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Tawandaaaa
User ID: 23829712 United States 04/28/2013 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I tend to agree that some parts of it are a little bit too descriptive for kids to be reading, especially boys. But, porn? Please. I actually read it this past summer for the first time and was shocked that they consider it a read for middle school. 11th or 12th grade would be fine, but not the 5th or 6th grade that it is usually required in. Not sure how I missed having to read it as a kid - probably because I changed schools around the time it would have been read. There is a second, watered-down version out that is ok for younger kids, but the actual diary is pretty descriptive about certain things. |
smilesun
(OP) User ID: 39014532 Italy 04/28/2013 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The sex ed programs of most schools are far more inappropriate for kids. Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny Today say that the diary of Anne Frank is porn, tomorrow will tell on the Bible VIRTUALBLOGNEWS [link to virtualblognews.altervista.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38888590 United States 04/28/2013 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This, and so many other reasons, is why America is one of the dumbest countries in the world. Tell this woman to crawl back into the stupid hole she came out of. I pity her children who are being taught ignorance. No doubt, this woman thinks reality tv is okay, ha ha...that's the real porn, the porn of stupidity and violence. They allow their children to watch CNN, the porn of fake reporting, but not read Anne Frank. PATHETIC! |
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smilesun
(OP) User ID: 39014532 Italy 04/28/2013 12:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I tend to agree that some parts of it are a little bit too descriptive for kids to be reading, especially boys. But, porn? Please. I actually read it this past summer for the first time and was shocked that they consider it a read for middle school. 11th or 12th grade would be fine, but not the 5th or 6th grade that it is usually required in. Not sure how I missed having to read it as a kid - probably because I changed schools around the time it would have been read. There is a second, watered-down version out that is ok for younger kids, but the actual diary is pretty descriptive about certain things. Quoting: Tawandaaaa Oh, yes. But for younger children 5th or 6th grade the diary of Anne Frank is not detailed VIRTUALBLOGNEWS [link to virtualblognews.altervista.org] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 39013272 United States 04/28/2013 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why does everything in school have to be so morbid. Do they ever read about the female resistance fighters who struck back against the Nazis, or just this poor sad tormented neurotic girl? Between Ann Frank and Sylvia Plath its enough to make all young women just curl up and die. What is wrong with positive example, like [link to www.nytimes.com] Ms. Aubrac several times rescued her husband, Raymond, a leader of what was called the Secret Army, from prison. Once, she confronted Klaus Barbie, the Gestapo officer known as the Butcher of Lyon. She presented herself to Mr. Barbie as a pregnant, unmarried aristocrat whose fiancé had been arrested and imprisoned by mistake. There are so many stories of Women who did something in the War, why are we reading about the one who got stuck in a closet? A story of courage from a woman who came to feed the starving in the Bataan death march. [link to www.philstar.com] Into the yard, full of bewildered prisoners, strode a small sophisticated Filipina, leading a number of school girls laden with baskets of prepared morsels. When she directed her charges to disperse and distribute their wares, she was seized by two guards and half dragged to the raging officer. Screaming epithets and incriminations, Hirohito's messenger began slapping the woman's face. When he relented for a moment, she turned to her helpers and directed them to pass out the food. Furious, the red-faced captain again assaulted her and threw a staggering blow to her midriff. This sent her sprawling onto the wooden floor, retching from the blow. At this point the officer kicked the courageous woman and ordered her to her feet. She arose, summoned superhuman poise and stared defiantly at her tormentor. Through bleeding lips, eyes ablaze, she again beckoned to distribute the goods. Once more she was pummeled to the ground. Again this angel of mercy regained a standing position and summoned to the basket bearers. At last the Captain shook his head in despair and allowed the food to be distributed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38863004 Germany 04/28/2013 12:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does it help young girls to read the thoughts of a young woman who is being driven slowly mad in confinement, and who later passes away in the camps? Quoting: zenobiaphobia Why does everything in school have to be so morbid. Do they ever read about the female resistance fighters who struck back against the Nazis, or just this sad neurotic girl? Between Ann Frank and Sylvia Plath its enough to make all young women just curl up and die. It's brainwashing. Why don't they read the diaries of Women in communist russian death camps? You know those camps where not the father survived to publish a fake diary afterwards? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39014824 United Kingdom 04/28/2013 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Personally I don't think Anne Franks diary is suitable to any age that doesn't understand the wider context in which it was written and I certainly don't feel a classroom of 9 or 10 year olds (in a normal government run school setting) would have a grasp on the context in which those words where written. In government run school settings I don't even think the older ones are really given the time and materials to fully develop a context in which to place these materials. I took my 18 year old to task over VJ day ceremonies as he was taught to disregard it as it was an American only theatre.. so I give him a kick and suggested he researched the epitaph "When You Go Home, Tell Them Of Us And Say, For Their Tomorrow, We Gave Our Today" But I do put that lacking down to the way government run schools work, so honestly, I would be more interested in the entire context of what is being taught than the specific material involved. |
Superduper
User ID: 15016867 United States 04/28/2013 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Anne Frank Diary is 'pornographic' according to one mother who has lodged a formal complaint over the book being used in school to educate her own child. Quoting: smilesun Mom, Gail Horalek, has filed a formal complaint against her daughter's school district over its use of the Anne Frank Diary, saying that many of the passages contained in the book are way to graphic for seventh graders like her daughter. The mother highlights one part of the book in which Frank discusses discovering her genitalia, and Horalek has said it is akin to pornography, and is completely inappropriate for her child and her schoolmates. Read more at [link to www.christianpost.com] Oh for the love of Pete - that is absurd. Greater is He who is in me than he who is in the world. Whatever feels good to your soul, do that. |
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Oubliette
User ID: 32552748 United States 04/28/2013 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I tend to agree that some parts of it are a little bit too descriptive for kids to be reading, especially boys. But, porn? Please. I actually read it this past summer for the first time and was shocked that they consider it a read for middle school. 11th or 12th grade would be fine, but not the 5th or 6th grade that it is usually required in. Not sure how I missed having to read it as a kid - probably because I changed schools around the time it would have been read. There is a second, watered-down version out that is ok for younger kids, but the actual diary is pretty descriptive about certain things. Quoting: Tawandaaaa I must have only read excerpts of it, or the watered down version in school. I don't remember anyrhing titillating about that book. This is an oubliette. The labyrinth is full of 'em. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38800546 Colombia 04/28/2013 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does it help young girls to read the thoughts of a young woman who is being driven slowly mad in confinement, and who later passes away in the camps? Quoting: zenobiaphobia Why does everything in school have to be so morbid. Do they ever read about the female resistance fighters who struck back against the Nazis, or just this sad neurotic girl? Between Ann Frank and Sylvia Plath its enough to make all young women just curl up and die. It's brainwashing. Why don't they read the diaries of Women in communist russian death camps? You know those camps where not the father survived to publish a fake diary afterwards? Well said. Someone on this thread gets it! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 38863004 Germany 04/28/2013 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because your mind is so clean? LOL. Your mind is a swill of hate that looks like the bottom of a septic tank. Is that hate, Jew? "Why are Gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat. That is why Gentiles were created." "Gentiles were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel." [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30742855 United States 04/28/2013 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Anne Frank Diary is 'pornographic' according to one mother who has lodged a formal complaint over the book being used in school to educate her own child. Quoting: smilesun Mom, Gail Horalek, has filed a formal complaint against her daughter's school district over its use of the Anne Frank Diary, saying that many of the passages contained in the book are way to graphic for seventh graders like her daughter. The mother highlights one part of the book in which Frank discusses discovering her genitalia, and Horalek has said it is akin to pornography, and is completely inappropriate for her child and her schoolmates. Read more at [link to www.christianpost.com] Reminds me I don't have a copy of it, thanks op My younger daughter, I know, would enjoy reading her diary after a couple more years of comprehension as she's only in 2nd grade. She started showing an interest in war pictorials (of the mundane, only very slightly graphic) from very early on - around 5 years old I think. I don't censor what goes into my children's minds, I teach them how to use what's inside; I can't understand why any loving parent Would do anything besides. I think I first read it in 5th grade, and Les Miserables in 7th grade. Dear Lord, what would this woman think of her child reading that graphic akin to pornographic atrocity? o.0 /sarcasm ofc about Les Mis - it's beautiful and everyone ought to read it IMO. This mother is absolutely crazy IMO. How dare children be taught to discover themselves instead of letting the schools and governments do it for them? Is what she sounds like in my head... 'tis a shame... |
Phennommennonn
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Pyractomena borealis
User ID: 20793638 United States 04/28/2013 12:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Does it help young girls to read the thoughts of a young woman who is being driven slowly mad in confinement, and who later passes away in the camps? Quoting: zenobiaphobia Why does everything in school have to be so morbid. Do they ever read about the female resistance fighters who struck back against the Nazis, or just this sad neurotic girl? Between Ann Frank and Sylvia Plath its enough to make all young women just curl up and die. It's brainwashing. Why don't they read the diaries of Women in communist russian death camps? You know those camps where not the father survived to publish a fake diary afterwards? Here is such a book written by a Polish woman. OOP of course, but well worth the $17.50. Only one left, but they turn up now and again as used library copies. Not for the faint of heart. [link to www.amazon.com] more info as there are no reviews on Amazon. [link to www.warbirdforum.com] Last Edited by Pyractomena borealis on 04/28/2013 12:47 PM There is nothing so powerful as truth, and often nothing so strange ~ Daniel Webster Omnia Vincit Amor ~ Virgil The more you learn, the less you know ~ Socrates That writer does the most, who gives his reader the most knowledge, and takes from him the least time. ~ Charles Caleb Colton |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32069520 United States 04/28/2013 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I tend to agree that some parts of it are a little bit too descriptive for kids to be reading, especially boys. But, porn? Please. I actually read it this past summer for the first time and was shocked that they consider it a read for middle school. 11th or 12th grade would be fine, but not the 5th or 6th grade that it is usually required in. Not sure how I missed having to read it as a kid - probably because I changed schools around the time it would have been read. There is a second, watered-down version out that is ok for younger kids, but the actual diary is pretty descriptive about certain things. Quoting: Tawandaaaa I must have only read excerpts of it, or the watered down version in school. I don't remember anyrhing titillating about that book. Me neither... |
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Earth Daughter
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Tawandaaaa
User ID: 23829712 United States 04/28/2013 12:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I tend to agree that some parts of it are a little bit too descriptive for kids to be reading, especially boys. But, porn? Please. I actually read it this past summer for the first time and was shocked that they consider it a read for middle school. 11th or 12th grade would be fine, but not the 5th or 6th grade that it is usually required in. Not sure how I missed having to read it as a kid - probably because I changed schools around the time it would have been read. There is a second, watered-down version out that is ok for younger kids, but the actual diary is pretty descriptive about certain things. Quoting: Tawandaaaa I must have only read excerpts of it, or the watered down version in school. I don't remember anyrhing titillating about that book. Me neither... If you read the small paperback, that was the watered down version. Get the larger hardback that includes all of the photos, with the actual copy of the diary and line by line translation. I don't imagine this is what the kids are being assigned, but if the mom has read that version and that version only, I can see where she is upset. |
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Shurrie
User ID: 21186904 United States 04/28/2013 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wonder if she let her daughter read Twilight Series or Harry Potter??? Cursing and sex and all!!! hmmm I was reading college level books by 4th grade--and Harlequins were always on my Grammys nightstand-- and does she let her daughter watch cartoons---HOLY SHITSNEAZLES there is some borderline porn!!! I saw a post that said "lets start teaching our KIDS HOW to THINK instead of WHAT TO THINK"!! and whom ever posted earlier about the 'sex ed' classes being worse then Anne Frank is totally dead on! Spinning on the Pause...Rewind |
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