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The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?

 
Roguemom
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The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
A sincere question.

So much disinformation/psyops being shoved in our faces, I don't have the time or energy to decifer anymore.

Someone educate me on the truth.
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
same bullshit


no matter if they have internal factions that struggle for more power
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
Judge them all by their works. If they are fighting for the same goal then they are the same thing even if they call themselves enemies. The name they call themselves is irrelevant.
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
What about the laminate?
Roguemom  (OP)

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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
Some of us are both

muaha
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Interesting.
I read what claims to be the manifesto and prime directives of the Illuminate.
I will admit, not exactly what I expected.
But then again I'm not sure if I was reading disinformation or not.
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
op, could you refer us to the read?
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
Some of us are both

muaha
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


Interesting.
I read what claims to be the manifesto and prime directives of the Illuminate.
I will admit, not exactly what I expected.
But then again I'm not sure if I was reading disinformation or not.
 Quoting: Roguemom


What do you think a Group of Enlightened Men would want for humanity?
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


Although I'm not an "Enlightened Man". If what I read is true, apparently exactly what I want.
I'm still on the fence on 1 issue.
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op, could you refer us to the read?
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP


Sure, I think so. Let me dig through my bookmarks.
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Interesting.
I read what claims to be the manifesto and prime directives of the Illuminate.
I will admit, not exactly what I expected.
But then again I'm not sure if I was reading disinformation or not.
 Quoting: Roguemom


What do you think a Group of Enlightened Men would want for humanity?
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


Although I'm not an "Enlightened Man". If what I read is true, apparently exactly what I want.
I'm still on the fence on 1 issue.
 Quoting: Roguemom


We want to lead men and women to discover enlightenment in their own terms and in their own meaningful way
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


:)
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
Yep no certainties here, I mean billionaires are surely part of an elite, that doesn't mean they are all enlightened. And people with very deep and wide knowledge spectrums are not necessarily good people.
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alex, will you make the land and water free for all as it should be? and not privatley owned via corporations and governments? even if its a one world government?
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Bullshit!

They persecute people!

When they don't "just" kill them.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


You my friend have a warped view of society.

PS - I know someone hurt you as a child and for that you have my condolences. Do me a favor and please refrain from taking it out on others. Thanks
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


Who?
 Quoting: TruthMinion


You know who

And you need to take the time to forgive them so you can move on

And leave the pain behind you
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


I sent you a PM. I would appreciate your opinion before I post a link that may or may not be valid.
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
The elites are fascists, while the illuminati are communists.

Both of them share the philosophy of collectivism.
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
elites

banksters
politicians
wealthy foes
powerful men
lawmakers


Illuminati

Is a bloodline of super human type people with an enlightened ability of God .
Gods
Angels
alien types
Roguemom  (OP)

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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
What say ye GLP?

[link to www.benpadiah.com]

This is 148 pages long.

The first 78 pages are this mans manifesto. He is athiest.

If you will scroll to page 78 you will find the Declaration of individual Rights followed by the Prime Directives.
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
The elites are fascists, while the illuminati are communists.

Both of them share the philosophy of collectivism.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15740069


According to the link i provided below, that's not exactly true.

To quote:

The Illuminati hold Laissez-faire capitalism as the only social system proper for mankind, because it is an objective system, which honors and respects the rights of each individual.

The vision of the Illuminati is not to conquer the world but to free it from those who enslave it.

The Illuminati hold true that tyranny and tyrants are those political systems and people who do not respect the individual rights and property rights. To destroy such systems and people is a measure of self-defense and it is morally justified. A perfect example of such is the socialists, fascists, communists and those who preach “democracy” without defining what they mean by “democracy”. Democracy comes in many forms and it does not represent “freedom” nor “justice”, it represents whatever those altruists preaching it have in mind; whatever the whim of the times are. The ONLY form of government, which represents freedom and justice, is an absolute-democracy where the system of government has an absolute standard known as a constitution. Such a democracy is a “republic” because it has a constitution as the supreme law of the land and an absolute moral standard included within its body.

You must always be able to defend yourself and your property. Any person who advocates disarmament of the people is a tyrant or a fool who is either a communist or an irresponsible and incompetent fool. To kill a trespasser or any government official who enters your property for any reason without the consent of the property owner is morally justified. The rights to private property are absolute and the owner has absolute authority over her/his property.
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
No secret society is more controversial than the Illuminati, yet almost nothing of the truth of this mysterious ancient Order is available in the public record. Propaganda, misinformation, disinformation, paranoia and downright fantasy are rife. Some have even described the Illuminati as pan-dimensional, shape-shifting Reptilians from another world!

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So much for the penny-dreadful nonsense churned out by the simple minded pied pipers of Conspiracy World.

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Now you can discover for yourself the extraordinary nature of this secret society, its esoteric Gnostic and Hermetic religion known as Illumination, and how it represents the greatest hope for humanity in overthrowing the Devil-worshiping Abrahamic religions and the Old World Order of elite, dynastic families of privilege that run the planet, such as the Bush family, the Rothschilds and the British Royal Family.

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[link to www.smashwords.com]
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The Illuminati is an ancient secret society that seeks
to bring about a New World Order based on the principle that everyone has it within them to literally become God. This book will present the Illuminati's radical vision for a new humanity and provides a full account of the inner divinity of the human race.

The ten most influential Grand Masters of the Illuminati are: King Solomon the Apostate, Pythagoras, Heraclitus, Empedocles, Simon Magus, Hypatia, Leibniz, Weishaupt, Goethe and Hegel. If these figures are not of interest to you then it would be pointless for you to venture any further into this topic.

This is not a book for the faint-hearted.
It contains an enormous amount of philosophical, psychological, political, historical, scientific and religious content.
If you are interested in embarking on the spiritual journey of your life then you have opened the door to a mansion of wonders. If, however, you have come in search of aliens, pan-dimensional lizards and evil Illuminists relentlessly plotting against the ordinary people of the world then you have arrived at the wrong destination!
Makow, Icke, Jones and their ilk will be more to your taste.

The aim, as it has always been, is to overthrow the network of elite, dynastic families of wealth and privilege that we refer to as the "Old World Order" who have run this world since the dawn of civilization, to their maximum advantage and to the extreme detriment of the people.

The Illuminati is a radical and indeed revolutionary organization that seeks nothing less than to assist the ordinary men and women of the human race to ascend to the next stage of humanity's divine evolution. We, The Illuminati describes this higher level as the "Community of Gods" or the "Society of the Divine."

It's time to end the reign of the false prophets, the fake gods and the tawdry idols that we call "celebrities". We're sick of the bankers and traders, the lawyers and accountants, the politicians and their "special advisers" the lobbyists and spin doctors, the agents and gatekeepers, the CEOs and chairmen, the advertisers and marketing men. We're sick of all the same faces of the "top" people and their relentless tricks and tactics to keep enriching themselves at the people's expense. We're sick of the government's "Freedumb and Dumbocracy" that cons people into voting for the rich and the apologists for the rich, and we're sick of the Abrahamic religions that keep billions of people on their knees as slaves to a tyrant masquerading as God.

You know that humanity is capable of so much more. Isn't it time to bring about real change? Isn't it time to seize your divine inheritance?

We are The Illuminati.
The messengers of the True God.
Our sacred mission is to bring humanity into full union with the True God so that there is no longer any distinction between the human race and the divine essence.
The Order is able to show how this can be achieved using Einstein's theories of special and general relativity, and quantum mechanics. It's time for humanity to open its eyes and see the divine light for the first time.
Our religion is called Illumination.
We have emerged from the shadows to cast the light of Abraxas, the True God, on this benighted world; to bring Illumination - enlightenment - to everyone.

[link to www.smashwords.com]
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The Hyperreality books are interesting. The illuminati are not trans dimensional serpent bankers from a reality a frequency just higher than ours, as some claim.
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Although I'm not an "Enlightened Man". If what I read is true, apparently exactly what I want.
I'm still on the fence on 1 issue.
 Quoting: Roguemom


We want to lead men and women to discover enlightenment in their own terms and in their own meaningful way
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


Bullshit!

They persecute people!

When they don't "just" kill them.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


You my friend have a warped view of society.

PS - I know someone hurt you as a child and for that you have my condolences. Do me a favor and please refrain from taking it out on others. Thanks
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes




lol

not nearly as badly as somebody is going to put the hurt on you in future...

for the record

hehehe
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The Hyperreality books are interesting. The illuminati are not trans dimensional serpent bankers from a reality a frequency just higher than ours, as some claim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28446972


When I first started my search for truth, I got duped by the lizard thing! (Well, an embryo goes through a lizard type stage in the womb... has gills, OH STOP LAUGHING AT ME!!!)

I seriously cringe when I think about the times I tried to warn people about the lizards running the planet!
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alex, will you make the land and water free for all as it should be? and not privatley owned via corporations and governments? even if its a one world government?
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP





lol

what land...?

what water...?

you are dreaming pal

snap out of it

this party's all but over in that regard

gravy train ends here

one way or another, in this case both

making it one clean ass sweep for the road

; )

enjoy!
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Bullshit!

They persecute people!

When they don't "just" kill them.
 Quoting: TruthMinion


You my friend have a warped view of society.

PS - I know someone hurt you as a child and for that you have my condolences. Do me a favor and please refrain from taking it out on others. Thanks
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


lol

not nearly as badly as somebody is going to put the hurt on you in future...

for the record

hehehe
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16421607


You can plot all you want

However...

1. You don't control time

2. You don't control this reality

3. You have just enough power to think you have power over things you cannot control

4. You are walking right in the bear trap
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes



The truth is that humanity has been under control by the SAME group of families almost since, you might say, the dawn of consciousness.

In Roman times, it was divided into the Patrician class & the Plebeian class of peoples, with control being very overt (obvious, in your face)

an interesting side note is that Adam Weishaupt's name in the Illuminati was 'Brother Spartacus,' the slave who raised the other slaves into revolt of their captors.

The elite had learned from these times, & corrected their M.O. They know now an 'invisible' covert captivity is the better way (like in George Orwell's novel Nineteen Eighty-four).

As for what enlightened ones would want for humanity? They work for a type of civilization that the hippies thought was soon coming, a type of 'Age of Aquarius.'
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This is absolutely correct.

Mankind has been given an incorrect model of the better way to live, & that is to hold the family unit as the sacrosanct model. This is the core reason for mankind's 'dog eat dog' mentality.

They advocate a community oriented model, with the most meritocratic individuals performing the tasks best suited to their skills (as in, what you know, not who you know. Like in Star Trek!)

There is an old African saying: "It takes a whole village to raise a child," & this is their mindset on how the children of the future can be better served, not with unmarried mothers working 14 hour shifts in a sweatshop, having no time or energy left to nurture & cultivate her kid(s).

They advocate EVERYBODY finding out what drives & interests them, the allocation of 10,000 hours to cultivate those skills, & then everybody being self employed in that area, with menial, repetitive work being automated, thus destroying the toxic master/slave scenario of capitalistic bosses & drone workers.

Sound good?
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
A sincere question.

So much disinformation/psyops being shoved in our faces, I don't have the time or energy to decifer anymore.

Someone educate me on the truth.
 Quoting: Roguemom


[link to www.samliquidation.com]
[link to www.samliquidation.com]
[link to www.samliquidation.com]
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Re: The Elite & Illuminate. Not the same?
They ARE coming, the Illuminate I mean!





GLP