The Roman Catholic Church is not Christianity.

Jesus Christ needs nothing of Rome.

So totally correct. The belief system took two routes; the true Church that stayed true to the Bible and the false one that looked Christian but came from paganism (the whore Roman Catholic church). The Waldensians preserved Bible truth and were persecuted and martyred for it. The true Church will always be persecuted by the false church; the church that doesn’t have God in it must use its own force and that of the government. The Waldensians lived in caves and were hunted and thrown off cliffs to their deaths, but they did not waiver in their faith and diligently taught the truth to their children.

In 1655 John Milton wrote the following poem about the Waldensians:

On the Late Massacre in Piedmont

Avenge, O Lord, thy slaughtered saints, whose bones
Lie scattered on the Alpine mountains cold,
Even them who kept thy truth so pure of old,
When all our fathers worshiped stocks and stones;
Forget not: in thy book record their groans
Who were thy sheep and in their ancient fold
Slain by the bloody Piedmontese that rolled
Mother with infant down the rocks. Their moans
The vales redoubled to the hills, and they
To Heaven. Their martyred blood and ashes sow
O'er all th' Italian fields where still doth sway
The triple tyrant; that from these may grow
A hundredfold, who having learnt thy way
Early may fly the Babylonian woe.

Historical reality check:

So there was no Christian Church before Martin Luther? What Church was he a member of before he started his own?

Historical reality check:

So there was no Christian Church before Martin Luther? What Church was he a member of before he started his own?

Christianity is not christianity either.

Thread: But..GOD PLANNED hell..HE WANTS to torture most of your forever.

No the devil wants to torture you. Christ just wants you to remember that he is God. After all he did go through a shit load of torture for you.

The Roman Catholic church didn't exist until 1054 when it split from the Eastern Orthodox Church. The bishop of Rome refused to be under the authority of the bishops of the church and they were kicked out. This is known as the Great Schism.

Life is in a fallen state 'experiment', where the experimenter (GOD) already KNEW the result - something like >90% will fail that experiment and will get tortured in everlasting agony for the amusement of the remaining <10%.

Whoever remembers that they actually volunteered to take part in this deadly 'experiment', can raise their hands!

Even more so, the Experimenter(God) initially created Angels, KNOWING that 1/3 of them will rebel, and put Solar system to waste during their rebelion (just look at Mars, and satellites of some planets).

He couldn't just simply exterminate the Fallen Angels on spot, no, he had to create some several hundred billions of humans as CANNON FODDER in his war vs the Fallen Angels to prove some infi-dimensional POINT in this unique "court case". That he can pretty much afford to create billions upon billions of souls just to torture them forever as spoils of war none of them wanted to be any part of. But after all, the Fallen Angels got taught a lesson! So any other creatures of the Universe(s) better not even dare to rebel, or ELSE some other trillion of souls will be created explicitly for eternal suffering!

Jesus Christ was executed in Rome

The Roman Catholic church didn't exist until 1054 when it split from the Eastern Orthodox Church. The bishop of Rome refused to be under the authority of the bishops of the church and they were kicked out. This is known as the Great Schism.

Historical reality check:

So there was no Christian Church before Martin Luther? What Church was he a member of before he started his own?

Historical reality check, there WAS a real Christian church before Rome and Constantine decided to hijack it because it had become to popular !

Correction. There was no eastern orthodox churhc before 1054.
There is no salvation outside the Roman catholic church as she is one, holy, apostolic and catholic

one as her Head is One. As she still has the same faith as 2000 years ago without interruption.

Holy as her Head is Holiness Himself

Apostolic as her traditions and teachings come directly from the apostles. As the priesthood through the succession of the bishops come directly from the apostles without interruption. It is one straight line from the apostles to today.

Catholic as her teachings are for everyone, at any place and at any time.

Jesus Christ needs nothing of Rome.

Go save someone at a christard site.

Go save someone at a christard site.

Yep. Excellent history of the real church is in the book The Reformers and their Stepchildren, which I summarized and commented on here: [link to books.fether.net]

"The church" = the "ekklesia" = "the called-out ones" or those called out of this world into faith in Jesus Christ.

There were believers in Jesus Christ since Jesus Christ. Rome had nothing to do with it or them.

Correction. There was no eastern orthodox churhc before 1054.
There is no salvation outside the Roman catholic church as she is one, holy, apostolic and catholic

one as her Head is One. As she still has the same faith as 2000 years ago without interruption.

Holy as her Head is Holiness Himself

Apostolic as her traditions and teachings come directly from the apostles. As the priesthood through the succession of the bishops come directly from the apostles without interruption. It is one straight line from the apostles to today.

Catholic as her teachings are for everyone, at any place and at any time.