The two witnesses in different books

We see the first Elijah was from Gad...or benjamin and
The 2nd Elijah was from Levi but both were priests:

Three different theories regarding Elijah's origin are presented in the Haggadah: (1) he belonged to the tribe of Gad (Gen. R. lxxi.); (2) he was a Benjamite from Jerusalem, identical with the Elijah mentioned in I Chron. viii. 27; (3) he was a priest. That Elijah was a priest is a statement which is made by many Church fathers also (Aphraates, "Homilies," ed. Wright, p. 314; Epiphanius, "Hæres." lv. 3, passim), and which was afterward generally accepted, the prophet being further identified with Phinehas

The final Elijah also a priest as we see from the example in Zechariah showing one of the two anointed who are on the left and right of the candlestick being high priest Joshua and the other being the governor of Judah Zerrubbabel.

Why is the final Elijah from the line of Joseph just as the jews believe because we see the example of the two representatives of the two houses of Judah(firstborn/Adam) and Ephraim(2nd born/Eve) in Ezekiel 37:19:


The unification of the firstborn(Judah/Adam) with the 2nd born(Ephraim/Eve):



Ezekiel 37:19:
19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

hence the messiah ben joseph(forerunner/Elijah) and messiah ben david the jews are waiting for and that are described as end-time anointed. Joseph(2nd born birthright) dying at the gates of Jerusalem and David(firstborn/Judah) raising him from the dead

The confusion between christians and Jews is:

The christians can only see Jesus(messiah ben joseph(first coming) and messiah ben David(2nd coming)


The jews can see the two witnesses the two that are said to be end-time people and on earth at the same time fighting wars(messiah ben Joseph and messiah ben David the two representatives of Jesus on earth one representing the priestly side and the other representing the kingly side....kind of a nice way to hide those two.

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Notice Moses holds the Phallus and Aaron holds the egg in the original 1611 king james artwork:






Between Moshe and his brother Aaron, it is clear that Moshe performed the duties related to the masculine, Ark-of-the-Covenant focal point of the Tabernacle, while Aaron’s duties revolved around the service of the altar and the rest of the holy vessels, representing the feminine aspect of serving God. Indeed, as archetypal souls, Moshe and Aaron correspond to the two sefirot victory and acknowledgment, also a masculine-feminine pair.

We can now say that the role of the priesthood, represented by Aaron, is to function as does a woman in her household. In the Tabernacle (and later in the Holy Temple), Aaron and his sons were responsible for lighting the candles, baking the bread, setting the table; roles, that relative to the role given to Moshe Rabbeinu—hearing the Divine speech from between the two cherubs—are feminine in nature. Thus, to a certain extent the blossoming of a staff indicates the ability of the male to not only conquer the physical realm but to be sensitive to its needs and nurture its development and growth.4 God’s choice of Aaron for the role of the High Priest was based on his being a patriarchal leader who could connect with his feminine side and express the feminine yearning for serving God.

Notice 2 people get signant rings Zerrubbabel which represents Judah(firstborn) and Joseph which represents(2nd born) and we know Judah represents Jesus' kingship and Joseph the suffering servant represents Jesus' priesthood and we know those two offices are separate because the things of earth are always lower than the things of heaven so only Jesus is both king and priest in heaven.

So one ring indicates authority over the dominion of kingship on earth and the other ring indicates authority of dominion over priesthood on earth:


The promise of Adam(1st born) and Eve(2nd born) to have dominion
Genesis 1:28:

King James Bible
And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.



Haggai 2:23:

King James Bible
In that day, saith the LORD of hosts, will I take thee, O Zerubbabel, my servant, the son of Shealtiel, saith the LORD, and will make thee as a signet: for I have chosen thee, saith the LORD of hosts.


Genesis 41:42:

King James Bible
And Pharaoh took off his ring from his hand, and put it upon Joseph's hand, and arrayed him in vestures of fine linen, and put a gold chain about his neck;

Again showing Judah(firstborn) and Joseph(2nd born) being representatives to both houses...the firstborn(Adam) and the 2nd born(Eve) reunited
Ezekiel 37:

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.




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Just for kicks, mentally replace any historically significant James with Jacob and see if any interesting patterns emerge.

Then do the same for the following additional variations of Jacob:

Jameson, Jamison, Jaime, Jamie, Giacomo, Seumas, Séamus, Hamish, Jimmy, Jim, Jack, Jackson, Jake, Jaimie, Diego, Dieguez, Diogo, Tiago, Jimbo, Iacomus.

It's noteworthy that you quote passages from the King James Version/ King Jacob Version
Bible. King Jacob was a Scottish king crowned on the Stone of Scone/Jacob's Pillar.

The first permanent English settlement in North America was Jamestown/Jacobtown.

That's enough to get you started.


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blue = masculine
pink = feminine

3 And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob(2nd born), and tell the children of Israel(firstborn);

4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.




Aren't we "joyful" that Jesus came not only to save firstborn Israel but also gave the birthright to(2nd born Jacob). That when 2nd born Jacob came forth from firstborn Israel he didn't abandon us

Til the fullness of the gentiles when the firstborn "ISRAEL" will see that they aren't "ISRAEL" and "JACOB" ever since Eve(2nd born) was brought forth from Adam(1st born) and the nation Jacob(2nd born) was divided from Israel(firstborn) the nation

If God only intended to save a first born Israel(Adam) and not the 2nd born Jacob(Eve) this is how many people would be on earth today and there would be no kingdom:



but instead God did this:

bring forth the 2nd born and give them the birthright:



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When you divide an adam Israel or firstborn to bring forth an Eve jacob or 2nd born and give the birthright to the 2nd born you have these steps before unity of the two happen:

Starts off in unity (2nd born still inside of adam) 2ND born Jacob nation still inside firstborn Israel nation

Then comes division. Eve came forth from Adam. Jacob comes forth from Israel

Then comes conflict (wilderness) the wilderness is where the reunification happens

1. Unity
2. Division
3. Conflict (wilderness)
4. "UNITY"

How do we know they will be reunited?:

Because every second born who received the birthright reunited

1 jacob reunited with Esau
2.Issac reunited with Ishmael to bury Abraham

Therefore we know ephraim (2nd born) will unite with judah (1st born) and adam(firstborm) will reunite with eve (2nd born).

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The actual service done in the Temple (offering sacrifices, etc.) was never intended for the first born; that was given to Aaron. According to rabbinic tradition, the job was really to go to Moses and he lost it for his reluctance to take the mantle of leadership that God put upon him at the burning bush.


The burning bush experience would have had to be a time that was a visit from God and not doing what was asked(cemetery) one of the consequences was the loss of the priesthood(joshuah the high priest of zechariah) but the kingship will still be his.

I like how you worded last weeks karma:

If you can see me, it was God's direction and he used you as a mouthpiece for my benefit not yours.


Exodus 4:14-17New American Standard Bible (NASB)

Aaron to Be Moses’ Mouthpiece

14 Then the anger of the Lord burned against Moses, and He said, “Is there not your brother Aaron the Levite? I know that [a]he speaks fluently. And moreover, behold, he is coming out to meet you; when he sees you, he will be glad in his heart. 15 You are to speak to him and put the words in his mouth; and I, even I, will be with your mouth and his mouth, and I will teach you what you are to do. 16 Moreover, he shall speak for you to the people; and he will be as a mouth for you and you will be as God to him. 17 You shall take in your hand this staff, with which you shall perform the signs.”

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1. To be the priest you have to know who the king is

2. To be an Eve you have to know who Adam is

3. To be a jacob you have to know who Israel is

4. To be a Joseph/Ephraim you have to know who Judah is

5. To be an Aaron you have to know who Moses is

6. To be a Joshua you have to know who Zerrubbabel is

Here is why Israel the nation and Israel the sevant can't be Israel and Jacob

Jacob means 2nd born with the birthright of 1st born

Adam a type of Israel was divided and a 2nd born(Jacob) came forth from the fistborn giving her the title of firstborn also

Israel the nation first born. Jacob came forth from Israel was 2nd born and received the birthright of first born through the sacrifice Jesus made.


Now if Adam never divided and Israel the nation never divided I would agree there would be no second born Jacob as they would be both Israel and Jacob and there would be no need for Jesus to come and save the 2nd born and give them 1st born rights

Then everywhere we saw those 2nd borns we could eliminate them as there would be no need for them they can't get the birthright. So here is who we would need to take out of the bible as they have no firstborn birth right and that is a requirement to be in the Kingdom of God whether natural or wild you have to be part of the olive tree(Israel) as those two houses join once the two witnesses come they will learn why the 2nd born had to receive the birthright in order to gain entrance into the kingdom then the fullness of the gentiles will be here and the veil will be lifted from off the eyes of Israel to seeing their brother Jacob

So here is who we would need to take out of the bible as they have no firstborn birth right

Eve 2nd born(mother of the world so we could stop there)
Issac 2nd born
Jacob 2nd born
Joseph 2nd born
Ephraim 2nd born

And of course we would need to change Gods name as he is called the God of Abraham, Issac(2nd born) and Jacob(2nd) born

Then to go onto the priesthood there would be no priesthood as we seen in the above post Moses reluctance at the burning bush(trailer) which disqualified him from having the priesthood therefore we don't have any 2nd borns(representing the 2nd house) with firstborn birth rights to serve in that position


By saying Israel is both Israel(firstborn) and Jacob(2nd born) and there was no division is saying Jesus didn't come to save anyone as Israel rejected Jesus and wait for 2 others. Who are they waiting for? Messiah ben Judah(firstborn) and Messiah ben Joseph(2nd born with the birthright) the two witnesses


So by saying Israel is both Israel and Jacob then Jesus should have just stayed home there was no reason for the sacrifice but as we know the purpose of Jesus coming was to save the 2nd born as we know God blinded Israel(until the fulness of the gentiles) to that salvation so it could be offered to the gentiles(2nd born)

The problem with all Israels is they have "identity crisis"



identity crisis
noun
Simple Definition of identity crisis


: a feeling of unhappiness and confusion caused by not being sure about what type of person you really are or what the true purpose of your life is


They don't realize they were at some point divided and cannot be 1st born(Israel) and 2nd born(Jacob). An Israel can never be a 2nd born as they are firstborn but the 2nd born can become a firstborn through the birthright and that is what Jesus did made the 2nd born a 1st born through the birthright

They don't realize they are the kingly nation and the 2nd born is the priestly nation but they will at the fullness of the gentiles

Isaiah 45:4:

King James Bible
For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called twtfy thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.

What are the surnames of Israel the firstborn:

1. Adam
2. Israel
3. Judah..etc

What are the surnames of Jacob the 2nd born

1. Eve
2. Jacob
3. Joseph..etc

You can't be 1st born and 2nd born it is impossible






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Exodus 4:27:

King James Bible
And the LORD said to Aaron, Go into the wilderness to meet Moses. And he went, and met him in the mount of God, and kissed him.

Now I understand why I had to tell you the other thing "David you are the man" back in 2012 when I came and told you what I did...it didn't make sense back then but it does now.


2nd Samuel 12:

12 And the Lord sent Nathan unto David. And he came unto him, and said unto him, There were two men in one city; the one rich, and the other poor.

2 The rich man had exceeding many flocks and herds:

3 But the poor man had nothing, save one little ewe lamb, which he had bought and nourished up: and it grew up together with him, and with his children; it did eat of his own meat, and drank of his own cup, and lay in his bosom, and was unto him as a daughter.

4 And there came a traveller unto the rich man, and he spared to take of his own flock and of his own herd, to dress for the wayfaring man that was come unto him; but took the poor man's lamb, and dressed it for the man that was come to him.

5 And David's anger was greatly kindled against the man; and he said to Nathan, As the Lord liveth, the man that hath done this thing shall surely die:

6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing, and because he had no pity.

7 And Nathan said to David, Thou art the man. Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, I anointed thee king over Israel, and I delivered thee out of the hand of Saul;

8 And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things.



The rich man wanted the things that were not his

David wanted the thing which was not his

Israel is not satisfied with being firstborn it also wants to take the birthright of the 2nd born by believing they are Israel(firstborn) and Jacob(2nd born)



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We know Joseph was the 2nd born from Mother Rachael because he received the "birthright" and that goes to 2nd born. Judah received the firstborn right from mother Leah as those are the two women who built Israel according to Ruth


We notice Joseph was with his brothers but was separated from his brothers just as a jacob separated from Israel.

This will happen again in the end as we are dealing with Josephs house the 2nd born nation Jacob....Joseph(2nd born) witness will be in the nation of jacob but will leave(go into captivity) before the rest just as Joseph left his brothers before the famine came.

Genesis 49:26:

King James Bible
The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.




Ezekiel 19:

We see his leaving and the 2nd witness coming forth in Ezekiel 19:


3 And she brought up one of her whelps: it became a young lion, and it learned to catch the prey; it devoured men.

4 The nations also heard of him; he was taken in their pit, and they brought him with chains unto the land of Egypt.

5 Now when she saw that she had waited, and her hope was lost, then she took another of her whelps, and made him a young lion.

6 And he went up and down among the lions, he became a young lion, and learned to catch the prey, and devoured men.

7 And he knew their desolate palaces, and he laid waste their cities; and the land was desolate, and the fulness thereof, by the noise of his roaring.

8 Then the nations set against him on every side from the provinces, and spread their net over him: he was taken in their pit.

9 And they put him in ward in chains, and brought him to the king of Babylon: they brought him into holds, that his voice should no more be heard upon the mountains of Israel.



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The one witness would more than likely be born the same time Israel the kingly nation(firstborn) was born so that would be 1948

The second witness would be priestly as we see from Zechariah the two anointed one being from Judah and the other Joshua the high priest. Notice this Joshua is called "Jerusalem" in Zechariah 3:2:

King James Bible
And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?

Now if these two witnesses are representative of Jesus' kingship and priesthood on earth we look at when Jesus began his ministry:

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Jesus was about 30 years old when he began [his ministry]. Jesus, so people thought, was the son of Joseph, son of Eli,

So the first witness starting in about 1948/1949 would have had a Moses burning bush moment at "about" age 30 which would have been 1978/1979. Him being a type of moses would have been asked to do something and would have been "reluctant" this reluctance as shown in the above post would have been his loss of the priesthood just as it was for moses and now has to wait for his "Aaron" to show up just as was shown happening in Exodus.

The 2nd witness as we see in Zechariah is called "Jerusalem" and we know Jerusalem came back in possesion of Israel in 1967 so more than likely this is 'about the year' the other witness would be born

So "about" 30 years from 1967/1968 is 1997/1998 this is when the end-time Aaron should have came in contact and with this end-time Moses








All the characters in the bible show the mission of the two witness but only those two can fulfill the mission this is why nobdody can decide whether the two witnesses are Moses and Aaron or Joshua and Zerrubbabel or Enoch and Elijah..etc because all those characters play out the mission that only the final two can fulfill. One will be kingly and the other priestly one the firstborn and the other 2nd born with the birthright That is how these two are "IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK" and yet "HIDDEN"

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Notice where this first lion cub of Ezekiel 19 is taken...he is taken to "Egypt" the same place Joseph was taken to.


Ephraim 2nd born with 1stborn birth right from the same line as Joseph 2nd born with 1st born birthright this tells us this first cub will be taken in chains but will become fruitful:

Genesis 41:52:

King James Bible
And the name of the second called he Ephraim: For God hath caused me to be fruitful in the land of my affliction.



This is messiah ben Joseph and certainly he will spend time in prison just as joseph did but he will find favor just as Joseph did and this is how he will become a military leader as described in the dead sea scrolls before being killed at the gates of jerusalem

Notice in exodus 4 God wants Moses to circumcize his 2nd born son and Moses refuses so it says God went to kill moses...but Moses partner(wife) stepped up and did the circumcision

The 2nd born in the end is the house of ephraim(united states)...Moses was sent not to do a physical circumcision but a circumcision of the heart(1978) to the 2nd born house of ephraim ...his refusal will be corrected by sending his partner(wife) to do it



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I agree with all this. You may not like Mormons but they would agree with you 100% on these points. Mormons are considered (by Mormons) to be Ephraim generally and there will come a time when Judah or really the state of Israel and Jews will recognize Mormons. Mormons believe Joseph smith received the keys to the gathering of Israel you mentioned. I never saw all the intricacies here in the passages but I think you are right.

I think the two witnesses are man and wife. Mormons occasionally serve missions when they are old (in addition to mission at 18). That's who I think they are. Confused how a female could be considered a priest. I know Mormons are taboo here but oh well, I could be wrong.

Further wanted to add that I don't see how people believe the two witnesses are Moses/Elijah or other prophets from the Old Testament. These people have long since passed and they would have to resurrected twice? Very strange. I think the word witness definitely denotes missionary or that type of work(maybe evangelicals would say testifying) and that these two are very well known by the world. You can see that by the people's reaction to when they are killed. These two are much bigger than a couple in Jerusalem trying to get Jews to believe in Jesus. That happens and is never notable and does not make world news.

I don't think you can back in to the ages of these two, I think you are just extrapolating too much here. Just my opinion.

Joseph Smith has nothing to do with the end time witnesses...the end time witnesses die after the 3rd temple is built...joseoh smith is a dollar short and a day late...lol

Yes, I agree he doesn't directly have anything to do with them. I am saying there are similarities, both are involved in the gathering of Israel and the reunification of Ephraim and Judah. I'm just saying its an lds belief. Technically one of the missions of the lds church is the gathering of Israel. I think the two witnesses are involved in this as well.

Which one are they gathering? Judah or Ephraim and how are they gathering them?

It's kind of complicated to be honest. I would think of the gathering as both coming together, not one or the other per se. The lds belief is that right now primarily Ephraim is being gathered. And I am sure you know when I say Ephraim I really mean it in a northern kingdom sense where I am talking about the 10 tribes, not just Joseph (the lds believe most are Manasseh or Ephraim, that's another topic). The gathering is both spiritual and physical. By spiritual I mean coming to the realization and belief of the gospel and Jesus Christ. Somewhat physical right now too in the sense that you're going to an organized religion in a building. But there will be a time when it is very physical in the sense that the saints will actually gather physically in a geographic location (I believe salt lake or thereabouts but would have to look it up). There is also a physical gathering in Jerusalem as well. The gathering of Judah (to Ephraim and the other 10 tribes in the lds church) primarily hasn't happened yet, I don't know why. I have met some Jewish converts though.

They are gathering them through missionary work, the lds go on 2 year missions when they are 18. Not all go, but quite a few. I went to Czechoslovakia. This ties in with what I said earlier that the two witnesses
are missionaries I believe (this is my opinion) I don't think the lds church has said who they believe they are.

I should have also added that I am somewhat of an obsessive compulsive reader/studyer and right now I am reading parts of the Old Testament that involve the scattering and gathering of the tribes in Ezekiel and the books around there. So this piqued my interest.

Can't say I am familiar with all the denominations as there are around 40,000 but I am curious to see what happens during passover this year as we are still in the 49th year newton expalains....April 26 2016 will be 49 years 7 months and 4 days which is still under 50 years for this prince to Arrive and I believe that prince to be Elijah:....those who celebrate passover week look for Elijah to show up on some passover week...how could he come into everyones house...he would have to be on television(media)




8:00 minutes to 11:00 tells the calculations of the two dates






I don't believe this will be Jesus but I do believe if newtons calculations are right it could be one of the two anointed......the one appears before the other and the one that appears first is elijah or as the jews know him messiah ben joseph....one of the two princes






25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.


Daniel chapter 9 people there is no linquistic basis to add those two number the 49 and 62 and doing so does violence to the language of Daniel...those two numbers are separate and speak of the first coming and the second coming...62 weeks was fulfilled with the first coming and the......june 7 1967 began the 49 year count when Israel captured Jerusalem and the temple mount.........add the 49 years according to Newtons riddle to June 7 1967 and you use 360 prophetic days of years times 49 and you come up with 17640 days and from the day Jerusalem was captured til 17640 days later is the "day of atonement 2015"

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I don't believe this will be Jesus but I do believe if newtons calculations are right it could be one of the two anointed......the one appears before the other and the one that appears first is elijah or as the jews know him messiah ben joseph....one of the two princes

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Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One, the ruler, comes, there will be seven 'sevens,' and sixty-two 'sevens.' It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.

New Living TranslationNow listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler--the Anointed One--comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses, despite the perilous times.

English Standard VersionKnow therefore and understand that from the going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem to the coming of an anointed one, a prince, there shall be seven weeks. Then for sixty-two weeks it shall be built again with squares and moat, but in a troubled time.

New American Standard Bible "So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress.

King James BibleKnow therefore and understand, thatfrom the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Princeshall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

Holman Christian Standard BibleKnow and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince will be seven weeks and 62 weeks. It will be rebuilt with a plaza and a moat, but in difficult times.

International Standard VersionSo be informed and discern that seven weeks and 62 weeks will elapse from the issuance of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed Commander. The plaza and moat will be rebuilt, though in troubled times.

NET BibleSo know and understand: From the issuing of the command to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until an anointed one, a prince arrives, there will be a period of seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. It will again be built, with plaza and moat, but in distressful times.

GOD'S WORD® TranslationLearn, then, and understand that from the time the command is given to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the anointed prince comes, seven sets of seven time periods and sixty-two sets of seven time periods will pass. Jerusalem will be restored and rebuilt with a city square and a moat during the troubles of those times.

Jubilee Bible 2000Know therefore and understand that from the going forth of the word to cause the people to return and to build Jerusalem unto the Anointed {Heb. Messiah} Prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks, while the street shall be built again and the wall, even in troublous times.

King James 2000 BibleKnow therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah, the Prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublesome times.

American King James VersionKnow therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and three score and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

American Standard VersionKnow therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.

Douay-Rheims BibleKnow thou therefore, and take notice: that from the going forth of the word, to build up Jerusalem again, unto Christ the prince, there shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: and the street shall be built again, and the walls in straitness of times

. Darby Bible TranslationKnow therefore and understand: From the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem unto Messiah, the Prince, are seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks. The street and the moat shall be built again, even in troublous times.

English Revised VersionKnow therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the anointed one, the prince, shall be seven weeks: and threescore and two weeks, it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times.

Webster's Bible TranslationKnow therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

World English BibleKnow therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Anointed One, the prince, shall be seven weeks, and sixty-two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troubled times.

Young's Literal TranslationAnd thou dost know, and dost consider wisely, from the going forth of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem till Messiah the Leader is seven weeks, and sixty and two weeks: the broad place hath been built again, and the rampart, even in the distress of the times.


Could this be the 2nd stage of Elijahs appearance...the first was in an unholy way to the jewish people(internet)and will reveal himself to a few people...then the 2nd stage he will be revealed to the whole nation...will it happen on the "DAY OF ATONEMENT" September 23 2015?











So whether we start the count at June 7 1967 when the war happened or when the decree was made on June 28 1967 we have to have 49 full years you never say you are one year old on the first day you are born just as you ask how old a baby is and they say 18 months the 2nd year doesn't start until the full 2 years has finished therefore the full 49 years is determined until the full 50th year of 360 days is complete as it would be 49 years 11 months and 29 days before 49 years isn't finished therefore we have til October 8 2016 for this anointed prince to appear and not be the full 50th year




17 September 1978

Dear Mr. President:

I have the honor to inform you, Mr. President, that on 28 June 1967 - Israel's parliament (The Knesset) promulgated and adopted a law to the effect: "the Government is empowered by a decree to apply the law, the jurisdiction and administration of the State to any part of Eretz Israel (Land of Israel - Palestine), as stated in that decree."

On the basis of this law, the government of Israel decreed in July 1967 that Jerusalem is one city indivisible, the capital of the State of Israel.

Sincerely,
Menachem Begin.







This prince/commander I believe is none other than as the christians know him Elijah and as jews know him messiah ben joseph as judgement can't even come until God sends Elijah and Elijah is expected at passover


American King James VersionKnow therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem to the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and three score and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.



The most likely date for this elijah/messiah ben josephs appearance would be April 26 2016(passover week) as he is expected to arrive on passover week and likely to continue 62 weeks before going into captivity(cut off) which brings us to July 4 2017 and the daniel goes on to say:



This verse explains Jesus arriving as suffering servant priestly 2000 years ago but it may also tell of the arrival of the end-time Elijah the priestly witness

Daniel 9:26American Standard Version (ASV)

26 And after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off, and shall have nothing: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined.