Jesus NEVER existed.

Not just christianity, all religion.

For someone who didn't exist, you sure are obsessed with him. Very telling.

yes, I agree with you.

but, this thread is talking about the jesus character.

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when almost 80% of the U.S. believing in a fiction just because it was taught to them without any evidence, that alone is reason to be concerned. Considering that the Dark Ages correlate with the tyrannical rule of the Holy Roman Empire, and how Christianity caused us to go backwards since Ancient Greece, your rebuff is nonsensical.

Christians perpetuate a myth, in the name of truth. You don't have a problem with that?

Maybe you should take a test to see if you have what it takes to become a Christian.

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Your father is the devil OP. JESUS CHRIST is alive, even now and sits at the right hand of the FATHER. Sorry for your soul, you will never meet HIM unless you change your mind.

Jesus had to die so that you might live. He was a lamb, a sacrificial animal.

Do you not eat animals, kill them to consume their flesh? What did they ever do to you, that they deserve to die for you, so that you might live?

If you think it's so wrong, then stop eating animals, you hypocrite.

Either stop eating animals or stfu.

You know the Roman Empire used to slaughter 5000 beautiful tigers, lions, elephants, wolves, deer in their Colliseums, Christ led his earliest believes down into those games to be slaughtered with them, so they would know what it was like to be treated like animals, so that they would have it burned into their consciousness forever and they would always feel brotherhood and love for animals.

Your father is the devil OP. JESUS CHRIST is alive, even now and sits at the right hand of the FATHER. Sorry for your soul, you will never meet HIM unless you change your mind.

Jesus had to die so that you might live. He was a lamb, a sacrificial animal.

Do you not eat animals, kill them to consume their flesh? What did they ever do to you, that they deserve to die for you, so that you might live?

If you think it's so wrong, then stop eating animals, you hypocrite.

Either stop eating animals or stfu.

You know the Roman Empire used to slaughter 5000 beautiful tigers, lions, elephants, wolves, deer in their Colliseums, Christ led his earliest believes down into those games to be slaughtered with them, so they would know what it was like to be treated like animals, so that they would have it burned into their consciousness forever and they would always feel brotherhood and love for animals.

[link to religions.pewforum.org]

when almost 80% of the U.S. believing in a fiction just because it was taught to them without any evidence, that alone is reason to be concerned. Considering that the Dark Ages correlate with the tyrannical rule of the Holy Roman Empire, and how Christianity caused us to go backwards since Ancient Greece, your rebuff is nonsensical.

Christians perpetuate a myth, in the name of truth. You don't have a problem with that?

all you need is a supernatural experience... but I wouldn't wish that on anyone...

total nonsense.

how can you believe this crap ???

only if you are bound by religious dogma, then the experience can be frightening, as the control mechanism on this planet operates in conjunction with the astral.

take away the religious dogma - replace it with confidence and a lack of fear - the experience will be eye opening.

supernatural is who we really are.

Look at the fucking size of the universe. Why should we be special that we get daddy's "only son"?

Case closed. Christians = infantile idiots with a superiority complex.

The Josephus fraud.

The church quotes a (fraudulent) passage from Flavius Josephus (c37-100 AD) a highly respected and much-quoted Romano-Jewish historian. A native of Judea, living in the 1st century AD, Josephus was actually governor of Galilee for a time (prior to the war of 70 AD) – the very province in which Jesus allegedly did his wonders. He was born in 37 AD and so he was not therefore a contemporary witness to Jesus. Josephus's two major tomes are History of The Jewish War and The Antiquities of the Jews. In these complementary works, the former written in the 70s, the latter in the 90s AD, Josephus mentions every noted personage of Palestine and describes every important event which occurred there during the first seventy years of the Christian era but there is only one paragraph (the so-called Testimonium Flavianum) which meantions Jesus.Josephus confirms every salient aspect of the Christ story in one short paragraph.

1) Jesus's existence (2) his 'more than human' status (3) his miracle working 4. his teaching 5. his ministry among the Jews and the Gentiles 6. his Messiahship 7. his condemnation by the Jewish priests 8. his sentence by Pilate 9. his death on the cross 10. the devotion of his followers 11. his resurrection on the 3rd day 12. his post-death appearance 13. his fulfillment of divine prophecy 14. the successful continuance of the Christians.

The purported "evidence" of his existence to be found in the writings of Flavius Josephus, the famed Jewish general and historian who lived from about 37 to 100 CE. In Josephus's Antiquities of the Jews appears the notorious passage regarding Christ called the "Testimonium Flavianum" ("TF"):

"Now, there was about this time, Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works,--a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews, and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ; and when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, for he appeared to them alive again the third day, as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him; and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day." (Whitson, 379)

In just 127 words Josephus confirms everything ... however not a single writer before the 4th century – not Justin, Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Cyprian, Arnobius, etc. – in all their defences against pagan hostility, makes a single reference to Josephus’ wondrous words.

These words are an obvious fraud. There is no way that Josephus, who remained an orthodox Jew all his life and who defended Judaism vociferously against Greek critics, would have thought that the execution of a messianic claimant was "another terrible misfortune" for the Jews. These words were onviously written by a Christian writer, not Josephus.

The third century Church 'Father' Origen, for example, spent half his life and a quarter of a million words contending against the pagan writer Celsus. Origen drew on all sorts of proofs and witnesses to his arguments in his fierce defence of Christianity. He quotes from Josephus extensively. Yet even he makes no reference to this 'golden paragraph' from Josephus, which would have been the ultimate rebuttal. In fact, Origen actually said that Josephus was "not believing in Jesus as the Christ."

Origen did not quote the 'golden paragraph' because this paragraph had not yet been written and is a blant fraud. Christianity did not establish itself until the 2nd century. Outside of this single bogus paragraph, in all the extensive histories of Josephus there is not a single reference to Christianity anywhere.

The golden Josephus paragraph did not appear until the beginning of the fourth century, at the time of Constantine. Bishop Eusebius, that great Church propagandist and self-confessed liar-for-god, was the first person known to have quoted this paragraph of Josephus, about the year 340 AD. Despite the best wishes of sincere believers and the erroneous claims of truculent apologists, the Testimonium Flavianum has been demonstrated continually over the centuries to be a forgery, likely interpolated by Catholic Church historian Eusebius, the very first person to mention it in the fourth century. Dr. Gordon Stein relates "...the vast majority of scholars since the early 1800s have said that this quotation is not by Josephus, but rather is a later Christian insertion in his works. In other words, it is a forgery, rejected by scholars."

Marshall Gauvin remarks: "Everything demonstrates the spurious character of the passage. It is written in the style of Eusebius, and not in the style of Josephus. Josephus was a voluminous writer. He wrote extensively about men of minor importance. The brevity of this reference to Christ is, therefore, a strong argument for its falsity. This passage interrupts the narrative. It has nothing to do with what precedes or what follows it; and its position clearly shows that the text of the historian has been separated by a later hand to give it room."

"The following, from Dr. Farrar's pen, is to be found in the Encyclopedia Britannica: 'That Josephus wrote the whole passage as it now stands no sane critic can believe.'"

Christian scholars such as Theodor Keim, Rev. Dr. Hooykaas and Dr. Alexander Campbell held a similar opinon. By the time of Dr. Chalmers and others, the TF had been so discredited that these authorities understood it as a forgery and did not even consider it for a moment as "evidence" of Jesus's existence and/or divinity. In fact, these subsequent defenders of the faith, knowing the TF to be a forgery, repeatedly commented on how disturbing it was that Josephus did not mention Jesus.

Whole libraries of antiquity were torched by the Christians. Yet unlike the works of his Jewish contemporaries, the histories of Josephus survived. They survived because the Christian censors had a use for them. They planted evidence on Josephus, turning the leading Jewish historian of his day into a witness for Jesus.

Justus of Tiberias

Justus was also an historian, a rival to Josephus, and from the same region. Perhaps his work was not as easily doctored?

" I have read the chronology of Justus of Tiberias ... he makes not one mention of Jesus, of what happened to him, or of the wonderful works that he did."

– Photius, Patriarch of Constantinople, 9th Century


Pliny the Younger (61-115 AD)

Around 112 AD, in correspondence between Emperor Trajan and the provincial governor of Pontus/Bithynia, Pliny the Younger, reference is made to Christians for the first time. Pliny famously reports to his emperor:

"Christians ... asserted, however, that the sum and substance of their fault or error had been that they were accustomed to meet on a fixed day before dawn and sing responsively a hymn to Christ as to a god, and to bind themselves by oath, not to some crime, but not to commit fraud, theft, or adultery, not falsify their trust, nor to refuse to return a trust when called upon to do so." – Pliny to Trajan, Letters 10.96-97.

Note that Pliny is relaying what those arrested said they believed but there is no reference to 'Jesus.' He continues:

"Accordingly, I judged it all the more necessary to find out what the truth was by torturing two female slaves who were called deaconesses. But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition."

Belief in a celestial Christ does not equate to belief in a flesh-and-blood 'Jesus of Nazareth' – and when the 'heretical' and 'gnostic' views of early Christians are examined 'Jesus of Nazareth' is noticeably absent. In fact Nazareth never existed in the 1st century AD. No ancient historian or geographer mentions Nazareth. It is first noted at the beginning of the 4th century.

There are a few other later later dubious accounts but none of them speak of a Jesus who was nailed to a Cross. This is odd considered this man was meant to be of such great fame wondering around preforming miracles and when you consider there is a mountian of evidence for the real Julius Caesar who lived before Jesus, odd indeed.


The Gospels

All four canonical gospels were originally written in Greek, the lingua franca (bridge language) of the Roman Orient where-as Jesus and his disciples primarily spoke Aramaic, the common language of Palestine in the first century AD, Many of the places spoken of in the gospels are incorrect and the gospels are written in third person making it obvious that theys were written by authors further afeild. Furthermore the gospels make statements such as "In the days of John the Baptist," which indicates that the writer was looking way back in time. In another example regarding Jesus's body being stolen, Matthew's gospel claims that "this story has been spread among the Jews to this day." The phrase "to this day" indicates that the writer is talking about a significant length of time ago.

The four canonical gospels were not mentioned or named as such by anyone until the time of Church father Irenaeus, Bishop of Lyons (c. 120/140-c. 200/203 ad/ce). In Against All Heresies (III, 11.8), written around 180 ad/ce, Irenaeus is the first to name the canonical gospels and give reasons for their inclusion and number in the New Testament… The remarks by Irenaeus represent the first mention of all four canonical gospels together. In fact, prior to the end of the second century, there is no evidence of the existence of the canonical gospels as we have them.

Much of the information in the gospels is not plasible.

There are two differ accounts of the birth of Jesus. The canonical gospels of Luke and Matthew describe Jesus being born in Bethlehem, in Judea, to a virgin mother.

Luke features the Christmas story, in which Joseph and Mary, as part of a census, travel to Bethlehem, where Jesus is born and laid in a manger. Angels proclaim him a savior for all people, and shepherds come to adore him. However, in Matthew, wise men follow a star to Bethlehem to bring gifts to Jesus, born the King of the Jews and the family flees to Egypt because King Herod seeks to kill Jesus and massacres all toddler boys in Bethlehem in the hope of killing Jesus. However this happens when King Herold was already dead and had been for three years. (73/74 BCE – 4 BCE) and obviously scholars can find no historical evidence for the "Slaughter of the Innocents" by King Herod, even though any such action would surely have been recorded by his many enemies among the Jews. Some scholars see parallels between the infancy account in Matthew's Gospel and the Old Testament, with Joseph going to Egypt, just as Joseph had before him, and Herod killing the infant boys, just as the pharaoh had before him. They say that the author was inspired by the Old Testament story of Moses.

Matthew, Mark and Luke all speak of King Herod. There is no way three deciples who lived in the time of Jesus would make such a mistake as to speak of a King as alive when he had been dead since before the birth of Jesus. This implies the writers did not know Jesus and they did not live in the time period covered by the live of Jesus but rather wrote their gospels much later from a distance.

The Jewish historian Josephus recorded that in the year 6–7, after the exile of Herod Archelaus (one of the sons and successors of Herod the Great), Quirinius (in Greek, Κυρήνιος, sometimes transliterated Cyrenius), a Roman senator, became governor (Legatus) of Syria, while an equestrian assistant named Coponius was assigned as the first governor (Prefect) of the newly-created Iudaea Province. These governors were assigned to conduct a tax census for the Emperor in Syria and Iudaea.

Matthew 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, [2] Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him. [3] When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him. [4] And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he demanded of them where Christ should be born. [5] And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet, [6] And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Juda, art not the least among the princes of Juda: for out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel. [7] Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time the star appeared. [8] And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also. [9] When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was. [10] When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy. [11] And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh. [12] And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way. [13] And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. [14] When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: [15] And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. [16] Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. [17] Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, [18] In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not. [19] But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, [20] Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.

Then we get a completely different version of the story with no slaying of the innocents in Luke. LIES MUCH

Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed. [2] (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) [3] And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. [4] And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) [5] To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. [6] And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. [7] And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. [8] And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. [9] And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. [10] And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. [11] For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. [12] And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. [13] And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, [14] Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. [15] And it came to pass, as the angels were gone away from them into heaven, the shepherds said one to another, Let us now go even unto Bethlehem, and see this thing which is come to pass, which the Lord hath made known unto us. [16] And they came with haste, and found Mary, and Joseph, and the babe lying in a manger. [17] And when they had seen it, they made known abroad the saying which was told them concerning this child. [18] And all they that heard it wondered at those things which were told them by the shepherds. [19] But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart. [20] And the shepherds returned, glorifying and praising God for all the things that they had heard and seen, as it was told unto them. [21] And when eight days were accomplished for the circumcising of the child, his name was called JESUS, which was so named of the angel before he was conceived in the womb. [22] And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;

In Matthew Jesus is born of the Holy Ghost but in Luke the Holy Ghost decsends on him when he's baptised.

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Luke 3:22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.doubted

Matthew 28:16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. [17] And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some. [18] And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [19] Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Barabbas a rebel was freed by Pontius Pilate at the Passover feast in Jerusalem in exchange for Jesus. However, no custom of releasing prisoners in Jerusalem is recorded in any historical document other than the gospels. Not to meantion the whole notion of the people welcoming Jesus with huge cheers of Jerusalem only five days prior to them yelling for him to be cruified, it defies all logic. Similarly a God who decides to bless humans with heaven for killing his one and only son makes no sense what-so-ever..

Constantine called the Council of Nicea — the first general council of the Christian church, 325 A.D.—primarily because he feared that disputes within the church would cause disorder within the empire. The dispute in mind was Arianism, which was the belief that Jesus was a created being. The famous phrase they were disputing was, "There was when, He was not." [link to www.gotquestions.org]

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Here is how ridiculous the religious story is ...

The real King Herod was dead and his son's reign over before Jesus was born but look what his supposed disciples wrote!...


In Matthew king Herod dies when Jesus is only two and yet is alive later in the chapter to behead John the baptist.


Matthew 2:13 And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him. [14] When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt: [15] And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. [16] Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had diligently inquired of the wise men. [17] Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, [18] In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not. [19] But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, [20] Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.

Matthew 14:6 But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod. [7] Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask. [8] And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger. [9] And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her. [10] And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison.

Mark 6:14 And king Herod heard of him; (for his name was spread abroad:) and he said, That John the Baptist was risen from the dead, and therefore mighty works do shew forth themselves in him.

Mark 6:24 And she went forth, and said unto her mother, What shall I ask? And she said, The head of John the Baptist. [25] And she came in straightway with haste unto the king, and asked, saying, I will that thou give me by and by in a charger the head of John the Baptist. [26] And the king was exceeding sorry; yet for his oath's sake, and for their sakes which sat with him, he would not reject her. [27] And immediately the king sent an executioner, and commanded his head to be brought: and he went and beheaded him in the prison,

The Jewish historian Josephus recorded that in the year 6–7, after the exile of Herod Archelaus (one of the sons and successors of Herod the Great), Quirinius (in Greek, sometimes transliterated Cyrenius), a Roman senator, became governor (Legatus) of Syria, while an equestrian assistant named Coponius was assigned as the first governor (Prefect) of the newly-created Iudaea Province. These governors were assigned to conduct a tax census for the Emperor in Syria and Iudaea. So Luke starts his testimony by letting us know King Herod is dead but latter in the chapter he is alive!

Luke 2:1 And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus, that all the world should be taxed. [2] (And this taxing was first made when Cyrenius was governor of Syria.) [3] And all went to be taxed, every one into his own city. [4] And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called Bethlehem; (because he was of the house and lineage of David:) [5] To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. [6] And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered.

Luke 9:7 Now Herod the tetrarch heard of all that was done by him: and he was perplexed, because that it was said of some, that John was risen from the dead; [8] And of some, that Elias had appeared; and of others, that one of the old prophets was risen again. [9] And Herod said, John have I beheaded: but who is this, of whom I hear such things? And he desired to see him.

Luke.23:7 And as soon as he knew that he belonged unto Herod's jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod, who himself also was at Jerusalem at that time. [8] And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him. [11] And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate. [12] And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves. [15] No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.
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blah blah but you do accept a blood sacrifice that is what Christianity is all about.

and ... Jesus was not God's only Son, rather his SERVANT.

Isaiah 52:13 Behold, my servant (Jesus) shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high. (14) As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men: (15) So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider. Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? (2) For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: (root of Jesse) he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him. (3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. (4) Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. (5) But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. (6) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. (7) He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth. (8) He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken. (9) And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. (10) Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. (11) He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. (12) Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. Isaiah 54:1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD. (2) Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes; (3) For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
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Lamb = Jesus = ritual sacrifice ...

Hebrew 10:3-13 it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. That is why, when he came into the world, he said to God, sacrifice and offering you did not desire, but you have given me a body to offer. You were not pleased with burnt offerings as a sacrifice for sin. Then I said, ‘Look, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll book. So first, he said to God, "You did not want animal sacrifices or sin offerings or burnt offerings or other offerings for sin which were required by law, as they did not please you. Then he said, Look, I have come to do your will. He cancelled the first covenant in order to bring the second covenant into effect. We have been set apart as holy through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Under the old covenant, every priest stands and ministers before the altar day after day, offering the same sacrifices again and again which can never take away sins; But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God; There he waits until his enemies are humbled and made a footstool under his feet.

1 John 4:10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood.

Hebrews 9:22 Under the law almost everything is cleansed with blood, and without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.

Revelation 12:11 They overcame him (the great dragon who was cast out of heaven to earth) by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives to the death.

Ezekiel 20:40 For on my holy mountain, on the mountain height of Israel, says the Lord GOD, there shall all the house of Israel, all of them in the land, serve me: there will I accept them, and there will I require your offerings, and the first-fruits of your offerings, with all your holy things.

1 Peter 5:2 Be shepherds of God's flock that is among you, watch over it, not because you must but because you want to, and not greedily but eagerly, as God desires.

Isaiah 53:7 He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, he did not open his mouth.

Isaiah 53:10-11 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; putting him to grief; If he would render himself as a guilt offering, He will see his offspring, He will prolong his days, And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in his hand. When he sees all that is accomplished by his anguish, he will be satisfied, because the experience of my righteous servant will make it possible for many to be counted righteous, for he will bear all their sins.

Exodus 22:29 You are not to hold back the fullness of your harvest and the outflow of your wine presses. You are to give to me the firstborn of your sons.

Numbers 3:12 And I, behold, I have taken the Levites from among the children of Israel instead of all the firstborn that opens the matrix among the children of Israel: therefore the Levites shall be mine;

God's Sons PLURAL

Luke 3:38 (line of descent for Jesus) Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, You are gods?

Psalms 82:6 I have said, You are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Acts 17:28 For in him (God) we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, for we are also his offspring. (29) Therefore then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Deity is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, This says the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD has said to me, Thou (David) art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. --- This is conformed to be about David in Acts 4:24-26 in the New Testament which clearly attributes it to David. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Acts 4:24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. “Sovereign Lord,” they said, “you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them. (25) You spoke by the Holy Spirit through the mouth of your servant, our father David: Why do the nations rage and the peoples plot in vain? (26) The kings of the earth take their stand and the rulers gather together against the Lord and against his Anointed One.

1 Chronicles, 28:6 He said to me, (David) `It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my Son, and I will be his Father.

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Exodus 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, This says the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn.

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD has said to me, Thou (David) art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

1 Chronicles, 28:6 He said to me, (David) `It is Solomon your son who shall build my house and my courts, for I have chosen him to be my Son, and I will be his Father.

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Romans 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Son of God The word "Son" doesn't mean actual biological "Son" at all. It just means that Jesus is a "Son" of God in a way that God loved him so much that he chose him to be his messenger to the people of Israel.
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You're right, let's put our faith in science even if it makes us weeds to the Divine... as opposed to the Wheat He is looking for...

the very profundity you are talking about is reason for God... the intelligence and elegance... research DNA complexity a little and see that statistically, there must be a God... many scientists believe in God, because of the very thing you are talking about....

he has a point about the need for blood sacrifice... when God threw Adam and Eve out of the garden he clothed them in animal pelts... already blood was being spilled and the Fall was set in motion...

there is a reason blood sacrifices are used by occult throughout the year, depending on the stars...

and why Christ had to come here and go through what he did...

there are documents, particularly in India, that write about him... it's not just in the Bible...

Other peoples beliefs are none of your business.

I don't care about your "God", even if he existed. The universe is a hostile place, and I can't think of any reason why I should be thankful to the sadistic inventor of this place.