Cathecism of The Catholic Church

What don't you understand? The Catechism is words - and each and every word of it is supported by citations to scripture and the writings of the early church fathers. Do you want me to cut and paste the whole thing? So, open it up, find the passage you disagree with, and then read the scriptural passage it cites.

If you don't believe in the Church, then you don't believe and whatever I say is not going to change your mind, and vice versa. Scripture battles are generally pointless - that's the problem with sola scriptura - you can read something one way, I can read it the other. That's why we have the Magisterium.

Your approach to the word of God - sola scriptura or whatever you believe - almost took my life away from me. I could not find a consistent voice on certain issues and I started to believe that, perhaps, Jesus was not really the Son of God - because what I was reading in the bible didn't comport exactly with what churches I knew were teaching, and if the Word didn't contain the Truth, then maybe there was no truth. I fell so far away from him. But then I found him again, and the Holy Spirit led me to the Catholic Church that held the Truth I was looking for, as well as the tools Christ left us to be close to him.

Therefore, I will defend my Lord and his Church until the day I die, and I hope you find the peace you are looking for.

Show me one piece of evidence that Catholics make graven images and engage in idol worship.

I'm sure glad you have enough time for these pointless circular arguments, but I don't.

ven·er·ate
transitive verb \ˈve-nə-ˌrāt\
ven·er·at·edven·er·at·ing
Definition of VENERATE
1: to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
2: to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion
— ven·er·a·tor noun
Examples of VENERATE

a writer venerated by generations of admirers
She is venerated as a saint.

Origin of VENERATE
Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari, from vener-, venus love, charm — more at win
First Known Use: circa 1623
Related to VENERATE

Synonyms
adore, deify, glorify, revere, reverence, worship

It is still idolatry any way you define it. We are to cleanse ourselves and strip away the world when we go before His throne. I tend to forget the vast majority of believers know nothing of throne-room worship...

They will refuse to see what venerate means. However, since the church created this idea they will continue to follow it. The church could never be wrong. Their church is always right. They alone hold the keys and entrance to Heaven.

They took away the right of the people to go to God alone and Protestantism is simply Romanism-lite. Did you know in the early days, after the Apostles passed, there were many denominations of Christianity with their own books? The Books of Enoch, Jasher, and Jubilees were popular back then and Jesus quoted from two of them.

It's idolatry the church doesn't make the laws, they were given to prophets and passed down to people. Your church happened to remove the commandment from the bible.

Read revelations 21 and see what John has to say about anyone changing one word. The very church you worship.

No, the commandment is still there, the meaning is still there, it is a law to guard against pagan practices, not
to stop people using visual aids to prayer.

ven·er·ate
transitive verb \ˈve-nə-ˌrāt\
ven·er·at·edven·er·at·ing
Definition of VENERATE
1: to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference
2: to honor (as an icon or a relic) with a ritual act of devotion
— ven·er·a·tor noun
Examples of VENERATE

a writer venerated by generations of admirers
She is venerated as a saint.

Origin of VENERATE
Latin veneratus, past participle of venerari, from vener-, venus love, charm — more at win
First Known Use: circa 1623
Related to VENERATE

Synonyms
adore, deify, glorify, revere, reverence, worship

Obviously you have no idea what venerate is. God gives his glory to no one. You're a pagan the wage of the sin upon death is hell. Explain your
visual aid dilemma to God. What a ridiculous excuse you pagan. You sound like my six year old son when I catch him in a lie. Remember what the real bible says guilty of one sin guilty of all.

Here is the Catechism, and to me it is brilliant and beautiful.


[link to www.vatican.va]

So true.

The only meaning that matters is between me and God, your definitions for words do not.

We are all sinners, you included, and you have no power to judge me, may the real God save your soul.


Tell me, are you a freemason by any chance?

Free mason you ask? Hell no! There is no way I would walk in to that house of Satan. Thank you for asking though.

This is a good explanation of why the charge that the Catholic Church is pagan just doesn't stick -

[link to www.catholic.com]

Do you want me to tell you the origins of the Monstrance? Do you want me to tell you the origins of the staff the Pope carries? You probably don't care about origins, I know this already, because instead of using scriptures you fall comfortably back on the words of the whore. Always hiding behind the veil of your church.

How many reasons do you need? Your church is the whore, and that is the truth. Bring scriptures to the table, but you can't and you won't because you don't know the meaning of scriptures.

Once again and Jesus will say, "I don't even know you."

Once again, you have no power to judge me.

I don't think you even read the linked explanation, you haven't had time to, which shows you are parroting refutable, fallacious beliefs.

Give me your 'evidence' about the Monstrance, or the staff,
but keep in mind

"Whenever one encounters a proposed example of pagan influence, one should demand that its existence be properly documented, not just asserted. The danger of accepting an inaccurate claim is too great. The amount of misinformation in this area is great enough that it is advisable never to accept a reported parallel as true unless it can be demonstrated from primary source documents or through reliable, scholarly secondary sources."

[link to www.catholic.com]

I just had a look at your other anti-Catholic thread, and it appears your evidence amounts to internet searches, lol.



"1. Is there a parallel? Frequently, there is not. The claim of a parallel may be erroneous, especially when the documentation provided is based on an old or undisclosed source.

For example: "The Egyptians had a trinity. They worshiped Osiris, Isis, and Horus, thousands of years before the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost were known" (Robert Ingersoll, Why I Am an Agnostic). This is not true. The Egyptians had an Ennead—a pantheon of nine major gods and goddesses. Osiris, Isis, and Horus were simply three divinities in the pantheon who were closely related by marriage and blood (not surprising, since the Ennead itself was an extended family) and who figured in the same myth cycle. They did not represent the three persons of a single divine being (the Christian understanding of the Trinity). The claim of an Egyptian trinity is simply wrong. There is no parallel."

[link to www.catholic.com]

Once again go back to scriptures, and compare the words of God to your beliefs. Very simple.

To start off a fine example of how the 'Holy" Church determines who has the ability to read and intrepret the Bible.

I do not think you disagree with the Catholic Church..I think you HATE the Catholic Church with a zeal that wont let go

and there is no God in hate op

No matter how well you recite those scriptures

God is LOVE

Rev 19:10
...the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Matthew 23:8
But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.

Since when is a rabbi allowed to be touched by a woman? and not only touched but His feet washed in Her tears and dried with Her hair?