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The Complete Atheist Guide for "Debunking" Christianity (Let's End This)

 
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The Complete Atheist Guide for "Debunking" Christianity (Let's End This)
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In order to correctly debunk true (not modern) Christianity, one must have FULL knowledge of what is or isn't true Christianity and this thread will help in those regards. These points will be from our personal experiences with atheists and in all honesty, the great majority of atheists arguments happen to all be the same, 99% of the time. These things that you (the atheist) need to realize before making and deciding your arguments or debates against God, will greatly increase the credibility of your arguments. Now, notice that I said "credibility", because after realizing and acknowledging these very same things, you will have very little to argue or debate with, if at all.


1) THE BIBLE DOES NOT SPEAK ON DINOSAURS

This common argument, is mostly based, just because the word "dinosaur" is never mentioned. According to Wikipedia upon many other sources (feel free to look it up for yourself), we are told this about the origin of the word "dinosaur";


A: Etymology

"The taxon Dinosauria was formally named in 1842 by paleontologist Sir Richard Owen, who used it to refer to the "distinct tribe or sub-order of Saurian Reptiles" that were then being recognized in England and around the world.[8]:103 The term is derived from the Greek words δεινός (deinos, meaning "terrible," "potent," or "fearfully great") and σαῦρος (sauros, meaning "lizard" or "reptile").[8]:103[9] Though the taxonomic name has often been interpreted as a reference to dinosaurs' teeth, claws, and other fearsome characteristics, Owen intended it merely to evoke their size and majesty.[10]"


This being the case, why then would you expect the word "dinosaur" to be used within the Bible, which is thousands of years in age???


B: Although the word "dinosaur" is not referred to in the Bible, we do have some clues regarding such large beasts existing. More notably the Leviathan.



Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?


Psalms 74:14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.


Psalms 104:26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.


Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.


And then of course, we have the situation of Jonah;


Jonah 2:1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,

2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

2:3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

2:4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.

2:5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

2:7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

2:8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.

2:10 And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.


C: Last but not least, knowledge of dinosaurs doesn't bring salvation. It doesn't lead us to follow God in Spirit and in Truth, so why should dinosaurs even be a primary focus??? They have nothing to do with us. There's more to touch on, but the next section will take care of that mostly.



2) DINOSAURS ARE SAID TO EXIST MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO


A: This is rather the trivial matter, due to the fact that SCIENCE says this. That's all that atheists go on. SCIENCE. Science says that the earth preexisted far beyond thousands of years ago. Other than science, there is no more "proof" of this belief, for science has it's own methods of "figuring" out the truth. This doesn't make it credible nonetheless, but when children are taught that science is the only answer, this behavior is expected. Again, it doesn't make it anymore correct, than a tarot card reader using cards to "predict" the past or future. It simply is "truth" because you will it to be.


B: To one man, he thinks that Michael Jordan is the best basketball player ever. To another man, Kobe Bryant. Are either of these men correct??? Only personal perception wills these men's beliefs to be true. So, is the same with science. It is simply just another tool, giving an alternative viewpoint on how things are and work.

Due to the fact that no man was alive to see the "Big Bang", it only makes it pure speculation, as one man decided to jot down his OWN personal opinions on how the universe works. You simply chose this mans theory (wonder why the word "theory" will never be dropped???) as "truth". This, then makes the belief in evolution, purely based on faith. According to God's Word, faith is defined as;


Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


Thus evolution falls into this category as well as with any other religion or belief.



3) HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT GOD FLOODED THE ENTIRE EARTH?


A: Again, the atheist isn't debunking God at all here. In the minds of atheists it's HUMANLY impossible to flood the entire earth and that's where they error. If God is the Source behind all creation, why wouldn't He be able to flood the entire earth? Because it isn't "scientifically" possible? Why are you forming God to your human perspectives??? Why would God be restricted to the imagination of man, by science??? It just doesn't work that way and they know this. This will not stop them from trying to use this logic however.


B: This comes most as common knowledge, but if such a great flood DID occur, what would you expect to find afterwards? FOSSILS, SKELETONS. I believe this quote is rather suitable;


“If Noah’s flood really did occur, what would you expect to find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth. And guess what we find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth"


C: To wrap this up, we have fossils of dinosaurs and it's fact that they are from the past, but the masses are being deceived as to the dating of these objects. Isn't that ingenious though? Again, science is just ANOTHER tool for examining the world. The KKK, Freemasons, gangs and the like have their own views as to how things work, but it doesn't make them anymore true. Personal perception does not change reality. To everyone, their "reality" may be real to them, but only one reality can be correct. That Reality can be found by anyone, if they so choose to see Him.



4) GOD IS CRUEL FOR KILLING SO MANY PEOPLE / GOD IS EVIL FOR ALLOWING EVIL TO RUN AMOK


A: Yet again, the atheist is not even trying to debunk God, they are just disagreeing with His methods. The reason they DO this, is to sow seeds of doubt within those of little faith or those on the fence. They are fully aware of what they're doing. Now, lets face their argument.


B: In order to call God "just" or "cruel", we must first understand these given situations which are being judged.

If one really even takes key detail into Scripture (KJV) they'll see a common occurrence, before God brings judgment upon man;


Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.

28:3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.

28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

28:5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

28:6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

28:7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

28:8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

28:9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.

28:10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.

28:11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

28:12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

28:13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

28:14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.



Exodus 15:22 So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water.

15:23 And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah.

15:24 And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink?

15:25 And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,

15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

15:27 And they came to Elim, where were twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees: and they encamped there by the waters.



From these two (out of many) examples, we see that God pleads before His people, before bringing judgment. He pleads for them to follow His commandments and His statutes. Why? Because, His ways are righteous. Now, lets be honest, where would we be as an entire race, if no one lied, if no one stole, if no one committed adultery, if no one coveted others, if everyone spread their wealth, so that being poor would cease to exist. What if no one killed, loved their neighbor as if they loved themselves? If everyone actually waited until marriage to lose their virginity? Regardless of what/who/Who you believe in, you have to admit that the world would be a utopia if this were the case.


C: So, if God is giving mankind rules, in order to have love abound peacfully within the earth, how is He cruel or unjust? Atheists say that He is such for demanding worship and telling us to follow Him, but should He not? Do you not give honor unto the people who raised and brought you up? Surely you do not think they are selfish, to expect obedience and honor from you. They have every right to, if you're their child. Furthermore, is God cruel, for telling us to follow Him, when following Him enables PEACE amongst mankind?!


D: I say that, to prove this. If obedience to God equals love, peace and harmony, then what does disobedience create? Then you see, that disobedience against God, brings about evil. Therefore, a loving God WOULD make rules to minimize that evil as much as possible, no? A loving God WOULD destroy evil, for the benefit of love wouldn't He?

So, then comes the question "How can a loving God allow evil to run amok?". Well, I'm sure you've done something wrong right? Hurt someone maybe? So I ask you, if that person or those people you hurt, asked God to kill you, because of what you did to them, would you want God to kill you? What if God cared enough about you to give you another chance to right your wrongs? Is He then still evil?

If all of us have done evil and you call God cruel and evil for allowing evil people to live, then you'd want God to kill every single one of us, as soon as we do something wrong, whether we be young or old. That isn't so loving now is it??? Yes, it is true that we all fall short of the glory of God. Yes, it is true that we ALL are sinners. Yes, it is true, that we do not deserve God and yes, it is true, that we all deserve God's wrath and the lake of fire, but God sees and understands something. He fully understands that true love can ONLY be achieved by free will. Which is why we have it. Robots are mankind's first hand experience with seeing what happens, when free will is negated. You wouldn't want to be one of them, now would you???

Therefore, if this is the case, then although God knows we aren't perfect, He allows us to be with Him anyway....from the heart. You see, God's true people love God, simply out of love and respect and they see the gifts that God brings...love...TRUE love. Which is away and beyond humanly love, which is undoubtedly imperfect.


E: And finally " The Biblical God is evil for killing so many people". Well, if you read the above, then it should make clear sense as to why. Atheists often use the argument that God killed many people and they try to use that to "debunk" Him, but they miss one thing. When God killed those people, did He not constantly plead for them to turn away from their ways? God was amongst those people 24/7, so they had no excuse to do what they did. They were in the same situation of Lucifer. He knew better and being that he is a spirit, he had no human lusts, so he deserved to be kicked out. So did those people deserve what they had coming. Now, it's different, because most of us are brought up by family doctrine. 99% being purely unbiblical, or we may grow up in another faith and because of this, Father has more mercy upon us, because most of us don't know any better.


2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.


Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.


Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


As for children? They are innocent.


Psalms 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.


Understand this. For the sake of good, evil must perish. The time when matters not, for all men good or bad, face judgment and as above states, God gives every man chances to do that which is right. Will they all? No, but it would be unloving of God to not give them the chance. Also, would it be loving if God did not avenge His children, who the kings of this earth persecute?


Psalms 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.


And;


Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


Besides, where do you think "karma" came from???


Jeremiah 17:9-10 KJV
The heart is deceitful above all things , and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[10] I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.


Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


Finally, some will say "Well, I didn't ask to be here." Well, God didn't ask for you to be here either. Especially being that the majority of us are born out of wedlock. God's just trying to make the best out of a bad situation.


Some ask "Why would a loving God, send people to eternal damnation?" Well, I ask you, why would a loving God, allow evil to go on forever??? He won't and He can't.



5) THE BIBLE HAS CONTRADICTIONS


A: This one should pretty much be simple. Lets exam this from the atheist's point of view.

Hypothetically speaking atheists, if God really did create the universe and everything therein and hypothetically speaking, one of the ways that He speaks to us, is through His Word, how can you then think that mankind can truly and fully understand God's Word, well....without God teaching us??? Only God can tell you about Himself, therefore WE CANNOT ensue knowledge of the Word, without God's help.


Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.


John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


So, there are not any contradictions in God's word (KJV), rather just people who do not follow the above quoted Scripture. Honestly, what do you expect the outcome to be? Even Biblical scholars account for this, as the great majority of themselves don't have the Holy Ghost guiding them in Scripture. They follow themselves and others.

It's like a person who never had a job in the medical field, telling people that they have a medical degree and license and have first hand experience of everything medical. It just isn't happening, without the proper practice, study and understanding and even then, it takes time and patience. Atheists are exactly the same.


1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.




6) THE BIBLE VERSION ISSUE


A: What is one of the best ways to deal with competition? I'm sure any person that deals in business can answer this for you....counterfeiting, mirroring, impersonating.

For instance, lets just say that your favorite cereal is Honey Nut Cheerios. One day, whilst shopping in Wal-Mart, you come across another brand, a knock off brand of your favorite cereal. The art on the box catches your eye and the cheaper price definitely looks good as well. Then, you see these words on the box "Compare to Honey Nut Cheerios".

So, you think "Hey, how bad can they be? It'll save me a couple of dollars and I'm sure that they taste the same and it even says that it compares to Honey Nut Cheerios. I'll give them a shot."

So, you arrive at home and eagerly await to try them. After you put them in a bowl, add milk and get a spoon, you try them and pause in disgust. You spit them out and say "This crap is disgusting!!!". See, you just got played. You knew that the original Honey Nut Cheerios are your favorite, but yet you got captivated by an attractive box, misleading words and a cheaper price and you know what? Thousands of people will undoubtedly make the same mistake that you just made.

Just because something looks good and just because something sounds good, it does not mean that it is always good. Lucifer knows this and this is why there are so many versions. Why? (Refer to section 5)


John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.


If you read section 5, then you know that true understanding of God and His Word, only comes by and through the Holy Ghost. So, if hypocrites outweigh true Christians, their delusion must be kept fed, no? No matter what people may say, the KJV is the only pure word of God. It is the only version that the Holy Ghost confirms and this, you can ask of Him.

So, why do people flock to these modern bibles? Because they all come with the promise of being "easier" to read. However, many people fail to see the Satanism behind these lukewarm bibles. The NIV for instance, is from the same publisher of the satanic bible. The NKJV, has the satanic trinity/tri-gram symbol on it.

These aren't the worst offences though. The NIV, NKJV, NLT, NSV, etc deny the Godhead, purposely switch God to Satan in many verses and takes out soul saving verses. Thus, what you end up with, is a lukewarm, evil gospel. Surely the works of the people who read such bibles are not of God at all. Now, this isn't saying that everyone who uses the KJV is of God, because that is not the case.



Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.



Finally, many people think many things about King James, but I ask you...when has God Himself spoken ill about James, to you? Also, if the KJV is the true word of God, wouldn't Satan attack it??? The KJV is "archaic", they say. "We need bibles for our time", they say. God's Word lasts forever and God does not change. Therefore, man needs to change, not God.




B: See this:



C: See this:




7) HYPOCRITICAL "CHRISTIANS"


A: Yet again, this does not debunk God, but rather the people who claim to be of Him. Is this God's fault? What does God say about hypocrites?



James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.


Romans 2:1-11
1) Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2) But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3) And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4) Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6) Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11) For there is no respect of persons with God.



Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.



Matthew 7:16-20
16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.



Ezekiel 18:24-26
24) But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

25) Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?

26) When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.



So, as you can see, God has a much stronger problem with hypocrites, more than you do. He also tells us, how to see which ones are of Him and which ones aren't. Unfortunately, hypocrites far outnumber true Christians and we are told;


John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


They will be rewarded according to their works, don't worry. However, you should not be mocking God, because He Himself dislikes hypocrites and you should not mock true Christians, because apparently your issue is with the hypocrites. Therefore, let THEM know of their works. Case closed.




8) CHRISTIANS MURDERING CHRISTIANS


A: Here we are and this isn't debunking God. Atheists always attend to this argument, but most do it knowingly, because most atheists know that Catholicism has nothing to do with true Christianity. Yes, saints of Christ were murdered by the Catholic church and the Templars, but if you have been reading section 7, you already know what God says about fruits and those who do or don't truly follow Him.

If that's the case, there's no way in the world Catholics and the Templars have anything to do with true Christianity and in fact, if true Christians are being persecuted, what then does that say about them, if the rulers of this earth are attacking just one people???



Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.



John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.



Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.



John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.



Psalms 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.



Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.



9) FALSE IMAGES OF JESUS CHRIST


A: This yet again, is something solely dependent on the hypocrites, for God clearly states;


Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


Deuteronomy 4:15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:

4:16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

4:17 The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,

4:18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:

4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.


So, if God told us to stay away from graven images, even those in the likeness of male and female, why are "Christians" filling their homes, cars, whatever with these "heavenly" images? You know why. We know why. What's scary though, is that regardless of religion, regardless of belief, the entire world has been absolutely brainwashed to believe that this image is actually Jesus.

People worship these statues, images and totally ignore the commandments of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Little do they know, the demonic properties held within these images. Again, you'll see from their fruits.


Many people have many beliefs about Jesus' looks, but include very little to no Scripture to back up their claims. Now, the physical image of Jesus shouldn't matter, because we all know that He is the Light and salvation is NOT colorblind;



John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



However, here's a couple of verses. Make of them, what you will.


Hebrews 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.



1 Corinthians 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.


^^^ Would this really have been said, let alone be a part of Scripture, if Jesus had long hair??? Long hair is a feminine trait. It always has and always will be. As far as the Lord being from the tribe of Judah, Lord willing, seek that of His own will, if He has it.

If you want to know who this modern depiction of "Jesus Christ" really is, Lord willing Google "Cesare Borgia".


Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.




10) CHRISTIANITY CAME FROM OTHER PAGAN RELIGIONS


A: The glorious thing about this argument from atheists, is that they ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE that these other religions are pagan in nature. Why is this important, well because the Bible is COMPLETELY against paganism and exposes ALL of them.. You know, Catholicism, sun worship, planet worship, Egyptian mythology, Greek mythology, etc. Hold up though....don't the elite worship those very same things??? And, need I remind you, the differences between modern and true Christianity? Modern Christianity is New Age, filled with nothing but universal doctrine, primarily taken from the Catholic church. True Christianity, is purely Biblical. No additives, no sedatives.


B: See: Thread: Sun, Moon, Star and Planet Worship...condemned by God.



C: Here's an example;



Ezekiel 8:4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.

8:5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.

8:6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.

8:7 And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.

8:8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.

8:9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.

8:10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.

8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.

8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.

8:13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.

8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.




11) THE ELITE WROTE THE BIBLE TO CONTROL THE MASSES


A: This is by far, the most ill informed, illogical argument made by atheists. They have little to no proof of this claim and when they think that they do, it's often just misinterpreted Scripture. The Bible is the only religious text, that exposes the elite on every single front, in every single way. This we will prove, by of course, Scripture.


B: See this: Thread: So The Illuminati Wrote The Bible Eh?


C: Lets go through a quick checklist, shall we???


-1] Acts 4:25-26 KJV
Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?

[26] The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.


Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.


So, here we are being told that the "kings of the earth" are against God/Christ and His people. Why would the elite even put their selves into this situation? Furthermore, why would the elite say "Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure."???

Not only does God say, that He will bring His wrath upon them, but that He also is not pleased with them. But the elite wrote that right??? Wrong!



-2] Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


In a nutshell, Satan is offering Jesus to sell His soul, in order to give Him glory of the world. That's basically by today's terminology, being a celebrity right?! I mean, they travel ALL over the world, are adored and worshipped by millions and are rich in wealth, but you know who signs these people's checks don't you???

So, why would the elite speak so ill against serving them, if they wrote the Bible to control us??? Oh wait, there's more.



Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

If you don't know, mammon means money.



Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?


Doesn't get any clearer than that, now does it?


1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.


James 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


Self explanatory.



-3] 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.



Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.



2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.



I ask you, what has come of the world, in these past say, ten years??? Are you aware of how people are these days???

No one loves each other. Everyone loves to lie. Everyone loves to steal. Everyone loves to hurt. Pornography is considered normal these day, as in times past, people were ashamed of it. Marriage isn't held as being scared and everyone is ready and willing to leave their spouse on a moments whim. The usage of drugs are at an all time high and even children are exposed to them. Virginity is now seen as a bad thing. People have sex with whoever they meet. Homosexuality is now accepted by the world. Abortion, people love fighting and blood and gore. It's just plain DARK and EVIL here on earth.

Now, if you read section 4, then you know that following the commandments of God, leads to truth, love and peace. So, why and how can the elite tell us to live in love, truth and righteousness, but manipulate society and the media to make the world how it is now??? Yet, the masses wouldn't be this way, if they didn't love the world, like God said, now would they???

Yes, the elite writing the bible is VERY illogical, because EVERYTHING God warned us of and told us NOT to do, has happened and we all have the elite to thank for that. Not God. Not the Bible, the ELITE and I mean the spiritual elite, not the flesh and blood kings.



Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


Again, how else do you expect the kings to methodically plan SO many things and keep it contained and controlled so well, over thousands of years, without some other forces to help aid? It's impossible. If there were no fallen angels here to help, their plans would have been broken so long ago.

Have you ever wondered why the world knows who's plotting against us all, but yet there hasn't been some trigger happy crazy guy, to try and kill the kings? By all means, it wouldn't be hard to do. Yet, the SAME blood lines have stayed, untouched, unharmed for all these years. They're just flesh and blood. They have help, spiritual help.


Can you see now? This world has been set up from the beginning and it has happened so fast. When people did at least care about God, things were far better. This world is so dark now and us as a people have proven it. I ask you, does mankind really deserve to go on forever? Would you want your children to live here? What about, when the elite finally achieve their Order? Would you want your children to be a slave with no true happiness? Then, we agree that this madness needs to end....and it will. By God's hand.



And no, it isn't some stupid aliens, because these "aliens" all flee in the name of Jesus Christ. Do feel free to witness the countless reports of abductions being stopped in the name of Jesus Christ, or find out personally. You choose.




Matthew 10:22-24 KJV

22) And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23) But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

24) The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.



John 15:13-21 KJV

13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

14) Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15) Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

16) Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

17) These things I command you, that ye love one another.

18) If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

21) But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.


What's that?! Jesus is TELLING us to flee from the elite?! From persecution?! Well, why would the elite tell us this? Why would the elite tell us to flee from them and survive until the end??? Also, if the elite wrote the Bible, why would we Christians be hated by the world? What are we going to do to you??? This prophecy has already happened, because we are already ousted and hated by the world. Case CLOSED!




12) GOD DOESN'T EXIST, BECAUSE I'VE NEVER MET HIM


A: Very much understandable and valid. However, if you read section 4, you already know that we are more than likely brought up in lies.


Isaiah 59:1 Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.



Sin departs us from God and being that we are sinners by nature, our connection with Him is originally severed. This was proven when God told Adam that he would die. They died spiritually and sin was first introduced. However, as the world went on, the sins got worse and worse, thus putting God away further and further from us. Of course God had a plan. Since there was no way, that we could originally find Him, He gave us a conscious. That little voice that tells us to do good, yes that is Him. However, the elite has made sure that we are bombarded with tell-a-vision, music, drugs and other things, to block out that voice. Thus, the little bond we had, leaves. The other plans were this; To make His Word known to all people. This is why we have the Bible (KJV) Through the Word of God, we have the opportunity the create the bridge that we need with God. Of course the elite was on top of that and rewrote history, telling us lies that Christianity was based off older pagan tradition. Then, atheism was finally introduced, to drive the final nail against Christianity. They also will be used to exterminate God's people, but that is for another time Lord willing.

Lastly, when the world was at peak at wickedness, God came humbly in the flesh, to not only show us the way to live, but to have another chance at salvation. Being that all men are sinners, none was worthy enough to bring that second chance, that's why God had to do it Himself, because He is perfect. Hopefully now you'll understand how just important the Godhead is.

Anyway, He came in flesh and when He was murdered on the cross, that was all of God's wrath against us humans on Himself. He loved us enough that, although we didn't deserve it, He did the ultimate thing, to give us that chance. To add one last thing, He left the Final Piece for us to be with Him....the Holy Ghost. Again, God cannot be in contact with the world because of sin, so instead He has to dwell within us, which comes by baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, John 3, Romans 8. By receiving the Holy Ghost, the connection between God and man is established and will always be as long as the person follows according to Him.


Isaiah 66:1-2
1) Thus saith the Lord,

The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:

where is the house that ye build unto me?

and where is the place of my rest?

2) For all those things hath mine hand made,

and all those things have been, saith the Lord:

but to this man will I look,

even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit,

and trembleth at my word.


Acts 7:45-50
45) Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

46) Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.

47) But Solomon built him an house.

48) Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

49) Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

50) Hath not my hand made all these things?


Acts 17:24-25
24) God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25) Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;


1 Kings 8:27 KJV

But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?


2 Chronicles 6:18 KJV

But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!


2 Corinthians 6:16-18
16) And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18) And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Revelation 21:3
3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


Romans 8:9-14
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

1 Corinthians 3:9
9) For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.



B: Therefore since the world cannot see God, He first needs to be seen through His people.


Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:


This is also why the elite has planted denominations and false teachers. They split the Gospel and bring lies.


2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.



Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.


Furthermore, this is why we are led to believe that people who hear God are mentally unstable. Why we have people do wickedness in the name of God. Again people, fruits. It assures that you won't be hearing God either. One important thing is this;


Isaiah 5:20 KJV

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!



What the elite does, is trick us into what is "good" or "acceptable". Thus, we grow up with a false sense of good and evil and that then derails us from God, because we have been indoctrinated to think that what we do is okay. Examples being premarital sex, homosexuality, drug using, alcoholism, etc. Why does the media so heavily push these agendas? To "stick it" to God and get more people to do it. Again, the media is the main culprit, as the majority of people follow whatever they see in society.


C: Some atheists have even stated that they have tried all religions, trying to find God. Now, whether their sincerity is true or not, remains unknown, but for arguments sake, let's deem them to be true.


Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


From here, we can see that God intends to make sure that the entire earth knows about Him. So, whether it be Africa, Japan, Korea, US, wherever, all tongues shall learn of the Lord and how to be with Him. It's so important, that the end will not come until it is done and with today's technology, this prophecy has been fulfilled effortlessly.

So, what does this mean for you? It means, that at some point in your life, you have been shown the way to God and if not now, then you will. Although, I'm sure that God has already given multiple chances.

So, did you take heed, or did you reject it? If you rejected it, then there's no way that your argument of not meeting God is valid. To add, some of you act as if God owes you something and let me tell you sternly, that God doesn't owe you a THING. You owe Him or have you forgotten the fact that you spend all your days attacking God and He out of the love He is, allows you to still be alive!


Answers. Answers come from;



Deuteronomy 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.


How many of you can say that you have absolutely done this??? Not even believers have done this, hence their hypocrisy. So, stop attacking God, stop attacking His people and ACTUALLY do what it takes to find Him. By all means, isn't that what science is all about? Or are you scared that you may actually find out that He does???



The atheist can't find God for the same reason that a thief can't find a policeman.
Author Unknown



God exists whether or not men may choose to believe in Him. The reason why many people do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God.
Robert A. Laidlaw


I guess it would be easier to live life thinking, that you're your own god. "Do What Thou Wilt" right? You can't even see that you are following the same old rehashed and satanic philosophy! All by LUCIFERIAN ELITE!!!



Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.





13) Closing


A: 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.



1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;




Just some things to marinade on. Prophecy fulfilled and not even the elite could have come up with this. Let alone to fully understand it.






Glory be to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!!

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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Being a realist really isn't that bad, just sayin'.
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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Can you define your idealogy?
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Can you define your idealogy?
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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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They are all weak arguments. Is that 100% all your effort, OP?
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Don't you just love it when a Jehovah's witness shows up at your door and *ehhem* "IMPOSES HIS BELIEFS ON YOU" while you were calmly eating chips and watching Breaking Bad?

Believe what you want and let others believe what they want. Everyone is right (and wrong) in their own way.
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Wait, I thought the "DINOS WERENT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE" was YOUR points (you the Atheist)...sorry but yeah Atheists got nothing.
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The kingdom of Heaven is like unto LEAVEN (YEAST), which a WOMAN took and HID in three measures of meal, until the WHOLE WAS LEAVENED.

Matthew 13:33




The entire doctrine has hidden Pharisee teachings/hypocrisy. He already told us, but who really believes?
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Don't you just love it when a Jehovah's witness shows up at your door and *ehhem* "IMPOSES HIS BELIEFS ON YOU" while you were calmly eating chips and watching Breaking Bad?

Believe what you want and let others believe what they want. Everyone is right (and wrong) in their own way.
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You don't want a ticket to Eternity?
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Don't you just love it when a Jehovah's witness shows up at your door and *ehhem* "IMPOSES HIS BELIEFS ON YOU" while you were calmly eating chips and watching Breaking Bad?

Believe what you want and let others believe what they want. Everyone is right (and wrong) in their own way.
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And maybe God sent you that person to get your attention because you aren't listening to Him.
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Don't you just love it when a Jehovah's witness shows up at your door and *ehhem* "IMPOSES HIS BELIEFS ON YOU" while you were calmly eating chips and watching Breaking Bad?

Believe what you want and let others believe what they want. Everyone is right (and wrong) in their own way.
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You don't want a ticket to Eternity?
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... I just want to eat my chips and salsa.
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One thing I learned from reading this is that the OP is a smug, pompous, arrogant and self-sanctimonious prick.
Whatever it is he's pushing in his own babbled way, I want no part of in case it makes me like him.
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Don't you just love it when a Jehovah's witness shows up at your door and *ehhem* "IMPOSES HIS BELIEFS ON YOU" while you were calmly eating chips and watching Breaking Bad?

Believe what you want and let others believe what they want. Everyone is right (and wrong) in their own way.
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You don't want a ticket to Eternity?
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... I just want to eat my chips and salsa.
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Enjoy earth's offerings while you can then hf
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Believe what you want and let others believe what they want. Everyone is right (and wrong) in their own way.
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And maybe God sent you that person to get your attention because you aren't listening to Him.
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The Source gets plenty of attention when I'm dreaming, let's leave it at that ;)
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Wait, I thought the "DINOS WERENT MENTIONED IN THE BIBLE" was YOUR points (you the Atheist)...sorry but yeah Atheists got nothing.
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They never do. I kindly ask all believers and Christians alike to refrain from responding to the nonbelievers. They will only prove God right, hence the big bold warning at top. Sit back and watch no one prove anything wrong.coffee4 You will see first hand what atheists do, when they cannot prove or disprove anything.

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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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WARNING: IF YOU CARE ANY ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS, YOU WILL READ THIS, IN ITS ENTIRETY. YOU CAN READ THIS AT DIFFERENT INTERVALS IF YOU CHOOSE, BUT PLEASE DO NOT SPEAK UNTIL YOU HAVE FINISHED READING. COMMENTS HAVE TIME STAMPS, SO IF YOU REPLY IN 5 MINUTES FOR EXAMPLE, WE KNOW THAT YOU DIDN'T READ IT IN ITS ENTIRETY AND WE WON'T EVEN BOTHER TO RESPOND. YOU WILL NEED TO READ THIS IN ITS ENIRETY. IF NOT, YOU WILL MORE THAN LIKELY ASK QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN COVERED.



In order to correctly debunk true (not modern) Christianity, one must have FULL knowledge of what is or isn't true Christianity and this thread will help in those regards. These points will be from our personal experiences with atheists and in all honesty, the great majority of atheists arguments happen to all be the same, 99% of the time. These things that you (the atheist) need to realize before making and deciding your arguments or debates against God, will greatly increase the credibility of your arguments. Now, notice that I said "credibility", because after realizing and acknowledging these very same things, you will have very little to argue or debate with, if at all.


1) THE BIBLE DOES NOT SPEAK ON DINOSAURS

This common argument, is mostly based, just because the word "dinosaur" is never mentioned. According to Wikipedia upon many other sources (feel free to look it up for yourself), we are told this about the origin of the word "dinosaur";


A: Etymology

"The taxon Dinosauria was formally named in 1842 by paleontologist Sir Richard Owen, who used it to refer to the "distinct tribe or sub-order of Saurian Reptiles" that were then being recognized in England and around the world.[8]:103 The term is derived from the Greek words δεινός (deinos, meaning "terrible," "potent," or "fearfully great") and σαῦρος (sauros, meaning "lizard" or "reptile").[8]:103[9] Though the taxonomic name has often been interpreted as a reference to dinosaurs' teeth, claws, and other fearsome characteristics, Owen intended it merely to evoke their size and majesty.[10]"


This being the case, why then would you expect the word "dinosaur" to be used within the Bible, which is thousands of years in age???


B: Although the word "dinosaur" is not referred to in the Bible, we do have some clues regarding such large beasts existing. More notably the Leviathan.



Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?


Psalms 74:14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.


Psalms 104:26 There go the ships: there is that leviathan, whom thou hast made to play therein.


Isaiah 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.


And then of course, we have the situation of Jonah;


Jonah 2:1 Then Jonah prayed unto the LORD his God out of the fish's belly,

2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

2:3 For thou hadst cast me into the deep, in the midst of the seas; and the floods compassed me about: all thy billows and thy waves passed over me.

2:4 Then I said, I am cast out of thy sight; yet I will look again toward thy holy temple.

2:5 The waters compassed me about, even to the soul: the depth closed me round about, the weeds were wrapped about my head.

2:6 I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever: yet hast thou brought up my life from corruption, O LORD my God.

2:7 When my soul fainted within me I remembered the LORD: and my prayer came in unto thee, into thine holy temple.

2:8 They that observe lying vanities forsake their own mercy.

2:9 But I will sacrifice unto thee with the voice of thanksgiving; I will pay that that I have vowed. Salvation is of the LORD.

2:10 And the LORD spake unto the fish, and it vomited out Jonah upon the dry land.


C: Last but not least, knowledge of dinosaurs doesn't bring salvation. It doesn't lead us to follow God in Spirit and in Truth, so why should dinosaurs even be a primary focus??? They have nothing to do with us. There's more to touch on, but the next section will take care of that mostly.



2) DINOSAURS ARE SAID TO EXIST MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO


A: This is rather the trivial matter, due to the fact that SCIENCE says this. That's all that atheists go on. SCIENCE. Science says that the earth preexisted far beyond thousands of years ago. Other than science, there is no more "proof" of this belief, for science has it's own methods of "figuring" out the truth. This doesn't make it credible nonetheless, but when children are taught that science is the only answer, this behavior is expected. Again, it doesn't make it anymore correct, than a tarot card reader using cards to "predict" the past or future. It simply is "truth" because you will it to be.


B: To one man, he thinks that Michael Jordan is the best basketball player ever. To another man, Kobe Bryant. Are either of these men correct??? Only personal perception wills these men's beliefs to be true. So, is the same with science. It is simply just another tool, giving an alternative viewpoint on how things are and work.

Due to the fact that no man was alive to see the "Big Bang", it only makes it pure speculation, as one man decided to jot down his OWN personal opinions on how the universe works. You simply chose this mans theory (wonder why the word "theory" will never be dropped???) as "truth". This, then makes the belief in evolution, purely based on faith. According to God's Word, faith is defined as;


Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


Thus evolution falls into this category as well as with any other religion or belief.



3) HOW ARE WE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT GOD FLOODED THE ENTIRE EARTH?


A: Again, the atheist isn't debunking God at all here. In the minds of atheists it's HUMANLY impossible to flood the entire earth and that's where they error. If God is the Source behind all creation, why wouldn't He be able to flood the entire earth? Because it isn't "scientifically" possible? Why are you forming God to your human perspectives??? Why would God be restricted to the imagination of man, by science??? It just doesn't work that way and they know this. This will not stop them from trying to use this logic however.


B: This comes most as common knowledge, but if such a great flood DID occur, what would you expect to find afterwards? FOSSILS, SKELETONS. I believe this quote is rather suitable;


“If Noah’s flood really did occur, what would you expect to find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth. And guess what we find? Billions of dead things, buried in rock layers, laid down by water, all over the earth"


C: To wrap this up, we have fossils of dinosaurs and it's fact that they are from the past, but the masses are being deceived as to the dating of these objects. Isn't that ingenious though? Again, science is just ANOTHER tool for examining the world. The KKK, Freemasons, gangs and the like have their own views as to how things work, but it doesn't make them anymore true. Personal perception does not change reality. To everyone, their "reality" may be real to them, but only one reality can be correct. That Reality can be found by anyone, if they so choose to see Him.



4) GOD IS CRUEL FOR KILLING SO MANY PEOPLE / GOD IS EVIL FOR ALLOWING EVIL TO RUN AMOK


A: Yet again, the atheist is not even trying to debunk God, they are just disagreeing with His methods. The reason they DO this, is to sow seeds of doubt within those of little faith or those on the fence. They are fully aware of what they're doing. Now, lets face their argument.


B: In order to call God "just" or "cruel", we must first understand these given situations which are being judged.

If one really even takes key detail into Scripture (KJV) they'll see a common occurrence, before God brings judgment upon man;


Deuteronomy 28:1 And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

28:2 And all these blessings shall come on thee, and overtake thee, if thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God.

28:3 Blessed shalt thou be in the city, and blessed shalt thou be in the field.

28:4 Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy ground, and the fruit of thy cattle, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.

28:5 Blessed shall be thy basket and thy store.

28:6 Blessed shalt thou be when thou comest in, and blessed shalt thou be when thou goest out.

28:7 The LORD shall cause thine enemies that rise up against thee to be smitten before thy face: they shall come out against thee one way, and flee before thee seven ways.

28:8 The LORD shall command the blessing upon thee in thy storehouses, and in all that thou settest thine hand unto; and he shall bless thee in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

28:9 The LORD shall establish thee an holy people unto himself, as he hath sworn unto thee, if thou shalt keep the commandments of the LORD thy God, and walk in his ways.

28:10 And all people of the earth shall see that thou art called by the name of the LORD; and they shall be afraid of thee.

28:11 And the LORD shall make thee plenteous in goods, in the fruit of thy body, and in the fruit of thy cattle, and in the fruit of thy ground, in the land which the LORD sware unto thy fathers to give thee.

28:12 The LORD shall open unto thee his good treasure, the heaven to give the rain unto thy land in his season, and to bless all the work of thine hand: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, and thou shalt not borrow.

28:13 And the LORD shall make thee the head, and not the tail; and thou shalt be above only, and thou shalt not be beneath; if that thou hearken unto the commandments of the LORD thy God, which I command thee this day, to observe and to do them:

28:14 And thou shalt not go aside from any of the words which I command thee this day, to the right hand, or to the left, to go after other gods to serve them.



Exodus 15:22 So Moses brought Israel from the Red sea, and they went out into the wilderness of Shur; and they went three days in the wilderness, and found no water.

15:23 And when they came to Marah, they could not drink of the waters of Marah, for they were bitter: therefore the name of it was called Marah.

15:24 And the people murmured against Moses, saying, What shall we drink?

15:25 And he cried unto the LORD; and the LORD shewed him a tree, which when he had cast into the waters, the waters were made sweet: there he made for them a statute and an ordinance, and there he proved them,

15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.

15:27 And they came to Elim, where were twelve wells of water, and threescore and ten palm trees: and they encamped there by the waters.



From these two (out of many) examples, we see that God pleads before His people, before bringing judgment. He pleads for them to follow His commandments and His statutes. Why? Because, His ways are righteous. Now, lets be honest, where would we be as an entire race, if no one lied, if no one stole, if no one committed adultery, if no one coveted others, if everyone spread their wealth, so that being poor would cease to exist. What if no one killed, loved their neighbor as if they loved themselves? If everyone actually waited until marriage to lose their virginity? Regardless of what/who/Who you believe in, you have to admit that the world would be a utopia if this were the case.


C: So, if God is giving mankind rules, in order to have love abound peacfully within the earth, how is He cruel or unjust? Atheists say that He is such for demanding worship and telling us to follow Him, but should He not? Do you not give honor unto the people who raised and brought you up? Surely you do not think they are selfish, to expect obedience and honor from you. They have every right to, if you're their child. Furthermore, is God cruel, for telling us to follow Him, when following Him enables PEACE amongst mankind?!


D: I say that, to prove this. If obedience to God equals love, peace and harmony, then what does disobedience create? Then you see, that disobedience against God, brings about evil. Therefore, a loving God WOULD make rules to minimize that evil as much as possible, no? A loving God WOULD destroy evil, for the benefit of love wouldn't He?

So, then comes the question "How can a loving God allow evil to run amok?". Well, I'm sure you've done something wrong right? Hurt someone maybe? So I ask you, if that person or those people you hurt, asked God to kill you, because of what you did to them, would you want God to kill you? What if God cared enough about you to give you another chance to right your wrongs? Is He then still evil?

If all of us have done evil and you call God cruel and evil for allowing evil people to live, then you'd want God to kill every single one of us, as soon as we do something wrong, whether we be young or old. That isn't so loving now is it??? Yes, it is true that we all fall short of the glory of God. Yes, it is true that we ALL are sinners. Yes, it is true, that we do not deserve God and yes, it is true, that we all deserve God's wrath and the lake of fire, but God sees and understands something. He fully understands that true love can ONLY be achieved by free will. Which is why we have it. Robots are mankind's first hand experience with seeing what happens, when free will is negated. You wouldn't want to be one of them, now would you???

Therefore, if this is the case, then although God knows we aren't perfect, He allows us to be with Him anyway....from the heart. You see, God's true people love God, simply out of love and respect and they see the gifts that God brings...love...TRUE love. Which is away and beyond humanly love, which is undoubtedly imperfect.


E: And finally " The Biblical God is evil for killing so many people". Well, if you read the above, then it should make clear sense as to why. Atheists often use the argument that God killed many people and they try to use that to "debunk" Him, but they miss one thing. When God killed those people, did He not constantly plead for them to turn away from their ways? God was amongst those people 24/7, so they had no excuse to do what they did. They were in the same situation of Lucifer. He knew better and being that he is a spirit, he had no human lusts, so he deserved to be kicked out. So did those people deserve what they had coming. Now, it's different, because most of us are brought up by family doctrine. 99% being purely unbiblical, or we may grow up in another faith and because of this, Father has more mercy upon us, because most of us don't know any better.


2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.


Luke 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.

12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.


Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Matthew 5:3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.

5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.

5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

5:11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.


As for children? They are innocent.


Psalms 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.


Understand this. For the sake of good, evil must perish. The time when matters not, for all men good or bad, face judgment and as above states, God gives every man chances to do that which is right. Will they all? No, but it would be unloving of God to not give them the chance. Also, would it be loving if God did not avenge His children, who the kings of this earth persecute?


Psalms 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.


And;


Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.

12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.


Besides, where do you think "karma" came from???


Jeremiah 17:9-10 KJV
The heart is deceitful above all things , and desperately wicked: who can know it?

[10] I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.


Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.


Finally, some will say "Well, I didn't ask to be here." Well, God didn't ask for you to be here either. Especially being that the majority of us are born out of wedlock. God's just trying to make the best out of a bad situation.


Some ask "Why would a loving God, send people to eternal damnation?" Well, I ask you, why would a loving God, allow evil to go on forever??? He won't and He can't.



5) THE BIBLE HAS CONTRADICTIONS


A: This one should pretty much be simple. Lets exam this from the atheist's point of view.

Hypothetically speaking atheists, if God really did create the universe and everything therein and hypothetically speaking, one of the ways that He speaks to us, is through His Word, how can you then think that mankind can truly and fully understand God's Word, well....without God teaching us??? Only God can tell you about Himself, therefore WE CANNOT ensue knowledge of the Word, without God's help.


Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.


John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.


Isaiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.

55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.


So, there are not any contradictions in God's word (KJV), rather just people who do not follow the above quoted Scripture. Honestly, what do you expect the outcome to be? Even Biblical scholars account for this, as the great majority of themselves don't have the Holy Ghost guiding them in Scripture. They follow themselves and others.

It's like a person who never had a job in the medical field, telling people that they have a medical degree and license and have first hand experience of everything medical. It just isn't happening, without the proper practice, study and understanding and even then, it takes time and patience. Atheists are exactly the same.


1 Corinthians 2:4 And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:

2:5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

2:8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

2:11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.




6) THE BIBLE VERSION ISSUE


A: What is one of the best ways to deal with competition? I'm sure any person that deals in business can answer this for you....counterfeiting, mirroring, impersonating.

For instance, lets just say that your favorite cereal is Honey Nut Cheerios. One day, whilst shopping in Wal-Mart, you come across another brand, a knock off brand of your favorite cereal. The art on the box catches your eye and the cheaper price definitely looks good as well. Then, you see these words on the box "Compare to Honey Nut Cheerios".

So, you think "Hey, how bad can they be? It'll save me a couple of dollars and I'm sure that they taste the same and it even says that it compares to Honey Nut Cheerios. I'll give them a shot."

So, you arrive at home and eagerly await to try them. After you put them in a bowl, add milk and get a spoon, you try them and pause in disgust. You spit them out and say "This crap is disgusting!!!". See, you just got played. You knew that the original Honey Nut Cheerios are your favorite, but yet you got captivated by an attractive box, misleading words and a cheaper price and you know what? Thousands of people will undoubtedly make the same mistake that you just made.

Just because something looks good and just because something sounds good, it does not mean that it is always good. Lucifer knows this and this is why there are so many versions. Why? (Refer to section 5)


John 8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.


If you read section 5, then you know that true understanding of God and His Word, only comes by and through the Holy Ghost. So, if hypocrites outweigh true Christians, their delusion must be kept fed, no? No matter what people may say, the KJV is the only pure word of God. It is the only version that the Holy Ghost confirms and this, you can ask of Him.

So, why do people flock to these modern bibles? Because they all come with the promise of being "easier" to read. However, many people fail to see the Satanism behind these lukewarm bibles. The NIV for instance, is from the same publisher of the satanic bible. The NKJV, has the satanic trinity/tri-gram symbol on it.

These aren't the worst offences though. The NIV, NKJV, NLT, NSV, etc deny the Godhead, purposely switch God to Satan in many verses and takes out soul saving verses. Thus, what you end up with, is a lukewarm, evil gospel. Surely the works of the people who read such bibles are not of God at all. Now, this isn't saying that everyone who uses the KJV is of God, because that is not the case.



Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.



Finally, many people think many things about King James, but I ask you...when has God Himself spoken ill about James, to you? Also, if the KJV is the true word of God, wouldn't Satan attack it??? The KJV is "archaic", they say. "We need bibles for our time", they say. God's Word lasts forever and God does not change. Therefore, man needs to change, not God.




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7) HYPOCRITICAL "CHRISTIANS"


A: Yet again, this does not debunk God, but rather the people who claim to be of Him. Is this God's fault? What does God say about hypocrites?



James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:

1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.

1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.


Romans 2:1-11
1) Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.

2) But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things.

3) And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?

4) Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

5) But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

6) Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7) To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

8) But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,

9) Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;

10) But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

11) For there is no respect of persons with God.



Matthew 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.



Matthew 7:16-20
16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.



Ezekiel 18:24-26
24) But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

25) Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?

26) When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.



So, as you can see, God has a much stronger problem with hypocrites, more than you do. He also tells us, how to see which ones are of Him and which ones aren't. Unfortunately, hypocrites far outnumber true Christians and we are told;


John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.


They will be rewarded according to their works, don't worry. However, you should not be mocking God, because He Himself dislikes hypocrites and you should not mock true Christians, because apparently your issue is with the hypocrites. Therefore, let THEM know of their works. Case closed.




8) CHRISTIANS MURDERING CHRISTIANS


A: Here we are and this isn't debunking God. Atheists always attend to this argument, but most do it knowingly, because most atheists know that Catholicism has nothing to do with true Christianity. Yes, saints of Christ were murdered by the Catholic church and the Templars, but if you have been reading section 7, you already know what God says about fruits and those who do or don't truly follow Him.

If that's the case, there's no way in the world Catholics and the Templars have anything to do with true Christianity and in fact, if true Christians are being persecuted, what then does that say about them, if the rulers of this earth are attacking just one people???



Mark 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.



John 16:2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.



Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.



John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

15:21 But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.



Psalms 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.



Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.

4:27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

4:28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.



9) FALSE IMAGES OF JESUS CHRIST


A: This yet again, is something solely dependent on the hypocrites, for God clearly states;


Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


Deuteronomy 4:15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:

4:16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,

4:17 The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,

4:18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:

4:19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.


So, if God told us to stay away from graven images, even those in the likeness of male and female, why are "Christians" filling their homes, cars, whatever with these "heavenly" images? You know why. We know why. What's scary though, is that regardless of religion, regardless of belief, the entire world has been absolutely brainwashed to believe that this image is actually Jesus.

People worship these statues, images and totally ignore the commandments of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Little do they know, the demonic properties held within these images. Again, you'll see from their fruits.


Many people have many beliefs about Jesus' looks, but include very little to no Scripture to back up their claims. Now, the physical image of Jesus shouldn't matter, because we all know that He is the Light and salvation is NOT colorblind;



John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



However, here's a couple of verses. Make of them, what you will.


Hebrews 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.



1 Corinthians 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.


^^^ Would this really have been said, let alone be a part of Scripture, if Jesus had long hair??? Long hair is a feminine trait. It always has and always will be. As far as the Lord being from the tribe of Judah, Lord willing, seek that of His own will, if He has it.

If you want to know who this modern depiction of "Jesus Christ" really is, Lord willing Google "Cesare Borgia".


Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.




10) CHRISTIANITY CAME FROM OTHER PAGAN RELIGIONS


A: The glorious thing about this argument from atheists, is that they ACTUALLY ACKNOWLEDGE that these other religions are pagan in nature. Why is this important, well because the Bible is COMPLETELY against paganism and exposes ALL of them.. You know, Catholicism, sun worship, planet worship, Egyptian mythology, Greek mythology, etc. Hold up though....don't the elite worship those very same things??? And, need I remind you, the differences between modern and true Christianity? Modern Christianity is New Age, filled with nothing but universal doctrine, primarily taken from the Catholic church. True Christianity, is purely Biblical. No additives, no sedatives.


B: See: Thread: Sun, Moon, Star and Planet Worship...condemned by God.



C: Here's an example;



Ezekiel 8:4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.

8:5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.

8:6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.

8:7 And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.

8:8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.

8:9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.

8:10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, pourtrayed upon the wall round about.

8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.

8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.

8:13 He said also unto me, Turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations that they do.

8:14 Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD's house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz.

8:15 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these.

8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORD's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east.

8:17 Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose.

8:18 Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.




11) THE ELITE WROTE THE BIBLE TO CONTROL THE MASSES


A: This is by far, the most ill informed, illogical argument made by atheists. They have little to no proof of this claim and when they think that they do, it's often just misinterpreted Scripture. The Bible is the only religious text, that exposes the elite on every single front, in every single way. This we will prove, by of course, Scripture.


B: See this: Thread: So The Illuminati Wrote The Bible Eh?


C: Lets go through a quick checklist, shall we???


-1] Acts 4:25-26 KJV
Who by the mouth of thy servant David hast said, Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things?

[26] The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.


Psalms 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?

2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,

2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.

2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.

2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.


So, here we are being told that the "kings of the earth" are against God/Christ and His people. Why would the elite even put their selves into this situation? Furthermore, why would the elite say "Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure."???

Not only does God say, that He will bring His wrath upon them, but that He also is not pleased with them. But the elite wrote that right??? Wrong!



-2] Luke 4:5 And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.

4:6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it.

4:7 If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.

4:8 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.


In a nutshell, Satan is offering Jesus to sell His soul, in order to give Him glory of the world. That's basically by today's terminology, being a celebrity right?! I mean, they travel ALL over the world, are adored and worshipped by millions and are rich in wealth, but you know who signs these people's checks don't you???

So, why would the elite speak so ill against serving them, if they wrote the Bible to control us??? Oh wait, there's more.



Luke 16:13 No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

If you don't know, mammon means money.



Mark 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?


Doesn't get any clearer than that, now does it?


1 John 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.


James 4:1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?

4:2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.

4:3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


Self explanatory.



-3] 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Galatians 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Ephesians 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

5:7 Be not ye therefore partakers with them.

5:8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:

5:9 (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

5:10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.



Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.



2 Timothy 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.



I ask you, what has come of the world, in these past say, ten years??? Are you aware of how people are these days???

No one loves each other. Everyone loves to lie. Everyone loves to steal. Everyone loves to hurt. Pornography is considered normal these day, as in times past, people were ashamed of it. Marriage isn't held as being scared and everyone is ready and willing to leave their spouse on a moments whim. The usage of drugs are at an all time high and even children are exposed to them. Virginity is now seen as a bad thing. People have sex with whoever they meet. Homosexuality is now accepted by the world. Abortion, people love fighting and blood and gore. It's just plain DARK and EVIL here on earth.

Now, if you read section 4, then you know that following the commandments of God, leads to truth, love and peace. So, why and how can the elite tell us to live in love, truth and righteousness, but manipulate society and the media to make the world how it is now??? Yet, the masses wouldn't be this way, if they didn't love the world, like God said, now would they???

Yes, the elite writing the bible is VERY illogical, because EVERYTHING God warned us of and told us NOT to do, has happened and we all have the elite to thank for that. Not God. Not the Bible, the ELITE and I mean the spiritual elite, not the flesh and blood kings.



Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.


Again, how else do you expect the kings to methodically plan SO many things and keep it contained and controlled so well, over thousands of years, without some other forces to help aid? It's impossible. If there were no fallen angels here to help, their plans would have been broken so long ago.

Have you ever wondered why the world knows who's plotting against us all, but yet there hasn't been some trigger happy crazy guy, to try and kill the kings? By all means, it wouldn't be hard to do. Yet, the SAME blood lines have stayed, untouched, unharmed for all these years. They're just flesh and blood. They have help, spiritual help.


Can you see now? This world has been set up from the beginning and it has happened so fast. When people did at least care about God, things were far better. This world is so dark now and us as a people have proven it. I ask you, does mankind really deserve to go on forever? Would you want your children to live here? What about, when the elite finally achieve their Order? Would you want your children to be a slave with no true happiness? Then, we agree that this madness needs to end....and it will. By God's hand.



And no, it isn't some stupid aliens, because these "aliens" all flee in the name of Jesus Christ. Do feel free to witness the countless reports of abductions being stopped in the name of Jesus Christ, or find out personally. You choose.




Matthew 10:22-24 KJV

22) And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

23) But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

24) The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.



John 15:13-21 KJV

13) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

14) Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15) Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

16) Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

17) These things I command you, that ye love one another.

18) If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19) If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20) Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

21) But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.


What's that?! Jesus is TELLING us to flee from the elite?! From persecution?! Well, why would the elite tell us this? Why would the elite tell us to flee from them and survive until the end??? Also, if the elite wrote the Bible, why would we Christians be hated by the world? What are we going to do to you??? This prophecy has already happened, because we are already ousted and hated by the world. Case CLOSED!




12) GOD DOESN'T EXIST, BECAUSE I'VE NEVER MET HIM


A: Very much understandable and valid. However, if you read section 4, you already know that we are more than likely brought up in lies.


Isaiah 59:1 Behold, the LORD's hand is not shortened, that it cannot save; neither his ear heavy, that it cannot hear:

59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear.



Sin departs us from God and being that we are sinners by nature, our connection with Him is originally severed. This was proven when God told Adam that he would die. They died spiritually and sin was first introduced. However, as the world went on, the sins got worse and worse, thus putting God away further and further from us. Of course God had a plan. Since there was no way, that we could originally find Him, He gave us a conscious. That little voice that tells us to do good, yes that is Him. However, the elite has made sure that we are bombarded with tell-a-vision, music, drugs and other things, to block out that voice. Thus, the little bond we had, leaves. The other plans were this; To make His Word known to all people. This is why we have the Bible (KJV) Through the Word of God, we have the opportunity the create the bridge that we need with God. Of course the elite was on top of that and rewrote history, telling us lies that Christianity was based off older pagan tradition. Then, atheism was finally introduced, to drive the final nail against Christianity. They also will be used to exterminate God's people, but that is for another time Lord willing.

Lastly, when the world was at peak at wickedness, God came humbly in the flesh, to not only show us the way to live, but to have another chance at salvation. Being that all men are sinners, none was worthy enough to bring that second chance, that's why God had to do it Himself, because He is perfect. Hopefully now you'll understand how just important the Godhead is.

Anyway, He came in flesh and when He was murdered on the cross, that was all of God's wrath against us humans on Himself. He loved us enough that, although we didn't deserve it, He did the ultimate thing, to give us that chance. To add one last thing, He left the Final Piece for us to be with Him....the Holy Ghost. Again, God cannot be in contact with the world because of sin, so instead He has to dwell within us, which comes by baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Mark 16:16, Acts 2:38, John 3, Romans 8. By receiving the Holy Ghost, the connection between God and man is established and will always be as long as the person follows according to Him.


Isaiah 66:1-2
1) Thus saith the Lord,

The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool:

where is the house that ye build unto me?

and where is the place of my rest?

2) For all those things hath mine hand made,

and all those things have been, saith the Lord:

but to this man will I look,

even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit,

and trembleth at my word.


Acts 7:45-50
45) Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

46) Who found favour before God, and desired to find a tabernacle for the God of Jacob.

47) But Solomon built him an house.

48) Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

49) Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

50) Hath not my hand made all these things?


Acts 17:24-25
24) God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

25) Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;


1 Kings 8:27 KJV

But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?


2 Chronicles 6:18 KJV

But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!


2 Corinthians 6:16-18
16) And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17) Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18) And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


Revelation 21:3
3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


Romans 8:9-14
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

10) And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12) Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

13) For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


1 Corinthians 3:16-17
16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

17) If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


1 Corinthians 6:19-20
19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

1 Corinthians 3:9
9) For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.



B: Therefore since the world cannot see God, He first needs to be seen through His people.


Hebrews 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:


This is also why the elite has planted denominations and false teachers. They split the Gospel and bring lies.


2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.



Jeremiah 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.

23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.


Furthermore, this is why we are led to believe that people who hear God are mentally unstable. Why we have people do wickedness in the name of God. Again people, fruits. It assures that you won't be hearing God either. One important thing is this;


Isaiah 5:20 KJV

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!



What the elite does, is trick us into what is "good" or "acceptable". Thus, we grow up with a false sense of good and evil and that then derails us from God, because we have been indoctrinated to think that what we do is okay. Examples being premarital sex, homosexuality, drug using, alcoholism, etc. Why does the media so heavily push these agendas? To "stick it" to God and get more people to do it. Again, the media is the main culprit, as the majority of people follow whatever they see in society.


C: Some atheists have even stated that they have tried all religions, trying to find God. Now, whether their sincerity is true or not, remains unknown, but for arguments sake, let's deem them to be true.


Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.


Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


From here, we can see that God intends to make sure that the entire earth knows about Him. So, whether it be Africa, Japan, Korea, US, wherever, all tongues shall learn of the Lord and how to be with Him. It's so important, that the end will not come until it is done and with today's technology, this prophecy has been fulfilled effortlessly.

So, what does this mean for you? It means, that at some point in your life, you have been shown the way to God and if not now, then you will. Although, I'm sure that God has already given multiple chances.

So, did you take heed, or did you reject it? If you rejected it, then there's no way that your argument of not meeting God is valid. To add, some of you act as if God owes you something and let me tell you sternly, that God doesn't owe you a THING. You owe Him or have you forgotten the fact that you spend all your days attacking God and He out of the love He is, allows you to still be alive!


Answers. Answers come from;



Deuteronomy 4:29 But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.


How many of you can say that you have absolutely done this??? Not even believers have done this, hence their hypocrisy. So, stop attacking God, stop attacking His people and ACTUALLY do what it takes to find Him. By all means, isn't that what science is all about? Or are you scared that you may actually find out that He does???



The atheist can't find God for the same reason that a thief can't find a policeman.
Author Unknown



God exists whether or not men may choose to believe in Him. The reason why many people do not believe in God is not so much that it is intellectually impossible to believe in God, but because belief in God forces that thoughtful person to face the fact that he is accountable to such a God.
Robert A. Laidlaw


I guess it would be easier to live life thinking, that you're your own god. "Do What Thou Wilt" right? You can't even see that you are following the same old rehashed and satanic philosophy! All by LUCIFERIAN ELITE!!!



Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.





13) Closing


A: 1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1:20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

1:23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:

1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:

1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.



1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.

3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

3:21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;




Just some things to marinade on. Prophecy fulfilled and not even the elite could have come up with this. Let alone to fully understand it.






Glory be to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!!!
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Too much to take in, and everyone knows (either consciously or not), that Religion is for tossers.
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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Its based on fiction.
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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous





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