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Chrit
(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the question begs, will the UN fold on article 25 and do nothing and go the way of the League of Nations? Or will they attempt to enforce the charter and sanction the US for an aggressive action that is illegal with out approvial. I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
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Chrit
(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 12:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | UN may not survive by lack of enforcement of their own charter. Under the charter Russia will be able to legally defend their ally against the aggressor, which would be the US. I knew memorizing the entire UN charter would one day be useful, just did not imagine it would be useful against illegal US aggression. I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45889123 United Kingdom 08/30/2013 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the question begs, will the UN fold on article 25 and do nothing and go the way of the League of Nations? Quoting: Chrit Or will they attempt to enforce the charter and sanction the US for an aggressive action that is illegal with out approvial. Those where some of the intersting points brought up during the intervensions of the floor of the House of Commons, questioning if the UN is going the same way as the league of nations what with all the constant veteos undermining the power of the UN.. it was certainly some food for thought and verbalising what I beleive many people think about the UN. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 19676008 United States 08/30/2013 12:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | UN may not survive by lack of enforcement of their own charter. Under the charter Russia will be able to legally defend their ally against the aggressor, which would be the US. I knew memorizing the entire UN charter would one day be useful, just did not imagine it would be useful against illegal US aggression. I hope we do not do this, it would be a very foolish mistake! I think we will know by this afternoon what's going down! Market starting to go red, maybe they know something already we don't! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 44792902 United States 08/30/2013 01:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK correct me if I'm wrong... Aren't the ones being gassed the Muslim brotherhood and followers that back the radical Muslims and could be the radical Muslims So we want to kill them not not with gas? I'm confused.. |
Chrit
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(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK correct me if I'm wrong... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44792902 Aren't the ones being gassed the Muslim brotherhood and followers that back the radical Muslims and could be the radical Muslims So we want to kill them not not with gas? I'm confused.. If you’re the leader of Syria who is being attacked by an outside source ”the brotherhood” and you are clearly winning and you also know for a fact if you use chemical weapons that the UN will intervene why would you use chemical weapons? Now if you’re the brotherhood and losing a proxy revolution funded by outside sources, but you know if you gas your own people and blame the Syrian government that the UN will intervene and change the fate of the war you are currently loosing. Would you not have any choice but to use the chemical weapons to attempt to force outside intervention? I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
davvi
User ID: 3677166 United States 08/30/2013 02:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the question begs, will the UN fold on article 25 and do nothing and go the way of the League of Nations? Quoting: Chrit Or will they attempt to enforce the charter and sanction the US for an aggressive action that is illegal with out approvial. Hmm...such a dilemma for the Organization Against White people who do they support, the black guy or the muzz? |
davvi
User ID: 3677166 United States 08/30/2013 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK correct me if I'm wrong... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44792902 Aren't the ones being gassed the Muslim brotherhood and followers that back the radical Muslims and could be the radical Muslims So we want to kill them not not with gas? I'm confused.. If you’re the leader of Syria who is being attacked by an outside source ”the brotherhood” and you are clearly winning and you also know for a fact if you use chemical weapons that the UN will intervene why would you use chemical weapons? Now if you’re the brotherhood and losing a proxy revolution funded by outside sources, but you know if you gas your own people and blame the Syrian government that the UN will intervene and change the fate of the war you are currently loosing. Would you not have any choice but to use the chemical weapons to attempt to force outside intervention? ***THIS*** |
Chrit
(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK correct me if I'm wrong... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44792902 Aren't the ones being gassed the Muslim brotherhood and followers that back the radical Muslims and could be the radical Muslims So we want to kill them not not with gas? I'm confused.. If you’re the leader of Syria who is being attacked by an outside source ”the brotherhood” and you are clearly winning and you also know for a fact if you use chemical weapons that the UN will intervene why would you use chemical weapons? Now if you’re the brotherhood and losing a proxy revolution funded by outside sources, but you know if you gas your own people and blame the Syrian government that the UN will intervene and change the fate of the war you are currently loosing. Would you not have any choice but to use the chemical weapons to attempt to force outside intervention? December 12, 2012 Snip; The rebels have seized chemical weapons, and they are willing to use them on innocent people. According to Russia Today, Syrian rebels have obtained chemical weapons from Libya and are planning on using them on civilians, and then blaming it on Assad. This is an effort between the Syrian rebels and their allies in Turkey, alongside cooperation with Libyan rebels under Abdel Hakim bel Haj. [link to frontpagemag.com] I did a very detailed analyses on it very early about the real damage removing a government form Libya did before the main stream even picked it up. from 11/28/2012 Thread: WH: Obama 'Is Not Particularly Concerned' Whether Susan Rice Misled the American People (Page 5) I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45985576 United Kingdom 08/30/2013 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The United Nations has become inept. It is now seen as an obstacle to war as opposed to an instrument for peace. No one goes to the UN to resolve a dispute peacefully, they only go there to try an action a war, thats if they can be bothered to go through the motions. The UN is now just another corrupt institution that means nothing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 45914676 United Kingdom 08/30/2013 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The League Of Nations was inept. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45985576 The United Nations has become inept. It is now seen as an obstacle to war as opposed to an instrument for peace. No one goes to the UN to resolve a dispute peacefully, they only go there to try an action a war, thats if they can be bothered to go through the motions. The UN is now just another corrupt institution that means nothing. exactly where we were just prior to ww2 not good |
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Chrit
(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “Us rushing head long in to a war unilaterally, if at that point it has happened then at that point what the debate is really going to be about is what is our long term commitment there. How much is it going to cost? What does it mean for us to rebuild Iraq? How do we stabilize and make sure this country does not splinter in to factions….” -- Said by the big O on 11/25/2002 about the unilateral decision to invade Iraq. Now today were going it alone? Snip; Although Kerry did not commit to a specific plan for a U.S. attack on Syria, he laid out extensive justification for a military strike, saying that the United States commitment to decency and the rule of law demands action. He vowed that any military action would not involve "boots on the ground," would not be open-ended, and would not mean assuming responsibility for a years-long civil war in Syria that is already long underway. [link to news.msn.com] Last Edited by Chrit on 08/30/2013 03:16 PM I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
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(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | busy today... Thx for all the wonderful well thought out responses you have had... my guess this is another failed attempt of another glplike deranged retard. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46026151 I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
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User ID: 1461638 United States 08/30/2013 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I couldn't care less about what the UN thinks. I do care what our own constitution says about an unprovoked military act of war from the United States against another nation that we are not currently at war with or responding in defense to. That requires congressional approval. Obama doesn't have that right now, so it would be an illegal act according to U.S. law. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Chrit
(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 03:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I couldn't care less about what the UN thinks. I do care what our own constitution says about an unprovoked military act of war from the United States against another nation that we are not currently at war with or responding in defense to. That requires congressional approval. Obama doesn't have that right now, so it would be an illegal act according to U.S. law. Quoting: Resister You got it I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
Chrit
(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Snip; It was not certain the U.S. would have to act alone. France announced that its armed forces "have been put in position to respond" if President Francois Hollande commits forces to intervention against Syria. Hollande does not need French parliamentary approval to launch military action that lasts less than four months. Assad, who has denied using chemical weapons, vowed his country "will defend itself against any aggression." Some of the U.N. chemical weapons experts will travel directly from Syria on Saturday to different laboratories around Europe to deliver "an extensive amount of material" gathered, U.N. spokesman Farhan Haq said. While the mandate of the U.N. team is to determine whether chemical agents were used in the attack, not who was responsible, Haq suggested the evidence — which includes biological samples and witness interviews — might give an indication of who deployed gases. Obama and other top officials have not revealed definitive evidence to back claims that Assad used chemical weapons on Syrians. U.S. officials say the intelligence assessments are no "slam dunk," with questions remaining about who actually controls some of Syria's chemical weapons stores and doubts about whether Assad himself ordered the strike. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the intelligence publicly. Despite shortcomings in the intelligence, the White House signaled urgency in acting, with Earnest, the White House spokesman, saying the president believes there is a "compressed time frame" for responding. Now the line that gets me "It is important for the Assad regime and other totalitarian dictators around the world to understand that the international community will not tolerate the indiscriminate, widespread use of chemical weapons, particularly against women and children as they're sleeping in their beds," he said [link to news.msn.com] international community??? ehh I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
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Chrit
(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just went up 15 min ago. As Syria strikes loom, Samatha Power's skills better suited to classroom than UN Read more: [link to www.foxnews.com] Snip; While we all want the U.N. to live up to its original intent and be the place where the world comes together to solve international problems, the reality is the U.N. isn’t all that different from any other political body. Countries and individuals play to the cameras, create good theatre and negotiate selfishly. Ambassador Power has very little experience in multilateral diplomacy or political positioning. She has even less practice in negotiating on behalf of the United States. Her writings and previous work point to a long history of making highly intellectual arguments about what the world should look like. She is better suited to convincing Harvard graduate students to write more about international problems. Her lack of experience sitting across the table from an experienced Russian diplomat could prove disastrous for the United States. [link to www.foxnews.com] Too many members of the U.N. benefit from the status quo and won’t make decisions for purely altruistic reasons. Ambassador Power doesn’t understand this reality. I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 46005043 Germany 08/30/2013 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Snip; It was not certain the U.S. would have to act alone. France announced that its armed forces "have been put in position to respond" if President Francois Hollande commits forces to intervention against Syria. Hollande does not need French parliamentary approval to launch military action that lasts less than four months. Quoting: Chrit Assad, who has denied using chemical weapons, vowed his country "will defend itself against any aggression." Some of the U.N. chemical weapons experts will travel directly from Syria on Saturday to different laboratories around Europe to deliver "an extensive amount of material" gathered, U.N. spokesman Farhan Haq said. While the mandate of the U.N. team is to determine whether chemical agents were used in the attack, not who was responsible, Haq suggested the evidence — which includes biological samples and witness interviews — might give an indication of who deployed gases. Obama and other top officials have not revealed definitive evidence to back claims that Assad used chemical weapons on Syrians. U.S. officials say the intelligence assessments are no "slam dunk," with questions remaining about who actually controls some of Syria's chemical weapons stores and doubts about whether Assad himself ordered the strike. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the intelligence publicly. Despite shortcomings in the intelligence, the White House signaled urgency in acting, with Earnest, the White House spokesman, saying the president believes there is a "compressed time frame" for responding. Now the line that gets me "It is important for the Assad regime and other totalitarian dictators around the world to understand that the international community will not tolerate the indiscriminate, widespread use of chemical weapons, particularly against women and children as they're sleeping in their beds," he said [link to news.msn.com] international community??? ehh Have you seen George Galloway's powerful speech in the House of Commons yesterday? The sound is not very good, I had to use my speakers. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] 'When have 2.5 billion people been excluded from what you call 'International community'? Who are you... |
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(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Have you seen George Galloway's powerful speech in the House of Commons yesterday? The sound is not very good, I had to use my speakers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46005043 'When have 2.5 billion people been excluded from what you call 'International community'? Who are you... I was looking for that, thank you! Last Edited by Chrit on 08/30/2013 06:02 PM I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |
Chrit
(OP) User ID: 27088294 United States 08/30/2013 06:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chilling, but good thread Chrit. Thanks for posting it. Quoting: Nine's Guess I might run out and get a few more gallons of olive oil and some Crisco. Maybe some spare leathers for a hand pump. Just in case. I hear ya I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw. We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three. |