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shyrlymyrly

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Bible doesn't teach reincarnation.
In Jewish traditions there is nothing like reincarnation. When Jesus said he is son of God Jews got angry. You know why? Because Jewish tradition teaches that if you say that you are son of your father, you are your father. It means that you have the same spirit as your father. Father becomes his son. So when Jesus said that he is son of God Jews understood it that he is God. It says in the Bible that Jesus existed long before he was born. And he did, cause he is his father, he is God. God is the beginning of all things and he was long before anybody even existed.
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gilgul ha'ne'shamot

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There are many Jewish sources dealing with what is popularly
called "reincarnation." In Hebrew, it is called "gilgul
ha'ne'shamot," literally the recycling or transmigration of
souls.

This concept can be compared to a flame of one candle lighting
another candle. While the essence of the second flame comes from
the first one, the second flame is an independent entity.

Still, the new flame contains imperfections inherited from the
initial flame, and it is these imperfections that are to be
corrected.

Most of the written material is very esoteric, often written in
Aramaic. Some of the prominent works dealing with this subject
are the "Zohar" (1st century) and the Arizal's "Shaar HaGilgulim"
(16th century). In the Bible itself, the idea is intimated in
Deut. 25:5-10, Deut. 33:6 and Isaiah 22:14, 65:6.

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Consequently, many Jews are surprised to learn, or may even wish to deny, that reincarnation - the "revolving" of souls through a succession of lives, or "gilgulim" - is an integral part of Jewish belief. But this teaching has always been around. And it is firmly rooted in source-verses.

Examples abound. Ramban, one of the greatest commentators on the Torah (and on the Talmud), and a seminal figure in Jewish history, hints several times that reincarnation is the key to penetrating the deep mysteries involved in the mitzvah of yibum (the obligation of the brother of a childless, deceased man to marry the widow). In his explanation of Gen 38:8, he insists that Yehudah and his sons were aware of the secret of reincarnation, and that this was a major factor in their respective attitudes towards Tamar.

The Jewish understanding of reincarnation is different from Buddhist doctrines. It in no way leads to fatalism. At every point of moral decision in his life, a Jew has complete free choice.

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There are some mystical schools of thought that believe resurrection is not a one-time event, but is an ongoing process. The souls of the righteous are reborn in to continue the ongoing process of tikkun olam, mending of the world. Some sources indicate that reincarnation is a routine process, while others indicate that it only occurs in unusual circumstances, where the soul left unfinished business behind. Belief in reincarnation is also one way to explain the traditional Jewish belief that every Jewish soul in history was present at Sinai and agreed to the covenant with G-d. (Another explanation: that the soul exists before the body, and these unborn souls were present in some form at Sinai). Belief in reincarnation is commonly held by many Chasidic sects, as well as some other mystically-inclined Jews. See, for example Reincarnation Stories from Chasidic Tradition.


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In the Talmud, "gilgul neshamot" (i.e., reincarnation) is constantly mentioned. The term literally means "the judgment of the revolutions of the souls." Rabbi Manasseh ben Israel (1604-1657), one of the most revered Rabbis in Israel, states in his book entitled Nishmat Hayyim:

"The belief or the doctrine of the transmigration of souls is a firm and infallible dogma accepted by the whole assemblage of our church with one accord, so that there is none to be found who would dare to deny it... Indeed, there is a great number of sages in Israel who hold firm to this doctrine so that they made it a dogma, a fundamental point of our religion. We are therefore in duty bound to obey and to accept this dogma with acclamation... as the truth of it has been incontestably demonstrated by the Zohar, and all books of the Kabalists." (Nishmat Hayyim)

Reincarnation has been a belief for thousands of years for orthodox Jews. The Zohar is a book of great authority among Kabbalistic Jews. It states the following:

"All souls are subject to revolutions.""Men do not know the way they have been judged in all time." (Zohar II, 199b)

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Reincarnation and Judaism: The Journey Of The Soul

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About the Author
:
Rav DovBer Pinson is a world-renowned scholar, author, Kabbalist, and beloved spiritual teacher, a master of the revealed and hidden aspects of Torah.

He is widely recognized as one of the leading authorities on authentic Kabbalah and Jewish spirituality.

Through his books, lectures, and counsel he has touched and inspired the lives of tens of thousands the world over.

Rabbi Pinson is an internationally acclaimed speaker and has lectured in both scholarly and lay settings throughout the globe.

Rav DovBer Pinson is the Rosh Yeshiva of the IYYUN Yeshiva and heads the IYYUN Center in Brownstone Brooklyn

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This is Kabbala, I was referring to Judaism. There are many views on the subject of reincarnation but they are not Orthodox Jewish beliefs and most of the Rabbis will say the same thing I said. Jewish tradition doesn't teach reincarnation in any way. Old Testament doesn't support reincarnation and Hebrews didn't believe in reincarnation. The Bible is the best example for this, cause it was written 2000+ years ago. You can clearly see that Jews got angry with Jesus because he said that he is son of God and then he said he and God are one. Use your logic and don't look at these Zionist maniacs BS.

Reincarnation isn't mentioned explicitly in Torah or Old Testament, on the contrary, it mentions that those who have died never come back to this world.
I'm a bibletard, sorry for the inconvenience.
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Re: Nothing is more important than to thank God
This is Kabbala, I was referring to Judaism. There are many views on the subject of reincarnation but they are not Orthodox Jewish beliefs and most of the Rabbis will say the same thing I said. Jewish tradition doesn't teach reincarnation in any way. Old Testament doesn't support reincarnation and Hebrews didn't believe in reincarnation. The Bible is the best example for this, cause it was written 2000+ years ago. You can clearly see that Jews got angry with Jesus because he said that he is son of God and then he said he and God are one. Use your logic and don't look at these Zionist maniacs BS.

Reincarnation isn't mentioned explicitly in Torah or Old Testament, on the contrary, it mentions that those who have died never come back to this world.
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In your claim that there is nothing about reincarnation in Jewish tradition, you are ignoring/disregarding crucial and significant elements of Jewish history & culture.

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The first-century Jewish historian Flavius Josephus stated that the Pharisees, the Jewish sect that founded rabbinic Judaism to which Paul once belonged, believed in reincarnation. He writes that the Pharisees believed the souls of evil men are punished after death. The souls of good men are "removed into other bodies" and they will "have power to revive and live again."

From time to time in Jewish history, there had been an insistent belief that their prophets were reborn. Reincarnation was part of the Jewish dogmas, being taught under the name of "resurrection". Only the Sadducees, who believed that everything ended with death, did not accept the idea of reincarnation. Jewish ideas included the concept that people could live again without knowing exactly the manners by which this could happen.

Josephus records that the Essenes of the Dead Sea Scrolls lived "the same kind of life" as the followers of Pythagoras, the Greek philosopher who taught reincarnation
. According to Josephus, the Essenes believed that the soul is both immortal and preexistent, necessary for tenets for belief in reincarnation.

The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that the Jewish mystical tradition of divine union went back to the first, perhaps even the third century B.C.E. Jewish mysticism has its origins in Greek mysticism, a system of belief which included reincarnation. Among the Dead Sea Scrolls, some of the hymns found are similar to the Hekhaloth hymns of the Jewish mystics. One text of hymns gives us clear evidence of Jewish mysticism. The text is called "Songs of the Sabbath Sacrifice." Fragments of 1 Enoch, which is considered the oldest text of Jewish mysticism, were also found with the Scrolls. Since evidence shows Jewish mysticism existed in the third century B.C.E., as Enoch indicates, then it would certainly have existed in first-century Israel. 

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The question remains though: Reincarnation is a major theological issue. Why is such a major issue not explicitly discussed in the Written Torah?

Allow me to point out, however, that neither does the Written Torah include any information about what happens to the soul after death, heaven and hell, the nature of the soul--or even much about 'God' for that matter. The Five Books of Moses simply cannot be seen as a theological work. It is principally a practical guide, couched in story form. As for the rest of the Scriptures, even Proverbs and the Book of Job read as commentary on tacitly assumed knowledge.

It is quite apparent from reading these texts that Jewish Theology (which is all that the Kabbalah is), was meant to be transmitted orally, not in writing.

True many of the ancient cultures transmitted their theology and mystical teachings in writing, including the ancient Egyptians and Hindus. But the difference is quite simple: Ancient Egypt, India and the like were illiterate societies, save for a small number of priestly elite. When that elite wished to transmit secrets for the initiated, they committed it to writing--and such forms of writing that could only be deciphered by the initiated.

The Jews, on the other hand were uniquely a literate society. To read Hebrew, you only needed to master 22 letters--as opposed to the hundreds or even thousands of glyphs used in several ancient scripts. The common Jewish child in the ancient world was expected to be literate. Therefore, those matters that could easily be misunderstood, distorted and misused had to be transmitted orally.

This is especially true of reincarnation. As Rabbi Moshe Cordovero asserted, "Those who know do not tell and those who tell do not know." In other words, the secrets of reincarnation are meant to be held only by those who can be trusted not to spill the beans.

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You absolutely cannot speak of 'Jewish tradition' and simultaneously disregard Jewish Mysticism, Kabbalah, oral Torah/tradition, and the fact that various Jewish sects throughout history have subscribed and still do subscribe to the notion of reincarnation.
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