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When Elijah comes he will know the three books


This book shows two servants Israel the first born and Jacob the 2nd born with 1st born birthright

By this book he will know he is the 2nd born with 1st born birthright:

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This book he will know the signs to show the people:

Ezekiel 12:18:

King James Bible
Son of man, eat thy bread with quaking, and drink thy water with trembling and with carefulness;

Ezekiel 12:3:

King James Bible
Therefore, thou son of man, prepare thee stuff for removing, and remove by day in their sight; and thou shalt remove from thy place to another place in their sight: it may be they will consider, though they be a rebellious house.

Ezekiel 21:6:

King James Bible
Sigh therefore, thou son of man, with the breaking of thy loins; and with bitterness sigh before their eyes.

etc...........

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This book he will know which blessing(priestly) he receives:

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

19 And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,

20 Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.



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1. Birthright
2. Blessing
3. signs


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The reason I look for Elijah to arrive this passover is because I believe the anointed one spoken of in daniel 9:25 is elijah which will proclaim judgement is coming....why this year because September 23 2015 was the beginning of the 49 years since Israel took possession of jerusalem.

Daniel 9:25:

Daniel 9:25New International Version (NIV)

25 “Know and understand this: From the time the word goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed One,[a] the ruler, comes, there will be seven ‘sevens,’ and sixty-two ‘sevens.’ It will be rebuilt with streets and a trench, but in times of trouble.


The 50th year jubilee can be a great blessing or a great curse depending on the hearts of the people toward God or away from God....so elijah is sent the 49th year and determining on if the hearts of the people are toward God or away from God it will either be a blessing or a curse


Jubilee is either a time of blessings or curse depending on the peoples heart but "the day of the lord" can't come until Elijah arrives:

Malachi 4:

5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:

6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

This is still the 49th year therefore if judgement is coming during the jubilee this would have to be the year Elijah arrives....April 22-30 2016

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The funny thing about the story of Jacob whose name is changed to Israel is Jacob was not the firstborn but he was the 2nd born who received the firstborn blessing.....the whole story of Jacob is the 2nd born receiving firstborn blessing


Genesis 27:

28 Therefore God give thee of the dew of heaven, and the fatness of the earth, and plenty of corn and wine:

29 Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to twtfe lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee.


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Just as Joseph was 2nd born and given the birthright:

2 For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph's:)

Gen 49:

22Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
23The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
24But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)
25Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
26The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

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Just as Ephraim was not firstborn but the 2nd born but received the firstborn blessing

Jeremiah 31:9:

King James Bible
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.

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When we see Jacobs name being changed to Israel we know jacob was the 2nd born who received fistborn birthright so we know it is speaking of the 2nd born witness or nation as the nation Israel and servant Israel is not a 2nd born but a firstborn

When isaiah chapters 40's is speaking about Israel and Jacob it means the firstborn witness Israel and the 2nd born witness Jacob

If the scriptures speak of Judah(firstborn) and Israel at the same time then that Israel is the Jacob(2nd born) whose name was changed to Israel

Look at the context and search to see if it is speaking of firstborn or 2nd born and you will clearly divide which nation or servanat it is speaking of
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Waterman I appreciate your work on the 2 Witnesses. I have made them my focus too. The mistake you are making is the identity of Judah and the Identity of Ephraim are not Jew and Gentile they are Remnant and multitude. Judah represents the apastolic church, Ephraim represents the apostate multitude that repent and receive their birthright at the end of the age.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Those beheaded (metaphor) are the 144000, the king side of the 2 sticks. This "thousand" is talking about the church age. Thousand is a metaphor for age.

Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

This group is the Ephraim, multitudes, priests. They reign after the second coming which is tabernacles.

This is the BRANCH.

Zec 6:11 Then take silver and gold, and make crowns, and set them upon the head of Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest;
Zec 6:12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:

When the priesthood is crowned. The 2 witnesses are the royal priesthood.

There are 2 "thousand" year periods. thousand is a metaphor used as when we say "a picture is worth a thousand words"

The remnant 144000, Judah are the firstfruits, the tabernacles that are saved first.

Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

Then the whole house.

This happens after tabernacles when new Jerusalem the Bride is revealed.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

The 2 witnesses the 2 sticks is the story of the remnant then the multitudes. it is the story of the Christian church. Ephraim is the apostate and Judah is the 144,000

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Gen 49:10 The sceptre (the 144000) shall not depart from Judah, (the 144000, the lightning from the east Judah) nor a lawgiver from between his feet,(birth of the manchild) until Shiloh come; (the manifests sons) and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. (The multitudes, Ephraim claiming his birthright)

The 2 houses are in the church, new covenant Israel. The brotherhood between Judah and Ephraim was broken the day before the cross.

Zec 11:13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.
Zec 11:14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

The church has been divided the entire new testament age.

The idol shephard is the antichrist spirit
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Good video from 29:00 on if you don't have time to watch the whole thing: Eves name makes up one half of the name of God and Adams name makes up the other half of the name of God. Adams name only makes up one half of Gods name and Eves name makes up the other half. Rabbis know this. Adam was made up of king(male) and priest(female), and Eve took the feminine side when she came forth. It's hard to argue the original translation and yet some only see what they want to see...lol



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You won't see til the furnace of affliction it is written that way
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Just my idea. Look at it in a parallel way in Genesis Jacob when going to the land of his "bride" REMOVED the stone from the well for RachEL "EARLIER" then was supposed to in the hour of the day so she could "water" her father's flock!! Because he loved her at first sight!
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Jer 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jer_50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.
Mat_10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Mat_15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

All talking about the same thing, the pastor that scatter the sheep, the idol (worthless) shephard, the antichrist. Judas was the first antichrist, worthless shephard. His betrayal was the beginning of antichrist and it has left the house desolate. The brotherhood between Judah and Israel was broken at the betrayal.

The church age has been a breach. This is what is healed at the return of Christ when he tabernacles with his joint heirs.

The church age is pentecost, idwelling an earnest of our inheritance.
The second coming is the age of tabernacles when God manifests in his sons. The 2 sticks become one again. Haggai's prophecy is fulfilled.

Hag 2:2 Speak now to Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest, and to the residue of the people, saying,
Hag 2:3 Who is left among you that saw this house in her first glory? and how do ye see it now? is it not in your eyes in comparison of it as nothing?

The 2 Witnesses

Hag 2:9 The glory of this latter house shall be greater than of the former, saith the LORD of hosts: and in this place will I give peace, saith the LORD of hosts.

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Not sure if it means anything but in my dream the other night, I was in London and it was very dark and not a very nice environment, someone even tried to kill me. But right at the end a beast came and decimated London leaving only me and one other man on top of a building that we had flew up to. The beast was standing next to 2 men, one fled straight away and the other stood next to the beast. My companion charged at the man while I charged at the beast's head, I hesitated at the last moment when the beast opened his mouth so I blocked with my arm and something extended out of my arm, possibly a shield, I am not sure and then I woke up...
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Gen 49:10 The sceptre (the 144000) shall not depart from Judah, (the 144000, the lightning from the east Judah) nor a lawgiver from between his feet,(birth of the manchild) until Shiloh come; (the manifests sons) and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. (The multitudes, Ephraim claiming his birthright)

The 2 houses are in the church, new covenant Israel. The brotherhood between Judah and Ephraim was broken the day before the cross.

Zec 11:13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.
Zec 11:14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

The church has been divided the entire new testament age.

The idol shephard is the antichrist spirit
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Well being the 144,000 are not judah...the lawgiver...shiloh or ephraim...they do not die mid trib and aren't given power for 1260 days to perform any miracle they want...I will have to disagree...the two witnesses are the firstborn judah and 2nd born with firstborn birthright Joseph/Ephraim...and they will sit on the left and right of Jesus for eternity.

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Not satan. Hes possessed bt nebo...or "nabu" babylonian...not that it matters....Time time time..
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Gen 49:10 The sceptre (the 144000) shall not depart from Judah, (the 144000, the lightning from the east Judah) nor a lawgiver from between his feet,(birth of the manchild) until Shiloh come; (the manifests sons) and unto him shall the gathering of the people be. (The multitudes, Ephraim claiming his birthright)

The 2 houses are in the church, new covenant Israel. The brotherhood between Judah and Ephraim was broken the day before the cross.

Zec 11:13 And the LORD said unto me, Cast it unto the potter: a goodly price that I was prised at of them. And I took the thirty pieces of silver, and cast them to the potter in the house of the LORD.
Zec 11:14 Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

The church has been divided the entire new testament age.

The idol shephard is the antichrist spirit
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Well being the 144,000 are not judah...the lawgiver...shiloh or ephraim...they do not die mid trib and aren't given power for 1260 days to perform any miracle they want...I will have to disagree...the two witnesses are the firstborn judah and 2nd born with firstborn birthright Joseph/Ephraim...and they will sit on the left and right of Jesus for eternity.

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The 144,000 are the firstfruits


Rev 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

The Governors of Judah

Zec 12:5 And the governors of Judah shall say in their heart, The inhabitants of Jerusalem shall be my strength in the LORD of hosts their God.
Zec 12:6 In that day will I make the governors of Judah like an hearth of fire among the wood, and like a torch of fire in a sheaf; and they shall devour all the people round about, on the right hand and on the left: and Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place, even in Jerusalem.
Zec 12:7 The LORD also shall save the tents of Judah first, that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem do not magnify themselves against Judah.

Consider context Waterman, I'm not arguing with you Waterman friend I appreciate your work tremendously.

The 2 witnesses are the 144,000 and the multitudes.
Judah and Ephraim

The 2 witnesses are the parable of the prodigal son. Ephraim is the prodigal, the 144,000 are the other son.

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Hag 2:2 Speak now to Zerubbabel the son of Shealtiel, governor of Judah, and to Joshua the son of Josedech, the high priest, and to the residue of the people, saying,

Zerubabbel represents the 144,000 and Joshua represents the multitudes

Rev 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
Rev 7:14 And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Zec 3:3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel.
Zec 3:4 And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment.

Joshua represents apostate christianity. Their garments are cleansed through the tribulation.

Ephraim represents the apostate church, the multitudes, being tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine, they "feedeth of wind"

Hos 12:1 Ephraim feedeth on wind, and followeth after the east wind: he daily increaseth lies and desolation; and they do make a covenant with the Assyrians, and oil is carried into Egypt.

This covenant is the covenant with death and hell. The rider of the pale horse.

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Notice those firstborn and 2nd borns always start in union but sooner or later they split..whether its Adam and Eve which is a type of Judah and Jacob the nation..or Judah(firstborn) and Joseph(2nd born with firstborn birthright)..they always split before they are reunited by God.........Where is your second born friend? Who did you share sweet council with before you split...if you can find that guy you will find your second born...firstborns never like 2nd borns because 2nd born receive the birthrigh and 1st born believe that should be theirs........where is your 2nd born? ...look for the person you vex and dont like..look for the person who caught your heel.look for the person you desire to stop communication with and you will find your 2nd born..but you won't see it until the throne room visit because you want to make sure...and that is fine..I will wait if you want to take the hard route...lol




The position of the firstborn birthright holder which is the 2nd born is to offer the sacrifice(priesthood)...therefore the firstborn is not the high priest joshua or the prince of Ezekiel 45 but is the manchild(civil leader) of revelation and king david(ezekiel 37)

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Conclusion:


Who are the two witnesses?


The two who figure out who they are... and one has to catch the others heel to figure it out...the finding of the first-born was the hardest part. Lol


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How can the feminine become royal..whether it be the masculine and feminine nations or masculine and feminine two witnesses?..The feminine/2nd born(priesthood/birthright holder)has to be united with the masculine/firstborn/sceptre holder) to form a royal priesthood..this is not possible until the throne room visit(zechariah 3) due to the pride of the firstborn


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Have I caused you to know "your" place yet day spring(job 38:12)or do you you still see me as a "broken vessel"?



If you think the same as you thought 5 years ago you are not growing you are stagnant...as time progresses you learn new things..there are core beliefs that never change but there are secondary beliefs that change as time progresses...right sword...miss hearing from you but it's meant to be I suppose.

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4 Things you can search with tears for but won't happen

One person being in a Davidic and Levitic kingdom:

1. Firstborn and 2nd born
2. King and High Priest
3. Masculine and Feminine
4. Sceptre and birthright holder

and that is why there are "TWO WITNESSES" one spiritually masculine and one spiritually feminine..one firstborn and one second born...one king and one High Priest..one with the sceptre and the other with the birthright

The things of earth are less than the things of heaven and there is only a melchelzedek(King and High Priest Jesus) order in heaven which is reserved for Jesus...the earthly kingdom is Davidic and Levitic...one witness king and the other high priest( two were promised dominion in Genesis and two will be given dominion)

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Jeremiah 30:

9 Instead, they will serve the Lord their God
and David their king,
whom I will raise up for them.

10
“‘So do not be afraid, Jacob/Israel(2nd born) my servant;
do not be dismayed, Judah/Israel(1st born),’
declares the Lord.



Ezekiel 34:23:

King James Bible
And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.

Ezekiel 37:24:

King James Bible
And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.


Learn your place king

You are:

1. 1st born
2. king
3. sceptre holder
4. spiritual masculine


You are not:

1. 2nd born
2. high priest
3. birthright holder
4. spiritual feminine


leftrightkingpri

Notice Jacob..Joseph..and Ephraim are 2nd born birthright holders and you are a firstborn scepter holder 1 chronicles 5:2...that is partially why your book is 80 percent wrong you mix 1st borns with 2nd borns.. sceptre holders with birthright holders..masculine with feminine and was only intended for me to read...but continue to sell it if you believe it to be 100 percent truth as you stated we will see if you produce a 2nd witness(bible carrier for you) from it.

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We clearly see David is king and is the man child in Rev 12...and we see Joshua the high priest in zechariah 3...why would God need a king and high priest on earth in a Davidic and levitic kingdom after the age of grace alone has ended and the 70th week begins?...What did Joshua the high priest and zerrubabbel the govenor from Judah build after their captivity?...the two witnesses build the third temple after their captivity because after the cleansing of it Joshua is the high priest and zerrubabbel/david is the king....both are surnamed (many names and flattering titles)..we know this from Isaiah 45:4 (those surnames are divided between first born and 2ND born...masculine and feminine..sceptre and birthright..king and priest because we see the word "and"(wich refers to two people) when referring to jacob/Israel 2nd born and Judah/Israel firstborn throughout isaiah).when it tells us jacob/israel (2nd born) and judah/Israel(firstborn) are surnamed


Still think you have the correct interpretation and your book is 100 percent correct king? The teacher is the priest and colleague to the king and is the one with the correct interpretation.

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The division of the blessings are divided by 1st born and 2nd born...kingship and priesthood... masculine and feminine..scepter and birthright:

Notice Adam is a firstborn sceptre holder...judah is a firstborn sceptre holder....David is from the line of judah(firstborn)..zerrubabbel(judah) etc.. firstborn sceptre holders all kings/civil leaders but jacob..joseph and Ephraim are 2nd born birthright holders Joshua is the high priest 2nd born birthright holder in order to offer the sacrifice therefore Joshua the high priest is a 2nd born birthright holder so the 2nd born obtains the blessings of jacob..joseph..ephraim and joshua the high priest...the birthright holder(Joseph 2nd born birthright holder 1 chronic 5:2)) gets one portion above all his brothers including judah(firstborn).

Be careful in actions toward
acquaintances you don't know who are because you can't yet see them or you may find yourself quoting Genesis 44:18..lol


King James Bible
Then Judah(firstborn) came near unto him(joseph 2nd born birthright holder), and said, Oh my lord, let thy servant, I pray thee, speak a word in my lord's ears, and let not thine anger burn against thy servant: for thou art even as Pharaoh.

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James 5:17:

Young's Literal Translation
Elijah was a man like affected as we, and with prayer he did pray -- not to rain, and it did not rain upon the land three years and six months;

Rev. 11:

These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

You could say Elijah is "the waterman" and will shut the water off when he joins with the other witness.

Ezekiel 19 shows us the "two princes" will show up separately and then go into captivity...one to Egypt and the other to babylon..after their captivity God will join them..the one going to egypt arrives before the other witness and leaves before the other witness this witness is elijah/ben joseph...the two princes of Egypt were Joseph which was a forerunner(elijah is the forerunner) to the prince of Egypt Moses which equals the "two princes of Israel" of Ezekiel 19....these two are the two princes of Israel but Israel has turned it's land into the land of Egypt through idolatry and worshiped the created instead of the creator...it is a reverse story of moses and Aaron and the people will not want to leave the Egypt they created and are slaves to their sins.

The age of aquarius:




















How to divide the surnames(isaiah 45:4) of the two witnesses
one the king/civil leader and the other the priest
One firstborn and the other 2nd born birthright holder just as you have a firstborn judah/Israel nation and a 2nd born Jacob/Israel nation


Ezekiel 1:3:

3 the word of the Lord came to Ezekiel the priest...John the baptist was the 2nd elijah from the line of levi and was a priest..the 3rd elijah will be a priest from the line of Joseph(the birthright holder line) which will make him the high priest(Ezekiel 37) as the birthright holder is the one able to offer the sacrifice. David on the other hand will be from the line kings/sceptre holders come from...the line of Judah.


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Ezekiel 3:


7 But the house of Israel will not hearken unto thee; for they will not hearken unto me: for all the house of Israel are impudent and hardhearted.

8 Behold, I have made thy face strong against their faces, and thy forehead strong against their foreheads.

9 As an adamant harder than flint have I made thy forehead: fear them not, neither be dismayed at their looks, though they be a rebellious house.

10 Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, all my words that I shall speak unto thee receive in thine heart, and hear with thine ears.

11 And go, get thee to them of the captivity, unto the children of thy people, and speak unto them, and tell them, Thus saith the Lord God; whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear.



You didn't listen in 1978
You aren't listening now
But you will listen with a strong rebuke from the Father in the throne room soon
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Good night judah (firstborn)

Joseph and Judah

Can you see your vexing coming to an end soon Judah(firstborn)(Isaiah 11:13)...I can(Ephraim/2nd born birthright holder) and the finale will be in the throne room(zech 3).

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Mark 3:

21 When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, “He is out of his mind.

Mark 6:

4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

You think Elijah will be loved by everyone and you will embrace him when he arrives..lol..he will be loved by no one and when he leaves he will leave with nothing as a sign of what the people he warned will leave with...NOTHING!


40 plus years of studying and you still can't see how the servant Elijah will come..the world hates the two witnesses and they don't start off loving them...that gift giving in then end when they are dead wasn't because they started off liking them...lol..but guess what...they don't care if the world likes them...they care about the plan of God. The reunification of the 1st born and 2nd born.

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Notice Moses holds the Phallus and Aaron holds the egg in the original 1611 king james artwork:

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Between Moshe and his brother Aaron, it is clear that Moshe performed the duties related to the masculine, Ark-of-the-Covenant focal point of the Tabernacle, while Aaron’s duties revolved around the service of the altar and the rest of the holy vessels, representing the feminine aspect of serving God. Indeed, as archetypal souls, Moshe and Aaron correspond to the two sefirot victory and acknowledgment, also a masculine-feminine pair.

We can now say that the role of the priesthood, represented by Aaron, is to function as does a woman in her household. In the Tabernacle (and later in the Holy Temple), Aaron and his sons were responsible for lighting the candles, baking the bread, setting the table; roles, that relative to the role given to Moshe Rabbeinu—hearing the Divine speech from between the two cherubs—are feminine in nature. Thus, to a certain extent the blossoming of a staff indicates the ability of the male to not only conquer the physical realm but to be sensitive to its needs and nurture its development and growth.4 God’s choice of Aaron for the role of the High Priest was based on his being a patriarchal leader who could connect with his feminine side and express the feminine yearning for serving God.
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We know David holds the masculine office of King from hosea 3:5 and can't be high priest in a levitic kingdom...also the priesthood isn't the masculine it is the feminine...therefore Joshua in zechariah is one witness and zerrubabel the civil leader is the man child of Rev 12

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How the separation of the two kingdoms remained and will remain until Judah wakes up.

1kings 12:16
King James Bible
So when all Israel saw that the king hearkened not unto them, the people answered the king, saying, What portion have we in David? neither have we inheritance in the son of Jesse: to your tents, O Israel: now see to thine own house, David. So Israel departed unto their tents.

Who is this Isreal? It is the northern kingdom the feminine Israel ...they don’t have inheritance in the masculine southern Sceptre kingdom. They are the northern priestly feminine kingdom. The southern kingdom royal and the northern kingdom priestly. When the two become unified they become a royal priesthood kingdom.....this unification and result of the unification of two kingdoms is simple to see if you don’t see one kingdom the owner of all blessings. If you can’t see the division of what each kingdom has it will be hard to see what the unification does. Jesus the sacrifice to make unification of the 1st born and 2nd born possible but firstborns can’t see that. Through the volume of the book they have to be mad at the 2nd born because 1st borns plan of receiving all the blessings and not giving the 2nd born any substantial blessings is better than Gods plan and the sacrifice of Jesus to save the 2nd born and bless them also in the firstborns eyes is unfair...they only see firstborn privileges....that is how you will know who is who in a northern and southern divided kingdom... back to your tents if you are northern kingdom Israel because the fullness of the gentiles is about to happen and southern kingdom is about to wake up

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If animal sacrifice is done away with, why does Ezekiel say it will be reinstated?

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The final prophet:



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The physical traits and the education of the Final Prophet are described in the Dead Sea Scrolls and are discussed earlier in this book, in the chapter on Isaiah, near Isaiah 42. One of the major roles of the Dead Sea Scrolls is to convey this hidden information about the Final Prophet over thousands of years of time, until today when the day of its usefulness and relevance comes due. I would now like to offer my own composite sketch of God’s servant, the Final Prophet that is based on a complete analysis of the information contained in the Biblical Psalms, the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Prophets. Information from the Thanksgiving Psalms is not included here because it has been covered above and because it is not clear to me whether the Teacher of Righteousness intended his Thanksgiving Hymns as a prophesy of the final prophet to come or was speaking about himself, or both. Separating out this information we have:

God’s Servant, Final Prophet

Names

. Elijah to come (Malachi 3:23)
. another and Greater John the Baptist (UB)
. interpreter of the Law (DSC)
. the Priest (DSC)
. interpreter of Knowledge (DSC)
. God’s servant (Isaiah)
. dabela (mountain goat, large horn) 1Enoch

Characteristics, physical

. lentil shaped marks on body (DSC 4Q534 & Merkabah)
. marred appearance (possibly due to the lentil shaped marks above) (Isaiah 52)
. thick thighs (3Enoch, Merkabah texts)
. tiny marks on thighs, different from one another (DSC 4Q534)
. Red hair (DSC 4Q534)

Education

. the 3 books, before which he knows nothing (DSC 4Q534)
. God makes known all the mysteries and revelations of His servants the prophets to him (DSC 4Q171)
. foretells, through the interpretations of the Prophets, all that will happen to His people and His land.(DSC)
. God teaches him knowledge and to understand His message (Isaiah 28:9) . Spirit of God
alights upon him bringing wisdom, insight, valor, devotion, reverence.
. knows the secrets of men (understands their inner workings) (DSC 4Q534)
. knows the secrets of living things (Biologist?, Health Science?) (DSC 4Q534)
. reveals secrets like Most High (DSC 4Q536)
. senses truth by reverence for the Lord (Isaiah 11)
. God’s servant blind, deaf, gives no heed (Isaiah 42)
. taught from his youth by God (Psalm 71)
. mouth like a sharpened blade (Isaiah 49).
. Lord gives a skilled tongue (Isaiah 50:4)
. God rouses His servant’s ear morning by morning (Isaiah 50:4)
. zeal for his tasks) (Psalms 69)
. jeered at, humiliated (Psalms 71)
. at times acts foolishly and blunders (Psalms 69)
. loved ones, friends, stand afar off, aloof (can not understand him) (Psalms 38)
. challenges authority – ‘who dare contend with or be my opponent’ (Isaiah 52)
. Kings (rulers) silenced because of him (reveals to them their negative standing and destiny according to prophecy) (Isaiah 52)
. grows (spiritually) like a tree-crown by God’s favor. (Isaiah 53)
. speaks to God’s people about deep things and future events (DSC 4Q268 fg. l)
. God will hold accountable all those who will not hear his words DSC 4lQ175)
. ? goes to prison (Psalms 142)
. is a speedy scribe (writes quickly ?), who must read and interpret prophecy while ‘on the run’ (Habakkuk)


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Het waterman.. a thought.. being you call yourself waterman.. Jesus seemed to give a clue as he carried his cross .. He told the women not to weep for him.. and said "If they do this when the tree is green.. what will they do when the tree is dry" What does that mean? Could this be a secret message to the 2 witnesses? Being it is clear they will die (When the tree is dry) because of the 3.5 year drought they will cause?.. When Jesus said "When they do this" What is (this)?? None of his disciples were arrested and executed with him nor anyone else.. Could this be a secret message to you? because your name is waterman.. and when you die (like Jesus) as the 2 witnesses the (Tree will be dry?).. get back.. let us know.. we will be watching and praying for you and giving support..
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Het waterman.. a thought.. being you call yourself waterman.. Jesus seemed to give a clue as he carried his cross .. He told the women not to weep for him.. and said "If they do this when the tree is green.. what will they do when the tree is dry" What does that mean? Could this be a secret message to the 2 witnesses? Being it is clear they will die (When the tree is dry) because of the 3.5 year drought they will cause?.. When Jesus said "When they do this" What is (this)?? None of his disciples were arrested and executed with him nor anyone else.. Could this be a secret message to you? because your name is waterman.. and when you die (like Jesus) as the 2 witnesses the (Tree will be dry?).. get back.. let us know.. we will be watching and praying for you and giving support..
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Guess not.. Waterman will not answer.. or maybe he is fulfilling the part where (He is dumb before his shearers and speaks not) or- he is re considering that if he is one of the 2 witnesses it includes that he must die at the hands of the beast in a painful death?.. It is not like waterman to not respond.. We will wait.. maybe he just now figured out that the 2 witnesses will die from a terrible death and he does not want anything to do with this anymore.. maybe go into seclusion and never post again.. Maybe Swordlike is the (one) to come as the prophet.. Who knows.. We must weed them out
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Thank-you for this wonderful resource for investigation OP. I have enjoyed also the discussion of alternative views, et cetera - so thank-you to those other contributors who have posted too.

I hope to gleam some insight from all of this work.

God bless.





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