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Anonymous Coward User ID: 638139 United States 07/11/2013 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe he set out to kill or even to harm Trayvon but because of his reckless actions this was the outcome. Quoting: Iconoclastics He is certainly not a cold-blooded murderer but he needs to be held accountable for his actions. As far as we know no crime was being committed yet Zimmerman confronted Trayvon anyway, even when told not to by the dispatcher. If you or I would have been confronted by a stranger at night for no apparent reason we would probably react the same way Martin did. We'd defend ourselves. It is tragic what happened and I feel sorry for Zimmerman (and even more sorry for Trayvon) but he must be held responsible for his actions and his sentence should also serve as an example to the rest of us about what can happen when we ignore the conventions of law and order. he should be charged with NOTHING.....!!!!!! THUGS all of them---- shame on those who even arested him. Let the morons riot-- thats all they know |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 43138237 United States 07/11/2013 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe he set out to kill or even to harm Trayvon but because of his reckless actions this was the outcome. Quoting: Iconoclastics He is certainly not a cold-blooded murderer but he needs to be held accountable for his actions. As far as we know no crime was being committed yet Zimmerman confronted Trayvon anyway, even when told not to by the dispatcher. If you or I would have been confronted by a stranger at night for no apparent reason we would probably react the same way Martin did. We'd defend ourselves. It is tragic what happened and I feel sorry for Zimmerman (and even more sorry for Trayvon) but he must be held responsible for his actions and his sentence should also serve as an example to the rest of us about what can happen when we ignore the conventions of law and order. he confronted him? what did zimmerman say when he confronted him? since you know alot... very clear the trey boy liked to fight with text that didnt get into the court. i think zimmerman only watched his neighborhood and trey seen him and started whipping his a$$ and got shot.. thats it.. |
Iconoclastics
(OP) User ID: 43188256 United States 07/11/2013 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe he set out to kill or even to harm Trayvon but because of his reckless actions this was the outcome. Quoting: Iconoclastics He is certainly not a cold-blooded murderer but he needs to be held accountable for his actions. As far as we know no crime was being committed yet Zimmerman confronted Trayvon anyway, even when told not to by the dispatcher. If you or I would have been confronted by a stranger at night for no apparent reason we would probably react the same way Martin did. We'd defend ourselves. It is tragic what happened and I feel sorry for Zimmerman (and even more sorry for Trayvon) but he must be held responsible for his actions and his sentence should also serve as an example to the rest of us about what can happen when we ignore the conventions of law and order. he should be charged with NOTHING.....!!!!!! THUGS all of them---- shame on those who even arested him. Let the morons riot-- thats all they know There are plenty of white thugs and creeps. Should blacks start confronting and shooting them over suspicion alone? "The person who is in love with their vision of community will destroy community. But the person who loves the people around them will create community everywhere they go." ~ Dietrich Bonhoeffer "Doubt is not a pleasant condition but certainty is absurd" ~ Voltaire "The World is my country, all mankind are my brethren, and to do good is my religion." ~ Thomas Paine On Twitter @Iconoclastics |
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ozymandias
User ID: 43084476 United States 07/11/2013 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what I don't understand is , why he couldnt hold him at gun point till the cops arrived , I mean how hard could that be , unless treyvon wasn't listening to reason and just kept coming at him , even still you just walk away while keeping your gun trained on him and tell him don't try anything or I will shoot. but I find it hard to believe he was forced to shoot him in the chest. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43053454 United States 07/11/2013 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | what I don't understand is , why he couldnt hold him at gun point till the cops arrived , I mean how hard could that be , unless treyvon wasn't listening to reason and just kept coming at him , even still you just walk away while keeping your gun trained on him and tell him don't try anything or I will shoot. but I find it hard to believe he was forced to shoot him in the chest. Quoting: ozymandias They said they have scientific proof the gunshot to martin and the "spread" on his shirt, that the gun was approximately 4-5 inches from chest. Cooperates with the idea that martin had him pretty well pinned down. |
FatalW1shes
User ID: 14748979 United States 07/11/2013 01:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He shouldn't be charged with shit. It took them 46 fucking days to arrest him only because the media and obama turned it into a race thing. He didn't break any laws. Had he broken a law he would have been arrested much sooner. This is for the media circus and Obama's "son" It's bullshit. They are fucking up a man's life for politics. It's disgusting. |
ozymandias
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 43205304 United States 07/11/2013 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He shouldn't be charged with shit. Quoting: FatalW1shes It took them 46 fucking days to arrest him only because the media and obama turned it into a race thing. He didn't break any laws. Had he broken a law he would have been arrested much sooner. This is for the media circus and Obama's "son" It's bullshit. They are fucking up a man's life for politics. It's disgusting. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43053454 United States 07/11/2013 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok a/c 454 that's news to me, so he was left with no option, but to shoot him or be beatin to death , case closed self defence. Quoting: ozymandias Here's just the first google link I came up with. [link to kdvr.com] I'm sure if you search you'll find more. But yea, this is going to be my catalyst to start fcken some shit up. :) |
ozymandias
User ID: 43084476 United States 07/11/2013 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zimmerman is a piece of shit in my book , the guy looks slow witted and even slower on his feet, why the stupid bastard couldn't pull his gun before getting tackled down is beyond me , he should have never been allowed to be a watchman for the complex. he,s is just one of those slow motion dudes . the kind that take 20 mins to make a sandwich |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 43053454 United States 07/11/2013 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok a/c 454 that's news to me, so he was left with no option, but to shoot him or be beatin to death , case closed self defence. Quoting: ozymandias Here's just the first google link I came up with. [link to kdvr.com] I'm sure if you search you'll find more. But yea, this is going to be my catalyst to start fcken some shit up. :) Always waiting on someone else to do something though. First hit/first shot and all that stupid jazz. |
ozymandias
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 19804788 United States 07/11/2013 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Zimmerman is a piece of shit in my book , the guy looks slow witted and even slower on his feet, why the stupid bastard couldn't pull his gun before getting tackled down is beyond me , he should have never been allowed to be a watchman for the complex. he,s is just one of those slow motion dudes . the kind that take 20 mins to make a sandwich Quoting: ozymandias so slow he put TM 6 feet under |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 42021534 United States 07/11/2013 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe he set out to kill or even to harm Trayvon but because of his reckless actions this was the outcome. Quoting: Iconoclastics He is certainly not a cold-blooded murderer but he needs to be held accountable for his actions. As far as we know no crime was being committed yet Zimmerman confronted Trayvon anyway, even when told not to by the dispatcher. If you or I would have been confronted by a stranger at night for no apparent reason we would probably react the same way Martin did. We'd defend ourselves. It is tragic what happened and I feel sorry for Zimmerman (and even more sorry for Trayvon) but he must be held responsible for his actions and his sentence should also serve as an example to the rest of us about what can happen when we ignore the conventions of law and order. I'm of the opinion that Zimmerman took steps before the incident that he otherwise would NOT have had he not been armed. He probably would NOT have confronted a young black male 4" taller than himself had he not been armed. The fact that he had a firearm gave him courage, courage that most likely led to the altercation that resulted in Martin's death. But it really all comes down to who initiated the first blow. Martin had a right to proceed as he pleased and Zimmerman also had a right to verbally confront Martin. If Zimmerman, as possessor of the firearm was the physical aggressor, he should be guilty of involuntary manslaughter at MINIMUM. If Martin was the physical aggressor, then Zimmerman should be found not guilty of any charge. |
Resister
User ID: 36421936 United States 07/11/2013 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Watching for supicious activity in a high crime area near your own home is not reckless. Calling the police and calmly answering their questions and arranging to meet with them in a few minutes is not reckless. Following someone briefly and then losing track of where they are while you are on the phone with the police is not reckless either. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Chrit
User ID: 27088294 United States 07/11/2013 01:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how it used to be done, you were automatically charged with a crime anytime a shooting happened. example; If a person came through your front door and your children were sleeping up stairs you legally had to run out the back door leave the kids and call the police from a location you retreated to, or if someone rear-ended you and your kids were in the back seat of the car and the person who hit you pulls a knife you legally had to run away from the fight, you had a “duty to retreat”. In Ohio in the early 80’s a man went to jail for life for protecting his children, court said he could have retreated from the fight and the burglar had not threatened his sleeping children in the house only him and because he could have gotten away rather than defend himself he was guilty. That case started a chain reaction that lead to all the laws to be changed to “no duty to retreat” Even more important with this Ohio case, because he was found guilty of a crime the family of the attacker was allowed to come back and file suit in civil court and take everything his family owned. So a guy breaks in your house shoots at you misses you wrestle the gun away and kill him saving your family you go to jail for life and the guys family who broke in gets everything you own. Remember with the trial, Zimmerman does not have to prove he was threatened he only has to prove he “felt” threatened and it becomes justifiable, the reason for this is a guy points his finger at you from his coat pocket like a gun, you think he has a gun and you shoot him, you “believed” your life to be in danger and are not guilty and with the laws the way they are now you cannot be sued in court for civil damages by the attackers family. This is why it is not manslaughter, he “believed” he was in danger, he did not acutely have to be in danger for it to be justifiable. I’ll yell if I remember the exact Ohio case…tip of my tongue, it was a very famous case everyone knew he should not go to jail but letter of the law said he was guilty at the time and this is why they changed the letter of the law. I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
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*HAARP Lady*
User ID: 41238254 United States 07/11/2013 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe he set out to kill or even to harm Trayvon but because of his reckless actions this was the outcome. Quoting: Iconoclastics He is certainly not a cold-blooded murderer but he needs to be held accountable for his actions. As far as we know no crime was being committed yet Zimmerman confronted Trayvon anyway, even when told not to by the dispatcher. If you or I would have been confronted by a stranger at night for no apparent reason we would probably react the same way Martin did. We'd defend ourselves. It is tragic what happened and I feel sorry for Zimmerman (and even more sorry for Trayvon) but he must be held responsible for his actions and his sentence should also serve as an example to the rest of us about what can happen when we ignore the conventions of law and order. I totally "get you" however - Zimmerman went back to his vehicle and Trayvon followed him back and when Zimmerman turned around to Confront Trayvon, TM punched Zimmerman in the nose! He lost his "rights" from that point on! :) Just sayin' ~ Haarpy Don't get mad - Get a Pepsi! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42100721 United States 07/11/2013 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You have to realize this was in a GATED community. These people gate themselves as they fear robbery or personal attacks either due to being old and frail or past history of living in areas where harm occurred. You do NOT stroll about a gated community at night in a hoody or at night PERIOD.You skip going to buy candy not going with a gated member IN A CAR. I lived in a gated community and a school teacher neighbor was hijacked at gunpoint by the blacks up from Katrina in B'hm and wound up in ICU when they threw her out of the car after stabbing her in the chest leaving her for dead. When they came up we started getting robbed as they skipped the gates and came in through the trees and could get away on the interstate closeby that side. We called on anyone not known to us walking about after the nice teacher who was pregnant got carjacked and almost killed. Many went to gated communities with guards and community watch after the Katrina unload occurred. We didn't want to shoot the thugs as we considered we lived intownhouses too close together children might get hit but the police and help was way too slow. It seemed like they had it planned with blacks calling in bogus things downtown when they were going to hit the gated communities the police thought. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 42021534 United States 07/11/2013 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is how it used to be done, you were automatically charged with a crime anytime a shooting happened. Quoting: Chrit example; If a person came through your front door and your children were sleeping up stairs you legally had to run out the back door leave the kids and call the police from a location you retreated to, or if someone rear-ended you and your kids were in the back seat of the car and the person who hit you pulls a knife you legally had to run away from the fight, you had a “duty to retreat”. In Ohio in the early 80’s a man went to jail for life for protecting his children, court said he could have retreated from the fight and the burglar had not threatened his sleeping children in the house only him and because he could have gotten away rather than defend himself he was guilty. That case started a chain reaction that lead to all the laws to be changed to “no duty to retreat” Even more important with this Ohio case, because he was found guilty of a crime the family of the attacker was allowed to come back and file suit in civil court and take everything his family owned. So a guy breaks in your house shoots at you misses you wrestle the gun away and kill him saving your family you go to jail for life and the guys family who broke in gets everything you own. Remember with the trial, Zimmerman does not have to prove he was threatened he only has to prove he “felt” threatened and it becomes justifiable, the reason for this is a guy points his finger at you from his coat pocket like a gun, you think he has a gun and you shoot him, you “believed” your life to be in danger and are not guilty and with the laws the way they are now you cannot be sued in court for civil damages by the attackers family. This is why it is not manslaughter, he “believed” he was in danger, he did not acutely have to be in danger for it to be justifiable. I’ll yell if I remember the exact Ohio case…tip of my tongue, it was a very famous case everyone knew he should not go to jail but letter of the law said he was guilty at the time and this is why they changed the letter of the law. But if Zimmerman started the fight knowing that he had a gun in his pocket in case he was losing the fight, he is possibly guilty of involuntary manslaughter. You cannot start a fight with someone when you have a gun in your pocket and then claim you believed you were in danger if the other guy starts kicking your ass. |
ozymandias
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 43166777 United States 07/11/2013 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't believe he set out to kill or even to harm Trayvon but because of his reckless actions this was the outcome. Quoting: Iconoclastics He is certainly not a cold-blooded murderer but he needs to be held accountable for his actions. As far as we know no crime was being committed yet Zimmerman confronted Trayvon anyway, even when told not to by the dispatcher. If you or I would have been confronted by a stranger at night for no apparent reason we would probably react the same way Martin did. We'd defend ourselves. It is tragic what happened and I feel sorry for Zimmerman (and even more sorry for Trayvon) but he must be held responsible for his actions and his sentence should also serve as an example to the rest of us about what can happen when we ignore the conventions of law and order. This is what I've been trying to say along when it comes to this case but nobody wants to hear the truth... At the end of the day Zimmerman has to take responsibility for his actions...because of his bad judgement and lack of foresight he intentionally provoked a situation were he needed to defend himself and in the long run got an innocent person killed Trayvvon was killed for minding his own business and I don't see how anybody can't see anything wrong with that.. If you don't then that means either your a racist, have no sense of morality whatsoever or just a person who doesn't know what it is to take responsibility for your own actions... If Zimmerman walks away from this its going to start a horrible precedent...It's just going to show people that you can kill anybody over suspicion alone and that shit is straight up crazy ... |
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Sungaze_At_Dawn
User ID: 35202296 Canada 07/11/2013 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yet from everything so far presented, there is no proof of anything other than self defense. How would you like it if the onus on proof was on your side instead and that in most cases, you could not be allowed to defend yourself as you would likely get 15 or more years for Involuntary Manslaughter? Nice world to hand over to your children eh? The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
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