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SPIEGEL Headline Story: America is sick

 
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Comment: America's delusion

A comment by Klaus Brinkbäumer
U.S. President Obama imagines himself above the law

The U.S. is sick. The 11th September 2001, it has wounded and bewildered, that's been obvious for almost twelve years, but how serious is the disease that we understand only now. The NSA affair puts some open, not just the phone calls and the digital lives of many millions of people. The spying on the world shows that the U.S. has become manic, that they act pathologically over grip, what they do, is out of proportion to the danger.

[link to www.spiegel.de]
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Nobody believes in Spiegel and such propaganda papers
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Nobody believes in Spiegel and such propaganda papers
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It's as good as it gets on this planet for an MSM outlet.
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Nobody believes in Spiegel and such propaganda papers
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Oh, i do!

Der Spiegel is one of my favorites for Mainstream News.
El Pais and the Guard-ian too.
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Nicholas Kristof says in the NY Times that more people die in the US from getting hit by TVs falling out of windows than from terrorists attack in the country. But since 2001 the US gave 8 billion dollars to military and homeland security...

And what about the recent preventative measures of experimenting with releasing gas into the NYC subway tunnels to be prepared fro terrorist attacks which cost about 3.2 Mill or something...lol
something doesn't add up.
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Nicholas Kristof says in the NY Times that more people die in the US from getting hit by TVs falling out of windows than from terrorists attack in the country. But since 2001 the US gave 8 billion dollars to military and homeland security...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43532029


America has been fed a "bill of goods", by corrupt and power mad politicians.

THey suckered the Public, and got them to accept Safety over Freedom, and now Americans are realising they are losing both.

They are very angry, and do not know (yet) who to blame
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Derp Spiegel?
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Nobody believes in Spiegel and such propaganda papers
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Oh, i do!

Der Spiegel is one of my favorites for Mainstream News.
El Pais and the Guard-ian too.
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Also try Frankfurter algemeine, lots German papers dare where others dont
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Nobody believes in Spiegel and such propaganda papers
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Oh, i do!

Der Spiegel is one of my favorites for Mainstream News.
El Pais and the Guard-ian too.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43621553


Also try Frankfurter algemeine, lots German papers dare where others dont
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Well you still need to read between the lines there are limitations ofcause
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Here's a Greta comment from the comments section after the article.

"The Roman empire took centuries to develop pathologies and centuries to collapse as a result. In this hyper-accelerated age of information industrialization this trend proceeds in decades, and the vulnerable party is our "big schoolyard bully" empire The United States. There are numerous causators and reasons why the US is very close to an acutely painful and terminal decline and what is happening in the US has absolutely nothing to do with such superficial figleafs such as "terrorism". The US is militarizing for one reason alone, and that is - vastly reduced standard of living. It is a proactive renegotiation of collective national affluence - and the people holding the biggest guns will have the best barter chips. Face it, once this party ends the US will face a process very similar to a revolution, as people have to contend with USSR collapse conditions. It will be a miserable world wide crisis (and we in Europe will suffer immensely) but in the US it will be far far worse - blood will run down the streets. The world's leaders realize this quite well. That Der Spiegel doesn't swallow this bitter medicine and keeps stuck in last milleniums hollywood script paradigm of The Terrorists! is laughable."

Spot on!
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Nobody believes in Spiegel and such propaganda papers
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Millions do! :-)
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Comment: America's delusion

A comment by Klaus Brinkbäumer
U.S. President Obama imagines himself above the law

The U.S. is sick. The 11th September 2001, it has wounded and bewildered, that's been obvious for almost twelve years, but how serious is the disease that we understand only now. The NSA affair puts some open, not just the phone calls and the digital lives of many millions of people. The spying on the world shows that the U.S. has become manic, that they act pathologically over grip, what they do, is out of proportion to the danger.

[link to www.spiegel.de]
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This new article below is also from the Germans.....

July 16, 2013

"The Gestapo and the Stasi taught Germans a hard lesson, writes Constanze Stelzenmüller"


"Germans who were born east of the Berlin Wall were careful to give the organs of the Staatssicherheit a wide berth. But it was only after the fall of the Wall in 1989, when the citizens who had brought down their government stormed the secret police’s headquarters and realised the full horror of the web woven by the Stasi: neighbours spying on neighbours; husbands spying on wives"

[link to www.ft.com]

:ofacism:

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[link to stopwatching.eu (secure)]
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[link to translate.google.com]
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Spot against Prism & Tempora

Pirate Party Germany

With English subtitles

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SPIEGEL is the best MSM of all. ;-)
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petition against Tempora

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in english
[link to stopwatching.de]
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stasi was bad, prism is worse and tempora is worst!
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Nobody believes in Spiegel and such propaganda papers
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Such a statement as yours is in itself clearly anti-propaganda and disinformation.
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SPIEGEL is the best MSM of all. ;-)
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Hmm perhaps youre right tounge
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stasi was bad, prism is worse and tempora is worst!
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That's because Stasi was still on a "human level". Prims and Tempora (which is just the British NSA counterpart and has been running for just 18 months, see [I just see this message from GLP telling me I cannot quote content from The Guardian here ) are of course done by humans too but have at their disposal advanced information technology...
It is only to be expected that these systems will be yet more perfected as time goes by.
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But since 2001 the US gave 8 billion dollars to military and homeland security...
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That's 8 TRILLION. That is several years GPD spent on nothing productive unless you count creating enemies as a plus. We now live under the worst sham government since Mao or Stalin. The US had the high moral ground and we gave it away by invading Iraq in the name of "Spreading Democracy"
America's true masters are the multinational corporations and big banks. They pull the strings and we suffer. One cannot defend freedom by exporting war.
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stasi was bad, prism is worse and tempora is worst!
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That's because Stasi was still on a "human level". Prims and Tempora (which is just the British NSA counterpart and has been running for just 18 months, see [I just see this message from GLP telling me I cannot quote content from The Guardian here )
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43535387

Google for
"gchq
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world
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nsa"
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stasi was bad, prism is worse and tempora is worst!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43617858

That's because Stasi was still on a "human level". Prims and Tempora (which is just the British NSA counterpart and has been running for just 18 months, see [I just see this message from GLP telling me I cannot quote content from The Guardian here ) are of course done by humans too but have at their disposal advanced information technology...
It is only to be expected that these systems will be yet more perfected as time goes by.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43535387


Exactly.
You have a TURNKEY FASCIST GOVERNMENT just waiting for someone to activate it.

...and someone who is trying to do just that.


nopledge
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stasi was bad, prism is worse and tempora is worst!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43617858

That's because Stasi was still on a "human level". Prims and Tempora (which is just the British NSA counterpart and has been running for just 18 months, see [I just see this message from GLP telling me I cannot quote content from The Guardian here ) are of course done by humans too but have at their disposal advanced information technology...
It is only to be expected that these systems will be yet more perfected as time goes by.
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Exactly.
Anglo-american imperialists have to be stopped
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But since 2001 the US gave 8 billion dollars to military and homeland security...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43532029


That's 8 TRILLION. That is several years GPD spent on nothing productive unless you count creating enemies as a plus. We now live under the worst sham government since Mao or Stalin. The US had the high moral ground and we gave it away by invading Iraq in the name of "Spreading Democracy"
America's true masters are the multinational corporations and big banks. They pull the strings and we suffer. One cannot defend freedom by exporting war.
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You're right. America has evolved in a very bad way. The whole world (except maybe UK) now sees the US as the Evil Empire. This is only a pity! Your founding fathers would turn over in their graves!
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Nicholas Kristof says in the NY Times that more people die in the US from getting hit by TVs falling out of windows
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Must be a popular pastime in the US. Maybe because they saw it in movies.
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stasi was bad, prism is worse and tempora is worst!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43617858

That's because Stasi was still on a "human level". Prims and Tempora (which is just the British NSA counterpart and has been running for just 18 months, see [I just see this message from GLP telling me I cannot quote content from The Guardian here ) are of course done by humans too but have at their disposal advanced information technology...
It is only to be expected that these systems will be yet more perfected as time goes by.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43535387


Exactly.
Anglo-american imperialists have to be stopped
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43617858


Well....when the rule of law is ignored....who will do this?
If the USA goes full Fascist....which is where it is headed it will take another country to intervene to save the USA population from the out of control government.





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