Why do you still eat meat?

There are many voices posing as god throughout the bible, it is up to mankind to discern which are the true voices of god and which are of the qliphoth....

WHAT ABOUT FISH?

Fish will not damage your spiritual antannnae in my experience.

I've tried to tell my cats that it's better to avoid meat and eat plants.... now they're dead.

Exactly, life feeds off life it's an intrinsic part of nature. Human's aren't top of the food chain either.

It was his heart condition(attitude) that was rejected. Not what he offered.

just be careful about the mercury content. eat small fishes and stay away from the large ones like tuna.

i don't :)
gave it up permanently on august 5th 1992
but,
when i was 5 i made the connection between the veins in a chicken drumstick and those on my wrist, asking my parents, "is this the same as that?" and when i was told yes, i did not want to eat anymore and cried and carried on, but my parents thought they were doing the right thing by making me eat flesh, but i ate as little as possible for a long time until i was indoctrinated into eating it, but became veg later.

pagan catholic propaganda.... GOD said we can eat meat in the scriptures.

You are creating your own self styled beliefs not taught anywhere in the bible

You have just taken that out of context since they were still offering sacrifices and commanded to offer them when that was written. Herp.

in the OT, vegetarianism is the ideal...so in judaism it is considered the ideal, too.

God says somewhere in the book of Samuel that he cares not for the burnt offerings of animal sacrifices.

animal sacrifice was a way of moving pagans from human and child sacrifice. God was working with heathens and had to have them take bany steps in humane progress.

An Irish savage such as yourself would never understand or be willing to sacrifice his pork, meat and beer for the glory of creation, I'm not surprised quite frankly. Pagans.

yes we "can," but He prefers us not to do so, but he gave a list of okay animals to eat to the hebrews. the ideal for God is to not eat / kill for animal flesh.

yes! it is up to us to create heaven or hell on this earth. if no humans killed animals God would be most pleased and that would go a long way toward creating heaven on earth. this has been one of my thoughts for awhile.

Wow! It's a good thing you popped in just after the OP logged out to take up the thread where she left off. Really convenient.

Not much of incisors now is there ?


Stomach Acidity

CARNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HERBIVORE: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach
OMNIVORE: Less than or equal to pH 1 with food in stomach
HUMAN: pH 4 to 5 with food in stomach

Colon

CARNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HERBIVORE: Long, complex; may be sacculated
OMNIVORE: Simple, short and smooth
HUMAN: Long, sacculated

Liver

CARNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HERBIVORE: Cannot detoxify vitamin A
OMNIVORE: Can detoxify vitamin A
HUMAN: Cannot detoxify vitamin A

Kidney

CARNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HERBIVORE: Moderately concentrated urine
OMNIVORE: Extremely concentrated urine
HUMAN: Moderately concentrated urine


Teeth: Incisors

CARNIVORE: Short and pointed
HERBIVORE: Broad, flattened and spade shaped
OMNIVORE: Short and pointed
HUMAN: Broad, flattened and spade shaped

Teeth: Canines

CARNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HERBIVORE: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none
OMNIVORE: Long, sharp and curved
HUMAN: Short and blunted

Teeth: Molars

CARNIVORE: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped
HERBIVORE: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface
OMNIVORE: Sharp blades and/or flattened
HUMAN: Flattened with nodular cusps

Chewing

CARNIVORE: None; swallows food whole
HERBIVORE: Extensive chewing necessary
OMNIVORE: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing
HUMAN: Extensive chewing necessary

Saliva

CARNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HERBIVORE: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes
OMNIVORE: No digestive enzymes
HUMAN: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes

The PTB figured out long ago that it was very difficult if not impossible to live healthy without SOME meat in your diet; it does not have to be much perhaps 5% or so.

Naturally following their long range plan to sicken and weaken us they started to push a VEGAN diet.

Our food supply has been so sabotaged over the last few decades that IMO our life expectancy has started to drop like a rock. Since DHS controls our health statistics we may never know this. I do know this, most of our children getting sugar diabetes at age 10 will be dead statistically before 40.

a person of the jain religion doesn't consume a whole plant. just parts at a time so they don't kill it. just sayin.

lol how funny since I am Torah-observant you simple worm and I don't drink either. I bet you are a lawless apostate goat. Hypocrite. You are the pagan.

This is what your kind will hear,



Matthew 7:21-23



21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Enjoy the lake maggot. lol

i love verbally raping low iq vegetarians

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I hesitated to even write this post. I do not want to capitalize on the death of a visionary man like Steve Jobs, but I do want to let it help as many people as it can. Last week in New York, I met with an old friend and entrepreneur who just signed his company’s first billion-dollar deal. He explained why Steve Job’s death hit seems personal to so many of us.

He explained, “Steve Jobs was only 56. As a tech ‘superhero’ with all the money in the world, he couldn’t beat the cancer. It makes me feel more mortal. How much more time do I have? I need to do more to make a difference.” But is it really true that Steve “couldn’t” beat the cancer? Or did Steve make some well-intentioned lifestyle choices that made it really hard to cure his cancer?

Most media reports state that Jobs used a “special diet” for almost a year before going for Western medicine approaches, but it’s almost impossible to figure out what that diet was. After a couple hours of research, it appears that Steve Jobs was using the Dr. Dean Ornish Cancer Diet, which is almost a mirror image of the Bulletproof Diet. In case you haven’t heard of him, Dean Ornish, MD, author of “Eat More, Weigh Less,” is one of the leaders of a small group of radical physicians who tout incredibly low fat diets with strict avoidance of (healthy) saturated fats as the path to health, despite years of research showing how misguided that is. (See Gary Taubes epic work “Good Calories Bad Calories” or any competent body building coach for more info…)

As a biohacker and tech entrepreneur who studies techniques for manifesting creativity and performance, I took note of Jobs’ early trips to an ashram in India. He came back a Buddhist with his head shaved and he experimented with psychedelics , calling his LSD experiences “one of the two or three most important things [he had] done in [his] life.” I’m not kidding – that’s from Wikipedia. He also became a vegetarian from those experiences.

I did something similar, spending 3 months in Nepal and Tibet, complete with 10 days at Kopan Buddhist monastery in Nepal, a vegetarian diet, and a shaved head.

But I ditched the vegetarian diet. First of all, it’s hard to sit still to meditate when you keep having to tilt sideways because beans give you endless gas, not to mention that a 70% carb, low fat diet like Ornish’s makes your mind less focused.

But the main reason I eat meat, aside from doing it for health reasons, comes from a Tibetan monk at a monastery in Tibet. I saw a yak skin hanging from a prayer pole and asked the local Lama how that was in line with Buddhist principles of no killing. He smiled at me and said very simply, “One death feeds many. It is very high altitude here. We need to eat meat and fat to survive.” That monastery was at about 14,000 feet altitude. That monk’s simple wisdom may very well have saved me from sabotaging my health with more vegetarian diet experiments. I still don’t eat chicken, in part because the fat in it is not good quality, but more because one chicken death only feeds one person, or two anemic ones.

But back to the Ornish diet that Steve Jobs almost certainly pursued when he found he had cancer. Let’s look at this radical and dangerous diet and get a feel for what can do to you, and why. Livestrong.org has an overview of the Ornish diet.
The Ornish Diet Starves You of Vital Fat Based Nutrients

On a low fat diet, your body is tricked into believing you are experiencing a famine, even if you use bizarre tricks (like eating sawdust or other fiber supplements) to make your stomach feel full. Your stress hormones will rise in response and even your genes will respond. For short periods of time, this can even be healthy, but after longer periods, your hormones will run out of raw materials (saturated fat and cholesterol) to function optimally, and your nerve shealth (70% fat) and brain will suffer. Basic nutritional research and examination of native diets shows that the human body performs best on quite a lot of fat, and even high-carb diets work better with significant saturated fat. (see the Kitavans who eat 70% carbs but mostly saturated fat, smoke like chimneys, don’t exercise, and look like body builders.) On a low fat Ornish Diet you may not receive the nutrition you need. There is good research that eating fat with your vegetables lets you absorb the nutrients in them better.

My own experience on a low fat, low calorie diet was disastrous – it helped me reach 300 lbs. I can’t imagine what a powerful man like Steve Jobs would have accomplished if he’d given his brain and hormones what they need to function optimally. If he’d received better nutritional guidance in India, perhaps we’d be on the iPhone 12 by now.
The Ornish Diet Relies on Vegetarian Dogma

The Ornish diet basically encourages you to avoid even lean meat because there might be some (healthy) saturated fat in it, creating a recommendation for low-fat vegetarianism. Sadly, vegetarians have a higher mortality rate than people who eat only grass-fed (mycotoxin free) meat. No amount of statistical wiggling is going to disprove this basic fact of human existence. I don’t like it – I’d prefer to thrive on sunshine and smiles to be honest – but careful experiments and the preponderance of data says we do better on lower carb, higher saturated fat diets devoid of fat-soluble endocrine disrupting toxins. Vegetables taste good, but they are not proper food by themselves, even soaked in grass fed butter.

It is true that a vegetarian diet lower in toxins will cause less cancer than a processed food diet containing low quality meat. However, a meat-based diet with high quality meat and fat will outperform a vegetarian diet every time. And entrepreneurs who include grass-fed meat in their diets will find they have more energy and even more passion for what they do.
The Ornish Diet is Anti-Fish

A commenter named Musesum just let provided a link showing that the Ornish diet is not anti-fish. Most web sites and reviews claim he is, but on page 42 of his book, Dr. Ornish recommends fish for some omega 3 oils. I stand corrected. (next 2 paragraphs are unedited from original)

Fish are pretty darn good for you and research into native peoples’ diets shows how important they are for trace nutrients and omega 3 fatty acids. While many have excess mercury, consuming low mercury fish (or krill oil) will go a long way towards improving your health and mental performance. Dr. Ornish’s fat phobia does not justify avoidance of fish. If mercury concerns you, see the articles on the site about how to bind it as you eat fish.

We do know that Steve Jobs ate fish – he was a pescatarian until his cancer – but cutting his only source of healthy protein right as he got cancer must have been a disastrous decision. Those missing calories would have been replaced with starch on an Ornish diet. Cancer cells have 28 times more insulin receptors than normal cells, which is why starch and sugar make cancer explode. Cancer patients have no business being on a high carb diet. Recommending one is dangerous and irresponsible.
The Ornish Diet Recomends Endocrine-Disruptive, Thyroid-killing Soy

The Ornish Diet recommends frankenfoods like tofurkey and frozen processed meals, which are full of Roundup-soaked, genetically modified soybeans and partially hydrogenated oils. Even Fox News knows the health risks of soy and partially hydrogenated oils, yet somehow they are allowed on the Ornish Diet. First off, that’s gross, especially compared to bacon. Secondly, I find it really hard to believe that a modern physician who reads any studies can in good conscience recommend a soy-based diet to anyone, especially a cancer patient. Soy is inflammatory and endocrine disrupting and inhibits your ability to absorb minerals. It is fertility destroying.
If Steve Jobs was able to perform at his level on a terribly unhealthy diet laced with estrogen (soy), I can’t imagine what he’d have done on a clean diet. I am in awe of what he was able to accomplish while sporting the nutritional equivalent of a ball and chain. It make me sad that he did that to himself because he was misinformed about basic nutritional science.
Dr. Ornish Believes That Grains Are Food for Healthy Humans
Simply put, we have genetic evidence that 70% of people are intolerant to gluten. Eating “whole grains” is simply not a way to pursue health no matter how many times we repeat the mantra, “whole grains are healthy.” They’re not. They’re cheap and easy to store, but they are responsible for a whole host of chronic diseases. Historical records show that when societies of hunter gatherers settle down and start to grow grain, their skeletons become deformed over multiple generations. I write about this extensively in my upcoming book on pregnancy health.
There is simply no good reason for a pregnant woman – or a man with cancer – to eat grains, whole or not. Throw them out and watch your waist shrink.
Ornish Dieters Eat Sick Amounts of Carbohydrates

The Ornish Diet recommends that about 70 percent of calories should come from carbohydrates. The body is capable of converting carbs into protein and only 1 type of fat (fully saturated palmitic acid) but the metabolic cost of doing so is extreme. High carb diets lower immune function. They lead to yeast overgrowth and they feed cancer cells by providing excess insulin. They also lead to mood swings and hormonal disorders, especially very bad PMS. Even worse, high carbs put stress on the pancreas, which cranks out all the insulin you need to absorb those carbs. Steve Jobs had pancreatic cancer.
The bottom line
We’ve lost a luminary before his time.
It is simply unacceptable that unfathomably poor nutritional advice concocted in the 1970′s contributed not only to Steve Jobs’ early demise, but to the fattening of an entire generation.
Dr. Ornish, it’s time for you to recant your extremist low-fat views. They’re killing people every day.

something called human nature maybe? humans are meant to eat meat, eating only fruits and vegetables is not healthy

Nah.

I don't have any interest in becoming a vegetarian. Why do I still eat meat? Because I don't think there's anything in avoiding it that makes someone 'more spiritual' or 'more enlightened' than another person.

Besides, I don't think there's anything morally wrong with eating a steak or hamburger or salmon.

if you research the apple of sodom, this is what the bible writers were talking about.

It is a real plant, that people use to eat because it looks tasty and fruity, but it tastes like ashes.

ashes to ashes, dust to dust, that is what all flesh is, dust.

If God wanted us to be vegetarians, then why did He make animals out of meat?

lol, just kidding. My wife is a vegetarian. Kind of makes me one too. But, I still eat it on occasions.

"mark 4:20; profit"

hemp hooked and flailed
without uprooting
or cutting of stems;
food for enslaved masons

~H

LOL

There are a LOT of problems eating meat in today's toxic pan-political environment. This has NOTHING to do with the meat itself but with those engineering toxic meat into our common marketplaces.

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