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A new man, homo novus. The old concept of man was of either/or; materialist or spiritualist, moral or immoral, sinner or saint. It was based on division, split. It created a schizophrenic humanity. The whole past of humanity has been sick, unhealthy, insane. In three thousand years, five thousand wars have been fought. This is just utterly mad; it is unbelievable. It is stupid, unintelligent, inhuman.

Once you divide man in two, you create misery and hell for him. He can never be healthy and can never be whole, the other half that has been denied will go on taking revenge. It will go on finding ways and means to overcome the part that you have imposed upon yourself. You will become a battle-ground, a civil war. That's what has been the case in the past.

In the past we were not able to create real human beings, but humanoids. A humanoid is one who looks like a human being but is utterly crippled, paralysed. He has not been allowed to bloom in his totality. He is half, and because he is half he is always in anguish and tension; he cannot celebrate. Only a whole man can celebrate. Celebration is the fragrance of being whole.

Only a tree that has lived wholly will flower. Man has not flowered yet.

The past has been very dark and dismal. It has been a dark night of the soul. And because it was repressive, it was bound to become aggressive. If something is repressed, man becomes aggressive, he loses all soft qualities. It was always so up to now. We have come to a point where the old has to be dropped and the new has to be heralded.

The new man will not be either/or; he will be both/and. The new man will be earthy and divine, worldly and other-worldly. The new man will accept his totality and he will live it without any inner division, he will not be split. His god will not be opposed to the devil, his morality will not be opposed to immorality; he will know no opposition. He will transcend duality, he will not be schizophrenic. With the new man there will come a new world, because the new man will perceive in a qualitatively different way and he will live a totally different life which has not been lived yet. He will be a mystic, a poet, a scientist, all together. He will not choose: he will be choicelessly himself.

That's what I teach: homo novus, a new man, not a humanoid. The humanoid is not a natural phenomenon. The humanoid is created by the society -- by the priest, the politician, the pedagogue. The humanoid is created, it is manufactured. Each child comes as a human being: total, whole, alive, without any split. Immediately the society starts suffocating him, stifling him, cutting him into fragments, telling him what to do and what not to do, what to be and what not to be. His wholeness is soon lost. He becomes guilty about his whole being. He denies much that is natural, and in that very denial he becomes uncreative. Now he will be only a fragment, and a fragment cannot dance, a fragment cannot sing, and a fragment is always suicidal because the fragment cannot know what life is. The humanoid cannot will on his own. Others have been willing for him -- his parents, the teachers, the leaders, the priests; they have taken all his willing. They will, they order; he simply follows. The humanoid is a slave.

Man has to become individual. He has to become rebellious. And whenever a man has become rebellious.... Once in a while a few people have escaped from the tyranny of the past, but only once in a while -- a Jesus here and there, a Buddha here and there. They are exceptions. And even these people, Buddha and Jesus, could not live totally. They tried, but the whole society was against it.

The old man's ideal was renunciation; the new man's ideal will be rejoicing. And this new man is coming every day, he is arriving every day. People have not yet become aware of him. In fact he has already dawned. The old is dying, the old is on its death-bed. I don't mourn for it and I say please don't mourn for it. It is good that it dies, because out of its death the new will assert. The death of the old will be the beginning of the new. The new can come only when the old has died utterly.

Help the old to die and help the new to be born! And remember, the old has all the respectability, the whole past will be in his support; and the new will be a very strange phenomenon. The new will be so new that he will not be respected. Every effort will be made to destroy the new. The new cannot be respectable, but with the new is the future of the whole of humanity. The new has to be brought in.

My work consists in creating a Buddhafield, an energy-field, where the new can be born. I am only a midwife helping the new to come into a world which will not be accepting of it. The new will need much support from those who understand, from those who want some revolution to happen. And the time is ripe, it has never been so ripe. The time is right, it has never been so right. The new can assert itself, the break-through has become possible.

The old is so rotten that even with all support it cannot survive; it is doomed! We can delay, we can go on worshipping the old; that will be just delaying the process. If it comes sooner, humanity can still have a future, and a great future: a future of freedom, a future of love, a future of joy.

I say my message is simple, but it will be very hard, difficult, to make it happen. But the harder, the more impossible, it is, the greater is the challenge. And the time is right because religion has failed. science has failed. The time is right because the East has failed, the West has failed. Something of a higher synthesis is needed in which East and West can have a meeting, in which religion and science can have a meeting.

Religion failed because it was other-worldly and it neglected this world. And you cannot neglect this world; to neglect this world is to neglect your own roots. Science has failed because it neglected the other world, the inner, and you cannot neglect the flowers.

[link to spiritualnewearth.blogspot.com]
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The beauty of all this is that we are human beings trying to make sense of US and the WORLD... and we share in our humanity that eagerness to know more, to explore, to make sense of things. I thank for that and for your post. May you find the answer for your questions... enjoy the path and realize what makes us one as a species. That eternal quest... To be or not to be... I am in you and you are in me in the brotherhood of mankind! Thanks and good night!
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Instead of a dual approach, making an either/or choice to find answers, the way to higher understanding may be through combing both: The intellect/mind and the heart (includes intuition or what some refer to as your higher self).
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The beauty of all this is that we are human beings trying to make sense of US and the WORLD... and we share in our humanity that eagerness to know more, to explore, to make sense of things. I thank for that and for your post. May you find the answer for your questions... enjoy the path and realize what makes us one as a species. That eternal quest... To be or not to be... I am in you and you are in me in the brotherhood of mankind! Thanks and good night!

Beautiful words! Thank you. Good night.

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A new man, homo novus. The old concept of man was of either/or; materialist or spiritualist, moral or immoral, sinner or saint. It was based on division, split. It created a schizophrenic humanity. The whole past of humanity has been sick, unhealthy, insane. In three thousand years, five thousand wars have been fought. This is just utterly mad; it is unbelievable. It is stupid, unintelligent, inhuman.

Once you divide man in two, you create misery and hell for him. He can never be healthy and can never be whole, the other half that has been denied will go on taking revenge. It will go on finding ways and means to overcome the part that you have imposed upon yourself. You will become a battle-ground, a civil war. That's what has been the case in the past.

In the past we were not able to create real human beings, but humanoids. A humanoid is one who looks like a human being but is utterly crippled, paralysed. He has not been allowed to bloom in his totality. He is half, and because he is half he is always in anguish and tension; he cannot celebrate. Only a whole man can celebrate. Celebration is the fragrance of being whole.

Only a tree that has lived wholly will flower. Man has not flowered yet.

The past has been very dark and dismal. It has been a dark night of the soul. And because it was repressive, it was bound to become aggressive. If something is repressed, man becomes aggressive, he loses all soft qualities. It was always so up to now. We have come to a point where the old has to be dropped and the new has to be heralded.

The new man will not be either/or; he will be both/and. The new man will be earthy and divine, worldly and other-worldly. The new man will accept his totality and he will live it without any inner division, he will not be split. His god will not be opposed to the devil, his morality will not be opposed to immorality; he will know no opposition. He will transcend duality, he will not be schizophrenic. With the new man there will come a new world, because the new man will perceive in a qualitatively different way and he will live a totally different life which has not been lived yet. He will be a mystic, a poet, a scientist, all together. He will not choose: he will be choicelessly himself.

That's what I teach: homo novus, a new man, not a humanoid. The humanoid is not a natural phenomenon. The humanoid is created by the society -- by the priest, the politician, the pedagogue. The humanoid is created, it is manufactured. Each child comes as a human being: total, whole, alive, without any split. Immediately the society starts suffocating him, stifling him, cutting him into fragments, telling him what to do and what not to do, what to be and what not to be. His wholeness is soon lost. He becomes guilty about his whole being. He denies much that is natural, and in that very denial he becomes uncreative. Now he will be only a fragment, and a fragment cannot dance, a fragment cannot sing, and a fragment is always suicidal because the fragment cannot know what life is. The humanoid cannot will on his own. Others have been willing for him -- his parents, the teachers, the leaders, the priests; they have taken all his willing. They will, they order; he simply follows. The humanoid is a slave.

Man has to become individual. He has to become rebellious. And whenever a man has become rebellious.... Once in a while a few people have escaped from the tyranny of the past, but only once in a while -- a Jesus here and there, a Buddha here and there. They are exceptions. And even these people, Buddha and Jesus, could not live totally. They tried, but the whole society was against it.

The old man's ideal was renunciation; the new man's ideal will be rejoicing. And this new man is coming every day, he is arriving every day. People have not yet become aware of him. In fact he has already dawned. The old is dying, the old is on its death-bed. I don't mourn for it and I say please don't mourn for it. It is good that it dies, because out of its death the new will assert. The death of the old will be the beginning of the new. The new can come only when the old has died utterly.

Help the old to die and help the new to be born! And remember, the old has all the respectability, the whole past will be in his support; and the new will be a very strange phenomenon. The new will be so new that he will not be respected. Every effort will be made to destroy the new. The new cannot be respectable, but with the new is the future of the whole of humanity. The new has to be brought in.

My work consists in creating a Buddhafield, an energy-field, where the new can be born. I am only a midwife helping the new to come into a world which will not be accepting of it. The new will need much support from those who understand, from those who want some revolution to happen. And the time is ripe, it has never been so ripe. The time is right, it has never been so right. The new can assert itself, the break-through has become possible.

The old is so rotten that even with all support it cannot survive; it is doomed! We can delay, we can go on worshipping the old; that will be just delaying the process. If it comes sooner, humanity can still have a future, and a great future: a future of freedom, a future of love, a future of joy.

I say my message is simple, but it will be very hard, difficult, to make it happen. But the harder, the more impossible, it is, the greater is the challenge. And the time is right because religion has failed. science has failed. The time is right because the East has failed, the West has failed. Something of a higher synthesis is needed in which East and West can have a meeting, in which religion and science can have a meeting.

Religion failed because it was other-worldly and it neglected this world. And you cannot neglect this world; to neglect this world is to neglect your own roots. Science has failed because it neglected the other world, the inner, and you cannot neglect the flowers.

[link to spiritualnewearth.blogspot.com]
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Thanks for the text and link. I have been study Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Osho, Krishnamurti and esoteric philosophy for a long long time. You would like to take a look at this book. "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire"
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A new man, homo novus. The old concept of man was of either/or; materialist or spiritualist, moral or immoral, sinner or saint. It was based on division, split. It created a schizophrenic humanity. The whole past of humanity has been sick, unhealthy, insane. In three thousand years, five thousand wars have been fought. This is just utterly mad; it is unbelievable. It is stupid, unintelligent, inhuman.

Once you divide man in two, you create misery and hell for him. He can never be healthy and can never be whole, the other half that has been denied will go on taking revenge. It will go on finding ways and means to overcome the part that you have imposed upon yourself. You will become a battle-ground, a civil war. That's what has been the case in the past.

In the past we were not able to create real human beings, but humanoids. A humanoid is one who looks like a human being but is utterly crippled, paralysed. He has not been allowed to bloom in his totality. He is half, and because he is half he is always in anguish and tension; he cannot celebrate. Only a whole man can celebrate. Celebration is the fragrance of being whole.

Only a tree that has lived wholly will flower. Man has not flowered yet.

The past has been very dark and dismal. It has been a dark night of the soul. And because it was repressive, it was bound to become aggressive. If something is repressed, man becomes aggressive, he loses all soft qualities. It was always so up to now. We have come to a point where the old has to be dropped and the new has to be heralded.

The new man will not be either/or; he will be both/and. The new man will be earthy and divine, worldly and other-worldly. The new man will accept his totality and he will live it without any inner division, he will not be split. His god will not be opposed to the devil, his morality will not be opposed to immorality; he will know no opposition. He will transcend duality, he will not be schizophrenic. With the new man there will come a new world, because the new man will perceive in a qualitatively different way and he will live a totally different life which has not been lived yet. He will be a mystic, a poet, a scientist, all together. He will not choose: he will be choicelessly himself.

That's what I teach: homo novus, a new man, not a humanoid. The humanoid is not a natural phenomenon. The humanoid is created by the society -- by the priest, the politician, the pedagogue. The humanoid is created, it is manufactured. Each child comes as a human being: total, whole, alive, without any split. Immediately the society starts suffocating him, stifling him, cutting him into fragments, telling him what to do and what not to do, what to be and what not to be. His wholeness is soon lost. He becomes guilty about his whole being. He denies much that is natural, and in that very denial he becomes uncreative. Now he will be only a fragment, and a fragment cannot dance, a fragment cannot sing, and a fragment is always suicidal because the fragment cannot know what life is. The humanoid cannot will on his own. Others have been willing for him -- his parents, the teachers, the leaders, the priests; they have taken all his willing. They will, they order; he simply follows. The humanoid is a slave.

Man has to become individual. He has to become rebellious. And whenever a man has become rebellious.... Once in a while a few people have escaped from the tyranny of the past, but only once in a while -- a Jesus here and there, a Buddha here and there. They are exceptions. And even these people, Buddha and Jesus, could not live totally. They tried, but the whole society was against it.

The old man's ideal was renunciation; the new man's ideal will be rejoicing. And this new man is coming every day, he is arriving every day. People have not yet become aware of him. In fact he has already dawned. The old is dying, the old is on its death-bed. I don't mourn for it and I say please don't mourn for it. It is good that it dies, because out of its death the new will assert. The death of the old will be the beginning of the new. The new can come only when the old has died utterly.

Help the old to die and help the new to be born! And remember, the old has all the respectability, the whole past will be in his support; and the new will be a very strange phenomenon. The new will be so new that he will not be respected. Every effort will be made to destroy the new. The new cannot be respectable, but with the new is the future of the whole of humanity. The new has to be brought in.

My work consists in creating a Buddhafield, an energy-field, where the new can be born. I am only a midwife helping the new to come into a world which will not be accepting of it. The new will need much support from those who understand, from those who want some revolution to happen. And the time is ripe, it has never been so ripe. The time is right, it has never been so right. The new can assert itself, the break-through has become possible.

The old is so rotten that even with all support it cannot survive; it is doomed! We can delay, we can go on worshipping the old; that will be just delaying the process. If it comes sooner, humanity can still have a future, and a great future: a future of freedom, a future of love, a future of joy.

I say my message is simple, but it will be very hard, difficult, to make it happen. But the harder, the more impossible, it is, the greater is the challenge. And the time is right because religion has failed. science has failed. The time is right because the East has failed, the West has failed. Something of a higher synthesis is needed in which East and West can have a meeting, in which religion and science can have a meeting.

Religion failed because it was other-worldly and it neglected this world. And you cannot neglect this world; to neglect this world is to neglect your own roots. Science has failed because it neglected the other world, the inner, and you cannot neglect the flowers.

[link to spiritualnewearth.blogspot.com]
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Thanks for the text and link. I have been study Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Osho, Krishnamurti and esoteric philosophy for a long long time. You would like to take a look at this book. "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire"
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Thanks for the text and link. I have been study Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Osho, Krishnamurti and esoteric philosophy for a long long time. You would like to take a look at this book. "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire"
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Will check into it. Thanks.
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A new man, homo novus. The old concept of man was of either/or; materialist or spiritualist, moral or immoral, sinner or saint. It was based on division, split. It created a schizophrenic humanity. The whole past of humanity has been sick, unhealthy, insane. In three thousand years, five thousand wars have been fought. This is just utterly mad; it is unbelievable. It is stupid, unintelligent, inhuman.

Once you divide man in two, you create misery and hell for him. He can never be healthy and can never be whole, the other half that has been denied will go on taking revenge. It will go on finding ways and means to overcome the part that you have imposed upon yourself. You will become a battle-ground, a civil war. That's what has been the case in the past.

In the past we were not able to create real human beings, but humanoids. A humanoid is one who looks like a human being but is utterly crippled, paralysed. He has not been allowed to bloom in his totality. He is half, and because he is half he is always in anguish and tension; he cannot celebrate. Only a whole man can celebrate. Celebration is the fragrance of being whole.

Only a tree that has lived wholly will flower. Man has not flowered yet.

The past has been very dark and dismal. It has been a dark night of the soul. And because it was repressive, it was bound to become aggressive. If something is repressed, man becomes aggressive, he loses all soft qualities. It was always so up to now. We have come to a point where the old has to be dropped and the new has to be heralded.

The new man will not be either/or; he will be both/and. The new man will be earthy and divine, worldly and other-worldly. The new man will accept his totality and he will live it without any inner division, he will not be split. His god will not be opposed to the devil, his morality will not be opposed to immorality; he will know no opposition. He will transcend duality, he will not be schizophrenic. With the new man there will come a new world, because the new man will perceive in a qualitatively different way and he will live a totally different life which has not been lived yet. He will be a mystic, a poet, a scientist, all together. He will not choose: he will be choicelessly himself.

That's what I teach: homo novus, a new man, not a humanoid. The humanoid is not a natural phenomenon. The humanoid is created by the society -- by the priest, the politician, the pedagogue. The humanoid is created, it is manufactured. Each child comes as a human being: total, whole, alive, without any split. Immediately the society starts suffocating him, stifling him, cutting him into fragments, telling him what to do and what not to do, what to be and what not to be. His wholeness is soon lost. He becomes guilty about his whole being. He denies much that is natural, and in that very denial he becomes uncreative. Now he will be only a fragment, and a fragment cannot dance, a fragment cannot sing, and a fragment is always suicidal because the fragment cannot know what life is. The humanoid cannot will on his own. Others have been willing for him -- his parents, the teachers, the leaders, the priests; they have taken all his willing. They will, they order; he simply follows. The humanoid is a slave.

Man has to become individual. He has to become rebellious. And whenever a man has become rebellious.... Once in a while a few people have escaped from the tyranny of the past, but only once in a while -- a Jesus here and there, a Buddha here and there. They are exceptions. And even these people, Buddha and Jesus, could not live totally. They tried, but the whole society was against it.

The old man's ideal was renunciation; the new man's ideal will be rejoicing. And this new man is coming every day, he is arriving every day. People have not yet become aware of him. In fact he has already dawned. The old is dying, the old is on its death-bed. I don't mourn for it and I say please don't mourn for it. It is good that it dies, because out of its death the new will assert. The death of the old will be the beginning of the new. The new can come only when the old has died utterly.

Help the old to die and help the new to be born! And remember, the old has all the respectability, the whole past will be in his support; and the new will be a very strange phenomenon. The new will be so new that he will not be respected. Every effort will be made to destroy the new. The new cannot be respectable, but with the new is the future of the whole of humanity. The new has to be brought in.

My work consists in creating a Buddhafield, an energy-field, where the new can be born. I am only a midwife helping the new to come into a world which will not be accepting of it. The new will need much support from those who understand, from those who want some revolution to happen. And the time is ripe, it has never been so ripe. The time is right, it has never been so right. The new can assert itself, the break-through has become possible.

The old is so rotten that even with all support it cannot survive; it is doomed! We can delay, we can go on worshipping the old; that will be just delaying the process. If it comes sooner, humanity can still have a future, and a great future: a future of freedom, a future of love, a future of joy.

I say my message is simple, but it will be very hard, difficult, to make it happen. But the harder, the more impossible, it is, the greater is the challenge. And the time is right because religion has failed. science has failed. The time is right because the East has failed, the West has failed. Something of a higher synthesis is needed in which East and West can have a meeting, in which religion and science can have a meeting.

Religion failed because it was other-worldly and it neglected this world. And you cannot neglect this world; to neglect this world is to neglect your own roots. Science has failed because it neglected the other world, the inner, and you cannot neglect the flowers.

[link to spiritualnewearth.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Swirling Purple


Thanks for the text and link. I have been study Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Osho, Krishnamurti and esoteric philosophy for a long long time. You would like to take a look at this book. "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire"
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Sorry for the double posting. It was a mistake. I am just feeling compelled to add that in all my quest for knowledge.. and in all my life experience... I keep coming back to "LOVE" as the answer to all my questions and worries.
Good bye!
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Thanks for the text and link. I have been study Blavatsky, Alice Bailey, Osho, Krishnamurti and esoteric philosophy for a long long time. You would like to take a look at this book. "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire"
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Sorry for the double posting. It was a mistake. I am just feeling compelled to add that in all my quest for knowledge.. and in all my life experience... I keep coming back to "LOVE" as the answer to all my questions and worries.
Good bye!
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Thank you for sharing.
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A new man, homo novus. The old concept of man was of either/or; materialist or spiritualist, moral or immoral, sinner or saint. It was based on division, split. It created a schizophrenic humanity. The whole past of humanity has been sick, unhealthy, insane. In three thousand years, five thousand wars have been fought. This is just utterly mad; it is unbelievable. It is stupid, unintelligent, inhuman.

Once you divide man in two, you create misery and hell for him. He can never be healthy and can never be whole, the other half that has been denied will go on taking revenge. It will go on finding ways and means to overcome the part that you have imposed upon yourself. You will become a battle-ground, a civil war. That's what has been the case in the past.

In the past we were not able to create real human beings, but humanoids. A humanoid is one who looks like a human being but is utterly crippled, paralysed. He has not been allowed to bloom in his totality. He is half, and because he is half he is always in anguish and tension; he cannot celebrate. Only a whole man can celebrate. Celebration is the fragrance of being whole.

Only a tree that has lived wholly will flower. Man has not flowered yet.

The past has been very dark and dismal. It has been a dark night of the soul. And because it was repressive, it was bound to become aggressive. If something is repressed, man becomes aggressive, he loses all soft qualities. It was always so up to now. We have come to a point where the old has to be dropped and the new has to be heralded.

The new man will not be either/or; he will be both/and. The new man will be earthy and divine, worldly and other-worldly. The new man will accept his totality and he will live it without any inner division, he will not be split. His god will not be opposed to the devil, his morality will not be opposed to immorality; he will know no opposition. He will transcend duality, he will not be schizophrenic. With the new man there will come a new world, because the new man will perceive in a qualitatively different way and he will live a totally different life which has not been lived yet. He will be a mystic, a poet, a scientist, all together. He will not choose: he will be choicelessly himself.

That's what I teach: homo novus, a new man, not a humanoid. The humanoid is not a natural phenomenon. The humanoid is created by the society -- by the priest, the politician, the pedagogue. The humanoid is created, it is manufactured. Each child comes as a human being: total, whole, alive, without any split. Immediately the society starts suffocating him, stifling him, cutting him into fragments, telling him what to do and what not to do, what to be and what not to be. His wholeness is soon lost. He becomes guilty about his whole being. He denies much that is natural, and in that very denial he becomes uncreative. Now he will be only a fragment, and a fragment cannot dance, a fragment cannot sing, and a fragment is always suicidal because the fragment cannot know what life is. The humanoid cannot will on his own. Others have been willing for him -- his parents, the teachers, the leaders, the priests; they have taken all his willing. They will, they order; he simply follows. The humanoid is a slave.

Man has to become individual. He has to become rebellious. And whenever a man has become rebellious.... Once in a while a few people have escaped from the tyranny of the past, but only once in a while -- a Jesus here and there, a Buddha here and there. They are exceptions. And even these people, Buddha and Jesus, could not live totally. They tried, but the whole society was against it.

The old man's ideal was renunciation; the new man's ideal will be rejoicing. And this new man is coming every day, he is arriving every day. People have not yet become aware of him. In fact he has already dawned. The old is dying, the old is on its death-bed. I don't mourn for it and I say please don't mourn for it. It is good that it dies, because out of its death the new will assert. The death of the old will be the beginning of the new. The new can come only when the old has died utterly.

Help the old to die and help the new to be born! And remember, the old has all the respectability, the whole past will be in his support; and the new will be a very strange phenomenon. The new will be so new that he will not be respected. Every effort will be made to destroy the new. The new cannot be respectable, but with the new is the future of the whole of humanity. The new has to be brought in.

My work consists in creating a Buddhafield, an energy-field, where the new can be born. I am only a midwife helping the new to come into a world which will not be accepting of it. The new will need much support from those who understand, from those who want some revolution to happen. And the time is ripe, it has never been so ripe. The time is right, it has never been so right. The new can assert itself, the break-through has become possible.

The old is so rotten that even with all support it cannot survive; it is doomed! We can delay, we can go on worshipping the old; that will be just delaying the process. If it comes sooner, humanity can still have a future, and a great future: a future of freedom, a future of love, a future of joy.

I say my message is simple, but it will be very hard, difficult, to make it happen. But the harder, the more impossible, it is, the greater is the challenge. And the time is right because religion has failed. science has failed. The time is right because the East has failed, the West has failed. Something of a higher synthesis is needed in which East and West can have a meeting, in which religion and science can have a meeting.

Religion failed because it was other-worldly and it neglected this world. And you cannot neglect this world; to neglect this world is to neglect your own roots. Science has failed because it neglected the other world, the inner, and you cannot neglect the flowers.

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beautiful! thanks for sharing.
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It's hard to be joyful when you realize in the end it's all for nothing
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Why does everything have to have a goal or some future purpose?
Look at children before they get conditioned by society. They experience pure joy of just being alive, experiencing themselves and the world. Maybe true joy can only be experienced when one has no attachments and expectations, and just lives fully in the moment instead.
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It's hard to be joyful when you realize in the end it's all for nothing
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Why does everything have to have a goal or some future purpose?
Look at children before they get conditioned by society. They experience pure joy of just being alive, experiencing themselves and the world. Maybe true joy can only be experienced when one has no attachments and expectations, and just lives fully in the moment instead.

And all the experiences everyone makes, expand our consciousness and the whole universe is learning, growing and evolving. So what one day it all may go to sleep peacefully, grateful for all its experiences and completely fulfilled or content.
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This is interesting. I have to ponder on that as it contains some elements that don't completely resonate yet. I have difficulties seeing the ascension to a new earth you refer to while others would be left to live in hell on this earth that we know.
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The ascension doesn't happen until after 1000 years of life in Positive Polarity. It is not the "fault" of those giving us this ascension that the negative polarity beings choose to remain on Earth at that time. It is an active rebellion and every attempt was/will have been made to educate them and appeal to their spirit.


Where is this other earth? Is that a parallel universe? I just have a hard time believing that some invisible being will lift the righteous ones and PUFF they are suddenly ascended and find themselves in another place.
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The cosmetic and physical acts associated with the act of ascension...I have not been inspired regarding these issues. Alien, Extra-Dimensional...whose to say? The terms are interchangeable at some levels. If Christ resides on another planet, but life on that planet is invisible to our detection while in negative polarity...are they Aliens or Angels? We need new terms.
And no one is inherently good or bad. There is a contradiction in what you say when talking about reward and punishment and naming cosmic events as the only cause of humanity's downfall at the same time.
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No, I'm saying "Reward and Punishment" are acts of nature, not of Divinity, though nature is a product of Divinity.

If you are thinking in terms of rewards and punishments, you are thinking like the adversary.

Inherent "Bad" should read "Inherently negatively charged during this cycle" and much like one side of a magnet, you'll find that our situation is the same. Not punishment but "Science." Our charge reflects the situation of the entire planet or system.

I'm aware of the cosmic cycles. they are mostly 14,000 and 26,000 year cycles that affect humanity. Of course there are cosmic cycles of unimaginable numbers of years beyond that.
I also hesitate to accept that all that happened to humanity was just cosmic and not of their own doing.
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There are also tiny cycles as some random celestial objects cause a mini rise-fall into the different polarities. Think of Earth's Wobble in rotation and apply this to the otherwise steady figures of Earth's cycles.

I don't say we didn't have a hand in our own fate. We were told not to come here and get overly involved. We followed a direct rebellion to Earth and became enslaved by it as the cosmic events caused these things to manifest, all as forseen by the True God we rebelled against.


I also believe that everything has sped up including the evolution and expansion of consciousness. It is being sped up by cosmic events and what used to take hundreds or thousands of years may now happen in an instant flash download.


We are almost crowning into the ecliptic where things like this will routinely take place
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The Cosmic Truth - Why things are the way they are and what to do about it

I will try once again to explain the cosmology we live in so that people may understand why the world is the way it is, and why virtually everything you think or believe is deceptive in nature.

Imagine Our Galaxy. Note the giant spherical mass of light at the core and all the solar systems swirling around that core the way Earth swirls around the Sun.

We imagine that all of these orbiting solar systems reside on the same plane, the ecliptic or the exact center between the upper and lower hemispheres of the Galaxy.

Due to the mechanics of the motion of these "Heavenly" bodies, some solar systems actually spend their time above or below that eccliptic plane as they make their way around the core.

Imagine that the Southern Hemisphere of the Galaxy is "Negative" and the Northern is "Positive".

Those solar systems that "fall" into the "Negative" suddenly finds itself negatively charged.

Those that "Ascend" into the Positive take on a Positive Charge.

Depending on the amount of descent or lift, these systems become Heavens or Hells at the Extremes, should they have life on them.

Life, should it exist on such a system, would be either more spiritual and ethereal or more Material and Sensual.

ON the Spiritual side, Immortality prevails.

On the Material/Sensual side, Death and Rebirth prevail.


Occasionally, either type of system will reside on the ecliptic for an age. These systems are truly remarkable when this occurs, because matter and spirit find balance and communicate and reside with each other.


Now how does this pertain to Earth?

As you might've guessed, Earth and it's solar system are in *exactly* this situation. Earth rises above the ecliptic for millenia then evens out for millenia then dips for millenia.

The ancients knew how long these cycles last and it all escapes me at the moment. Each age is usually divided into waxing/waning halves, since it will affect how things are percieved.

From the information I've given you, you can safely deduce where we are at and where we're going and about how long it's going to take us to get there.

There is one problem: The Earth will only rise so high on it's next cycle. It is due to be influenced and "Pushed" downwards further than it's ever been while material life has resided on it. Earth will become a Hell that is locked away in the void for a cosmically indefinite period of time. If anyone has calculated when and if Earth will come out of the void, they haven't hinted.

Those who wish to help us cannot do so until the Earth is closer or partially in the Ecliptic. Only there can Spiritual beings manifest and interact with Earth without fear of being tainted by negative polarity (though this can happen through their own free-will, it surely happens if the Earth itself is below the ecliptic.)

Those who embrace the Lord(s) of the Millenium will be taken to a New Heaven and Earth, as written, where nobody ever need find themselves in negative polarity again, unless they so choose (on another, less doomed planet.)

Earth is unique. It's holy books tell you the truth of our situation, but you do not understand them because they have been misunderstood.

Original Sin makes it sound like we did something wrong.

The only "Fall" we had from "Paradise" was cosmic in nature and beyond our control. The Myth of Eden only dramatizes the cosmic events.

Also, the Myth of Eden parallels the changes that took place in our brains, and how our minds and bodies work in this new age.

Also, the Myth of Eden explains how some Ethereal beings "fell" from "Heaven" and took residency here on Earth and became "Men of Reknown".

These Men of Reknown created/modified an existing Primate to create a new species of Sentient Material creatures called "Man".

These Men of Reknown quickly learned to exploit man, and making a few more changes along the way, gave them reduced life spans and reduced intelligence so they would be more subservient and never gain enough wisdom to see them for what they are.

One such Being is Yahweh, the God of the Hebrews who we've come to know as "God" according to our Western Religions. One can ask an Atheist why this God cannot be God and what makes him such a monster.

The Old Testament books regarding Yahweh are sacred, holy, and important because through it we learn how we are decieved, abused, exploited and we also learn the opposite. The Hebrew Books are sprinkled with mentions of what Heaven is like. (The fallen used to be there, and would use descriptions of it to make promises to their followers.) Also, the Fallen would teach the Hebrews (and earlier peoples) a truth here, a truth there, when it furthered their objectives. These fragments of spiritual truth survive in the Bible, mingled with tales of Yahwehic supremacy and atrocity.

The greatest amount of spiritual truth can be found in India, Tibet, China. Though these Holy Books also contain lies, the lies were not yet perfected and it's easier to see the forest from the trees.

If Earth is doomed, and reincarnation is going to "run out" of time....how do we get out of here???

We need to flip our own personal polarity from the negative charge we were born with into a positive charge.

Most religions tell you that you can do this yourself by doing "stuff" Good deeds, mantras, meditation, prayer, scripture recital, eating the right things, smoking the right things, avoiding sensual pleasure, etc.

They are all honest and logical ways to reduce your negative Polarity and...get this...used to be very effective when mankind lived for hundreds of years at at time! One could work off the negative charge.

However, once mankind was limited to 100 years of age, it could no longer be done, thus causing man to be "stuck" on Earth serving the "Gods" in endless Purgatory.



The Universe itself is a God. For all intent and purpose, it is our True God, the "Father".

It cannot truly be personified. It is both Negative and Positive, Heaven and Hell. It was neither created nor destroyed. It has love and hate yet neither loves nor hates. It is the perfection of balance in eternity. Within this balance exists the drama of imbalance. The part of it that Loves is all sentient and timeless, and therefore knew of our struggles and imbalances. It set the stars in the sky in a certain, intelligent arrangement in order to tell us how to get out of here.

In short, Crucifixion and Resurrection of "The Sun" of "God" in our sky takes place and "As Above, so Below"

Therefore, the redemption of the Earth is crucifixion and resurrection of God or "The Messiah".

Many times the stars were closely aligned to expect the Messiah. Mithra, Krishna, Zoroaster, and the rest. Simply by virtue of being near-matches their expectations and life trajectories were similar.

Only one was perfect, and orchestrated to ensure that he was perfect, and that was Jesus of Nazereth.

Jesus lived the Zodiac on Earth and was God by virtue of the right place, the right time, the right chart.

As expected, he mirrored the Sun by being crucified and resurrected.

Man killed their God on Earth, the ultimate negative polarity act. God on Earth means an end to evil and selfishness, so he must be destroyed to maintain the nature of the Age.

This perfect negative polarity act is just what we need to ironically be transformed. By accepting this gift of redemption, this negative act, we multiply our negative by this negative and become Positive. In fact, it's so negative that the resulting positive is Huge...a person would have to do more than one lifetime of sinning to slip back into negative!

There is no other faith or religion on this planet that will do what accepting Christ (and everything that means) does. ALL Of the other ones will only add to your karmic burden and reduce your time/chances for bringing yourself into paradise.

Hell is not something we go to if we do wrong. It is not a punishment. It is simply a necessity of existence. You can't have existence without on/off yes/no Heaven/Hell Up/Down.

As sentient, spiritual beings we, at some point, chose to come to earth and mingle with the Material world. We overstayed our welcome and got stuck. Then we got owned and genetically manipulated to be too dumb and short-lived to figure this stuff out and escape by smarter beings also trapped here.

Understand who and what Christ is, what we did (as a race/planet/species and the group Karma) and realize that it was Pre-ordained that this should happen FOR OUR BENEFIT by those who come from the spheres of Paradise, so that we may get (back) there and never have to leave again.
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Wow - this is a beautiful post! Any advice on where to find more information regarding this concept my friend? It really makes so much sense!

hf
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You're getting it from the inspired source. There is no textbook on the subject yet. What is happening is that scientific conclusions are overlaid onto theological principals and we find that they match or have "correspondences" and the more we study the Bible the more we see that it is either deliberately or accidentally a study of the natural order put into prose.

I tend to think that this was deliberate, highlighting the one truth "As above, so below"

And then we see that it's not only the Bible, but the other Holy books from antiquity as well. They all provide a piece of the puzzle, sometimes if only to show why a certain line of thought is wrong...for example the path of Karma and reincarnation for salvation. It can't work, but it used to.
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This is interesting. I have to ponder on that as it contains some elements that don't completely resonate yet. I have difficulties seeing the ascension to a new earth you refer to while others would be left to live in hell on this earth that we know.
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The ascension doesn't happen until after 1000 years of life in Positive Polarity. It is not the "fault" of those giving us this ascension that the negative polarity beings choose to remain on Earth at that time. It is an active rebellion and every attempt was/will have been made to educate them and appeal to their spirit.


Where is this other earth? Is that a parallel universe? I just have a hard time believing that some invisible being will lift the righteous ones and PUFF they are suddenly ascended and find themselves in another place.
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The cosmetic and physical acts associated with the act of ascension...I have not been inspired regarding these issues. Alien, Extra-Dimensional...whose to say? The terms are interchangeable at some levels. If Christ resides on another planet, but life on that planet is invisible to our detection while in negative polarity...are they Aliens or Angels? We need new terms.
And no one is inherently good or bad. There is a contradiction in what you say when talking about reward and punishment and naming cosmic events as the only cause of humanity's downfall at the same time.
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No, I'm saying "Reward and Punishment" are acts of nature, not of Divinity, though nature is a product of Divinity.

If you are thinking in terms of rewards and punishments, you are thinking like the adversary.

Inherent "Bad" should read "Inherently negatively charged during this cycle" and much like one side of a magnet, you'll find that our situation is the same. Not punishment but "Science." Our charge reflects the situation of the entire planet or system.

I'm aware of the cosmic cycles. they are mostly 14,000 and 26,000 year cycles that affect humanity. Of course there are cosmic cycles of unimaginable numbers of years beyond that.
I also hesitate to accept that all that happened to humanity was just cosmic and not of their own doing.
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There are also tiny cycles as some random celestial objects cause a mini rise-fall into the different polarities. Think of Earth's Wobble in rotation and apply this to the otherwise steady figures of Earth's cycles.

I don't say we didn't have a hand in our own fate. We were told not to come here and get overly involved. We followed a direct rebellion to Earth and became enslaved by it as the cosmic events caused these things to manifest, all as forseen by the True God we rebelled against.
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I also believe that everything has sped up including the evolution and expansion of consciousness. It is being sped up by cosmic events and what used to take hundreds or thousands of years may now happen in an instant flash download.


We are almost crowning into the ecliptic where things like this will routinely take place


Thanks. More food for thought and meditation :)

When mentioning to reward and punishment, I was referring to the science of karma. In order for it to go in effect, it would imply that people do things that are either contributing to the universal harmony or disturbing the balance and therefore be affected by a pushing and pulling force based in the natural universal laws.

How would it be decided who ascends and who descends further in hell realm? Does that have to do with rebellion or disregard of the science of nature? Is it under the influence of cosmic events more than people's own doing? I would assume the latter as there is free will in humans and negatively charged action usually happens due to choosing ignorance. Everyone has the choice to look deeper to understand the greater picture and the interconnectedness of all.

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Wow - this is a beautiful post! Any advice on where to find more information regarding this concept my friend? It really makes so much sense!

hf
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You're getting it from the inspired source. There is no textbook on the subject yet. What is happening is that scientific conclusions are overlaid onto theological principals and we find that they match or have "correspondences" and the more we study the Bible the more we see that it is either deliberately or accidentally a study of the natural order put into prose.

I tend to think that this was deliberate, highlighting the one truth "As above, so below"

And then we see that it's not only the Bible, but the other Holy books from antiquity as well. They all provide a piece of the puzzle, sometimes if only to show why a certain line of thought is wrong...for example the path of Karma and reincarnation for salvation. It can't work, but it used to.
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Why can't the path of reincarnation and salvation work anymore?
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A new man, homo novus. The old concept of man was of either/or; materialist or spiritualist, moral or immoral, sinner or saint. It was based on division, split. It created a schizophrenic humanity. The whole past of humanity has been sick, unhealthy, insane. In three thousand years, five thousand wars have been fought. This is just utterly mad; it is unbelievable. It is stupid, unintelligent, inhuman.

Once you divide man in two, you create misery and hell for him. He can never be healthy and can never be whole, the other half that has been denied will go on taking revenge. It will go on finding ways and means to overcome the part that you have imposed upon yourself. You will become a battle-ground, a civil war. That's what has been the case in the past.

In the past we were not able to create real human beings, but humanoids. A humanoid is one who looks like a human being but is utterly crippled, paralysed. He has not been allowed to bloom in his totality. He is half, and because he is half he is always in anguish and tension; he cannot celebrate. Only a whole man can celebrate. Celebration is the fragrance of being whole.

Only a tree that has lived wholly will flower. Man has not flowered yet.

The past has been very dark and dismal. It has been a dark night of the soul. And because it was repressive, it was bound to become aggressive. If something is repressed, man becomes aggressive, he loses all soft qualities. It was always so up to now. We have come to a point where the old has to be dropped and the new has to be heralded.

The new man will not be either/or; he will be both/and. The new man will be earthy and divine, worldly and other-worldly. The new man will accept his totality and he will live it without any inner division, he will not be split. His god will not be opposed to the devil, his morality will not be opposed to immorality; he will know no opposition. He will transcend duality, he will not be schizophrenic. With the new man there will come a new world, because the new man will perceive in a qualitatively different way and he will live a totally different life which has not been lived yet. He will be a mystic, a poet, a scientist, all together. He will not choose: he will be choicelessly himself.

That's what I teach: homo novus, a new man, not a humanoid. The humanoid is not a natural phenomenon. The humanoid is created by the society -- by the priest, the politician, the pedagogue. The humanoid is created, it is manufactured. Each child comes as a human being: total, whole, alive, without any split. Immediately the society starts suffocating him, stifling him, cutting him into fragments, telling him what to do and what not to do, what to be and what not to be. His wholeness is soon lost. He becomes guilty about his whole being. He denies much that is natural, and in that very denial he becomes uncreative. Now he will be only a fragment, and a fragment cannot dance, a fragment cannot sing, and a fragment is always suicidal because the fragment cannot know what life is. The humanoid cannot will on his own. Others have been willing for him -- his parents, the teachers, the leaders, the priests; they have taken all his willing. They will, they order; he simply follows. The humanoid is a slave.

Man has to become individual. He has to become rebellious. And whenever a man has become rebellious.... Once in a while a few people have escaped from the tyranny of the past, but only once in a while -- a Jesus here and there, a Buddha here and there. They are exceptions. And even these people, Buddha and Jesus, could not live totally. They tried, but the whole society was against it.

The old man's ideal was renunciation; the new man's ideal will be rejoicing. And this new man is coming every day, he is arriving every day. People have not yet become aware of him. In fact he has already dawned. The old is dying, the old is on its death-bed. I don't mourn for it and I say please don't mourn for it. It is good that it dies, because out of its death the new will assert. The death of the old will be the beginning of the new. The new can come only when the old has died utterly.

Help the old to die and help the new to be born! And remember, the old has all the respectability, the whole past will be in his support; and the new will be a very strange phenomenon. The new will be so new that he will not be respected. Every effort will be made to destroy the new. The new cannot be respectable, but with the new is the future of the whole of humanity. The new has to be brought in.

My work consists in creating a Buddhafield, an energy-field, where the new can be born. I am only a midwife helping the new to come into a world which will not be accepting of it. The new will need much support from those who understand, from those who want some revolution to happen. And the time is ripe, it has never been so ripe. The time is right, it has never been so right. The new can assert itself, the break-through has become possible.

The old is so rotten that even with all support it cannot survive; it is doomed! We can delay, we can go on worshipping the old; that will be just delaying the process. If it comes sooner, humanity can still have a future, and a great future: a future of freedom, a future of love, a future of joy.

I say my message is simple, but it will be very hard, difficult, to make it happen. But the harder, the more impossible, it is, the greater is the challenge. And the time is right because religion has failed. science has failed. The time is right because the East has failed, the West has failed. Something of a higher synthesis is needed in which East and West can have a meeting, in which religion and science can have a meeting.

Religion failed because it was other-worldly and it neglected this world. And you cannot neglect this world; to neglect this world is to neglect your own roots. Science has failed because it neglected the other world, the inner, and you cannot neglect the flowers.

[link to spiritualnewearth.blogspot.com]
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beautiful! thanks for sharing.

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Hi Paler! Beautiful song. Fits well. : )

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Thanks. More food for thought and meditation :)

When mentioning to reward and punishment, I was referring to the science of karma. In order for it to go in effect, it would imply that people do things that are either contributing to the universal harmony or disturbing the balance and therefore be affected by a pushing and pulling force based in the natural universal laws.

How would it be decided who ascends and who descends further in hell realm? Does that have to do with rebellion or disregard of the science of nature? Is it under the influence of cosmic events more than people's own doing? I would assume the first option as there is free will in humans and negatively charged action usually happens due to choosing ignorance. Everyone has the choice to look deeper to understand the greater picture and the interconnectedness of all.


Why can't the path of reincarnation and salvation work anymore?
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Karma and Reincarnation have a gravity to them that reflects the planets place in the cosmos.

So if the Earth is in negative polarity, Karma acts as a drain and we all circle around it being pulled further and further into negative polarity.

If the Earth is in Positive Polarity, Karma Lifts people up.

In either case, there are ways to hack Karma.

It is through mathematics. Instead of adding and subtracting, which is how it usally works, we multiply and therefore in Negative Polarity - x - = +

In Positive polarity, + x - = -

Right now, doing "Good works" is throwing good money after bad. We are born with the charge of rebellion against God, and this is a large integer. We don't live long enough to overcome it no matter how much good we do.

Therefore, we need a multiplier, a negative one, and this is the crucifixion of God.

- x - = + and once we have that, there's no amount of bad karma that will undo that change.

Crunch the numbers, you'll see.

You are worried a lot about who will ascend and what will help or hinder it. Those who have flipped their polarity will make It to the millennial Kingdom and from there you will not have to worry.

If you are currently wired to recoil at the very thought of accepting Christ, it's going to be hard for you.

You need to look closely at why that thought bothers you so much, if it does.
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Thanks. More food for thought and meditation :)

When mentioning to reward and punishment, I was referring to the science of karma. In order for it to go in effect, it would imply that people do things that are either contributing to the universal harmony or disturbing the balance and therefore be affected by a pushing and pulling force based in the natural universal laws.

How would it be decided who ascends and who descends further in hell realm? Does that have to do with rebellion or disregard of the science of nature? Is it under the influence of cosmic events more than people's own doing? I would assume the first option as there is free will in humans and negatively charged action usually happens due to choosing ignorance. Everyone has the choice to look deeper to understand the greater picture and the interconnectedness of all.


Why can't the path of reincarnation and salvation work anymore?
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Karma and Reincarnation have a gravity to them that reflects the planets place in the cosmos.

So if the Earth is in negative polarity, Karma acts as a drain and we all circle around it being pulled further and further into negative polarity.

If the Earth is in Positive Polarity, Karma Lifts people up.

In either case, there are ways to hack Karma.

It is through mathematics. Instead of adding and subtracting, which is how it usally works, we multiply and therefore in Negative Polarity - x - = +

In Positive polarity, + x - = -

Right now, doing "Good works" is throwing good money after bad. We are born with the charge of rebellion against God, and this is a large integer. We don't live long enough to overcome it no matter how much good we do.

Therefore, we need a multiplier, a negative one, and this is the crucifixion of God.

- x - = + and once we have that, there's no amount of bad karma that will undo that change.

Crunch the numbers, you'll see.

You are worried a lot about who will ascend and what will help or hinder it. Those who have flipped their polarity will make It to the millennial Kingdom and from there you will not have to worry.

If you are currently wired to recoil at the very thought of accepting Christ, it's going to be hard for you.

You need to look closely at why that thought bothers you so much, if it does.
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People are born with different levels of karma. Some choose to come here to finalize something small and are practically liberated. Some seem to be very far behind with a narrow minded consciousness and closed heart. It seems like they need many more lifetimes to clear themselves of accumulated bad karma.
It seems like there may be an issue of definition that I still don't recognize your theory as conclusive. It's new to me but I'm open to reflect on it. It seems to render all to a matter of mathematics and victimhood to cosmic energies rather than choice and own doing. You say that people are born with God rebellion. I'm not sure that one can tar all with the same brush.
I am convinced that some incarnate here by choice to be teachers and others had no choice but to reincarnate for they carry karmic debts that need to be resolved here.

I'm not worried about who ascends and who doesn't. I'm interested in understanding your theory.
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Thanks. More food for thought and meditation :)

When mentioning to reward and punishment, I was referring to the science of karma. In order for it to go in effect, it would imply that people do things that are either contributing to the universal harmony or disturbing the balance and therefore be affected by a pushing and pulling force based in the natural universal laws.

How would it be decided who ascends and who descends further in hell realm? Does that have to do with rebellion or disregard of the science of nature? Is it under the influence of cosmic events more than people's own doing? I would assume the first option as there is free will in humans and negatively charged action usually happens due to choosing ignorance. Everyone has the choice to look deeper to understand the greater picture and the interconnectedness of all.


Why can't the path of reincarnation and salvation work anymore?
 Quoting: Swirling Purple


Karma and Reincarnation have a gravity to them that reflects the planets place in the cosmos.

So if the Earth is in negative polarity, Karma acts as a drain and we all circle around it being pulled further and further into negative polarity.

If the Earth is in Positive Polarity, Karma Lifts people up.

In either case, there are ways to hack Karma.

It is through mathematics. Instead of adding and subtracting, which is how it usally works, we multiply and therefore in Negative Polarity - x - = +

In Positive polarity, + x - = -

Right now, doing "Good works" is throwing good money after bad. We are born with the charge of rebellion against God, and this is a large integer. We don't live long enough to overcome it no matter how much good we do.

Therefore, we need a multiplier, a negative one, and this is the crucifixion of God.

- x - = + and once we have that, there's no amount of bad karma that will undo that change.

Crunch the numbers, you'll see.

You are worried a lot about who will ascend and what will help or hinder it. Those who have flipped their polarity will make It to the millennial Kingdom and from there you will not have to worry.

If you are currently wired to recoil at the very thought of accepting Christ, it's going to be hard for you.

You need to look closely at why that thought bothers you so much, if it does.
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And how does accepting Christ void all the mathematical science you speak of?
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People are born with different levels of karma.
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This is leftover theology from a bygone age applied erroneously to our current age.

It is also a clever way for the enemy to convince souls to focus on reincarnation and continually accepting the negative charge of this dispensation, thus keeping those souls circling the drain and failing to accept the multiplier.
Some choose to come here to finalize something small and are practically liberated. Some seem to be very far behind with a narrow minded consciousness and closed heart. It seems like they need many more lifetimes to clear themselves of accumulated bad karma.
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This is all how it used to work before and during the fall. We are post-fall and this no longer applies.
It seems like there may be an issue of definition that I still don't recognize your theory as conclusive. It's new to me but I'm open to reflect on it. It seems to render all to a matter of mathematics and victimhood to cosmic energies rather than choice and own doing. You say that people are born with God rebellion. I'm not sure that one can tar all with the same brush.
I am convinced that some incarnate here by choice to be teachers and others had no choice but to reincarnate for they carry karmic debts that need to be resolved here.
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Cosmic Energies and free will work together. They are not mutually exclusive. It takes a nudge of free will to fall to one side or the other from balance to Polarity.
I'm not worried about who ascends and who doesn't. I'm interested in understanding your theory.
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The key to this is understanding correspondences. As Above, so below. Macrocosm=Microcosm. To correspond is to measure against and come out equal, and this means numbers and that means math and the more we understand math we understand everything.

You are resisting, I think, the notion that the Earth is in a fallen therefore negative state. Understand that this state is the result of the Earth being below the ecliptic. This area is negative, it acts as a multiplier on the Earth, and therefore those born on to it.

When we chose to come to Earth, we were free to go to-and-fro between the higher spheres and here. Why? The Earth was in neutral polarity. We were fascinated by the material life developing here and we were helping it along as co-creators.

This was our free will. During this time, Karma was the Law. It was not natural for us to have polarity equalized...we were used to Positive Polarity dominating our existence. Naturally there was trial, error and balancing.

When the Earth fell, those of us who were still here were overwhelmed by the new negative polarity dominance and succumbed to it.

Now, Karma and works were impossible to restore ourselves and we became slaves to mortality, flesh, greed and fear. 100 years not enough to clean our slate, so we reincarnate and instead of making ground, pick up more negative karma because it is a gravity drain.

So, Karma no longer the means of salvation, but the method of our destruction. A new deal is made, that of rescue. Christ is the new deal. All other religions are bygones from a different time. Accept rescue.
:ritd:"You've been left on your own, like a Rainbow in the Dark" -Ronnie James Dio:ritd:
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The Universe consists of unbiased energy and is therefore indifferent to its creation. You could say it is enlightened and non-dual in its core. Creation and destruction are the nature and repeat events of the universe. Just like stars are born, grow old and die within the galaxies, all other manifestations of life follow this pattern.

Stars are formed in nebulas, interstellar clouds of dust and gas. Nebulas are either remnants of matter from the original big bang or the result of stars either collapsing or going supernova.

During the lifespan of a planet, life develops and evolves. Planet Earth is not the only place with life on it. There have been planets with life billions of years before there even was the first microorganism on earth and there will be life on other stars long after earth and all its life has run its course. Scientists calculated that in 5-6 billion years the Sun will swell into a red giant star. Even now, the Sun grows brighter and brighter as its is evolving 'off' the main sequence. In another 500 million years of this steady increase, it will be about 10 percent more luminous. This means that the surface of the Earth will be a LOT hotter as the oceans begin to dump more water vapor into the atmosphere and thereby increase the terrestrial greenhouse effect. Some forecasts suggest that in as little as another few hundred million years, the Earth's biosphere may turn very inhospitable.

A few hundred million years is a long time, but humanity is capable of destroying itself, earth and all life on earth in no time at all.

Humans are taking the position of thinking that they are the most evolved species that ever existed in the universe, but it isn't so. The current state of humanity is actually a result of its devolution for several reasons such as low density vibrations prevailing on earth due to astrological placements and cycles, due to ignorance, greed and many other reasons. Even if you disregard the possibility that there is more evolved life out there in the universe, there have been more evolved civilizations right here on earth before the current one. The history that is being taught in schools and that is written up in history books is inaccurate. A lot of ancient knowledge is hidden from the masses.

The point I'm trying to make to open this discussion is that if humanity destroys itself now or soon, and we may be farther down the road of destruction than we realize, the universe will not care. The universe keeps creating. The dinosaurs emerged and perished. Today they are no more than an interesting artifact. At the time of their destruction, they must have suffered greatly, but life goes on. And humanity may also become no more than a distant memory to another species that evolves after humans regardless of how much humans suffered or mourned their demise.

If humanity was more evolved and enlightened, there would be a concerted effort to be the ones to evolve into a more advanced species and to continue to exist for a very long time. But due to ignorance, greed and a false sense of entitlement, humans may never experience the golden age.

In fact, the golden age and paradise on earth was always there and an option, but it is humans who managed to create hell on earth with their actions, their lust for power, selfishness, ignorance, lack of foresight and absence of altruistic vision for humankind as one.

Humans could have used their ability to invent and develop technology to ensure sustainability of life and to make life on earth very comfortable and enjoyable for everyone. Instead things got out of balance and there is now more technology that kills than that which enables a good life for all.

The universe is just unbiased energy that keeps on creating. It will not be sad if humanity turns out to be a big fail. The universe will not save us because it is ego-less and has no interest in preserving its creations. Humans developed a consciousness of free will and the ability to choose. If they use this to destroy themselves, there is no outside force that will stop them. Something else will evolve and emerge. The universe will just keep creating new and improved versions of life.

Your thoughts?
 Quoting: Swirling Purple


There is no favoritism by the universe. :) If humanity screws up, c'est la vie. Some other species will get a chance. In fact, there may be many other much more advanced species in the universe already.
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Here's a series that explains it all, enjoy---

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THIS

A Message To Humanity!

by Charlie Chaplin

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THIS

A Message To Humanity!

by Charlie Chaplin


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Thanks. More food for thought and meditation :)

When mentioning to reward and punishment, I was referring to the science of karma. In order for it to go in effect, it would imply that people do things that are either contributing to the universal harmony or disturbing the balance and therefore be affected by a pushing and pulling force based in the natural universal laws.

How would it be decided who ascends and who descends further in hell realm? Does that have to do with rebellion or disregard of the science of nature? Is it under the influence of cosmic events more than people's own doing? I would assume the first option as there is free will in humans and negatively charged action usually happens due to choosing ignorance. Everyone has the choice to look deeper to understand the greater picture and the interconnectedness of all.


Why can't the path of reincarnation and salvation work anymore?
 Quoting: Swirling Purple


Karma and Reincarnation have a gravity to them that reflects the planets place in the cosmos.

So if the Earth is in negative polarity, Karma acts as a drain and we all circle around it being pulled further and further into negative polarity.

If the Earth is in Positive Polarity, Karma Lifts people up.

In either case, there are ways to hack Karma.

It is through mathematics. Instead of adding and subtracting, which is how it usally works, we multiply and therefore in Negative Polarity - x - = +

In Positive polarity, + x - = -

Right now, doing "Good works" is throwing good money after bad. We are born with the charge of rebellion against God, and this is a large integer. We don't live long enough to overcome it no matter how much good we do.

Therefore, we need a multiplier, a negative one, and this is the crucifixion of God.

- x - = + and once we have that, there's no amount of bad karma that will undo that change.

Crunch the numbers, you'll see.

You are worried a lot about who will ascend and what will help or hinder it. Those who have flipped their polarity will make It to the millennial Kingdom and from there you will not have to worry.

If you are currently wired to recoil at the very thought of accepting Christ, it's going to be hard for you.

You need to look closely at why that thought bothers you so much, if it does.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


Your theory sounds interesting and I'm not trying to discredit it. People often speak about the things only in different terms and definitions. Mis-communication is another trait of the fallen low density state of vibratory frequency humanity is currently in

I do observe karma though in my work as I sometimes work with people visiting their past lives and I also observe karma that plays out within a short time. Karma is as real as always as it is the most fundamental and intricate law of the universe. Even on a cosmic downward cycle the laws of karma stay in effect.

It is vitally important that people recognize that they are not victims of their circumstances, but that all has a deeper purpose and reason based in unconditional love, the absolute creative power of the universe.

Believing in victim mode and expecting to be saved out of the predicament, only makes people impotent and powerless. But we have tremendous power and divinity within ourselves. To be 'saved' you need to look within and not 'without'. Even if the physical is all lost and humanity has managed to destroy themselves and the planet, everyone's salvation is through realizing their eternal spiritual nature. Getting it right, moving into the heart, as long as one is in the body is a great chance to advance your souls.
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Even though the laws of karma are unshakable, there are some on earth who came here with a shield that protects them from accumulating karma because they are volunteers and have a special purpose here.

The elite on the other hand has used dark magic to evade karma but the cosmic energies at work are now lifting and dissolving all their black magic. Their spiritual victory was only fake and short lived.

They are now finding out that karma is a bitch you can't negotiate with and their actions have consequences not only for others, but especially for the perpetrators of humanity. They are so shut off from their hearts, that they will be the last in line for any spiritual salvation. And the last ones (the ones who ate temporarily suffering due to the actions of a few bad seeds) will be the first. The scriptures say something to that effect.



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