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The O.T.O, Crowley, & Gnostics

 
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Some sick deranged group of people...

An ascetic avoids having ejaculations, even with his wife, but directs his sexual energies in Yoga-practises into his head (where he assumes is found the most direct bridge to the Divine). In order to achieve Androgynity, he penetrates his wife (avoiding orgasm) so that she, as well, might benefit from his luck. (9*)
Yoga is one of the preliminary conditions to master the body before using it as a temple. By westerners, Yoga is mistakenly thought to be a system of physical exercises to keep the body supple and the mind calm. But the meaning of the word yoga is union and the system was developed by eastern adepts to assist them to attain union with the source of all being.
All the Gnostic movements, be they the old ones or modern ones, assign salvation only to man: the woman has to become a man in order to enter heaven. (10*) The ascetic Gnostics avoid ejaculation and let the woman join in his wonderful ability to "produce" the Logos; the libertine Gnostics use all of the woman's gifts in order to sweat out the Pneuma.

Well. Our two questions (1. can women be saved? and, 2. what shall we do with the sperm?) cannot be separated. Only man's sperm can offer salvation (11*) and woman has to become man in order to be saved. (12*)

Which spermo-Gnostics are known today? Since the turn of the present century, the most famous group has organised itself as a quasi freemasonry organisazion, called Ordo Templi Orientis, in short: O.T.O. (13*)


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Crowley describes the method of how to smear sperm on a talisman/sigil in order to attract for example money. This paper is so secret that, at one time, its possession was equal with having the IXth degree O.T.O. There was no other proof until only recently: now one possibly needs to go through an examination test to prove "possession"/"knowledge" of the IXth degree O.T.O. (34*)
Crowley played around with different sexmagickal methods. One of the O.T.O.'s secrets is the adoration of the idol Baphomet of the old Templars. While the German splinter-group, the misogynist Fraternitas Saturni definitely tried (and still tries) to incarnate Baphomet in flesh, (35*) in the O.T.O.-groups (that emerged after Crowley's death in 1947) the subject is not that clear although incorporated in the Xth degree. Crowley advised selection of a female partner. The magician and his mate "copulate continuously" until impregnation results: a homunculus. (36*) Maybe the ability of the Xth to create a homunculus was realised on the physical level in their privilegue of electing their OHO.

In the XIth degree, the mostly homosexual degree, (40*) one identifies oneself with an ejaculating penis. (41*) The blood (or excrements) from anal intercourse attract the spirits/demons while the sperm keeps them alive. On 31 March 1946 Crowley noted down a dream in his diary: "A most frightful semi-dream (between two normal motions) of giving birth to a foetus per anum. It was a mass of blood & slime. The nastiest Qliphotic experience I can remember!"

Crowley saw no use in the vaginal fluids nor did he think that women are divine, (42*) therefore he could not imagine lesbian sexmagick. He believed that "man is the guardian of the Life of God; woman but a temporary expedient; a shrine indeed for the God, but not the God." ==> Women exist for the use of men. His ideal female: "robust, vigorous, eager, sensible, hot and healthy". That is to say, his interest was in the woman's body and he wanted no spiritual or intellectual participation from her.


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Gnostics, come splain to me what this is all about.

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Gnosis means Knowledge in greek

So you band everyone that seeks knowledge into the above groups so called goals?

Thats like saying every painter only likes the color yellow
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Gnosis means Knowledge in greek

So you band everyone that seeks knowledge into the above groups so called goals?

Thats like saying every painter only likes the color yellow
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No. There isn't anything wrong with seeking knowledge. There is an issue with secret societies and their occult rituals.

You start backtracing and find things you probably don't want to. Just like the masons are obsessed with the phallic and yoni nature, amongst other things.

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"A truth's initial commotion is directly proportional to how deeply the lie was believed. When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker, a raving lunatic."
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Gnosis means Knowledge in greek

So you band everyone that seeks knowledge into the above groups so called goals?

Thats like saying every painter only likes the color yellow
 Quoting: Balloons


No. There isn't anything wrong with seeking knowledge. There is an issue with secret societies and their occult rituals.

You start backtracing and find things you probably don't want to. Just like the masons are obsessed with the phallic and yoni nature, amongst other things.
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I would not worry about that, it just wears you down
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Gnosis means Knowledge in greek

So you band everyone that seeks knowledge into the above groups so called goals?

Thats like saying every painter only likes the color yellow
 Quoting: Balloons


No. There isn't anything wrong with seeking knowledge. There is an issue with secret societies and their occult rituals.

You start backtracing and find things you probably don't want to. Just like the masons are obsessed with the phallic and yoni nature, amongst other things.
 Quoting: Xerces

I would not worry about that, it just wears you down
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Too late...

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"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
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The OTO/Crowley stuff is just watered down Tantric Buddhism.

The Tantric masters have been at it for millenia:

[link to www.trimondi.de]

Crowley is like a first-grader learning his A-B-Cs compared to what goes on in the higher levels of tnatric Buddhism. Read the above link, its an eye-opener.
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The OTO/Crowley stuff is just watered down Tantric Buddhism.

The Tantric masters have been at it for millenia:

[link to www.trimondi.de]

Crowley is like a first-grader learning his A-B-Cs compared to what goes on in the higher levels of tnatric Buddhism. Read the above link, its an eye-opener.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130777


Readin it now. What I really want to know is why they are obsessed with dicks and vaginas.

Yeah...great...sex is nice, and yes you can create something from it, but seriously...

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The OTO/Crowley stuff is just watered down Tantric Buddhism.

The Tantric masters have been at it for millenia:

[link to www.trimondi.de]

Crowley is like a first-grader learning his A-B-Cs compared to what goes on in the higher levels of tnatric Buddhism. Read the above link, its an eye-opener.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130777


Readin it now. What I really want to know is why they are obsessed with dicks and vaginas.

Yeah...great...sex is nice, and yes you can create something from it, but seriously...

dafuqcomp
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So you keep thinking about it
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Reading this just made me remember a song of a record I used to play back in the days......



Intro: "Ein herrlich Werk ist gleich zustand gebracht
es wird ein Mensch gemacht"

can be translated as "a glorious work is being completed, a Man is made"


This track is by the German Group "Mysterious Art" and taken from the album "Das Omen" wtf

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The elites sure liked Crowley for his knowledge of the supernatural, but I wouldn't label him a friend of the Goddess.

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The OTO/Crowley stuff is just watered down Tantric Buddhism.

The Tantric masters have been at it for millenia:

[link to www.trimondi.de]

Crowley is like a first-grader learning his A-B-Cs compared to what goes on in the higher levels of tnatric Buddhism. Read the above link, its an eye-opener.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130777


Readin it now. What I really want to know is why they are obsessed with dicks and vaginas.

Yeah...great...sex is nice, and yes you can create something from it, but seriously...

dafuqcomp
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So you keep thinking about it
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And the point of thinking about sex is...?

I've trained my mind to be free of thoughts. Luckily I don't have to deal with the woe of 60,000 thoughts per day, or the average joe thinking about sex X amount of times per hour.
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Are these thelemists?
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The OTO/Crowley stuff is just watered down Tantric Buddhism.

The Tantric masters have been at it for millenia:

[link to www.trimondi.de]

Crowley is like a first-grader learning his A-B-Cs compared to what goes on in the higher levels of tnatric Buddhism. Read the above link, its an eye-opener.
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Readin it now. What I really want to know is why they are obsessed with dicks and vaginas.

Yeah...great...sex is nice, and yes you can create something from it, but seriously...

dafuqcomp
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So you keep thinking about it
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And the point of thinking about sex is...?

I've trained my mind to be free of thoughts. Luckily I don't have to deal with the woe of 60,000 thoughts per day, or the average joe thinking about sex X amount of times per hour.
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Im just guessing, i dont really know, it could also be a representation of the ying yang coupple, the dualistic nature of the world

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The elites sure liked Crowley for his knowledge of the supernatural, but I wouldn't label him a friend of the Goddess.
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Interesting.
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I can tell you a little about sex in esoteric Buddhism. First of all, its a very advanced practice. Its not something to be taken lightly. You can clean off a skinned knee and put a band-aide on it and then call yourself a "healer" in a sense, but that's not the same as performing neurosurgery. Its something like that. You got to remember these people study 20, 30 years before they get to the practices like that.

It's not a path I would go down, or am interested in going down. But its kind of like a fusion of male/female yin/yang forces as the other poster noted. Then the master manipulates the subtle energy in a certain way to become aligned with the cosmic cycles.

The medieval Western alchemists had some idea of this process and they encoded it in their alchemical seals and symbols...the idea of the "chemical wedding"...a lot of alchemy (turning lead to gold and so on) was elaborate secret metaphor for advanced workings with these high-level sexual energies.

See:
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or look into this stuff:
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But in the west the science of this kind of psycho-sexual fusion was never as advanced and systematized as it was in places like Tibet and Nepal because it was driven underground and was Taboo. In Tibet you had monks working on this stuff for centuries, with the dedication of high-energy physics scientists.

Like I said, I think its all a bit above the heads of modern practitioners...you have to go through so much training before you can approach this level and just playing around with these forces is very dangerous...its OK to read about it I think, but not my cup of tea in terms of practice.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Gnosis means Knowledge in greek

So you band everyone that seeks knowledge into the above groups so called goals?

Thats like saying every painter only likes the color yellow
 Quoting: Balloons


No. There isn't anything wrong with seeking knowledge. There is an issue with secret societies and their occult rituals.

You start backtracing and find things you probably don't want to. Just like the masons are obsessed with the phallic and yoni nature, amongst other things.
 Quoting: Xerces


It's not that it's an obsession, it's just a fundamental truth that masculine and feminine principles aren't just embodied in man, but in all creatures, nature, the universe, etc. You just don't like the idea of anything sexual being studied by a group of people who wish to explore those ideas.
But you should understand, because of that underlying hatred by people like you, you are the exact reason these societies are so secret! BTW "occult rituals" just means secret rituals, secret because of ignorant idiots with hangups about sexuality.
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The elites sure liked Crowley for his knowledge of the supernatural, but I wouldn't label him a friend of the Goddess.
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Wrong, they did not like Crowley AT ALL. If they did they certainly would have seen to it that the Grand Lodge of Masonry didn't try to sue him and also defame him in the press multiple times. They hated him, because he taught their secrets to those who had the will to learn them not to those who were born into a wealthy family. So, please before you defame someone like Crowley ask yourself what everyone on here should be doing. "Why is this man so blatantly blasphemed and why is it so common knowledge he is evil, so to speak". I usually find when the powerful try to label someone a threat it's usually because he offers truth to the people.
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Gnosis means Knowledge in greek

So you band everyone that seeks knowledge into the above groups so called goals?

Thats like saying every painter only likes the color yellow
 Quoting: Balloons


No. There isn't anything wrong with seeking knowledge. There is an issue with secret societies and their occult rituals.

You start backtracing and find things you probably don't want to. Just like the masons are obsessed with the phallic and yoni nature, amongst other things.
 Quoting: Xerces


It's not that it's an obsession, it's just a fundamental truth that masculine and feminine principles aren't just embodied in man, but in all creatures, nature, the universe, etc. You just don't like the idea of anything sexual being studied by a group of people who wish to explore those ideas.
But you should understand, because of that underlying hatred by people like you, you are the exact reason these societies are so secret! BTW "occult rituals" just means secret rituals, secret because of ignorant idiots with hangups about sexuality.
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Got to be kidding me. They have so many symbols that are a representation of a dick it's not funny (might even call them bone smokin butt pirates).

There is NO NEED to repeatedly study the birds and the bees, let alone shove it in people's faces. I have parts, a woman has parts. There is union on multiple levels physical and spiritual, and that's about it.

No need to see if I can ejaculate into a bowel and then suck it back up with my dick like a straw. Fucking, GROSS (real practice).

I am well aware of the human anatomy already, and what goes where. No need to keep studying it. Just put it to use!

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For perfume mix meal & honey & thick leavings of red wine: then oil of Abramelin and olive oil, and afterward soften & smooth down with rich fresh blood.

The best blood is of the moon, monthly: then the fresh blood of a child, or dropping from the host of heaven: then of enemies; then of the priest or of the worshippers: last of some beast, no matter what.

This burn: of this make cakes & eat unto me. This hath also another use; let it be laid before me, and kept thick with perfumes of your orison: it shall become full of beetles as it were and creeping things sacred unto me.

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Now why would these grown men eat cakes of sperm, menstral blood and feces, why is beelzebub the lord of the flies, flies circling around shit...these men are immiatating demons, these shells feed on human waste, it is an energy pool for them, so by imitating demons they attract demons. Qliphoth means shell or husks. They swarm around decay and waste matter, shit, rotting blood, sperm, the darkest of dark magicks.
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The OTO/Crowley stuff is just watered down Tantric Buddhism.

The Tantric masters have been at it for millenia:

[link to www.trimondi.de]

Crowley is like a first-grader learning his A-B-Cs compared to what goes on in the higher levels of tnatric Buddhism. Read the above link, its an eye-opener.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130777


Readin it now. What I really want to know is why they are obsessed with dicks and vaginas.

Yeah...great...sex is nice, and yes you can create something from it, but seriously...

:dafuqcomp:
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where have you been humanity is still obsessed with dicks tits vaginas.
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For perfume mix meal & honey & thick leavings of red wine: then oil of Abramelin and olive oil, and afterward soften & smooth down with rich fresh blood.

The best blood is of the moon, monthly: then the fresh blood of a child, or dropping from the host of heaven: then of enemies; then of the priest or of the worshippers: last of some beast, no matter what.

This burn: of this make cakes & eat unto me. This hath also another use; let it be laid before me, and kept thick with perfumes of your orison: it shall become full of beetles as it were and creeping things sacred unto me.

- LIber AL



Now why would these grown men eat cakes of sperm, menstral blood and feces, why is beelzebub the lord of the flies, flies circling around shit...these men are immiatating demons, these shells feed on human waste, it is an energy pool for them, so by imitating demons they attract demons. Qliphoth means shell or husks. They swarm around decay and waste matter, shit, rotting blood, sperm, the darkest of dark magicks.
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because they are deranged.Did you really need to ask that?
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The OTO/Crowley stuff is just watered down Tantric Buddhism.

The Tantric masters have been at it for millenia:

[link to www.trimondi.de]

Crowley is like a first-grader learning his A-B-Cs compared to what goes on in the higher levels of tnatric Buddhism. Read the above link, its an eye-opener.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1130777


Readin it now. What I really want to know is why they are obsessed with dicks and vaginas.

Yeah...great...sex is nice, and yes you can create something from it, but seriously...

:dafuqcomp:
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where have you been humanity is still obsessed with dicks tits vaginas.
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The basic drive and best form of distraction, keep them horny and dumb.
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For perfume mix meal & honey & thick leavings of red wine: then oil of Abramelin and olive oil, and afterward soften & smooth down with rich fresh blood.

The best blood is of the moon, monthly: then the fresh blood of a child, or dropping from the host of heaven: then of enemies; then of the priest or of the worshippers: last of some beast, no matter what.

This burn: of this make cakes & eat unto me. This hath also another use; let it be laid before me, and kept thick with perfumes of your orison: it shall become full of beetles as it were and creeping things sacred unto me.

- LIber AL



Now why would these grown men eat cakes of sperm, menstral blood and feces, why is beelzebub the lord of the flies, flies circling around shit...these men are immiatating demons, these shells feed on human waste, it is an energy pool for them, so by imitating demons they attract demons. Qliphoth means shell or husks. They swarm around decay and waste matter, shit, rotting blood, sperm, the darkest of dark magicks.
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because they are deranged.Did you really need to ask that?
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Indeed, I was explaining the why behind the will. What is scary is with the advent of the Internet, thelema is really sky rocketing, and the salesman use the 'do what thy wilt, love is the law, every man and woman is a star' like new age slogans, selling points, and it works! The masses are so ignorant and hungry for meaning they don't even bother to delve any deeper to who and what Crowley represented. They believe this is some sort of sentimental love, far from it, as Ra Hoor Khut says, compassion is the vice of kings, destroy the weak. It's basically a reversion to animal instincts, a Darwinian religion similar to the gay Greek cults of old, throwing ugly babies into the 'abyss'
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The OTO/Crowley stuff is just watered down Tantric Buddhism.

The Tantric masters have been at it for millenia:

[link to www.trimondi.de]

Crowley is like a first-grader learning his A-B-Cs compared to what goes on in the higher levels of tnatric Buddhism. Read the above link, its an eye-opener.
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Readin it now. What I really want to know is why they are obsessed with dicks and vaginas.

Yeah...great...sex is nice, and yes you can create something from it, but seriously...

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where have you been humanity is still obsessed with dicks tits vaginas.
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The basic drive and best form of distraction, keep them horny and dumb.
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well our species needs a bit of horny so we procreate.nothing is wrong with sex and not all people have sex are dumb. i am glad my father and mother were horny.
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Re: The O.T.O, Crowley, & Gnostics
For perfume mix meal & honey & thick leavings of red wine: then oil of Abramelin and olive oil, and afterward soften & smooth down with rich fresh blood.

The best blood is of the moon, monthly: then the fresh blood of a child, or dropping from the host of heaven: then of enemies; then of the priest or of the worshippers: last of some beast, no matter what.

This burn: of this make cakes & eat unto me. This hath also another use; let it be laid before me, and kept thick with perfumes of your orison: it shall become full of beetles as it were and creeping things sacred unto me.

- LIber AL



Now why would these grown men eat cakes of sperm, menstral blood and feces, why is beelzebub the lord of the flies, flies circling around shit...these men are immiatating demons, these shells feed on human waste, it is an energy pool for them, so by imitating demons they attract demons. Qliphoth means shell or husks. They swarm around decay and waste matter, shit, rotting blood, sperm, the darkest of dark magicks.
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because they are deranged.Did you really need to ask that?
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Indeed, I was explaining the why behind the will. What is scary is with the advent of the Internet, thelema is really sky rocketing, and the salesman use the 'do what thy wilt, love is the law, every man and woman is a star' like new age slogans, selling points, and it works! The masses are so ignorant and hungry for meaning they don't even bother to delve any deeper to who and what Crowley represented. They believe this is some sort of sentimental love, far from it, as Ra Hoor Khut says, compassion is the vice of kings, destroy the weak. It's basically a reversion to animal instincts, a Darwinian religion similar to the gay Greek cults of old, throwing ugly babies into the 'abyss'
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I do not have a crystal ball but I can see about you from the way you express yourself. Why and the fuck should I care or read about crowely.What you believe you bring to life. Scary what is scary one day you as we all die.Live life..don't be a sheeple
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Crowley the false demon has nothing at all whatsoever to do with gnosticism, wisdom or spiritual enlightenment. He is nothing more than an evil, unclean manifestation of bad karma. A usurper.
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For perfume mix meal & honey & thick leavings of red wine: then oil of Abramelin and olive oil, and afterward soften & smooth down with rich fresh blood.

The best blood is of the moon, monthly: then the fresh blood of a child, or dropping from the host of heaven: then of enemies; then of the priest or of the worshippers: last of some beast, no matter what.

This burn: of this make cakes & eat unto me. This hath also another use; let it be laid before me, and kept thick with perfumes of your orison: it shall become full of beetles as it were and creeping things sacred unto me.

- LIber AL



Now why would these grown men eat cakes of sperm, menstral blood and feces, why is beelzebub the lord of the flies, flies circling around shit...these men are immiatating demons, these shells feed on human waste, it is an energy pool for them, so by imitating demons they attract demons. Qliphoth means shell or husks. They swarm around decay and waste matter, shit, rotting blood, sperm, the darkest of dark magicks.
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because they are deranged.Did you really need to ask that?
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Indeed, I was explaining the why behind the will. What is scary is with the advent of the Internet, thelema is really sky rocketing, and the salesman use the 'do what thy wilt, love is the law, every man and woman is a star' like new age slogans, selling points, and it works! The masses are so ignorant and hungry for meaning they don't even bother to delve any deeper to who and what Crowley represented. They believe this is some sort of sentimental love, far from it, as Ra Hoor Khut says, compassion is the vice of kings, destroy the weak. It's basically a reversion to animal instincts, a Darwinian religion similar to the gay Greek cults of old, throwing ugly babies into the 'abyss'
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I do not have a crystal ball but I can see about you from the way you express yourself. Why and the fuck should I care or read about crowely.What you believe you bring to life. Scary what is scary one day you as we all die.Live life..don't be a sheeple
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Everyone is really looking for enemies here it seems, did you even read what I wrote.
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Crowley the false demon has nothing at all whatsoever to do with gnosticism, wisdom or spiritual enlightenment. He is nothing more than an evil, unclean manifestation of bad karma. A usurper.
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...And then Jacques Vallee arrived.


I had wanted to talk to Doctor Vallee for several months now and I immediately kidnapped him into a room which the other party- goers were not informed about. On the way, we spotted Hymenaeus Alpha (Grady McMurty), Caliph of the Ordo Templi Orientis, and his wife, Phylis.

The Skeptic [i.e. Robert Anton Wilson] had heard Jacques Vallee talk at a conference on Science and Spirit, sponsored by the Theosophical Society, earlier in the year. He had taken a new approach to the UFO mystery and was systematically feeding all the reports of extraterrestrial contacts into a giant computer. The computer was programmed to look for various possible repeated patterns. Jacques said that the evidence emerging suggested to him that the UFOs weren't extraterrestrial at all, but that they seemed to be intelligent systems intent on convincing us they were extraterrestrial.

Now the Skeptic started pumping Jacques about his evidence that they weren't extraterrestrial. He started to explain that, analyzing the reports chronologically, it appeared that They (whoever or whatever they are) always strive to give the impression that they are something the society they are visiting can understand. In medieval sightings, he said, they called themselves angels; in the great 1902 flap in several states, one of the craft spoke to a West Virginia farmer and said they were an airship invented and flown from Kansas; in 1940s-1950s sightings, they often said they were from Venus; since Venus has been examined and seems incapable of supporting life, they now say they are from another star-system in this galaxy.

"Where do you think they come from?" I asked.

Doctor Vallee gave the Gallic form of the classic scientific Not- Speculating-Beyond-The-Data head-shake. "I can theorize, and theorize, endlessly," he said, "but is it not better to just study the data more deeply and look for clues?"

"You must have some personal hunch," I insisted.

He gave in gracefully. "They relate to space-time in ways for which we have, at present, no concepts," he said. "They cannot explain to us because we are not ready to understand."


I asked Grady McMurty if Aleister Crowley had ever said anything to him implying the extraterrestrial theory which Kenneth Grant, Outer Head of another Ordo Templi Orientis, implies in his accounts of Crowley's contacts with Higher Intelligences.

"Some of the things Aleister said to me," Grady replied carefully, "could be interpreted as hints pointing that way." He went on to quote Crowley's aphorisms about various of the standard entities contacted by Magick. The Abramelin spirits, for instance, need to be watched carefully. "They bite," Aleister explained in his best deadpan am-I-kidding-or-not? style. The Enochian "angels," on the other hand, don't always have to be summoned. "When you're ready, they come for you," Aleister said flatly.

(The Enochian entities were first contacted by Dr. John Dee in the early 17th Century. Dr. Dee, court astrologer to Queen Elizabeth and also an important mathematician, has been controversial from his own time to ours, some writers regarding him as a genius of the first rank and others as a clever lunatic. According to two interesting books, "The World Stage" and "The Rosicrucian Enlightenment," both by a most scrupulous historian, Dr. Francis Yates, Dee was almost certainly a prime mover in the "Illuminati" and "Rosicrucian Brotherhoods" of that time, which played a central role in the birth of modem science. The alleged UFOnaut from Uranus which communicated with the two Naval Intelligence officers gave a name, AFFA, which is a word in the "angelic" language used by the entities Dee contacted. It means Nothing. George Hunt Williamson also got some words in "angelic" from his Space Brothers, remember.)

"The outstanding quality of UFO contactees," Jacques Vallee said at this point, "was incoherence. I now have grave reservations about all physical details they supply," he said. "They are like people after an auto accident. All they know is that something very serious has happened to them." Only the fact that so many cases involve other witnesses, who see something in the sky before the "contactee" has his/her strange experience, justifies the assumption that what happens is more than "subjective."

"Largely," Doctor Vallee summarized, "they come out of it with a new perspective on humanity. A religious perspective, in general terms. But all the details are contradictory and confusing." He regarded green men, purple giant men, physical craft with windows in them, etc., as falling into the category psychologists call "substitute memory," always provided by the ingenious brain when the actual experience is too shocking to be classified.

I asked how many in the room had experienced the contact of what appeared to be Higher Intelligence. Grady and Phylis McMurty put up their hands, as did two young magicians from the Los Angeles area, and myself. Jacques Vallee, curiously, looked as if he might raise his hand, but then evidently changed his mind and did not. I said I inclined to believe the Higher Intelligences were extraterrestrial, and asked what the others thought.

Grady McMurty -- Caliph of the Ordo Templi Orientis -- said, in effect, that the theory of higher dimensions made more sense to him than the extraterrestrial theory in terms of actual space ships entering our biosphere.

The two Los Angeles magicians agreed.

Tom, who had been a witch for five years and hadn't raised his hand when asked for contactee testimony, said that the Higher Intelligences are imbedded in our language and numbers, as the Cabalists think, and have no other kind of existence. He added that every time he tried to explain this he saw that people thought he was going schizophrenic and he began to fear that they might be right, so he preferred not to talk about it at all. Tom-who is a computer programmer by profession, a witch only by religion-later added a bit to this, saying that all that exists is information and coding; we only imagine we have bodies and live in space-time dimensions.

Doctor Vallee listened to all this with a bland smile, and did not seem to regard any of us as mad.

(A few days later, in discussion with the former Vacaville prison psychologist, Dr. Wesley Hiler, I asked him what he really thought of Dr. Leary's extraterrestrial contacts. Specifically, since he didn't regard Leary as crazy or hallucinating, what was happening when Leary thought he was receiving extraterrestrial communications? "Every man and woman who reaches the higher levels of spiritual and intellectual development," Dr. Hiler said calmly, "feels the presence of a Higher Intelligence. Our theories are all unproven. Socrates called it his daemon. Others call it gods or angels. Leary calls it extraterrestrial. Maybe it's just another part of our brain, a part we usually don't use. Who knows?")

Since everybody in the room at this point had either had the required experience, or was willing to speculate about it and study it objectively rather than merely banishing it with the label "hallucination," I went into my rap about the parallels between Leary and Wilhelm Reich. "The attempt to destroy both Dr. Reich and Dr. Leary reached its most intense peak right after they reported their extraterrestrial contacts," I said. "I keep having very weird theories about what that means..."

Grady McMurty nodded vigorously. "That's the $64,000 question," he said emphatically. "For years I've been asking Phylis and everybody else I know: why does the gnosis always get busted? Every single time the energy is raised and large-scale group illuminations are occurring, the local branch of the Inquisition kills it dead. Why, why, why?"

Nobody had any very conclusive ideas.

"I'll tell you what I think," Grady said. "There's war in Heaven. The Higher Intelligences, whoever they are, aren't all playing on the same team. Some of them are trying to encourage our evolution to higher levels, and some of them want to keep us stuck just where we are."

According to Grady, some occult lodges are working with those nonhuman intelligences who want to accelerate human evolution, but some of the others are working with the intelligences who wish to keep us near an animal level of awareness.

This is a standard idea in occult circles and it can safely be stated, without exaggeration, that every "school" or "lodge of adepts that exists is regarded, by some of the others, as belonging to the Black Brotherhood of the evil path. Grady's own Ordo Templi Orientis, indeed, has been accused of this more often than have most other occult lodges. I have personally maintained my good cheer and staved off paranoia, while moving among various occult groups as student or participant, by always adhering rigidly to the standard Anglo-Saxon legal maxim that every accused person must be regarded as innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This obviously spares me a lot of worry, but the more guarded approach is very well argued by Isaac Bonewitz, the author of Real Magick. "Paranoid magicians outlive the others," Isaac says.

Somehow the conversation drifted away from Grady's concept of "war in Heaven." Several times, Grady tried to steer us back there, but each time we wandered on to a different subject. Tom said later that he felt a presence in the room deliberately pushing us away from that topic...
Dr. H. -- the psychiatrist whose bad acid-trip had started the Crowleymas party off so jumpily for me -- dropped by the next day, to thank me for "talking him down" from his anxiety attack.

He also, it soon appeared, wanted to tell me about his accelerating experiences with magick. It had started over two years earlier, after an intensive seminar at Esalen. Dr. H. suddenly found that he could see "auras." (The aura of the human body, known to shamans and witches since time immemorial, has been repeatedly rediscovered by scientists, most of whom were thereupon denounced as "cranks." Franz Anton Mesmer called it "animal magnetism," in the 16th century. In the 19th, Baron Reichenbach called it "OD." In the 1920s, Gurvich named it "the mytogenic ray." Wilhelm Reich rediscovered it in the 1930s, called it "orgone energy," and was destroyed by AMA bigots who charged that he was hallucinating it. Kirlian photography has now demonstrated beyond all doubt that this aura exists.) Dr. H. soon found, further, that he could use the aura as a diagnostic tool in analyzing new patients. This experience, Leary's books, and a lecture by me on Crowley's magick, led him to further experiments.

On a beach in Sonoma County, after taking LSD the day before and programming an opening of the self to higher beings or energies, Dr. H. (no longer under the direct influence of the drug) had an experience with Something from the sky. "It wasn't exactly a Higher Intelligence," he said carefully, "or, at least, I didn't receive that aspect of it, if it was Higher Intelligence. To me, it was just energy. Terrible energy. My chest was sore for hours afterward. I thought it would kill me, but I was absolutely ecstatic and egoless at the peak of it. If the chest-pain weren't so intense, it would have been a totally positive experience."

(MacGregor Mathers, Outer Head of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and the first occult teacher of such worthies as Aleister Crowley, poet William Butler Yeats and novelist Arthur Machen, once recorded a meeting with the Secret Chiefs. These ambiguous entities, known in several schools of occult training, are variously believed to be discarnate spirits of the great Magi of the past, living Magi who can teleport themselves about as easily as you or I telephone a friend, "angels" in the traditional sense, or merely "beings we cannot understand." In any case, Mathers noted that the meeting, although pleasant, left him feeling as if he'd been "struck by lightning" and he also suffered chest pains and extreme difficulty in breathing. Dr. Israel Regardie has also noted that Alan Bennett, who was Crowley's chief teacher for many years, developed asthma, a chest disease. Crowley developed asthma himself as his contacts with the Secret Chiefs occurred more often; and Regardie finally "caught" asthma for several years after studying with Crowley, a condition which was only cured when he went through the bioenergetic therapy of Wilhelm Reich.)





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