoting: Forgotten


I learned how to do it years ago when they had classes for transcendental meditation at various places in cities. They said to do it only on an empty stomach...that is, when you first awake in the morning and/or before dinner. Never before you go to bed because it gives you energy.

When I first did it, I had a toddler, so it wasn't easy, but I tried to stick with it. When I did, life was easier. I was more organized, more relaxed, and I was happy.

It just took 15-20 minutes of my time, but over the years, I grew less disciplined, and eventually stopped doing it. Now, I awake and go get a cup of coffee.

I am retired, so I feel like I don't really need it as I once did. I live a stress-free life compared to many years ago. I do know that I would be better doing it....one of these days I will start again.

I would recommend meditating to EVERYONE....especially if you have stress or worries in your life! It really works.
 Quoting: nutmeg


Wonderful story. Thanks for sharing.
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They told us that before you sit down to meditate, shut your phone off. I remember thinking back then....now what difference would that make? I didn't turn it off, and one time the land phone rang. It really startled me! It sounded 10x louder than usual. From then on, I turned the phone off!

You really won't realize that you are relaxed while you're meditating. In fact, once you're done after the 20 minutes, you won't feel any different, but eventually, you'll see a difference in your life. I can't remember, but I think they say you'll see a change in 2 or 3 weeks.

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So, why isnt everyone doing it?
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I know people who are afraid of meditation. My theory, in the case of them people I know, is that they sensed how meditation changed those around them and they feel the change is negative. To them, we seem flabby or dispassionate because our interests turned inward.

The interesting thing is, if one objectively compares the field of interest of those who turn inward to those who don't, one finds that those who turn inward have a field of interest that encompasses the entire cosmos. Talk about scale :). And take the word objectively with a grain of salt ;).

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So, why isnt everyone doing it?
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There is no possible way to gain material goods or an ego boost from meditation.

That's why most people will NEVER do it.
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And those who meditate for a reason like gaining anything are missing the point.

Meditation is best done with no purpose since it's meant to silence the chatter in the mind.

Meditation is just like listening to a song you like or dancing, you're grooving to life.

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